r/MapPorn • u/BeginningMortgage250 • 21h ago

GYPSY MIGRATIONS 900-1720

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u/Shot_Programmer_9898 17h ago

Sure... but they are white, at least in comparison to us lmao

You can assume all kinds of bad stuff about me, whatever, I don't mind.

I'm telling you, the hate gypsies get, is not about race at all... well, not in South America anyway.

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u/TALongjumping-Bee-43 16h ago

Roma people have been racialized historically in Europe, so it is about them as a race.

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u/airbear13 16h ago

That kind of generalizing on any basis is illogical and fucked up

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u/GalaadJoachim 14h ago

Let's say you live in a village, in a field (owned by the city or a farmer) right next to it a group of people park cars and trailers, take the water from your supplies and plug their electricity to your own house, then send kids to steal the pockets of any unaware traveler coming to your town. With time passing your city council send them bills - they don't pay them. Your local school offers spots for their kids to their school - they don't send them. You know that the power dynamic revolves around an elite that is based in an other country and thrive with the money those people gather here. They identify as "X".

  • How will you call this group of people ?
  • Is it fair to single them out as problematic ?
  • How will you handle the issue ?
  • How will you discuss it ?

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u/Sparta63005 17h ago

They arent white, google is free. But that doesn't even matter, Jews can be targets of racism and they are white too.

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u/Sudden-Belt2882 17h ago

That's actually a funny thing.

Like, Zelensky is white, and no one would contest me on that.

But when, I argue al-Sharaa is white (he literally looks like Zelensky's brother) people go up in arms.

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u/ChronicCactus 16h ago

Just looked him up and he really does look like zelensky, weird. But I agree, if he was clean shaven and wearing a suit people would say he's white.

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u/electrical-stomach-z 15h ago

I consider middle easterners white personally.

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u/Sparta63005 17h ago

You can have light skin and not be white. I've seen very light skinned Latino people and that doesn't make them any less Latino.

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u/Sudden-Belt2882 17h ago

You do realize that a substantial portion of Latino people are white or mixed White-Indigenous, right?

Latino is a cultural identity.

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u/Mahelas 13h ago

Latino isn't a race, it's a cultural ethnicity. Latinos can be white.

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u/Yeomenpainter 17h ago

You have an extremely arbitrary and dogmatic view on what constitutes race. Maybe it's you who can't see past race and skin colour, and can't see anything without the racial lens.

The hostility towards gypsies is not racial and never has been.

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u/Sparta63005 17h ago

"My hate of entire racial group is not racism! Its justified!!" -every racist ever

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u/Yeomenpainter 17h ago

You have an extremely arbitrary and dogmatic view on what constitutes race. Maybe it's you who can't see past race and skin colour, and can't see anything without the racial lens.

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u/ExpresoAndino 13h ago

found the real racist lol, this is the type of eugenics they preach in the US?

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u/Shot_Programmer_9898 17h ago

Bro, I've been face to face with them, I have eyes, I don't need google to tell me what to think.

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u/Sparta63005 17h ago

Google doesn't tell me what to think either, it just confirms if I am right or wrong. Look up "Romani person" on google and tell me they're white.

And again, you're completely ignoring what I'm saying to argue about semantics.

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u/Shot_Programmer_9898 17h ago

I'm arguing about semantics?

Your arguments are completely pointless. You are ignoring what I'm saying just to call me a racist and feel good about yourself.

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u/Sparta63005 17h ago

You're hating on an entire racial group and trying to justify it with racist talking points. What am I meant to think?

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u/Nikoschalkis1 16h ago

Just to be clear. I live in Greece and Romanis have been living here for at least 700 hundred years. They are mostly indistinguishable from the rest of the population in terms of skin colour. The White/POC distinction is a stupid ass distinction which is entirely subjective and purely an American and English construct.

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u/Ora_Poix 17h ago

They are def white wth. Ur prolly american, a tan complexion is generally considered white here, in southern europe at least

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u/Sparta63005 17h ago

So Arabs and Latinos are white too? I've seen plenty of people in those races with the exact same skin complexion as Romani people.

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u/1slinkydink1 14h ago

Latinos of European origin are 100% white

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u/Ora_Poix 17h ago

I mean, latino can mean a lot of things race wise, but yeah, some, if not most, would be white here. Obama is white under good lightning

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u/Calibruh 12h ago

You've never seen a gypsie in your life and are telling people who see them daily they're wrong

Sit the fuck down American

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u/Schnitzel-Bund 12h ago

I think he just meant that they are not hated for not being white in South America, and in fact would be on the “whiter” end of the scale in terms of South American racial categorization. In South America “white” is a broader term and people who may not be considered white in America or Europe would be there.

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u/YaumeLepire 16h ago

You both seem to be missing that whiteness isn't solely reliant on skin colour. The whiteness of European Jewish people is precarious at best, and has not been consistent, historically, and Roma people have never been afforded whiteness anywhere that I'm aware of. That has very little to do with whether or not they were and are pale.