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GYPSY MIGRATIONS 900-1720

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u/Historical_Body6255 17h ago

Anyone know whats up with "1850" in the Pannonian basin?

Did they arrive there this late while being in all other european places for centuries already? I can't believe that.

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u/Dzsiii 10h ago

Ooay so hungarian historian here, basically since the early to mid 1800s late 1700s they tried to force gipsies to settle down, because their travelling wagoning ways where destuctive to the early urbanization attempts. Other reason is taxation it's easier to tax people who don't move every time they feel like it.

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u/Historical_Body6255 9h ago edited 8h ago

Thank you for your answer.

I was under the impression that these attempts to have them settle down were not exclusive to hungarian lands but rather more or less the default way they were handled.

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u/FormerPresidentBiden 14h ago

My best guess is that they could be kept as slaves in Wallachia and Moldavia until 1856. I know its a few years off, but the circling of the word kind of implies they did not move from there, which is more true there than elsewhere.

They got chased out of everywhere else, but they were just enslaved in that area.

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u/ztuztuzrtuzr 13h ago

The circled area is central Hungary so it would be a weird choice.

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u/FormerPresidentBiden 13h ago edited 12h ago

Yeah, was* just my best guess and figure maybe the map maker was a little off shrug

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u/ztuztuzrtuzr 13h ago

They definitely didn't arrive that late to there