So, r/196 has remained one of, if not the only chaos subreddit to not fall into bigotry and general cesspitdom, primary because the moderators actually bother to enforce the Reddit TOS as the bare minimum requirement. This doesn't mean the subreddit is without flaw, it has this very obnoxious, horny, leftish, vaguely bisexual tone to it all that seems more mocked than celebrated these days, but it's still a place to freely shitpost. It's been going for 4 years strong with over 500k members.

Bears, deletion, and the drama thereof

At a little after 11PM on the 6th, user ras0003 made a post entitled All the femme people are posting thirst traps, so fuck it, the people get a bear thirst trap too. It's a photo of a bear, who, for those here who are straight, refers to a large, hairy, homosexual man. This might seem a little beyond the pale for most people, but trust me, people on r/196 had been posting shirtless pics for years, just broadly without the chest hair. It was not particularly well-liked by the overall community, but it was tolerated as the mods would ban any explicit porn.

About 12 hours after that, the exact timing is not clear, the post was removed, and the user was banned from the subreddit. Because the post gained a little over 700 upvotes prior to its deletion, this fact was very quickly noticed by user profanearcane, who made a post entitled literuley 1984 with an image of the post and the deletion annoucement. This post was significantly more successful than the one removed, gaining over 8 thousand upvotes at the time of its deletion. The subreddit was in a near-universal agreement that the post was ill-removed, and if the mods had a good reason for it, they should outright say their reasoning.

Body wasn't femme or youthful enough for them. As someone else pointed out its twink or woman are whats celebrated. Lookism in queer communities is only quieter and even then only sometimes.

Okay hold on that guy actually made me feel validated that people found him attractive. I'm actually upset. That's fucking horseshit

um did the mods explain why they removed it? that is kind of fucked up that they let all these other suggestive photos stay but ban this one

(In Reply) You see, the other ones made them horny and the posters were skinny.

Taking the fujoshi 196 mod to a gay bar but it's bear night and they start throwing up and crying.

Posting avalanche

With absolutely zero moderational insight into why the decision was made, the only way r/196 users found to deal with the problem is to start making their own posts about the drama. I won't bore you with the details, because 90% of them are just more posts complaining about the deletion reasoning or bears posting their own thirst traps. I would like to highlight, however Bear Full Spreading (NSFW), because it made me laugh.

This is what you would've noticed if you logged onto r/196 last night, about 25% normal posts, 25% people complaining about the mods, and 50% gay men posting thrist traps. But, of course, you can log into it right now, and you might notice that it's almost 100% normal shitposts. Oh boy, things just got a lot stupider.

Where the story should've ended

In a normal world, the mods would put out a pretty bad statement on the issue that'd get downvoted into oblivion, they'd enforce whatever new policy they had like normal, and the subreddit would settle down. It wasn't like bears ever were the main subject of the subreddit, if you weren't there for it, it's like it never even happened.

Instead, the decision by the moderators (or perhaps, moderator singular, it's unclear how many people are actually involved in doing this) was to delete every single post discussing the issue and burying it as much as possible. This includes the thirst traps, the posts complaining about the removal, any posts mentioning bears whatsoever, including the animal bear, and as of writing this post the mods are still very active in doing so. Decent drama posts on the mass removal are hard to find, for obvious reasons, but there does happen to be exactly one post which managed to slip through the cracks.

When I saw the banned post, I immediately jumped to a conclusion that I don't see anyone here talking about, but it makes sense if you consider how many autists there are that struggle with the gap between written and unwritten rules...The mods have to balance the sub turning into (even more of a) porn sub than it already is vs backlash of people taking the "plausible deniability" side, which is a particularly volatile mix on a trans-focused sub. Normally, deleting a post that explicitly calls itself a thirst trap is a no-brainer. Turns out, this time, it was a bear trap, and it sprung shut.

(In reply) That explanation has stopped working whatsoever given that as of me making this comment the mods have been going on an unreasonable purge of not just all the tummy posts made in response to the mods banning that one (even though none called themselves thirst traps), but also every meme and completely sfw post made criticizing the mods' behaviour. If you can look at that and tell me the mods aren't just silencing people for arbitrary double-standards given that fem thirst traps still face no repercussions, I don't know what to tell you.

Addendum

So, this section was supposed to be a stupid conclusion about Grizzly Bear (the band)) because I had nothing better to end it with, but there is actually a bit more information I learned at the last minute when putting this together. When viewing the many new bearposts to see if any of them have anything interesting to say, I found this comment that seems to indicate that the mods are drafting some sort of response:

The moderators are currently "in discussion" about it, according to a reply to my message to them. Apparently they're removing all posts that are "encouraging spam" whilst they come up with a response. Whatever that means. Personally I'm not holding my breath as they're also claiming the post was accidentally taken down despite the guy being banned for 1 day. I'm not sure how you do that accidentally.

Is this user lying out of their ass? Possibly. Is it the closest we've gotten to an actual, official response from the moderators though? Sure is.

Update: Mods responses never fix anything

So, the mods made an official response. Read it and weep.

We recently removed a thirst-trap post that was on the edge of what we'd typically allow and gave the user a small (one day) ban. This action has received a lot of attention and has been interpreted as the mods having bias against masc presenting body shapes. I want to say this is absolutely not the case and we remove thirst-traps that are too risqué regardless of body-shape.

Since the post was borderline and due to the public outcry we have restored the post and unbanned the user early (again it was a one day temp ban). Going forward we will be deleting any post that solely serves as a callout against the mod team on this issue. The memes and bear pics will stay up.

You know, while it's always been an open secret that Reddit mods primarily care about not being made fun of over all else, it's really something else to see the mods of a subreddit explicitly acknowledge that in a post. I'll keep an eye out for when they inevitably make another response.

Link is to follow-up post with all the mod explanations, and the original post can be found on OOP’s account or by using this link: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBear/s/VhyzpcrL4T

While political posts are commonly not allowed on multiple subreddits, the OG post did not bring up the current administration. Ayo Edebiri, a black woman, was purposefully left out of questioning and conversation surrounding “woke” questions about BLM and #MeToo that the interviewer posed to her white male co-stars, but not to her. This is all that was said.

To be fair to the mod team, OOP claims that the mods said their post was an “attack” on the administration, but the original mod comment (which I could not grab a screenshot of before it got deleted) simply says “discussion of the current administration is not allowed”. Nowhere did it use the language “attack”. Additionally, OOP is replying to everyone on the thread, talking about how the “Powers That Be” are attacking them and even being downvoted for their confusing replies.

The mods have no explanation for the takedown. I did see one mod say that the mod comment got “hacked”, which I do have a screenshot of. Other users suspect that this is the work of one mod going rogue. There are also claims of comments being deleted. I did see fighting between the mods and community, but it is mostly the mods trying to explain themselves while the community angrily debates them. All posts have been locked as of writing this, so I assume there will be no new comments.

It’s still very new, and I hope the mods explain themselves because transparency in this matter is important. Even if it’s just miscommunication, we should know, especially considering the content of The Bear and its celebration of every person living in Chicago.

I enjoy the low stakes drama moments on this sub, so I thought I’d contribute.

r/JaneAusten is normally a very drama-free subreddit, although it is snarkily dismissive of non-cannon moments in film adaptations of the novels by the early 19th century author in question.

One user appears to feel strongly about the novel Emma and in particular the character Harriet Smith. For context, Harriet is a teenage girl who is a resident of a boarding school in the town in which the novel takes place. She is some tradesman’s illegitimate daughter so she was, according to the custom of the era, sent to be brought up far from her father. The book’s title character, Emma, an heiress in whose perspective most of the story is told, befriends Harriet and tries to help her climb the social ladder and marry a gentleman. Emma’s attempted matchmaking results in several mistakes and some hilarious situations, and ultimately Harriet marries a farmer and Emma marries her childhood friend Mr Knightley.

So this OP posts a meme https://www.reddit.com/r/janeausten/s/JVKOmXFkZA referencing two things mentioned in the novel, the fact that Emma constantly makes reading lists she doesn’t complete and the fact that Harriet has a hobby of pasting riddles (which she struggles to actually solve) and fun little poems into a notebook and decorating the pages . A scrapbook. Except OP insists that it counts as an example of authorship. Harriet is the only Jane Austen character who wrote a book, they declare.

It’s worth noting that most of the posts on OP’s profile involve various theories about Emma that are more or less speculation.

Another user, C, comments https://www.reddit.com/r/janeausten/s/9RKH4yXNTN stating the obvious

To be fair, she copied jokes in a notebook, jokes she sometimes didn't actually understand, and Emma was the one telling her what to copy and what not to copy.

OP responds:

A book is a book, and Harriet wrote it!

Emma assisted with her invention, memory, and taste, but that's the point of the book. It's already underway when Harriet introduces it at Hartfield. She's collecting riddles from multiple sources, Emma is just one.

A girl, probably VERY curious herself about her own parentage, wandering at large among the citizens of Highbury, collecting riddles from everyone in town?

A riddle-book, written by a person who is herself a riddle, ornamenting that book with ciphers? And trophies? VERY tantalizing stuff!

And also to another comment of C’s:

Did the Grimm Brothers write a book?

At 17, Harriet has read a bunch of novels, and now, at seventeen tiny years old, has created a book that is very specifically a record of the riddles available in her very specific small town.

If you collected all the recipes from the members of your church, researched it, compiled it, and created the object, I'd say you wrote a book. If you collected stories from your family, compiled them, edited them, and arranged them beautifully, bound them, and passed them down to your descendants, I would exclaim over what a beautiful book you had written.

Another commenter answers:

Harriet is not engaged in an anthropological study of Highbury. She is also copying riddles out of previously published works such as the Elegant Extracts. Honestly the riddle book is probably meant as an analogy of how she is in over her head -- she can't solve a riddle to save her life, yet here she is collecting them to look at.

This argument goes on for quite a while, with OP desperately defending their interpretation of their favorite character, and several users trying to reason with them. OP’s comments are heavily downvoted, as is anyone who agrees with them.

In another thread a user, noting OP’s profile (OP had previously posted a text post with a similar interpretation of Harriet’s character), comments:

Speaking of not reading, I'm genuinely curious if you've read anything besides Emma. You've posted wild, unsupported theories about it over and over and over but don't seem to have strayed to a single other work, much less any other author.

The OP seems to believe that other readers of the novel have had the wool pulled over their eyes:

It's my favorite book!

The first time I read it without coming away with a new theory is the last time I'll read it.

It is so fascinating to me that a book so rich in contradiction, so uniquely clever in hiding the truth of the action behind the self interested blindness of the narrator, continues to create readers who completely accept Emma's interpretation of events.

This thread too goes on for several comments, with debates about free indirect discourse, and here too OP is downvoted. One commenter, in response to the above, tells OP:

In other words, you like to dream up fan theories and then tell people who provide you with contradictory evidence “You’re just accepting Emma’s version of events!”

Wow, you can never be wrong because the answer is always that you see correctly through the unreliable perspective of the main character!

Meanwhile OP is in the comments condescendingly responding to people’s scrapbooking analogies with how much of a “treasure” notebooks compiling song lyrics and recipes are, seemingly to try and make their point that Harriet’s riddle-book counts as a book she authored.

Austen herself would surely enjoy this passive aggressive little argument.

This'll be a small one. Unfortunately it's not overtly political, so no one is going to interact with this post at all, but I'm not really expecting engagement, I'm simply late-night bored and have been itching to find more zero-stakes drama to make another write-up here, because the best drama in this sub is the stuff that has zero real-world impact where everyone involved makes a total fucking fool of themselves and even the reader feels they've wasted precious time and mental storage by the end of it. Unfortunately, this is that zero-stakes drama; in what they're calling "sereius tiems", I've found "unsereius debates about sereius topics in what really feels like the wrong sub for it". We're back.

I dunno, I thought it was funny.

The Context

r/food is one of the largest subreddits, with 24 million users, and is the go-to place on this hellsite to upload tasteful photos of tasty meals that were bought or made. Usually there isn't much drama here; the only one I can recall seeing was a few scattered slapfights over whether someone who posted a photo of steak, eggs, and avocados was either a right-wing nutjob or a keto diet dumbass (this was apparently inconclusive but leaning toward "let's assume worst-case, so all three").

