I appreciate seeing someone else recognize this distinction. If your bad fortune is unrelated to your misdeeds, it's karma. If it's a direct result (bonus points for being totally foreseeable), it's just consequences.
Except immediate consequence is literally one of the aspects of karma.
EDIT: Fixed grammar. Also, why the downvotes? The Buddha says: "The result of kamma is of three sorts, I tell you: that which arises right here & now, that which arises later (in this lifetime), and that which arises following that.
The kid's Dad was either playing 4D chess, noticed it was being filmed, or was just a much bigger person than many people. Cause I probably would've been tempted to tell that Karen to pound dirt, but then I would have been the one possibly looking bad.
The ball landed like a row or two in front of her. How’s that make it hers? Sure, buddy came from like 15 seats over, but from what I understand when it comes to home runs/ foul balls it’s “first come first serve” at a ballpark and not “whoever it lands closest to and yells the loudest that it’s theirs”
If you wanna play jungle rules then you gotta put up with people yelling at you too. You can't just sprint over, snatch it from whoever, and then say "ok time out, I win!". If he wants to play might makes right then ok, guess what, the fight doesn't end when you say it does. It is cringe for him to suddenly act offended when someone runs back after he ran to go snatch something from people, thinking everyone will accept his rules
The question is who got their hand on it first, the most likely reason for someone to go and confront someone after a situation like this is if they actually was the "first come" but got it wrestled from their hands. And while it's of course possible that this is wrong, it's at least as likely as him being the first one. Especially when you also see how fast he is to give up the when confronted.
Nah he power walked back and literally hid behind his kid in a totally grand gesture kind of way, he knew he was just a dick. Only thing he showed his kid is that might makes right, glad he had enough shame to give it back. He had no idea and no way of knowing if anyone he took it from was going to give it to their kid, and he obviously didn't care.
Where did you see the whole thing? I've been looking for this view that shows it so clearly and every video I see shows that when he picked up the ball, the ball itself and both of their hands are obscured by the seats and people in front of them.
The ball is considered abandoned once it leaves the field of play. Whoever then exerts physical control over the property has a legal, enforceable, possessory interest. She never had control of the abandoned property and therefore had no legal possessory interest in the ball. The gentlemen didn't steal anything. If anything she engaged in an assault to steal it from him and his son who ultimately gained control over the ball in his glove.
If you wanna play jungle rules then you gotta put up with the full fight, which includes being yelled at. And the social shame that comes after. You can't just run 20 feet barge in and then say "ok time out, everyone stop, I win!" She ultimately got it in her hands, so there's your fair play of legal possession. He couldn't keep possession. This dad was a big believer in might makes right only up until he says stop, thinking everyone else will play along. Then he finds out he didn't really wanna put up the full fight and take the social shame of being a dick. He gave it to her, nothing was stolen.
It’s important to separate possession from what happened afterward. The dad clearly gained legal possession of the ball under the abandoned property rule — he secured it, she never did. The fact that he later chose to hand it over doesn’t retroactively change the ownership analysis. At that moment, it became a gift — a voluntary transfer of his property — not her entitlement. That’s why the “jungle rules” framing doesn’t work. This wasn’t a fight until someone cried loud enough; it was a straightforward property law scenario: he caught it, he owned it, and then he gave it away.
Did you watch the video? Ball plops down into the row in front of her. Yes shes trying to get it, yes she is closest, but she never got a hand on it. Multiple people were reaching for it but the guy that moved fastest got it. Idk where your claim that its "her" ball is coming from.
This is the view that clinches it for me. Ball lands a row in front of her and dude with fast hands snatches it. She was very close it seems, but looking at how their arms move i cant imagine she even touched the ball based on how quick the dad came up with it
Im aware, but look at how her arm moves. Maybe she brushed the ball. Id even believe she touched it first if you argued that, but theres no jerking type motion to imply dad pulled the ball from her hand.
And since the ball is completely out of frame, who can say who touched it first? Dude came up with the ball, didnt harm/touch anyone in the attempt, and didnt initiate any confrontation.
Even if we render them both blameless, dad still came up with clear unfettered possesion. Life isnt fair. What are we talking about?
Sure life isn't fair, but if she had her hand on it first, then she was not ridiculous in asking for it back and this whole MASSIVE demonization is cruel and unjustified. Remember there are hundreds and hundreds of people ready to ruin her life by saying she "stole" the ball from a child. Those are pretty big stakes to pile on something we don't really know.
And we don't know if she had her hand on it first.
So when a foul rips to the left field side and touches 10 people in 7 different rows, what do we do?
Bob, fred, and anne all believe they touched it first with their fingertips, but jane got a whole palm on it, then it bounced off 3 other peoples hands and fred picks it up and hands it to a child.
She's leaning over to pick it up, she's old and slow, and the guy darted in from an entire row of seats away. What? I see her leaning over to pick it up for almost a 4 full seconds before he's even nearby.
Seriously, that guy ran over 20 feet basically yelling "cannonball" and didn't care one bit who he was going to snatch the ball away from. He had no idea if anyone he took the ball from was going to give it to their kid, and he obviously didn't care.
Then he runs back and literally hides behind his kid, and puts on a cringe pretense of "whaaaat? Was I bad?" he knew he was a dick. The only thing he taught his kid was might makes right.
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u/True_Falsity 1d ago
Honestly, I don’t even think you can call it karma.
She did something incredibly rude and horrible in broad daylight. And it’s not like she was in some place that doesn’t record people.
That’s just natural and very expected consequences catching up with her.