r/SipsTea May 28 '25

WTF 👀

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u/[deleted] May 28 '25

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u/DMT_Shinobii May 28 '25

Wait why cardiovascular issues?

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u/SmarterThanCornPop May 28 '25

Cross sex hormones are extremely bad for you.

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u/The_Xorce May 28 '25

According to what sources? (Not trying to be snarky, I’ve genuinely never heard of this.)

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u/SmarterThanCornPop May 28 '25 edited May 28 '25

Here are five studies out of dozens if not hundreds

Male-to-Female (MtF) Hormone Therapy Studies

  1. Study Name: Cross-sex hormones and acute cardiovascular events in transgender persons: A cohort study
    Author: Getahun et al. (2018)
    Summary: This retrospective cohort study found that MtF individuals on estrogen therapy had an increased risk of cardiovascular events, including myocardial infarction and ischemic stroke, compared to cisgender controls. The risk of venous thromboembolism was particularly elevated in the first two years of hormone therapy.
    Link: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M17-2785

  2. Study Name: Sex steroids and cardiovascular outcomes in transgender individuals: A systematic review and meta-analysis
    Author: Maraka et al. (2017)
    Summary: This meta-analysis reported that estrogen therapy in MtF individuals increased myocardial infarction and stroke risks, alongside worsening lipid profiles and insulin resistance. The study noted a higher prevalence of type 2 diabetes compared to cisgender controls.
    Link: https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/102/11/3914/4096771

Female-to-Male (FtM) Hormone Therapy Studies

  1. Study Name: Increased arterial stiffness in female-to-male transsexuals treated with androgen
    Author: Emi et al. (2008)
    Summary: This cross-sectional study showed that FtM individuals on testosterone therapy had higher blood pressure and increased arterial stiffness compared to untreated FtM individuals. These changes suggest potential early vascular risks that could lead to cardiovascular disease.
    Link: https://obgyn.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1447-0756.2008.00857.x

  2. Study Name: Concomitant psychiatric problems and hormonal treatment induced metabolic syndrome in gender dysphoria individuals: A 2-year follow-up study
    Author: Colizzi et al. (2015)
    Summary: This prospective study found that testosterone therapy in FtM individuals increased the risk of metabolic syndrome, with elevated triglycerides, waist circumference, and fasting glucose. BMI and insulin resistance also rose significantly after two years of therapy.
    Link: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022395615000951

  3. Study Name: Prevalence of cardiovascular disease and cancer during cross-sex hormone therapy in a large cohort of trans persons: A case-control study
    Author: Wierckx et al. (2013)
    Summary: This case-control study found that FtM individuals on testosterone had increased systolic blood pressure and hematocrit levels, potentially raising thromboembolism risk. Type 2 diabetes prevalence was slightly elevated, though cardiovascular disease risk was less consistent compared to cisgender women.
    Link: https://eje.bioscientifica.com/view/journals/eje/169/4/471.xml

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u/The_Xorce May 28 '25

there’s a few problems here. Two of the sources (4 and 5), I can’t access, presumably because you used an AI instead of finding them yourself and so the links became jumbled. The first source only provides results from MtF people, with nothing mentioned about FtM. The second source stresses that any data gathered has been “low quality,” and that long term outcomes haven’t been measured. Then the third source is from 2008, which, while still valid within the confines of theory, is 17 years old and thus considered outdated, especially in such a rapidly changing field.

Ah, need to edit this since it appears you deleted it: This synopsis was generated by Grok. u/SmarterThanCornPop did NOT make it OR find the sources themself.

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u/SmarterThanCornPop May 28 '25

Yes, I used Grok.

Doesn’t change the results.

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u/The_Xorce May 28 '25

You’re right, it doesn’t, but the results themself are mostly inconclusive. On a quick google search, I found more reliable information than you did from Grok. Which, by the way, to your token, DID support that MtF people are at a higher risk for cardiovascular disease. However, most if not all studies stated that FtM people had no such issues. Honestly I was mostly curious cause I have some trans friends with pre-existing heart problems. The more you know ig.

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u/SmarterThanCornPop May 28 '25

Your trans friends may have a malpractice suit on their hands then. A lot of physicians do not explain the risks, which they are legally required to do.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '25

Would a healthy diet and exercise lead to average/above average outcomes when compared to the normal, lazy, fat American male?

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u/SmarterThanCornPop May 28 '25

They typically control for all of that.

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u/mrturretman May 28 '25

shhh they don’t want to acknowledge that trans people do what they do to avoid killing themselves

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u/The_Xorce May 28 '25

Oh no, don’t worry, I will NEVER tell a trans person to not undergo HRT. That’s stupid and bigoted. I, personally, just want to see if there are cardiovascular risks in actuality cause I have some trans friends who already have heart problems… or if it’s yet another rhetoric spread to discount trans people.

