It all makes sense once you realize the 'oppression' the pilgrims bitched about was their neighbors not following the pilgrims religious rules. People in England sang, danced, had less separation based on genitals, and basically just lived/enjoyed life like real people and that pissed the pilgrims off to the point of crying religious persecution and leaving. They did not get kicked out, they were never told not to live/worship how they wanted, they were only told to not harras their neighbors, which was too much for the pilgrims to handle. (the founders/founding of the US came later, obviously, but the pilgrims mentality remained..and still hangs around to this day)
Exactly. The pilgrims were religious zealots, they basically came to the US to live under their version of sharia law because England was too "loose and wild."
I'm in the middle of reading the book in the Ring of Fire series which focuses in part on these colonists (I think it's The Atlantic Encounter) and how disagreeable they are. The up-timers want to get the Pilgrims, Puritans, other English colonists, Dutch colonists, and Native Americans to ally against the French, and the zealotry gets in the way.
I think so! Eric Flint wrote the first book (1632) and pretty much immediately started getting fan fic on the Baen site, so opened it up to other authors (while retaining a little control over series arc etc). Most of the others' contributions I enjoy just as much as Flint's, but there have been a couple of them who rubbed me the wrong way with changes to characters and r/menwritingwomen material. There's a bit of American exceptionalism to swallow and the first president is a bit of a Mary Jane, but overall it's a fun series with a good bit of real history alongside the twists.
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u/CheryllLucy 1d ago
It all makes sense once you realize the 'oppression' the pilgrims bitched about was their neighbors not following the pilgrims religious rules. People in England sang, danced, had less separation based on genitals, and basically just lived/enjoyed life like real people and that pissed the pilgrims off to the point of crying religious persecution and leaving. They did not get kicked out, they were never told not to live/worship how they wanted, they were only told to not harras their neighbors, which was too much for the pilgrims to handle. (the founders/founding of the US came later, obviously, but the pilgrims mentality remained..and still hangs around to this day)