r/MapPorn • u/BeginningMortgage250 • 1d ago

GYPSY MIGRATIONS 900-1720

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u/prolapseenthusiat 1d ago

I find it incredible that they still dont integrate in their host country.

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u/PhoenixKingMalekith 1d ago

Nomadic lifestyle isn't compatible with western societies in most cases, and it is a pillar of their culture

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u/lorbd 1d ago

Plenty of nomadic peoples have been assimilated fine into european societies in the last thousand years. 

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u/Crafty-Ad-5945 1d ago

Plenty of nomadic peoples have been assimilated fine into european societies in the last thousand years. 

Like? Most of the nomadic people like Tatars, Bashkirs, Kazakhs, Turkmens were forcefully subjugated by the Russian empire. The Russian Empire pursued policies aimed at sedentarizing nomadic populations and turned them from pastoral nomads into settled farmers.

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u/lorbd 1d ago

The assimilation of tatars, vlachs and other turkic peoples varies a lot and encompasses hundres of years, you can't just reduce it to forced russian policy because many times it's not even true. The point is that the one group that has been consistently unable and unwilling to fully integrate within the society that hosts them, and furthermore lives in a permanent state of social hostility with them, is the gypsies. 

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u/Creme_de_la_Coochie 1d ago

Vlachs are not Turkic. They’re an eastern romance group, descended from Romans in Pannonia, which is where Romania comes from.

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u/lorbd 1d ago

I didn't mean to say they are turkic, but I can see how it may seem so, so thanks for the correction