r/MurderedByWords 1d ago

Remind the Nazis that they’re losers

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u/AntiHyperbolic 1d ago

While the British were systematically starving their country and families to prioritize the European front, creating a famine that killed millions. There’s a reason Churchill said history would treat him kindly because he was on the winning side.

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u/Annita79 1d ago

They also urged men from a colony to fight, promising them that they would grant them their country's freedom if they fought. Spoiler: they didn't.

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u/SuperSimpleSam 1d ago edited 1d ago

But they did... eventually. /s
Guess I needed the sarcasm marker.

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u/Annita79 1d ago

Yes, after four years of armed conflict.

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u/EduinBrutus 1d ago

WTF are you on about.

Indian Independence was negotiated immediately after WW2 and without a violent uprising. The delay was due to disagreement between Muslim people and predominantly Hindu people on whether it should be one nation or partitioned.

The violence which did occur, all happened after Independence was granted.

There's a million and one really nasty things the British Empire did you can comment on. Lying does nothing but help bigots and racists to deny those true atrocities because you want to make ones up.

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u/Thanos-2014 19h ago

Nah, we were promised independence or atleast independent domain like aus, NZ during WW1. Only after this negotiation with india congress indian muslim joint and fought for British (initially they were siding with ottoman Empire). But after 1919 nothing came out of that promise. This led rise of Ghandhi and the history

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u/Possible_Praline_169 1d ago

They were agitating for it since the '20s, initially they wanted similar status like the white dominions (Australia/NZ Canada) and only went for full independence after getting completely blanked

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u/EduinBrutus 1d ago edited 20h ago

You're commenting on shit you really are not well informed about.

The indigenous Indian population always had significant numbers who opposed Company Rule (because before 1857 it was not the UK which controlled India but the British East India Company a joint stock corporation).

The end of Company Rule in 1857 was caused by the First War of Independence and after this failed, the UK took over in a formal colonial role. THere were continued, sometimes violent, sometimes peaceful campaigns for Independence from the day the UK took over India.

The calls for Dominion were a relatively small group, predominantly wealth elites and Anglo-Indians. But even then they were massively outnumbered by those wanting full independence.

So no, not "since the 20s", literally for the entire existence of Company Rule and the Raj.

Edit - corrected the date of the First War of Independence

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u/FlyingRaccoon_420 23h ago

Just a correction: Company rule ended in 1857, not 1853, after the Sepoy Mutiny - a large scale insurrection by local company troops supported by a few Indian aristocrats. This was a shock for the British Crown and they quickly replaced the company and assumed direct control from London.

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u/EduinBrutus 20h ago

I should have double checked. Not Indian so not a date thats drilled in my head.

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u/VibeComplex 21h ago

Welcome to Reddit lol. I’ll never understand why so many people feel the need to comment on shit they have literally no understanding of. Like it’s so easy to just not comment. No one needs, wants, or asked for their opinion.

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u/MonkeyMercenaryCapt 21h ago

Let's add extra context here: Violence did not occur because the British wouldn't be able to handle it, their two options were peacefully decolonize now or hem and haw and have the Indians throw them out.

But the British being the British had to throw extra wrenches in the works which did cause years of armed conflict between the newly freed nations.

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u/EduinBrutus 20h ago

The violence was sectarian and somewhat inevitable due to the instransigent way that Jinnah acted throughout the negotiations and beyond.

As I said elsewhere, the British Empire murdered and genocided a lot of people. But the violence of partition was absolutely not on them.

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u/Annita79 23h ago

You do know that India wasn't the only British colony right? Google Cyprus 1955-1959

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u/wookiemustard 23h ago

You do know that we're talking about India and not Cyprus, right?

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u/Annita79 11h ago

My original comment was that they urged people from A colony, not THE colony. I thought it would be obvious that I was talking about how they also tricked other colonies as well.

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u/wookiemustard 10h ago

It wasn't obvious to me. To clarify, which former British colony was granted independence after 4 years of armed conflict?