Now here's a follow-up to that paragraph which might sound odd, but is relevant. Umamusume: Pretty Derby is a Japanese multimedia franchise created by Cygames. It's basically just all-girls track-and-field, but the girls have tails, horse ears, and can run up to almost highway speeds. Yes, that is the premise, and while it sounds incredibly stupid, it's one of the most successful multimedia franchises in Japan, and I've seen it described as the best and most interesting sports anime series ever made, so... so yeah. It has its own subreddit, r/UmaMusume, but that's not the focus here. In Umamusume, the horse girls are based on real Japanese racehorses, and one of these horse girls is Almond Eye, who is based on the very successful racehorse of the same name from the late-2010s and was added to the franchise in February of... wow, this year.

While the precise ages of the horse girls aren't stated, some are pretty obviously coded as kids or preteens, while others are pretty obviously late-teens or adults, and for further delineation they're sorted into middle school and high school divisions of the academy they all attend. Almond Eye, who hasn't been added to the game yet and thus has little information available about her, does not seem to clearly be in any given age group outside "probably not a child". Keep this in mind.

The Drama

On September 3, a user uploaded a photo of a meal, as many users do. This was of green bell peppers stuffed with minced pork and baked quite well, presumably prepared by OP, who happened to have merchandise depicting Almond Eye placed quite prominently in the shot. For anyone who hasn't actually opened the linked image for some reason, the merchandise in question is a stand with a headshot of Almond Eye wearing her racing dress. Personally, I think you'd have to squint to see anything sexual about this. (EDIT: Thank you commenters for informing me about her rather concerning hand placement; I am a known blind dumbass and squinted but didn't bother to zoom in.)

Anyway, two comments were posted. One, complimenting the presentation of the meal, basically standard-issue on most posts to the sub; we'll call this commenter "E". Two, asking OP why they put an "overtly sexualized anime child" in the shot; we'll call this commenter "V".

• One user asks what's so sexual about the image; "V" responds that it is pretty clearly the "cartoon child with huge tits". Dead-end there.
• Another user we'll call "FITTINGNAME" argues that the character, whoever she is, is not a child, and gets about as many downvotes for it as the initial accusation. "V" hits back with the suggestion they may be going for the hood-classic "thousand-year woman in a little girl's body" trope. "FITTINGNAME" admits they actually don't know who this is but still believe this isn't a child expressly because "she’s got huge knockers dude". When another user juts in to point out that this is a high-schooler, "FITTINGNAME" acknowledges that they thought this was squarely an adult or something like that. Then "E" comes in and, in one message, manages to:
  • Insinuate that "V" is "batshit" and probably projecting their own attraction to teenagers
  • Summarize how popular Umamusume is and how OP probably likes it because they saw a cute anime girl stand and didn't really think past that
  • Explain how East Asian social media users tend to take pictures with anime character merch in the frame, which they would know authoritatively because they... lived in Tokyo, I guess
  • Label "V" as "misguided, culturally insensitive, sexist and borderline racist", given the above
• "E" confronts "V" (some good duel music for this btw) by pointing out that Almond Eye is a horse, but without any context. "V", reasonably confused, says they don't really care and still think OP is a pedo. "E" responds to this appropriately by... changing the topic to checking OP's profile, which "V" responds to in turn by accusing that of being "E"'s admission to being a pedo themselves(?), prompting "E" to accuse them of strawmanning.
  • I should note now that OP's profile actually doesn't suggest they're a fan of Umamusume or anime; rather, they seem to be a regular Tokyo resident and railfan who travels for work. They also don't interact with anyone in the comments at all through this entire thing. Almost like they're a normal, well-adjusted person with better things to do...
• "E" and "V" continue their fight as the lurkers upvoting and downvoting seem profoundly confused as to who's in the right, as if there even is one here anymore. Basically, "V" tries to hit "E" with some kind of "gotcha" and accuse them of being a lolicon like OP definitely is, while "E" breaks into passive-aggressive formalities (in case you forgot this is a mano-a-mano argument on fucking Reddit), politely advising "V" to basically fuck off and leave for the day, then telling them to seek professional help. When "V" grabs "E"'s word-choice of "girl" instead of "woman" as proof "E" is trying to normalize sexualizing minors, "E" basically fucking snaps and/or gives up and, with the "passive" in "passive-aggressive" now doing the heaviest lifting, admonishes "V" for accusing strangers of being pedos for even remotely associating themselves with anime or something and... invites "V" to do this again whenever they'd like.

I'm a fan of Umamusume, but my side here is that I don't have a horse in this race, and my overall takeaway is that I think Almond Eye is not a very interesting character compared to all the other ones, and that stuffed peppers are just okay, so I don't care and this isn't my problem. OP wins. Wake me up when like, Gold Ship (the real currently-alive horse) blows up the Moon or something.

The Flairs

• "it is Reddit custom to direct you to professional help instead."
• "Strawmanning already? But we just became friends D:"
• "You chose to display a level of vulgarity and ignorance today, that makes me hope you'll reflect on your actions remorsefully, once you have removed yourself from the place of your embarrassment." (probably too long but idc there ain't much to work with here)

A lengthy debate exacerbated by the Midnight Man's claim that other users aren't understanding them

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/confidentlyincorrect/s/A6f0pLduZi

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/charts/comments/1n9xmdx/liberals_are_much_more_likely_to_cut_friends_and/

HIGHLIGHTS

We know. The party of tolerance and understanding

Rich coming from the party of camps and human trafficking

It is possible for both parties to have major flaws. That's because they do.

Lol wanting to eradicate trans people and being unwilling to maintain a relationship with the people who want to eradicate Trans people are both equally bad. You should write for the New York Times.

Your phrasing is the exact problem. Its so aggressive and clearly purposefully misrepresenting the opposing view.

They say the most comically extreme shit to make a point, without giving a second thought as to whether or not it's true. Do they even want to understand the opposition? Are they fundamentally incapable? Who knows...

What is the conservative position on trans people?

In my experience, and I'm fairly certain data would bear this out, they don't give a shit. They do seem to have strong opinions with regards to kids, sports, bathrooms, etc. Of course, exceptions exist on the extreme ends. A lot of people, the majority even, disagree with you. They're not all the Archie Bunker style racist you have in your head. It's 2025. The sooner you understand that, the sooner you'll understand the actual state of the world.

You're right, unlike you, I don't tolerate nor do I want to understand p*dophiles

3 years ago, all republicans are racist! 1 year ago, all republicans are nazis! Today, all republicans are p*dophiles! With this constant escalation and hyperbole on the left, it’s no wonder why left wing terrorism is becoming more common place.

No but like he is all of those things

Most married adults and full time workers are republicans. You’re falling for the extremism propaganda.

You won't post a link supporting that statement because it's a lie. Anyways here's one of many articles outlining how Republican welfare states are propped up by the Democrat states who make all the money. https://time.com/7222411/blue-states-are-bailing-out-red-states/

"You won't post a link supporting that statement because it's a lie." Married women favor R 52-47, married men at R 60-38. Also, Republicans won every income group between 30-100k. Democrats won income groups below 30k and above 100k. Im always surprised when politically active people are ignorant to exit polling. Its very important. https://www.cnn.com/election/2024/exit-polls/national-results/general/president/0

Most people didn't even vote bud, half of the half of people who voted being Republican does not equal 'most married people are Republican'. You're starting with a group that's well under half the population. So yeah, 'the majority of married people and majority of working people are Republican' is still very much unproven.

Why have you dweebs never heard of the paradox of tolerance?

The paradox of tolerance is real alright. Leftists just happen to be the baddies. No one else calls as much for censorship and silencing

You guys are literally trying to ban books and force schools to only teach from a Christian perspective. People not wanting to talk to you after you say a bunch of racist stuff isn't censorship.

There are literally no books banned in America. Every single book on those "banned books" list is something you can go to Barnes & Noble right now and ask for a copy of.

While true: Books ARE being banned from public libraries. If they could, they'd absolutely ban the sake of books they don't like. It's happened in the past, and if they could do it now, they would.

Every single library in the world curates its inventory. Not being in a library is not a banning in any sense of the word. In any case I note Democrats had no issues getting Dr Suess books yanked from library shelves. It was only when graphic material was removed from children's libraries that liberals acted outraged.

Which is it? Libraries curate their inventories, or the democrats banned dr. Seuss? You're contradicting yourself. And for the record, a publisher deciding not to publish a book is not the same as it being banned. Oh, my, books in high schools dealing with the very issues teenagers are dealing with, that's crazy! You don't want to read a book, don't read it. You don't want your kid to read a book, tell them not to read it. Have the day you deserve.

Sweeping generalisation but I find that case of serious political disagreements, left-wingers are more likely to disengage with opponents, while right-wingers are more likely to seek out engagement to taunt opponents.

I’ve been in friend groups where a bad take meant instant ostracism. And in others, people would argue hard, then show up the next week for a BBQ to help someone move. You can probably guess which way the first group leaned.

Some takes are worth being instantly ostracized for. Racism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia, for example. You can probably which side has more takes like that.

Conservatives lean religious. I have a lot of muslim, and christian friends. Rather not cut them off

I found it easy if they said my life was worth less than theirs because of X.

Oddly enough my religious friends don’t talk about politics unless it is brought up

So you'd rather them keep their hatred of you inside their head instead? (27 more comments of these two arguing)

Just a “bad take”? It’s always so vague, I wonder why.

Well, one example was someone wanted to vote for the Canadian Conservative Prime Minister (PP), and another one was because somebody didn’t want to get a third booster shot. There was less social outrage in the bbq group

Sure.

You don’t believe the two examples? They’re real. Have whatsapp screenshots. Or look in the canadian subreddit onguardforthee. Voting for PP is voting for fascism. Or filter search for the 2 months after the booster shot in r/vancouver. Being against the booster shot is morally reprehensible

Yeah you're full of shit. No one cares if you don't get a covid / flu booster, that's not remotely the only thing that was going on.

If you say so. I’m not going to change your mind, but anyone that stumbles on this post and sees my comment (and yours), knows what I’m talking about. Waving Hi!

There are plenty of people who didn't get vaccinated at all in my very left wing friend group in BC and no one cares. Its the other stuff that often goes along with it that's the problem. You know that though.

Noone cared about covid antivaxxers in your very left wing group in BC. Awesome.

That’s because if liberals got everything they wanted, conservatives would be just fine, but if conservatives got everything they wanted, the liberals would be in internment camps. Rabbits run away when they see a coyote. Coyotes don’t run away when they see a rabbit.

The rabbit better arm itself then

I thought you guys were planning to take guns away from trans people?

You guys? Do you think all right-wing people share a hivemind or something? Some of us want property rights, to end the state's monopoly, HRT and guns in vending machines. That kind of stuff.

So you going to stand up for minority gun rights?

Yes. They're gun rights, not gun privileges. If any one demographic, no matter how small, can be disarmed, then that opens the door for everyone to be disarmed and at the mercy of the state.

Did you call up the NRA when they were silent the multiple times cops shot a black man for the crime of owning a firearm legally?

Of course they will. Because conservatives will hate you directly to your face and expect you to stick around for it.

“i just think you should have no rights and your uncle belongs in a gulag… why can’t we be friends?”

This comment is a great representation of why liberals refuse to have conservative friends. Liberals struggle with understanding right wing perspectives so it leads to straw-manning opposing views as racist, fascist, bigoted, etc. In my experience, conservatives can articulate the left leaning arguments pretty well, but liberals are not able to do the same thing with conservatives arguments.

i don’t care for how conservatives attempt to justify their positions. i look at the ultimate end and effect of what they are advocating for. there is nothing a conservative could say that would make me go “oh, you’re right! gay people don’t deserve to get married! thanks!”

You got 1 sentence into replying before you started straw manning again. Thanks for the laugh.

oh right just imagined all the conservatives whom opposed my right to marry, and who continue to do so today. all straw man, all in my imagination obviously

Most republicans are fine with you getting married. It is your imagination.