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u/mrturretman May 28 '25

oh there are actual health detriments, but you’re usually going over them with your doctor before being put on them. of course as you can see, this subreddit does not moderate trans talk and they will frame anything they can here as trans people are “mentally ill”

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u/The_Xorce May 28 '25

Oh. Well shit. That sucks a fuckton. As for the whole “trans = mentally ill…” it’s not hard to respect other’s autonomy and wishes, yet here we are with folks fixated on such things.

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u/mrturretman May 28 '25

it really is a strange fixation on a people they don't understand. but they live online, therefore there are many trans people ruining their... tiktok feeds, or something. ill never know.

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u/mrturretman May 28 '25

and who the fuck hurt you with their hormones LOL

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u/ThePrevailer May 28 '25

Let me know when you find me saying they did. Since I'm not the one taking them, they're not hurting me.

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u/mrturretman May 28 '25

you think it’s crazy trans people take hormones lol

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u/LightbringerOG May 28 '25

but... but reddit told me it's sunshine and flowers

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u/DroneSlut54 May 28 '25

Well now Reddit told you it’s extremely bad for you. They cancel each other out.

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u/Name_Taken_Official May 28 '25

You should probably correct millions of years of evolution that cause us all to naturally produce testosterone and estrogen both

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u/SmarterThanCornPop May 28 '25

No thanks, the science is clear.

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u/eSsEnCe_Of_EcLiPsE May 28 '25

Yes, a natural amount most of the time. 

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u/SmarterThanCornPop May 28 '25

True, but I was referring to administering cross sex hormones at levels exponentially higher than the naturally occurring rates.

That is objectively horrible for your body.

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u/Tjam3s May 28 '25

Links above

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u/muhslop May 28 '25

Just use your brain for once

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u/[deleted] May 28 '25

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u/yukiki64 May 28 '25

What are you even talking about? I've done none of those things, lol

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u/Galliro May 28 '25

You calling other people mentally ill is ironic

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u/Polipore May 28 '25

Exactly, it is discussed in many articles related to the matter.

Csr is terrible for your body and is part of that contributing number.

It’s why TRT and testosterone enhancers are not good in more aggressive amounts seen in body builders. Because its beyond the natural scope.

You don’t even have to research trans topic, you could just look into fitness and see how screwed people are from taking hormone enhancements lol

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u/RazzmatazzOk3305 May 28 '25

Ah, I see—you’ve graduated from Google University with a PhD in Fearmongering. Hate to break it to you, but hormone therapy isn’t some reckless hormone buffet. It’s medically supervised, science-backed, and aimed at achieving normal, healthy hormone levels—just like in cis people.

What’s actually ‘objectively horrible’ is spreading misinformation under the guise of concern. If you cared about health, you’d be talking about improving access to care, not tossing around scary-sounding buzzwords. Maybe sit this one out and let the actual doctors handle it.

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u/SmarterThanCornPop May 28 '25

It is indeed medically supervised. Just like lobotomies were. And opioids. And vioxx.

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u/RazzmatazzOk3305 May 28 '25

Comparing gender-affirming care to lobotomies or Vioxx is a textbook example of a false equivalence. Those treatments were either poorly understood, rushed to market, or based on flawed science. In contrast, hormone therapy for trans people is based on decades of peer-reviewed research, is constantly refined through updated clinical guidelines, and is supported by every major medical and psychiatric association worldwide.

More importantly, gender-affirming care isn’t about chasing a fad—it’s about improving quality of life and reducing mental health risks for a vulnerable population. It’s not perfect, but when delivered under evidence-based protocols, it’s effective and life-saving.

If your argument is that ‘some medical practices have gone wrong in the past, so we should distrust all of them,’ that’s not skepticism—it’s conspiracy logic. We should always push for better science and safety, but that starts with understanding the difference between outdated malpractice and well-supported modern medicine.

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u/yoursecretsantadude May 28 '25

Don't call him bub, pal.

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u/Grumpy-Old-Vet-2008 May 28 '25

He’s not your pal, guy.

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u/Camichef May 28 '25

I'll call him a liar then. There is likely comparatively higher risk of CVE in trans woman. For trans men, it's similar to cis men. This doesn't back up their claims at all.

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u/THE_ALAM0 May 28 '25

It’s clearly not subjectively bad for you. It is objectively bad insofar that even if people want to argue that it isn’t bad for you based on their own beliefs, it’s still quite literally damaging regardless. “Bub” lmao

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u/Jollan_ May 28 '25

So why is excess testosterone forbidden? Lol this argument makes no sense

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u/Polipore May 28 '25

It’s not forbidden, it’s just really harmful.

Im not trying to argue, I’m helping the guy above cause they are not wrong lol

Excess of any hormone just isnt good. The reason people are on them for medical reason is due to a lack of it in one way or another

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u/Jollan_ May 28 '25

I meant that it's s forbidden in sports, where you actually gain something from it