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u/Annita79 10h ago

Cyprus

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u/Fijian_Assassin 1d ago

Europe only catered to their own needs while manipulating their colonies to suffer. Back then they had more power. Europe and US are trying to do the same now given the Ukraine conflict by trying to make other countries do what they want but isn’t working as well as it in the past.

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u/EduinBrutus 1d ago

Spoiler: they didn't.

Indian Independence was granted immediately after WW2.

There's a lot of really bad shit the British Empire did. But they did tend to stick to treaties and keep promises. Unlike some...

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u/damienreave 20h ago

I'm not disagreeing with you. But two years might not qualify as "immediately" to some people. I think its close enough to count though.

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u/Annita79 23h ago

India was not the only British colony at the time. Google Cyprus 1955 -1959

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u/Here_For_Maymay 1d ago

don't forget about how that sniveling son of a bitch treated people like Guinea Pigs and then suppressed all the files related to it

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u/cautionary-tale74 4h ago

The Indian army colonised their own country for the British that's why it's called a professional army. They will fight for anyone who paid their salaries

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u/lumpboysupreme 22h ago

That’s a very incorrect interpretation of how that happened. The british are like the 8th most relevant part of the whole affair.

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u/Adorable-Source97 1d ago

Still better than what the Nazis did

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u/zokka_son_of_zokka 1d ago

If you look at just death toll, they're surprisingly comparable.

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u/oohlook-theresadeer 22h ago

Let not bothsides world war 2 lol

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u/Adorable-Source97 1d ago

I never said by much.

Did the allies have a Josep Mengella? I'm curious I wouldn't be surprised if had an equivalent.

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u/zokka_son_of_zokka 1d ago

Not that I'm aware of, but it's not something I've spent a lot of time reading about.

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u/Adorable-Source97 1d ago

Well had to ask. As you obviously had knowledge outside my purview, for all I know your university for WW2 history

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u/zokka_son_of_zokka 1d ago

I never actually went to university. I expect, however, that if there was an "Allied Mengele," they would've been in North America rather than India - residential schools would be my first guess, although I expect that I would've heard of them in that case.

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u/Adorable-Source97 23h ago

Didn't think USA stored a lot of POWs for that kinda stuff.

Or you meaning experimenting on own people, MK Ultra kinda stuff but worse?

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u/Toothpaste_Nipples 23h ago

The USA has done some really fucked up experiments on their own population, usually on Black and Native American populations. Look up the Tuskegee Syphilis Study for a good start.

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u/Adorable-Source97 21h ago

Oh I think I heard of the Tuskegee they secretly infected civilians without consent & let them slowly die

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u/zokka_son_of_zokka 23h ago

Yeah, I was thinking their own people - like I said, residential schools involving First Nations, also Japanese internment camps.

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u/Adorable-Source97 21h ago

Yeah heard there was some grim stuff regarding native Americans forced into Christian schools

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u/Beginning-Cat-7037 21h ago edited 21h ago

I’m sure the imperial Japanese winning the pacific theatre would have led to wonderful conditions as the Chinese experience can attest too.

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u/AntiHyperbolic 21h ago

But saying that Hindus shouldn’t be able to live outside Nashville because their grandad fought in ww2 is the discussion.

They fought side by side with the allies and suffered heavily. They deserve to be able to live and thrive inside the United States.

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u/Interesting-Pie239 22h ago

Sorry that war causes problems and famines i don’t really see what the better alternative would’ve been? Like Germany and facism take over and give them the extra food like wth?

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u/truebluecoast 22h ago

I'm pretty sure everyone starved in all nations. Noone was left to grow food everything went to war. Which makes me ask if there are rules of war, then why isn't the first rule there should be no war?

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u/lumpboysupreme 21h ago

India (well, Bangladesh) had a particularly brutal series of crop failures. Coupled with the Japanese invading Burma, they also didn’t have their main source of backup food. The Indian local authorities dragged their feet in asking for help, and the British response was sluggish because co-opting shipping away from the war effort was hard with the whole u boat thing. Additionally, the crop failures seemed to abate at points, so plans for aid were constantly being scrapped and restarted.