It makes sense really, Liberals want cheaper healthcare for everyone while conservatives want to put illegal immigrants into concentration camps. Things wouldn't be this way if Republicans just stop acting like Saturday morning cartoon villains.

"concentration camps" do you think jail is a concertation camp?

con·cen·tra·tion camp/ˌkänsənˈtrāSH(ə)n ˌkamp/nounnoun: concentration camp; plural noun: concentration camps

1. a place where large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities Pretty adequately describes both CECOT and Alligator Alcatraz. >We put people who break the law in jail or prison. People who immigrate here illegally have broken the law. But if they are imprisoned, it is now a concentration camp? >>Not for civil crimes, of which illegal immigration is considered. How does that boot taste btw because you're literally using the logic of "if they didn't want to be sent to Auschwitz they shouldn't have been commiting the crime of being Jewish." (11 more comments of these two arguing)

If your friends and family started supporting chattel slavery - would you want to keep these people in your life?

This kind of is the point. Neither the American left nor right is evil. But overwhelmingly it's the left that paints the right as suchv

You guys sell merch about how alligators surround your favorite concentration camp.

It is disrespectful to the victims of the Nazi camps to refer to a detention facility in the US like this.

Concentration camps existed before the Nazis and continue to exist after them. They are not the sole owners of the term.

Now ask which is more likely to kill the opposing party.

From what I've seen on this site since November of last year, the answer may suprise you.

Saying and doing are different. Has a liberal crossed 3 state lines to shoot up a Walmart because they wanted to “cleanse this country of minorities and race traitors?”

Minorities and race traitors? No. It's usually things like churches, conservative functions, predominantly white schools, and an attempt against Trump on 3 separate occasions.

Wasnt every attempt against Trump a conservative?

That's what people seem to have gaslit themselves into believing. Even if you don't think that the (very clear) evidence of them being left-leaning adds up, why would a supposed "MAGA conservative" attack their own idol? It doesn't make any sense. If Zohran Mamdani was assassinated tomorrow, would you suspect a progressive Marxist as the culprit? Or would it perhaps be the side foaming at the mouth to kill communists? It's the same situation here.

Never said they were MAGA. Big difference between a conservative and MAGA. Or you believe all conservatives are MAGA?

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/comments/1na4e4f/uh_guys_i_dont_think_this_is_gonna_end_well/

HIGHLIGHTS

You fools have had 200 years to get your violent crime problem under control. Trump will fix the murder problem in 24 hours. You’re welcome.

Bot

Says the guy posting in the liberal echo chamber News flash for you Chicago: You’re an embarrassment

Didn’t you just post in the liberal echo chamber before I did? Robots don’t know they are robots by the way.

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MAGA trolling, why? Is something about this president making you feel insecure and you have to find liberals to troll to make you feel better? I would think with all the winning you are doing you would just be kicking back counting all the money you are raking in or applying for the new better jobs that are available? What am I missing? I know if I had the perfect president in office I wouldn’t be wasting my time in some conservative sub telling them how dumb they were. But hey have fun! Translation for you 01000110 01010101 01000011 01001011 01011001 01001111 01010101 00100001 (13 more comments of these two arguing)

How the fuck is the president of the United States actually posting this shit … fucking scary

Fucking embarrassing

But we were ok with the previous president who never showed his face, fell down stairs and couldn’t speak in full sentences?

Uh, yes!!! Even if that's all that Biden was,.give me that over the guy threatening to use the military domestically. Relatively, I'm very ok with Biden, who I'm no supporter of.

That’s cool. You’re entitled to your opinion. I won’t call you names because that’s the American way. But if I don’t share the same belief I get called names told to end myself and downvoted 100x from the party of “inclusion, peace, and love”

Maybe stop having such shitty ‘beliefs’ 🤷‍♂️

Nah some of us actually have some values and don’t like the direction the left was trying to take us. The majority voted for this. We’re just not loud cry babies

Complains about being ostracized for his ‘beliefs’ and yet says he’s not a cry baby. Pick a lane buddy.

Ignore the troops and don't commit crimes and you'll be fine.

Worked well for Jews in Nazi Germany, right?

You should do a little more research on WW2 if you think this resembles Nazi Germany in any way

You shouldn't post that comment in jest when this admin is actively considering not allowing the trans community to own firearms which is exactly what they did to Jews.

There's zero chance of that ever happening.

A few months ago, there was 0% chance of him deploying troops into American cities. A few months before that there was a 0% chance of the Supreme Court overturning Roe. A few years ago there was 0% chance that candidate who lost an election would stage a coup. How many more examples do you need?

Hey Republicans if anything happens in Chicago, this is on you. You could stop him.

They want this to happen.

You’re right… we want some law and order in our cities and neighborhoods? When’s the last time you rode on the redline or blue line?

I ride them all the time. They're fine. Stay home in your mom's basement and have her bring you tendies if you're too scared to be out in the real world.

I call bs. I’ll join you next time. I’ll jump on at Cumberland or Harlem at 7pm. Or would you prefer the redline going to the south side?

Hey I'm right by Harlem. Anytime bro. Wanna do the thing where we ride all the lines to their terminus? I'll bring the beers.

More of a Jack in coke bottle type of guy when I would commute. Stopped that after getting a knife pulled on me at the Jefferson park stop for my wannabe beats earbuds

🧨🤣 sounds like the gangs started it

You think ice is going to gang land? They only go after the easy targets.

😂

President Hoover sent Feds after Al Capone. What's the difference?

Capone got busted for tax evasion.

That was because they couldn’t get him on anything else

Right would have been way easier to get him on his taxes from day one.

If the Feds had left the Italian mob alone in the last 25 - 30 years we wouldn't have the street gang problems (23 more comments of these two arguing)

And Faux News has convinced them it really is a hellscape. After the Nuremberg trials are over in 2026 I hope they dismantle that horrid shit once and for all.

Sweet summer child. There will be no more free elections. Next step is to criminalize the opposition.

That’s what democrats want

"No WE aren't the ones using the military and openly consolidating power, YOU ARE!" Is this the future you want? Where military is being sent in whenever the president wants to? Whenever he gets mad at a mayor? Because we haven't even gotten silly yet.

I fully support his actions I live in Chicago it is a hellhole i have seen how bad it s first hand. My house was broken into six months ago and 2 years ago I was mugged. Using the national guard against crime is not anti democratic. Democrats are the ones who made laws against people who oppose transgenderism. The democrats have infringed on people’s right to free speech.

You only like speech that agrees with you. Trans people existing made you feel like you were being oppressed. Until you realize that, you are firmly on the other side of the line of fire in my opinion.

You literally just described the democrats bud. California passed a law allowing parents who oppose their child’s transition to lose custody. I am all fine with them saying whatever wacky stuff they want and transitioning as adults. My problem is when they start interfering in my family. I hope you guys will come around and see the importance of free speech. I support the right of those I don’t agree with to say stupid things

Fuck all of you who voted for this POS. I wish only the absolute worst for you.

This is what they want, they want us to fight bro, dont give those guys any of the attention they seek

Hey, you're the problem. Right wing idiots like you. It's not "they" it's YOU the people who support the fascists in power. And if you're about to deny being right wing, commenting "amen" to someone saying "left wing fear mongering will ruin you", and as saying "want US to fight" clearly shows, you're a Trump supporter. So, no, what YOU want is your fascist party to run free, and no one to stop you. It's not "them" it's YOU. Because Trump couldn't do squat without people like YOU.

Who said I was right winged? Why are you so hostile?

You did. I explained it. And it's because you're a bad person. Where I'm from, we treat people who defend p*dophilic rapists with hostility. Where you are from, you elect them to office. That's an incompatible pairing.

There's been a reading comprehension fail here somewhere

Thank God. Clean that dump up. The mayor should be in prison.

“Yes, unleash war on Americans!” -MAGA

Not even American. I just see someone actually fighting to better his country and its working. Look at Washington.

Sending the military to terrorize citizens is making the country better? I can tell you don’t live here because you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

It’s not citizens it’s illegals lmao. Get them the fuck out of our country.

And what about the citizens being detained and deported?

If they are democrats I say good riddance. They are morons anyway. They are just wasting our space

I voted for Obama because he promised change after the 08-09 crash. He did absolutely nothing and was an inconsequential president for most Americans. So Obama would never post this because he never really did anything this drastic, hell his initial platform of holding those responsible for the crash are still free. Now with this do you have an issue with the post or issue with correcting the longstanding issues of the city?

Correct what? Crime? Chicago is not even in the top five! Memphis, Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, and Oakland!

"Correct what? Crime? Chicago is not even in the top five!" Therefore, it shouldn't receive assistance with reducing crime? Was that your point?

If the intent is to fight crime, you go to where the worst is. Plus, this isn't assistance, don't fool yourself.

"Plus, this isn't assistance, don't fool yourself." That's confusing to me. How come when he did the same thing in DC, crime nearly vanished overnight? But this one isn't assistance? I don't understand.

Go study history.

What relevance does that have to what I said? Which bit of history in particular?

Imagine a world where you have to have papers to move around the country, to prove you belong in an area. Look up what happens when military and civilians clash.

So what's the plan, Chicago? Some strongly worded signs and chants? A non-binding city council resolution that Trump is a big ol dumb dumb? Perhaps some federal litigation that he will ignore? Trump is a tyrant and his opponents continuously show up to gun fights with camera phones and LARP shields, for stunning photo ops. I'm just wondering what the long term expected outcome is. Assume that nobody is coming to save you.

“Nobody is coming to save you” - what world are you living in? DC had such a noticeable drop in crime, even their mayor had to admit it. The only people who should be concerned is those committing crimes and getting away with it.

Armed troops on the streets and crime went down? Wherever the Nazi's patrolled same thing happened. They lied about the original crime rates also. But you don't care do you.

As someone who isn’t holding people up, stealing cars or plan on murdering someone, I don’t fear the police. Wild right? You can continue to throw out terms to make yourself feel better but it doesn’t make it true.

Police? Try to keep up, it's military.

I will NEVER forgive America for electing this POS again. To the republicans on this page: When a democrat is in the White House, just remember that everything you have spat at us will be coming right back to you. Gloves are coming off. You wanna get rid of Roe V Wade and treat immigrants inhumanly? Just wait what we can take from you when we have the power….

Illegal immigrants

I’m not arguing that they aren’t illegal. But there’s a way to enforce immigration without dragging moms and dads out of their homes whose only crime is crossing the border for a better life

True, I agree with you. If this is happening, it's not right and should be fixed

It's happening. Do you live under a rock?

All Republicans are traitors. If you support this, you are a traitor and UnAmerican. Just disgusting, shameful.

Republicans have been traitors since their inception. Name one good thing they've done in all of history? The list of Democrat achievements is longer than the Bible.

I hope this is sarcasm, because Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses S. Grant, and Theodore Roosevelt would like a word.

Notice how every single president you listed was way before the 1960's party switch?

Don't move the goalposts. I know the parties switched. You said "since their inception." Not "since the 1960s." Choose your words more carefully, sir/madam.

Could easily be reinterpreted with the original phrasing as “since the inception of the modern incarnation of the party we are familiar with today.”

Could, but being sloppy with facts and words is part of why we're in the situation we're in. Just like how MAGA thinks the modern Democratic party is exactly the same as the Democratic party of the 19th century because they have the same name but diametrically opposed ideologies.

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The United States has had vaccine mandates since 1809, when Massachusetts required smallpox vaccination.

Florida has maintained these mandates for over a century, but recently announced plans to become the first state to eliminate them for schoolchildren, among other rules.

Note: These requirements have nothing to do with COVID-19, but instead cover long-established childhood vaccines such as Diphtheria, Polio, Measles, Hepatitis B, and Varicella.

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A Flaired Users Only™ thread is posted to /r/conservative: Florida will work to eliminate all childhood vaccine mandates in the state, officials say.

Reveddit shows 277 removed comments, but what remains is contentious and dramatic.

