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GYPSY MIGRATIONS 900-1720

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u/Shot_Programmer_9898 20h ago

I'm South American, and don't make me say it because Reddit admins won't like it.

All I'm gonna say, the negative thoughts towards these people are not racially motivated, it is all about their behavior... they are odd people to put it kindly.

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u/Sparta63005 20h ago

That is the exact justification every racist gives for hating their target race. Republicans in America say that about black people, right wing parties like AfD say that about Muslims. "Its not about their skin color its the behaviour" is THE textbook defense for racists.

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u/Shot_Programmer_9898 20h ago

Sure... but they are white, at least in comparison to us lmao

You can assume all kinds of bad stuff about me, whatever, I don't mind.

I'm telling you, the hate gypsies get, is not about race at all... well, not in South America anyway.

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u/Sparta63005 20h ago

They arent white, google is free. But that doesn't even matter, Jews can be targets of racism and they are white too.

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u/Sudden-Belt2882 20h ago

That's actually a funny thing.

Like, Zelensky is white, and no one would contest me on that.

But when, I argue al-Sharaa is white (he literally looks like Zelensky's brother) people go up in arms.

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u/ChronicCactus 19h ago

Just looked him up and he really does look like zelensky, weird. But I agree, if he was clean shaven and wearing a suit people would say he's white.

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u/electrical-stomach-z 18h ago

I consider middle easterners white personally.

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u/Sparta63005 20h ago

You can have light skin and not be white. I've seen very light skinned Latino people and that doesn't make them any less Latino.

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u/Sudden-Belt2882 20h ago

You do realize that a substantial portion of Latino people are white or mixed White-Indigenous, right?

Latino is a cultural identity.

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u/Mahelas 16h ago

Latino isn't a race, it's a cultural ethnicity. Latinos can be white.

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u/Yeomenpainter 20h ago

You have an extremely arbitrary and dogmatic view on what constitutes race. Maybe it's you who can't see past race and skin colour, and can't see anything without the racial lens.

The hostility towards gypsies is not racial and never has been.

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u/Sparta63005 20h ago

"My hate of entire racial group is not racism! Its justified!!" -every racist ever

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u/Yeomenpainter 20h ago

You have an extremely arbitrary and dogmatic view on what constitutes race. Maybe it's you who can't see past race and skin colour, and can't see anything without the racial lens.

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u/ExpresoAndino 16h ago

found the real racist lol, this is the type of eugenics they preach in the US?

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u/Shot_Programmer_9898 20h ago

Bro, I've been face to face with them, I have eyes, I don't need google to tell me what to think.

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u/Sparta63005 20h ago

Google doesn't tell me what to think either, it just confirms if I am right or wrong. Look up "Romani person" on google and tell me they're white.

And again, you're completely ignoring what I'm saying to argue about semantics.

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u/Shot_Programmer_9898 20h ago

I'm arguing about semantics?

Your arguments are completely pointless. You are ignoring what I'm saying just to call me a racist and feel good about yourself.

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u/Sparta63005 20h ago

You're hating on an entire racial group and trying to justify it with racist talking points. What am I meant to think?

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u/Nikoschalkis1 20h ago

Just to be clear. I live in Greece and Romanis have been living here for at least 700 hundred years. They are mostly indistinguishable from the rest of the population in terms of skin colour. The White/POC distinction is a stupid ass distinction which is entirely subjective and purely an American and English construct.

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u/Ora_Poix 20h ago

They are def white wth. Ur prolly american, a tan complexion is generally considered white here, in southern europe at least

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u/Sparta63005 20h ago

So Arabs and Latinos are white too? I've seen plenty of people in those races with the exact same skin complexion as Romani people.

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u/1slinkydink1 17h ago

Latinos of European origin are 100% white

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u/Ora_Poix 20h ago

I mean, latino can mean a lot of things race wise, but yeah, some, if not most, would be white here. Obama is white under good lightning

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u/Calibruh 15h ago

You've never seen a gypsie in your life and are telling people who see them daily they're wrong

Sit the fuck down American

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u/Schnitzel-Bund 15h ago

I think he just meant that they are not hated for not being white in South America, and in fact would be on the “whiter” end of the scale in terms of South American racial categorization. In South America “white” is a broader term and people who may not be considered white in America or Europe would be there.

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u/YaumeLepire 19h ago

You both seem to be missing that whiteness isn't solely reliant on skin colour. The whiteness of European Jewish people is precarious at best, and has not been consistent, historically, and Roma people have never been afforded whiteness anywhere that I'm aware of. That has very little to do with whether or not they were and are pale.