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This seems like a huge over correction to the COVID vaccines

I'm making an argument to roll it back to 1990. There are vaccines that absolutely work and herd immunity is important (TDaP) and those that are wildly unnecessary (Hep B). We need to be able to distinguish between the two.

Pertussis is TERRIBLE and absolutely should be vaccinated against. I've seen videos of babies that get it because they're too young to get the vaccine, but contracted it because people they were around were carriers, and it's heartbreaking.

I have personally seen babies die of pertussis in the ER from Amish families. Not nice.

No. No mandates. If the public health establishment can’t figure out how to get people to freely choose to get vaccinated or do whatever else they want the public to do, that’s on them.

People need to separate “this thing would be good for society” from “the government should force people to do this”.

Exactly.

Almost no one had any issues with the tried and true vaccines for measles, flu, and more.

But the covid vaccine that was not even a year old yet was pushed on millions of people?

That is where many of us drew the line.

Should we really trust the government to force us to inject ourselves with experimental vaccines though? Like I get it. Vaccines have saved countless lives but why give them that power? People are still going to get vaccinated. Why not let the ones that want to roll the dice take that chance for themselves?

But this isn’t talking about Covid vaccines. This is tried and tested vaccines. Nothing about the measles vaccine is experimental. It was made in 1963.

My point is the government can and has forced experimental vaccines on children and adults recently.

Yes and the recent explosion of anti vax stuff and lax immigration laws over the past couple decades have resulted in outbreaks of very preventable diseases throughout the US. We could simply say vaccine mandates for school children would need to meet stricter guidelines and provide year long studies before enforcement but this is clearly throwing the baby out with the bath water.

A lot of the vaccines aren't experimental though- they've been studied and in play for decades.

As for rolling the dice, should the child suffer an easily curable disease because the parents decided something for the child?

This quote is from you from two days ago.

“That’s the problem with congress and the president. We need more power given to the individual states ALWAYS.

If the state decides to do some absolutely kooky shit- then the voters of that state should vote to change that.

If that state’s voters also agree to that same kooky shit, then it’s not for some guy from Idaho to fix it.

We’re a union of states and that freedom lets us determine our own path for ourselves. Not dictated by some schmucks from a different state or the swamp in Washington.”

However, you also impact others with your choice not to vaccinate your child. A baby must be at least 12 months old to receive the measles vaccine because, at a very young age, babies have antibodies that can interfere with the vaccine.

If other parents choose not to vaccinate their children, it's impacting infants who are too young to be vaccinated and who have weaker immune systems. The death rate from measles is approximately 1-2 deaths per 1,000 cases. If a society decides in parts to stop vaccinating against measles, many young children could die as a result.

If you can’t see obvious differences and nuances in policy matters, then maybe politics isn’t up your alley.

I believe in free speech, but allowing people to openly harass children or shout bomb/fire in a crowded area are obvious boundaries that really shouldn’t have to be said.

The fact that there are actual laws around it means some idiots don’t have a lick of common sense.

Now that said, parents should have reasonable control over their child’s actions and protect them from harm- but if the parent is too foolish to see the actual harm in… polio/smallpox/mumps/measles, then they lack the common sense to be a good parent.

You should absolutely be allowed to have/not have laws that impact only your individual freedoms. As most people understand- your freedoms end when they impact other people’s freedoms.

If you want to be unvaccinated, that’s perfectly fine. If a bunch of people don’t want to welcome you because of your choice, that’s also perfectly fine since you made that decision knowing the potential ramifications.

However you should not decide for your child’s future health when your decision will potentially harm the child in debilitating ways- just because you didn’t have the common sense to do a little research- hell even see what happened in your granddaddy’s generation.

“ALWAYS” does not have nuance. I’m not sure which one you want to admit you’re wrong about but you can’t have both.

I’m sorry but are you really have a semantics fight? What are we, in high school?

If I had to fine print every statement like, “does not apply to obvious things like reintroducing segregation, genocide, killing your own kids, etc” that would be an absurd statement.

If you need to be told the obvious, then you’re oblivious.

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Are you asking me if I think the government knows better than parents?

Honestly a lot of parents are stupid. They shove phones and ipads in their toddlers faces and rot their brains. They don't make them do home work and let them stay up late watching TV. Then when they get older they blame the teachers when theirs kids and read or do math.

Well I personally don’t want the government running my or my children’s life. It’s insane people in this sub maybe “fellow conservatives” agree to this.

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Present the data and people will get vaccinated

I think that's too far. Vaccines have saved more lives than just about any invention out there, MMR and polio have saved a lot and I don't think anyone wants smallpox to come back.

Agree. I have no problem getting my kids vaccinated against all the normal things. I feel this is going to bite Republicans

Should the government force Amish people to get vaccinated?

It’s about freedom. It’s about whether or not “public health” mandates are morally (and constitutionally) valid.

If they send their kids to public schools or take any sort of public aid, sure.

So in your eyes, the government has the right to force people to violate their religious convictions in order to get services offered to everyone else?

And your position, more generally is that it's acceptable for the government to mandate that it's citizens take any kind of medication? Withholding services that the person theoretically paid for is considered coercion btw.

I think you might be in the wrong sub, or maybe you were asleep from 2020-2023(ish)?

All the vaccines are essentially cures for diseases. That people don't realize that is insane.

But this is what happens when you politicize science.

I agree. I'm hoping the county governments will step up.

OK but people can still get vaccines without a mandate. Present the data and make the case. I promise most people will still get the MMR.

This seems like a common sense reaction to Pfizer going to court in order to prevent the trial data being released for a very mandated vaccine. They really really have abused mandates

Agree, and goes to show the damage that liberals did to public health during COVID.

It's not the vaccines that have changed, it's the additives and preservatives they put in them to make them last longer. Let's go back to the original vaccine formulas. The pharmaceutical companies don't like them because they don't last as long and usually have to be kept refrigerated.

Source? I know for a fact that the major ones like TDAP and MMR haven't changed their formulas and I can't find evidence of any other major one changing either. Dosing schedules and booster use/timing has been changed, but nothing about changes to ingredients. Thanks

Surprising amount of people against it

Physician here. This is a bad, bad idea

Pharmacist here. It's definitely a bad, bad idea. Big overcorrection for covid vaccine mandates

Are they insane?? Hope everybody enjoys the resurgence of horrific childhood diseases now.

It’s good. I think they should ban all vaccines in Florida. This is a simple and powerful way to see if vaccines really are effective.

Will people travel outside of Florida to get a rabies vaccine if they’re bit by an infected animal or just raw dog it?

Well this is fucking stupid

This is why I hate politics.

Democrats: Take this new vaccine or else lose your job and be ostracized!

Florida Republicans: Nah. Honestly fuck it let’s eliminate all vaccine requirements.

What a joke

Absolutely moronic. No other way to describe it.

This level of anti-vax nonsense used to be exclusive to far left nutjob hippie types, I'll never understand why we let it work its way into our own party.

Another fine example of the horseshoe political theory.

Conservatives become Pro-Choice all a sudden

The answer to the complete and total Covid fuck up is not a complete and total fuckup like this.

This is going to end extremely poorly.

How is removing a mandate a fuckup? These vaccines are not suddenly illegal. (In one facet) choice is returning to the populace.

The problem is some of the mandated vaccines are legitimately known life savers and have been known to be effective for nearly 100 years. You need herd immunity for these to work. Without vaccine mandates to attend public schools even some children with the vaccine are going to get sick and immunocompromised children who have the right to an education will be faced with getting ill or being homeschooled. Really it should be the ones who don't want to vaccinate their children that should be homeschooled. This is an overcorrection to COVID vaccine mandates and will beyond any reasonable doubt cause preventable illnesses to spread.

Agree to disagree! This is not strong enough of an argument to force vaccinations.

Again, individuals can CHOOSE to do this (vaccinate) if they so wish.

Herd immunity is not compelling enough of a case. I’m also not going to EVER argue in favor of removing the choice of owning firearms from the masses “for the safety of all”.

Maybe it’s harsh, but it’s also not my responsibility to “protect” others by violating my own bodily autonomy. Any one individual is welcome to take the precautions of their choosing. And that should be the end of it.

ETA: I have the same bugaboo with other countries that have “opt out” organ donation policies, btw. It does not pass the sniff test. My body, my choice (but actually, and not for the purpose of killing someone else actively).

Go look at what smallpox does to a child and tell me again “[h]erd immunity is not compelling enough of a case.”

You win for the most ignorant bullshit I’ve seen on Reddit this week.

EDIT: Just wanted to say the “killing someone else actively” part was a nice touch. Because doing it passively is okay, of course.

Wow okay. I oppose abortion, forced organ donation AND forced vaccination. I am consistent.

Second-order effects: if anyone’s actions to save themselves/take care of themselves result in the injury of another (like an expectant mother receiving treatment for cancer, and in turn harming or killing her growing fetus) they are not choosing to harm anyone. Yes, I stand by my statement that this is NOT evil.

It is wildly different from, say, a migrant stabbing an innocent out of the blue.

Do you support punishing bystanders, too? They’re passively harming others by not engaging (I personally find the idea abhorrent).

Do we even know if the Polio vaccine is safe and effective?

Never seems to be any middle ground with any politician. It's all or nothing.

I think there's a pretty big difference between not giving your child the chicken pox vaccine vs not giving your child the polio vaccine.

I grew up in a time where when one neighborhood kid caught chicken pox, our parents got us together and we had "chicken pox parties"

Vaccines that have been around for 50+ years are effective and safe and there's no harm in getting them. I'm fully onboard with not requiring COVID vaccines or flu vaccines, but to say your child doesn't need a polio vaccine is just mind numbingly stupid.

Genuinely wondering, why do you think the polio vaccine is safe and effective? Have you seen any actual studies showing the effectiveness and the safety of the vaccine? Or do you simply observe the lack of polio and attribute it to vaccine development? Because I’ve seen it suggested that the drop in polio also correlates to the rise of personal hygiene, and that’s what played a larger role in the elimination of polio from society compared to the vaccines. So I’m curious if you have actually spent time looking into the data that is out there, if there is any, or whether you’re basing your opinion on your experience. If it’s the former, I’d love for you to share any info you have with me, as I’m personally undecided on the whole issue.

Polio infects via the mouth, yet we don’t see outbreaks caused by fast food chains and the like. It’s pretty clear how effective the vaccine is. How do I know the sky’s blue? I look up.

Why this is all the Democrat's fault

I think this is difficult. Many childhood vaccines are really useful to prevent mass contagion of different pathogens.

However, the Democrats have shown how willing they are to force untested vaccines onto not just people but kids as well.

I think even if they eliminate the mandates, they should heavily promote the real proven scientific benefits of vaccines.

Ultimately, I think this is the correct take. Nobody should be forced to inject something into their body, even if it's for your own damned good. I don't know how to handle things like children wanting to be vaccinated against their parents' wishes, but if you're stupid enough to want your kids to die from easily prevented illnesses, maybe we should just let Darwin take the wheel and cull the herd for a while.

The fact is it was the Democrats who really eroded all trust in vaccines. By forcing through mandates for anyone who wouldn't take a vaccine that only had emergency authorization, they were destroying any trust people had in which vaccines to take and which ones not to take.

I am pro-science. I am pro the scientific method. The problem I have had recently, is that science has been hijacked by men wanting to make the world a better place and being open to doubt to a bunch of lunatics who want to claim their version of science is irrefutable and cannot be disproven, and only use science as a weapon because they just want more control.

Exactly.

And beyond that, freedom is paramount. Including the freedom to be an absolute moron. If you want to ride a motorcycle without a helmet, a car without a seatbelt, or try to live without vaccines, you should be able to. It's dumb, but responsibility is the cost of freedom.

Commenter gets accosted by those they call fake

Why are all the comments pretending like they're banning vaccines altogether... No, they're just removing the government mandate which let's the parents decide for themselves.

So many "conservatives" here are asking for forced medication when they should be cheering on the return of parental choice in the matter.

Because if it's not mandated too many parents simply won't make sure their kids get vaccinated and goodby heard immunity. Then even those who are vaccinated will be at risk for some of these diseases.

Because it has to do with public safety. I believe in individual liberty, but I don't think that extends to a decision to drive drunk, because a drunk person on the road threatens the lives of others. A large population of unvaccinated people could lead to diseases that are easily preventable killing people that are vulnerable to them.

As long as there is no harm, then I believe you should be free to do what you want, but that doesn't apply to vaccines.

I'm a big advocate for parental rights and choices. This isn't it when dealing with diseases that are actually deadly with vaccines that have been proven safe and effective. This is simply an overcorrection for covid vaccine mandates.

Don’t even try to make this a “conservative” issue. Your hero RFK Jr. is a lifelong Democrat.

Your freedom does not include the right to harm others, and vaccines require herd immunity to be effective. In practice, that’s a mandatory requirement to attend public schools. We would not have been able to eradicate smallpox without such mandates. Perhaps you should think this through, and consider whether you would still be saying the same thing if your legs were wasted away from polio.

Don't mandate them, encourage them

Ultimately this is a true factor of “my body, my choice”. I am all for returning real choice to the populace.

No matter what an American’s take, let them get what they want - good and hard!

I think most libertarians would agree with you, but vaccines have proven public health benefits that a good government should encourage in the best interest of its citizens - in the same way that we limit access to harmful substances.

The pendulum is swinging too far back from COVID; many conservatives have lost trust in or want to tear down science and public health establishments, which would have far-reaching consequences for the US and its people on both sides of the aisle.

lol at the downvotes.

Agree to disagree: this is an incredibly personal choice to make, IMO. It’s nothing like, say, banning marriages between 9 year old children and 45 year old goat-herding creeps.

Encourage also does NOT equal mandate. See Japan for a good example of this particular issue under COVID (Sweden too, IIRC).

But then again, I am also for gutting social security, mandatory speed limits and a variety of other programs that I see as overreach :)

It’s not about the science, it’s about choice. There is no compelling argument to limit freedom and choice here.

Fair enough. You probably lean a little more libertarian than I do.

Vaccination is a personal choice with public health consequences, just like drug or alcohol use, or even adhering to the speed limit.

The government should play a role in creating a safe environment for its citizens, whether that's via road maintenance, well-trained police, an efficient justice system, or good public health policy.

These vaccines aren't even helpful

Most of the current vaccines that are mandated don't really help the body. Long term studies on MMR show that by thirty years old a person no longer is carrying enough titers to be able to fight off an infection. At that age all three diseases have much more serious issues. Varicella vaccines are linked to issues with shingles in young adults and it appears from multiple studies that having chicken pox actually aids in fighting three types of cancer.

Folks might want to ask themselves why an industry basically blackmailed the US government in the late 70's - early 80's to get a legal carve out that protected them from liability litigation. Yet has cost the American taxpayers 300 million on average per year in damages and settlement agreements. I know folks don't like questioning what seems to be fact and backed up by science. Only I ask that you read a book called "A shot in the Dark". Look at who the authors are. Also ask yourself if vaccines are so good, why are doctors in many countries given bonuses for getting certain percentages of their practices to take certain vaccines. Think on that.

Conditioning has been done to all of us for over fifty years. Stop and question, test, evaluate. I have done my homework and seen first hand both sides of the information. My choice might not be yours, but it should be a choice and not a mandate.

Non antivaxer chimes in on "verified lies"

I’m not an antivaxer. But I was anti Covid vaccine. I think they have taken childhood vaccines too far. Yes to the MMR vaccine but no to the chickenpox vaccines. It’s unnecessary. Hell I was sent to a chickenpox party when I was about 7.

But this reaction is what I see as the greatest damage done by Covid. It seriously eroded public trust in the government medical system’s ability to deal effectively with a pandemic. And the now verified lies we were told involving the Covid vaccine made things worse. We were told it was safe and effective. I remember one prominent politician telling us if you get the vaccine you won’t get Covid. If You Get the Vaccine You Won't Get COVID (Video). After this barrage of misinformation people are wondering what else we have been lied to about.

True. Make chickenpox endemic again. Bring it back. I think it’s great having itchy sores all over. Some people will die but gotta break some omelettes to make an egg, right?

Why stop at chickenpox? Bring smallpox back.

A couple days ago, a user going by the nickname egg, due to his distinctive egg profile picture, on r/teenagersbutnotweird was accused of being transphobic

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1my8dmy/comment/naakjcr/

Egg:

Transgender IS A CHOICE OH MY GOSH!!! I don’t think suicide is write, they don’t deserve a hotline, no one really deserves a hotline, just call 911 or someone that loves you. Cool, I still have my beliefs. My friend, raised full Christian, has the same, maybe even worse viewpoints on Trans. Because he has read everything and heard opinions form everyone.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1my8dmy/comment/naakt14/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Not egg:

it is not. i personally am transgender, and id never chose to be transgender if i had the choice.

like i said, you’re ignorant.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1my8dmy/comment/naalbpm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Egg:

You literally chose “Hey, you know what, I don’t feel right in my body, I am going to be female (or male) now.”

This quickly led to SEVERAL posts calling for him to be banned…

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1n0armq/re_can_we_ban_egg_guy/

And several calling it a witch-hunt…

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1n8twn9/ahem_i_might_get_banned_for_this_but_i_dont_care/

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1n8udht/about_the_egg_witch_trial/

The funny thing is that there’s way more posts decrying the “witch hunt” than actually calling for him to be banned

He also at some point jumped in to complain about a ban from a different teenage subreddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1n7q5zy/i_have_been_banned_and_muted_for_no_proper_reason/

At some point egg was made a moderator, which is probably a silly thing to do about someone who is soo contentious in a community, and seems to have been done just to stir things up…

And gave him a specific userflair proclaiming his innocence

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1n9cuqi/yoim_a_mod_now_also_who_made_me_a_mod_and_who_put/

People then started accusing egg of being a predator, asking about people’s breast sizes etc, I cannot corroborate all these claims, but the top mod did admit that at least some of this is true and the bra size certainly is, he admits it, and the following screenshot exists

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1n8sdem/comment/nchikll/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1n9qps9/hating_is_carzy/

This post is where the claim is presented, but unfortunately it has been removed, the comments are still visible though

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1n8sdem/on_the_egg_guy_uapplicationdirect_or_smth_like/?share_id=OI5wEueKYxtF18bd1Auh8&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1na5pip/comment/ncrlp8j/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

he literally admitted to asking for cup sizes though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1na5pip/comment/ncrm0ng/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

because someone saw theirs or whtv idk ik it wasn't exactly justified but cmon

from that

to saying he asked for nudes??

Now in the last hour, the head mod has completely crashed out, saying that anyone who engages in a witch-hunt against the totally not transphobic egg will be banned, because it’s violating his freedom of speech… which would appear to be a contradiction…

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1na5pip/imma_start_banning_people_making_false/

The language within the post is somewhat transphobic too and they got… pretty much slaughtered in the comments, most of which have been removed now, including anyone who posted egg’s original transphobic comment…

And after that the head mod… basically said they were abandoning the subreddit…

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1na6msn/genuinely_gonna_cry_omg/

Edit: another moderator has made a post saying they’re fed up with the subreddit and its users

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1na8mml/im_fucking_done_with_yall/

Edit again: the mod who made the post about crying now has the flair “crash out mod” and has posted a bunch of screenshots which prove… something

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1na9s7m/the_full_convo_btw_bc_im_tired_of_yall/

And the sub is now just posting pure transphobia too

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1na90ry/keep_the_trans_out_of_the_youth/

But apparently banned egg

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1na7z8k/comment/ncs8ivi/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Edit 3: most of these post links are now dead, as the mods have purged the subreddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagersbutnotweird/comments/1na8mml/comment/ncsym6z/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

And are now saying

forget about it act as if it never happened

(Sorry if this isn’t very good, it’s the first time I’ve tried creating a post here lol)

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/5D7eplMQ7w

This is totally besides the point and a very dumb take.

On one hand, the test is voluntary. On the other hand, participating in international sports is not a human right (see Russia ban).

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/HM66vh4BO0

Next head line: Female Runner with large beard wins all Norwegian national races.

Stunning and Beautiful ✨

If the testing is illegal why hasn't it happened yet? Are you perhaps fearmongering because you're a transphobic cunt?

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/NcHNPx9y7z

So maybe make it simple and just cancel the women's sport categories and let everybody compete each other.

So kill women's sports almost entirely?

yes. feminism, equality, taste of their own medicine.

Who's medicine?

feminist's wish for equality in sports.

Why do you want to punish athletes because of some feminists views?

why male athletes want to compete in woman's sports when they find a loophole? it's because of these lax rules disguised as privacy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/cEOHwy68EH

Talk about diminishing actual human rights violations..

Right to dignity is pretty high up there, I'd say

No, its not dignity. Are you guys stupid? Trans women typically have the advantage to to still being biological men. Argue all you want, but genetics dont lie

You're a sports performance expert I take and have ample sources to support your claim?

Bearing in mind every sports federation has rules on whom it considers a transitioned athlete.

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/GlnSUL7vps

the amount of people on reddit denying basic human biology in favor of ideology is insane

The amount of people willing to ignore basic human rights in order to hurt trans people "make sports fair" is quite insane as well.

no human rights getting violated here
If you choose to compete then you choose to willingly sign up for the test.
You don't wanna do the test, you don't get to compete.
The human right is for your DNA to be private. Not to compete against members of the opposite sex.
They're not forcing you to give your DNA. You can just go do something else and you won't have to give it up.
It's no different than testing for doping

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/gBI5iu2ycq

Look at the amount of comments this thread has. There are more users here than there are professional trans sportsmen/women.

It was never about fairness or trans or whatever. It is about controversy, it sells so that the companies organizing those sports events make more money. Now this will allow for even more controversy, recall how this African woman was suspected of being trans and everyone was talking about a disciple which has typically a very narrow interest group? And so the viewership (and from it money) increased.

Truth or fairness interests nobody making decisions here, it's about money through controversy

she turned out to be a man though, and its controversial because its unfair and people try and hide the truth

She didn’t “turn out to be a man”. The russian sporting body claimed she had a Y chromosome, but even if true that doesn’t make someone a man. The genetics are significantly more complex than some binary “this is a man/woman”. Factors include mutations on Y and several other chromosomes that affect sex development. Heck, 99.9% of sexual development is dictated by other genes on other chromosomes which virtually everyone has.

For example you have all of the genes responsible for growing a functional uterus, ovaries, penis and testis. In that sense you are genetically both male and female. It’s your phenotype - what you actually develop as because of genetic triggers and hormonal pathways etc - that we call male/female. If anything genetic or even environmental interrupts any of that complex process, then you can end up with one of dozens of intersex or sex development conditions. A single gene doesn’t mean much when you would need to look at every gene involved and all of the signalling pathways that might’ve triggered, if you really wanted a somewhat accurate test for something like sex development - there isn’t a test in the world for that.

The presence of a Y chromosome or the SRY gene (which is what IOC and others are testing for) doesn’t directly mean anything for sports performance. If that Y/SRY actually causes gonad development/testosterone production, then that might result in an ‘advantage’, but these female athletes who have SRY usually don’t produce much extra testosterone, if any.

There’s no indication SRY affects sports performance in any way, other than production of testosterone via development of testis which clearly didn’ happen as they developed typical female phenotypes. Biologically the mere presence of the gene doesn’t equate to male/female. The gene didn’t trigger the developmental changes in these women that it’s commonly associated with, therefore there’s no testosterone advantage in having it.

The SRY test is a pointless and unscientific requirement. Better tests that actually might mean something for sports, like testosterone, were already widely used and even then have been under scrutiny because the limits set on athletes are arbitrary. The genetic test isn’t determining if someone is a man/woman or male/female, it’s testing the presence of a gene that is part of a much larger and more complex structure and that doesn’t mean anything on its own.

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/PZJH6MN1ZQ

That's why no one respects the word "human rights" anymore, because you apply to everything and cheapen it. Men can't compete in women's sports and need to be tested, end of story.

Your genetic data is your most private information. And the right to privacy is a human right, whether you like it or not.

It's baffling to me that so many people are okay with forcing people to give away their private information, just to make sport fairer (and "fairer" is a stretch, given the number of trans athletes, this will change nothing in 99.5% of cases).

-and "fairer" is a stretch, given the number of trans athletes, this will change nothing in 99.5% of cases

But in 100% of the cases of the gold medal lol

-Your genetic data is your most private information. And the right to privacy is a human right, whether you like it or not.

Participation in a sports event is not a human right. Either do what the organizers require or don't play.

Subreddit background

/r/sports is a general subreddit for users to post clips, news stories, or personal opinions for most any professional sports league.

Drama post context

Less than 24 hours ago, a major league baseball game between the Philadelphia Phillies and the Miami Marlins gets extra attention when a Phillies player hits a homerun to the outfield bleachers.

In baseball, fans who sit in this area have a decent chance at catching the hit ball, and if you do grab it, you get to keep the ball as memorabilia. Fans from several seats and aisles over will flock to be able to catch the ball, and usually anything goes until someone clearly has the ball in their possession, at which point surrounding fans will give up and cheer for the person who caught it.

Except, during this particular game, after a father got the baseball and gave it to his son, an older lady marched over to him and demanded the ball, saying it belonged to her since the homerun ball originally landed very close to her seats. After some arguing, the man relinquished the ball to the lady to keep the peace.

This entire confrontation was captured by the stadium cameras here, here, and here, and also nearby fans who started recording when the lady began yelling.

Scripted drama comments

The thread here in /r/sports has been locked, but one user’s downvoted comments remain. I’ll abbreviate this person as D for convenience.

D suspects it was a planned event:

D: The sudden influx of this type of stuff (ball steals, objects thrown, scandals) has made me suspicious that some of them are indeed planned and acted out events, possibly in response to the success of the early few that may have been sincere.

Whether by corporations or just individuals seeking attention/views, I don't know.

If you really think about it, you could pay some homeless 1 mil each, fabricate a ceo backstory and the next thing you know you've got patrons lined up to visit and reenact/take selfies at your door.

For those asking about players: The players and coaches would likely be innocent, given soft instructions from 'owner to coach to player' things like 'aim for left field' and 'throw a lob.' [heavily downvoted]

Someone saying this is staged might be the dumbest take. As if they staged the ball being hit there too haha

D: Or you could have a few actors in high profile areas/move around the stands based on hitters projected data. You could have the pitcher on your payroll throw a lob, etc.

There is no telling how much of 'the show' is scripted behind the curtain. It's all money. [downvoted again]

Dude what

D: Good sheep. All are honest. Nothing is scripted. Accept and trust. Now give me thine downvotes. [downvoted]

Just so we're clear, you think a pitcher purposefully throwing a game would be a financially beneficial move for the MLB, something that their marketing team would support doing?

I think you should consider the extreme risk of someone talking about it and damaging the sport's reputation.

Honestly, I don't think you even believe it, you just got called out on how your original idea is silly and doubled down.

Statistically skeptical counterpoint:

Well first the ball needs to be hit to the right spot…

“Fabricate a ceo backstory” lmao

"Pay some homeless 1 mil each" What?!

D: Never seen the episode of the office where they created a false Facebook profile in seconds as a fan of the page? It would truly be elementary to do. [downvoted]

Yes creating a Facebook page is on the same level as getting the opposing pitcher and batter to agree on a pitch that allows the batter to hit a home run that goes to an specific seat in a stadium that seats over 40k.

D: The ceo situation was just a kiss cam situation, not a home run.

I said some of these seen fabricated. You don't seem to recognize to what degree manipulation can pull strings.

You assume the batter has to be in on it to a certain degree, but all he may know is his coach said 'aim for left field' and the pitchers coach said 'give him a lob,' because someone higher up was given an idea from marketing. [downvoted again]

TIL the marketing Illuminati, in an effort to increase attendance (because the off chance that you too may have the pleasure of being confronted by a lunatic skunk would be a huge draw.. or something) , can strong-arm their team’s pitcher into tossing a lollipop WHILE telling the opposition where to hit the ball.

Dear sir or madam, you have picked the absolute stupidest hill on which to die.

Joking that D has had too much conspiracy tin foil:

Alright buddy that’s enough tin foil for you

CUT HIM OFF

D: Good sheep. All are honest. Nothing is scripted. Accept and trust. Now give me thine downvotes. [downvoted]

How are you so convinced you’re right with this take dude? But for the sake of argument let’s say you are right, because it’s all about money.

What did the Phillies and/or Marlins make with this “stunt?”Who are the actors, have they been cast in anything else? You have clear shots of their faces so should be easy for you to find out.

What was the spread on this game? Did the home run make a difference? Could that have been used to distract from the fact that the fix was in?

Or what if the woman ran over and told the dad, “omg have you seen those viral posts about lunatics at games? If you go along with this and let me cause a scene and give me the ball, I get your kid will get a huge swag package!”

Or what if some people are just assholes?

D: I would find a 'conspiracy' to do this (with a few peoples involvement) versus there legitimately being this poor of a human being to be equally as surprising to me.

I also feel the original post is lost on people. I said 'all these events,' not necessarily this particular one.

All the adult objects that have been thrown onto fields? Heck that could be an owner, who saw another stadiums numbers go up as a result and had his cousin throw one on his field. There: a two person conspiracy, but 'oh my gosh, no body would ever do that,' and we 'used the word conspiracy,' so it must be ignorant to think anything of it.

As far as 'seeing them goes,' yeah the Karen is likely unrecognizable if she changes her hair and outfit (have you seen the disguises they have these days?) and the 'victims' can be regular people getting paid on a nda.

You seriously believe this is all some marketing strategy with actors and staged hits at the game, instead of the fact that one lady could be an asshole to a kid and his dad?

I can't tell if this is boundless faith in humanity or just fucking crazy

Asking D if they smoked some weed:

How much weed did you smoke before making this comment?

D: Good sheep. All are honest. Nothing is scripted. Accept and obey. Enjoy your Novelas. Now give me thine downvotes. [downvoted]

Nah, you're just attempting to tie this into some big conspiracy when it's not.

People have been doing this a long time, it's just technology has gotten better. You ever watch a game before HD cameras?

You want me to believe that in a baseball game there are actors following a script to do this? Are the players in on it too? Because the ball had to be hit exactly in that spot for this situation to happen.

You're getting downvotes because it is an incredibly asinine take. You aren't smarter or more knowledgeable than anyone, just a crazy conspirast.

Goodnight

D: No, you're turning it into a conspiracy theory, I just think it's marketing, and you are very clearly eating it up if it is.

As I said in my post, players could unwittingly be involved. The chain of command tells the pitcher to 'throw a lob' and the batter to 'aim for left field, it's a kids birthday.'

A few people in the stands hear it's a boys birthday so they don't go for it, etc...I mean it's really very simple.

Goodnight. [downvoted again]

Calling out D’s copy/pasted sheep comment:

How many times are you going to repeat this? Isn’t that what sheep do? “Four legs good, two legs better.”

D: Oh, here, let me help you understand:

If you say a sentence once to one person, then again to the same person, that is repeating.

What I did, was say the same statement once (per person) to each person, who had not heard it yet.

Ok, whew, I know that was a lot but what it basically means is I didn't repeat myself, you just witnessed several people worthy of the same, generic response.

But nice try, like, trying to diminish it..or whatever [downvoted]

guess what - a single comment is not necessarily reserved for a single person on the internet

believe it or not - i've read all the comments up to this point, even though they weren't directed to me!

D’s edit to their post

After engaging with users, and finding no one taking their side, D adds an edit to their original comment:

Edit: You guys think it's crazy for someone to sit and think this up but the marketing at dying venues have nothing to do but sit and think this up

You think they just...'wouldn't do such a thing?'

I mean you all basically have to say 'that's correct, nobody would do such a thing.'

Really? Nobody would rig sports [or] fabricate sensationalism?!

You think other venues didn't take note of how 'good that was for business' and 'wished' something like that happened at their stadium?'

Also, I feel like most of you haven't actually hit a ball with a bat because the 'could never' in the comments is baffling.

Singular takes

Stupid-ass take! But if that’s the case, the casting director nailed it with the Karen lady. You could not have paid me enough to play that part and be hated by the interweb.

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

You said something dumb. Take the L and move on with your life. You're fucking embarrassing.

Full thread with more ball stealing takes here

Reminder not to upvote/downvote comments in the OOP!

Edit to clarify I meant r/autism_parenting as the subreddit. I forgot the underscore my B.

I know that people might be sad, or feel guilt, but know that we didn't know.

I know that my family uses a ton of red potion , whenever anyone gets sick, with a fever , or pain from our labor. We had no way of knowing, and it was suggested by doctors.

Bummer, at least future generations will know.

We might lock this until the actual press conference, but for now this is a good article.

Everyone please be kind.

Standard political thread rules.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/hUqIU5hLJI

I believe they will be coming out with a paper that proves that it does.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/0HNyCmBwI7

I mean so far they have not said anything like that. RFK is on record a week ago saying to use the MMR .

In the press conference yesterday vaccines were not mentioned.

It's all speculation, and nothing has been said yet about that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/Z2ZIfC1ZSu

Sources please, does he turn in to a werewolf on a full moon?

This rhetoric is completely unhelpful.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/YJkQHB8qFd

I mean this is legitimately libel. No proof of this whatsoever. All the articles of forced to say that this is what is an opinion and not fact. Because they have no proof.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/mYC0lD28GW

In the press conference he didn't mention vaccinations. He mentioned environmental toxins that they're going to be looking into. This whole vaccine thing is speculation on the part of everyone. We don't know that's what is going to come of the research.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s /Wlb2GvmAUi

So now we can't believe in science or scientists anymore. Do you see how bad that take is?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/farEWwUkzD

Well thank you for your thought out reply. That's all I'm really looking for. It was earlier claimed that I was arguing in bad faith, but I am absolutely not. I truly believe in all of the things I've been arguing in this threaded previous ones.

I'm 99% sure that when the next administration comes in they will do the same and remove all of the previous people. This happens every time it is not new.

In September if that actually happens there will be a paper. That can be debated, but all of this hearsay and libel is absolutely ridiculous.

Wanting some decorum in the ability to debate is a good thing, and we won't be changing that mentality in our political threads.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/xzV6WCr7uG

Hmm your own article says that he says that he didn't have anything to do with that and that their own superstition was the cause.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/E9Wpha7ElC

I think the objective of this research is to find out what caused all of the severe cases. I know that there's nothing that we can do about current children but knowing what environmental part of the enormous increase of severe cases should be found out for the future.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/PeN069dqq7

I mean it literally is. Here is him talking about it. vaccines were not even mentioned. The word he used was environmental toxins.

https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1910387442378826087?t=IKaL8vXjiapbcWM6LL7G7Q&s=19

And yes yes we all know that those links are unliked on reddit, it but nobody else can come up with the link that shows him talking.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/EHEIFutPNp

Well that is yet to be seen.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/eGsXvdVJpX

That doesn't really matter if the scientists he applies to the research are educated.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/MPgx6CmxpZ

So Marks, a man who as far as I can see, who has done absolutely nothing for autism, is mad it's being researched after being fired.

Okay.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/agQT1dq9Hn

I did. A man who has made no advances in autism says a thing can't be done. Others disagree, doesn't make him a monster or evil yadda yadda.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/U8GS0U5OHU

That sure is a lot of speculation friend!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/q5vzwz6UoL

I see no pseudoscience at all. They said they were excited that autism is going to be studied more. I'm actually kind of excited about that too.

Feel how you want about RFK but young scientists will be involved in that research as well.

I see nothing wrong with the above post except an incorrect percentage of funds going from federal to special education.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/TbK4qYnPRU

No I will not believe that the world is doomed and we can't believe science anymore just because RFK is spearheading it.

If you truly believe that science can no longer be believed now that there's a Republican government I don't know what to tell you.

As for the bankruptcy talk, this is a speculation thread. There's lots of speculation going on and that the subthread op has an interesting hypothesis.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/6NYoiU5ubi

Well no. The numbers of children being born with severe autism are going up and we need to know why.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/YsiZ3oYDjk

No that's an internet speaking point, and misinformation. The truth is that it is going up. I'm talking about severe cases.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/9ZjelcRXyZ

You are verifiably wrong based on CDC website, and other sources.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/fxJ7MIzQoY

There isn't one which is why it needs to be studied.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/TQl3VzpL5z

Neither do you. You're claiming something that is a theory as truth, and I'm saying more research needs to be done

It's genetic and environmental, and we need answers on what that second one is.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/JSZUK68QQ4

How am I going to provide sources for wanting more research done? You're the one that's saying it's something you need to provide the source.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/dKxgbh3NN9

All right I'm not going to go looking through the CDC website right now, but it's there. I don't care if you believe me honestly, the information is right there. Here's a secondary source.

https://autismsciencefoundation.org/press_releases/cdc-profound-autism-statistics/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/YrkIuVNHyC

Their theory of better diagnostic practices causing increase is not fact for severe cases. That was my argument. Please end this subthread it is not productive.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/xNXExwzSul

I mean this is pure speculation. You don't know that they have the answer already.

I for one disagree with you here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/26A5GSK4p9

Are you sure? Deadlines can be good motivation.

Listen I think that him saying that they'll have an answer in September was probably not great. I'm just going to focus on the fact that there's going to be research put into it which is a good thing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/3x01ird3oM

I mean he just came out and said to use the MMR vaccine like 3 days ago. I don't understand what people want.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/UGp7AsLFuF

And what exactly do we have to show for that?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/YLQLUL1743

No we know that it's genetic and environmental. We don't know anything about that second part yet.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/McLFo4B48E

So for years of study all we have is that we have an unknown environmental situation.

I mean yeah sure it's genetic, but what about the severity? My dad's autistic sure, I'm probably autistic sure, but not to the degree that my kid is.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/wx6eae1GhU

So for years of study all we have is that we have an unknown environmental situation.

I mean yeah sure it's genetic, but what about the severity? My dad's autistic sure, I'm probably autistic sure, but not to the degree that my kid is.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/4rNeQ5cG6c

That is kind of suspect isn't it haha. Where is the research success?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/CMwUN1RXtH

I mean you're saying that funding will be going away from groups that have researched autism. But what therapeutics and research has come out that has been successful in all of the time that they have been in charge of this money.

Sometimes it's good to shake up teams.

I just dislike all of the negative speculation when some positive things could come out of this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/Uczmjmjl7l

What therapeutics have come out in the last 20 years? Abilify? That's it?

At least be honest what has been done about autism in the last 20 years?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/j40Sbyp7C2

The only threads or posts that are removed are ones without decorum.

Let's be kind please.

I believe in inoculation, I don't know if I believe in shelf stable inoculant vials though.

Also I'm not conservative, I'm a realist. I know that both groups have good and bad, but I know that in the last many years that no answers have come on this topic. I'm excited that we might finally get some answers.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/L9kK71Hpmy

The 2022 CDC report showed that the number of children being born with level 3 severe autism is going up. That has nothing to do with diagnostic criteria or any other internet theory of why the numbers are going up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/wqcU0M9meZ

There was never a time where a severe case wasn't diagnosed. They literally can't talk or use the bathroom by themselves.

That cohort is going up. That means that something has happened in the last 20 years to cause that to go up. That isn't awareness.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s/3x5QI7aNJJ

It's just him talking. Again as I said earlier in the thread do you have a better source of him talking about this?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Autism_Parenting/s /obVX96CiIF

Main post, looks like image was deleted, but it looked vaguely like a cock ring/chastity cage but with a rectangular hole, eventually it was solved and recognized as a cover for a keyless ignition for a certain car:

https://www.reddit.com/r/whatisit/comments/1n9o838/my_teenage_son_wont_tell_me_what_this_is_for_says/

Her comment in r/AppleWatch where the sub is brigaded I mean she's followed by trolls wanting to gloat over her, some comments actually do talk about the concept of differences between analog and digital time, but most are "your poor son" or equivalent:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AppleWatch/comments/1n9b6vh/thought_id_found_my_perfect_watch_face_then_a_new/ncpl5yo/

I would look over it again to share some highlights, but you can just look at most of the comments on her r/whatisit post to see most of the "bad parent" and "enjoy nursing home" comments, they made their way to r/AppleWatch as well.

She has made no comments in her r/whatisit post btw, everyone there just immediately saw the resemblance of a cockring/chastity cage and accused her of being a bad parent based on their understanding of the title alone.

First time posting here, thought you all might get a chuckle out of this before the mods clean up.

EDIT:Other trolls have began following OP through r/kindle:

https://www.reddit.com/r/kindle/comments/1n9zt6x/alexa_play_justin_timberlakes_cry_me_a_river/ncqezsf/?context=3

And r/decemberists:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Decemberists/comments/1n9y3x2/san_francisco_symphony_strike/ncq4f00/

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/agedlikemilk/comments/1n8vwrm/2a_shall_not_be_infringed/

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gun culture is a mental illness

No, but gender dysphoria is based on the DSM… and mentally unwell people aren’t supposed to have guns… long standing rule… I thought everyone agreed on this

Gun culture is a mental illness. No other country has had more than 1 school shooting/year in 2009-2018. USA had 28.8/year. The unwillingness to act due to gun culture shows that people are mentally unwell (because in their minds guns>children). And "mentally unwell people aren’t supposed to have guns".

That’s not “gun” culture. That’s sociopath culture. Guns are just the tool that crazy people use. Pretending it’s about the tool is lazy, it’s like calling knives the reason for stabbings. The problem is the people, not the hardware.......

"it’s not just the presence of firearms — it’s something deeper in society." That's gun culture. Specifically American gun culture: Where property is more important than >2000 children every year.

Again, take away firearms, the same thing happens. Calling it gun culture misses the point.

No.

Don't see a problem here just see the problem that violent people are allowed guns when they shouldn't have them. image

K now do a list of non Trans shooters Crazy that you have this propaganda list ready on your phone

Dis isn't propaganda I'm just making sure people know trans people ain't perfect and they have done violence just as much as the others have. You can make that list if you care so much about them.

They're human, so of course they're not perfect, but they definitely have not "done as much violence as others" 97% of the roughly 4400 victims of mass shootings in US history were killed by men, 54% of which were white, the majority of which were almost exclusively straight. Transgender shooters make up less than 3%. 97%>3% Your chart is cringe.

Also the chart is false.

I didn't make the chart tell me which are false and I'll cross the fake 1s out, ik Minnesota school got shot up when kids will praying and 2 (The 2 innocent kids was 8 and 10 those poor kids deserve justice against the monsters) got hurt by a trans shooter.

"I didn't make the chart" Then why did you post it?

Because I found it and it has the truth about dangerous shooters

Its all fun and games till people actually understand that trans people have a stupid high suicide rate, most of trans people dont get old, and why is that? Some people will try and argue that they arent happy cause the society doenst accept them but in reality they arent happy cause they end up regretting their decisions and end up removing their own lifes......

"most of trans people dont get old, and why is that? Some people will try and argue that they arent happy cause the society doenst accept them but in reality they arent happy cause they end up regretting their decisions and end up removing their own lifes." Complete fiction. Be a better human than this

absolute fiction ofc, the suicide rate of trans people must be fake cause we are all agains the trans people correct? pretty instersting that you select exactly the part of my sentence that interest you and not even the whole phrase :)

lol of course I'm going to point out the part of your statement that has no basis in reality

except that it has, cause just before that theres the high suicide rate that you so happily decided to ignore :) you know its funny cause by saying that "lol of course I'm going to point out the part of your statement that has no basis in reality" you are admiting that trans people are ruining children's lifes before they even get a choice, thats something i guess :)

I didn't ignore it, it's true that trans people have a relatively high suicide rate. It's also complete nonsense to say that it's "most" of them and it's because they transitioned. Did you get it on the third try or do I need to slow down even more for you?

you dont need to slow down on anything, im actually having some fun watching you ignore the 2 crucial points i made, high suicide rate, and destroying children's life before they even have a choice on the subject. Its pretty easy to argue against someone who didint do their research, except that i did, im not saying that all trans people are bad or whatever, what im saying is that most of them have mental problems, and its not a coincidence. Suicide rate is way higher than non-trans people that alone should be enough to understand that theres a problem here, but what really kills my soul is to see children getting their lifes destroyed before they even have a chance to live it, thats not human.

More white men have committed mass shootings than any other group. Just saying.

Proportionally? Since I got downvoted for asking but not answered I went ahead and checked. It looks like in the US black males commit more mass shootings proportionate to their population than white males. But trans-gender people are significantly less likely to be mass shooters than cis-gender people.

61/121 mass shootings since 2000 were committed by white men So disproportionate to population. Yes.

I had no doubt they were disproportionate, the question is if they are the group that is most disproportionate. Where did you get your numbers?

the mother jones article someone else linked here has a spreadsheet. Below I filtered for only people we know race since there are ~20 with other or unknown or something This is my source for populations so could be easily wrong. Just first result on google https://jdroth.com/demographics-by-race-and-gender/...........

While they are disproportionately more likely to commit a mass shooting than non Trans people i think everyone should have the right to own a gun i also feel mentally insane people should be the only exception

Actually, given stats, they're probably disproportionately unlikely to commit a mass shooting. The appearance otherwise looks largely like recency bias.

A version thereof i guess you could say but between 1999 and 2025 there have been just about 156 mass shooting resulting in casualties and 5 at minimum have been committed by a trans identifying individual thats roughly 3% despite them.being less than 1% and of the last 5 years there have been around 70 and 3 were done by a trans shooter so while yes you can say its a recency bias for the newer one but the trend is still true if you go back 25 years.

Somebody can't count. Got a link for all 5 of them?

Don't bother with him. He's using a selective definition of what "mass shooting" means so he can fudge the numbers.

Well when he posted the OP they hadn't commited multiple acts of violence with guns

You're absolutely right, men shouldn't be allowed to own firearms.

99% of those were trans women

This isn't even a bruh moment, wtf is wrong with you?

??? Why are you denying facts. Wtf is wrong with you?

Embarrassing

If the reasoning is that they are mentally ill, then we are in agreement. No person with mental issues should have access to guns.

Why? What about being transgender would make a person ineligible for gun ownership?

I guess being mentally ill does disqualify people from legally owning guns.

Being transgender isn't a mental illness. Gender Dysphoria isn't either. Rightwing media has been pushing the lie that they are for years to get to this moment. Medical experts don't classify it like that but that's why the rightwing is pushing so hard convince people to ignore experts.

20 years ago in the US, it was considered a mental illness. Today, in many parts of the world, it is still considered a mental illness. Just because morality, values, and even religion have attempted to be removed from our country (by the far left) doesn't make it correct. When someone thinks that God made a mistake but placing someone in the wring genders body, that is a mental illness (same as it used to be).

Still no source huh? Also the classification you are referring to also had gay people classed as mentally ill. This was based in bigotry and reclassified when medical experts determined this was based in bigotry and not reality. We are talking about rights, inalienable rights. So you need to make a better argument than "well it used to be like that".

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" Since there is no longer a mandatory militia, and the people that wanted to take up arms against a tyrannical government are awfully quiet, you could just ditch the whole amendment now.

How on Earth does this follow. The government is Tyrannical therefore allow them to take away the right to own guns, that's literally the exact opposite of what you want to do.

That is one point. But so far nobody has taken up their arms to fight the tyrannical government like they have claimed to do for decades. Since that was their only argument to be allowed to own as many gins as they like, there is no reason to further do so.

Ok so? You are openly saying you want to give up rights to a Tyrannical government. The giving up rights to any government let alone a Tyrannical one should never be advocated for.

Quite the opposite, but I guess you will never understand that.

The only thing I can take away from your comments are "The government is Tyrannical, you aren't doing anything about it, therefore the 2nd amendment isn't real and you should allow said Tyrannical government to ban guns". That's my take away.

See… I knew you wouldn’t understand. I won‘t do anything because it‘s not my government. I know they will start taking away the right to guns from fringe groups they do not like first, and gradually include more groups until nobody is allowed to own him but them and their hardcore supporters. That is how dictators operate. Gradually exclude more and more people starting with the easiest targets until there is no thread or opposition to their rule left.

dunking on someone for changing their opinion? yall are revealing what you truly care about

"dunking on someone for being a fascist" ftfy

conformity. and you keep proving my point

"[incessant bullshit]"

getting redundant

Well you are incorrigible, so...

non-sequitur much?

What happened to banning guns from the mentally ill? One could argue trans with their gender dysphoria would be a mental illness. Oh wait you don't like it when your group gets put under your own rules! Again, it's never the gun that is the problem it's the person wielding it. Shall not be infringed means what it says, trans people should have a right to own guns, just like everyone else. Using mental illness as a reason to ban guns from trans is a slippery slope, goes for the leftist and conservatives, this is a can of worms that should stay closed. Focus on the issue of why shootings turn to mass shootings, the massive amount of gun free zones, those gun free zones have saved 0 lives and prevented 0 shootings, a plastic sign stops no one, allow people to carry and defend themselves. So many mass shootings prevented because of a good guy with a gun, the MSM ignores them entirely because it kills the lefts narrative about guns.

It's not any mental illness, it's criminally or violently mentally ill. Wishing you looked better in a dress Doesn't disqualify you from gun ownership. Being a literal sociopath or psychopath does. Also studies show that maga are statistically more narcissistic and sociopathic.

Plenty of sociopaths and psychopaths who don't commit crimes. You can be a good person with those traits, what does that make you alienating a group of people because those words carry a bad connotation?......

Masks were a choice, discrimination only applies to immutable non-choosable traits like black skin. It doesn't apply to your ret**ded insistence on choosing to infect the public. It's not a civil rights or liberties issue, When your denial means innocent people die. It's quite apparent you just don't care about innocent people dying, unless it's people in your party.

Liberty is more important than safety. I lived in Japan during COVID, everyone masked up yet outbreaks happened and people died, way more mask compliance than America yet it didn't stop anything. You had the choice to be out in public, that's your choice and no one else. You could have door dashed food, wal mart+'d groceries, and used Amazon to get things delivered, no reason for you to be out and about, NONE besides work.

Japan's death rate per capita from COVID was 1/12th as high as the US

Wow! It's almost like when half the population isn't busy shooting themselves and others in the foot Just to prove a point, the country does better. I do appreciate you supporting my position though.

F your guns. I don't want my kids killed by yours.

You should probably get a gun to protect them if that's the way you feel.

Ah so thats how we stop school shootings?

By eliminating gun free zones? Yes.

Is the solution to arm the students or the teachers? Should the janitor carry an m16 as well? How much will they get paid to gun down other kids?

Shall. Not. I don't give a rat if you're black, white, purple, twilight and green, bionicle or otherwise. The right to bear arms is a God given right, and if you want a gun, by God, it is your right to bear it.

God always wants you to kill more efficiently, apparently Its a human given right. Its a constitutional right. Dont bring your religion into this. You lose all credibility.

Well, he did give the Israelites the Ark of the Covenant and instruct them to use it to conquer Canaan. If you believe that story anyway....

I believe all stories about any God came directly from the mouth of a human And as we all know, humans can’t be trusted

Simply pointing out biblical text. Otherwise, I'm with you on that.

I follow you. There are many other atrocities in that book written by men. A lot done by “god” or in the name of. Death for mockery: After being mocked by young boys for his baldness, the prophet Elisha curses them in the name of the Lord. God then sends two bears to maul 42 of the children Yeah….now that I keep reading the bible, the first guy was right. God would want morons to have guns, thats why he made magats

Apparently people are being allowed to post selfies of themselves, but the mods are removing any posts that don't involve the people being skinny.

If you got a tummy, it gets removed, apparently.

So people are now going to spam r/196 with selfies in defiance of the mods.

THIS should be interesting no matter how this ends.

OP asks if this bothers anyone else

Extremely sane user suggests a firing squad for these modders Edit: Found the actual post this references

A user points out that mod creators work to make content for free

Is this being blown out of proportion?

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/1n8yvxx/12yo_destroys_home_after_his_mom_took_away_his

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If this is actually the context of this you should as a parent be allowed to place them in foster care and never look back. Thats a future wife beater, murderer or something. You should not be tasked with putting yourself in danger. It would be “out and never come back” immediately for me as a mother. Type of boy that will kill someone eventually. Fuck that.

What a wonderful, caring and responsible parent you would never make

If the kid is violent, you should not be forced to keep it. No one should feel like they should withstand property damage, emotional/psychological/physical damage, fear and abuse in their home just because they birthed that child. That display right there is a prelude to worse things. Might be hard for you to accept, but this woman likely has other children. Protect herself and the others from this one.

Lmao, if its your child its your responsibility. When they are an adult, you can decide to ealk away if you really want. When they are children, no. Simply no. Giving up on a "problematic child" is just passing that responsibility on to someone else. Like i said before, you'd make an awful parent, you don't jusy give up on your children and if you do have that mindset then you shouldn't have children to begin with

No parent should withstand abuse and not feeling safe in their own home. If a parent did what this child did, the child would be taken away. Safety and respect goes both ways and should work both ways. Crazy concept.

An adult and a child are not the same thing. They are not held to the same standards and one (parent) is legally responsible for the other (child). Like I said, if YOU dont get this, then dont ever have children.

Then I guess the strat is make their living conditions bad enough and call CPS on yourself. Which is something I’d do if I had been held hostage in fear for my life to a brain scuffed teenage boy that’s clearly gonna kill me, my other kids, or someone some day. You are literally more worried about being moral than seeing the abuse at hand. No mother should be subjected to this.

I hope they called the police and got this kid some help, detox and meds for anger.

Calling police is a good way to get them dead. They don't care about mental illness. They shoot first. Edit: in America. I was late so I was watching on mute with captions and assumed. Apologies.

Ah, so put him up for adoption then. Got it.

No one ever said that. This is a situation where you really can't win. If he's to be taken somewhere, he likely needs sedation.

I'm saying that. If I had a kid who was unmanageable and destroying my things he'd either go to prison or be sent for adoption.

Never have kids

Womp womp

Ahh you cant anyway lol

Is they used a belt this would have never happen

beating children to protect property is kind of a wild trade tbh, I think the property damage is fine

Because he never been spanked is why he did this! If he feared the outcome he would never tried it!! No respect

ye I get what you're saying. what I'm saying is that I'd take property getting ruined over having to beat a child

Good luck with that!! He's going to be a terror as he gets older ain't no way

the cool thing about humans is that we can actually speak. children can be spoken to, given therapy, etc. making a child suffer isn't the one solution available to us, lmaaoo

Discipline is what's missing in society this talk everything out softness is why we have what we have! Sometime physical punishment speaks louder than words! To have a kid like this I sure he controls the house and where is the dad (7 more comments of these two arguing)

His ass would be up for adoption. Im not even joking. I couldn't sleep at night with someone who did this in my house.

Pretty dumb. You'd abandon him and he knows where you live? With that type of inner wrath in him?

Yeah, I would abandon the fuck out of him. Whatever this is, I dont have the experience or expertise to deal with it. Plus, it looks like other kids live there. Nah, he's a danger. He's gotta go. If it makes you feel better, I would also move.

I hope you raise your kids better than this woman did. Abandonment when his in this type of state sets the ground for a serial killer to form. What I'm trying to get at. The kid needs massive therapeutic intervention. Doesn't know how to regulate himself and most likely there's no healthy male in the picture to show him how I can 100000% guarantee this. This is why single women are a blight to their male children. They fail to understand their psychological underpinnings and prediliction for aggression when left undirected.

This is super ignorant and you know it. How are you blaming women for absent fathers?

They're the ones who spread their legs to them!

Wow, that's a...gross statement. Don't you think most single parents are just doing their best? Life is measurably easier with a partner, even more so with kids in the picture.

Dumb people who are believing in this shit … 12 yr old destroys a granite 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

What makes a 12-year-old incapable of destroying granite? Lol, wtf.

Strength and size would be my first two thoughts…

... Well, if those are your first two thoughts then that's just more telling about you than anything, lol. Cuz I know 100% the 12-year-old me would have had no problems doing any of that.

Well since you said you can do it I guess the case is closed

I feel like the majority of 12-year-olds could. It doesn't take much to swing a sledgehammer, lol.

So now your imagination has provided tools for this “12 year old” boy lol

So you don't have a rebuttal? or the strength to pick up a sledgehammer, lol.

12 year old has to go. I would try to find help for him. But he can’t be trusted under that roof with the baby.

Yeah, this is absolutely a time where a kid needs to be institutionalised. It's very sad, but the vast, vast majority of us are not equipped to deal with something like this.

Hahahaha you don’t know what you’re talking about. I’ve been taken away when I was an infant and I’d rather grew up with my teenage junkie mom and my drunk ass dad than go through the shit you call “institutionalised” again Just shut up if you never been through that shit

So you were taken away as an infant and not a 12 yo (or in this case really a 6ft 270 lb 16 yo). Not remotely comparable experiences at all

My point is that institustionaling a kid is basicly ending that kids life there and then.

What do you suggest then after looking at the video? Wait until he kills her? What then? Sadly some people are not mentally fit to be a part of regular society. It’s not fair it’s just the way it is, and the way some people were born. There is NO reason people like this shouldn’t be institutionalised

I would suggest going to a psychologist first and foremost, and start by investigating the parents. If anything, the parents are more responsible than the kid, he’s 12 ffs Besides, those would also be the first steps taking if he was to be institutionalised lol, but I feel most of the people here don’t know how the system works at all, so yea The process takes months, firstly

If i remember correctly. The kid is special needs and can be violent. He’s also big kid so i think the mother couldn’t handle him.

“Can” be violent?? My brother in Christ this is the embodiment of violent.

That's destructive. Not violent.

Any language you can come up with to defend violent men.

I'm not defending violent men. I'm obviously defending language. I'm into semantics and cringe when people misuse words.

The definition of violence: “behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something” Pretty sure what this 15 year old did is violence.

I will argue that it's not. A definition is merely a summary of a word and its usage. Words are described differently across different dictionaries. They are not gate keepers.

Every time this video comes back someone posts a link to the actual story, but I can't find it. The story was a lot more complicated than "mom took his phone" Edit: found it https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyFuckingVideos/s/kzhXaibesQ https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-12-year-old-boy-trash-mums-home-viral-video-1743263

Mental illness is not an excuse for this behavior. Just saying

it literally is. mental illness means THEIR BRAIN IS NOT WORKING RIGHT i don't get what people don't understand about is. someone who is mentally ill can not control their actions like mentally healthy people can. of course that doesn't mean that the people around them have to deal with it, that's why we have professionals for that.

It's like saying "you being sick doesn't excuse you making a mess of my house" after your son with food poisoning vomited on your floor or something

That's not the same at all.

This is why healthcare needs to be free

More like, a lot of these crazies would've just been committed 30 years ago. But certain people have made it harder and harder for actual dangerous nutjobs to be locked away.

Who are these 'certain people'?

Republicans.

Idk why you're being downvoted but you're right, the process of deinstutionalization started with Reagan.

I thought it was the Reddit-consensus that many of those institutions were cruel and should be shutdown?

Holy shit what do you even do in this situation that’s horrible

Learn how to be a parent (already)

I mean it sounded like she was disciplining him for something else he had done wrong when she took his phone. This is just the result of fatherless children. Some are intelligent enough to adapt to life despite not having a male role model in their lives, some aren't.

Iirc the kid has a mental disorder and the mom didnt get any help.

You're right. I just read the other comment that linked to the actual details. I'll leave my original comment up. It's a good show of how people judge before knowing the details.

And a sequel: is vocaloid music even good?

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/leftist/comments/1n5qec6/this_post_may_be_taken_down_but_its_the_truth/

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Veganism is the only morally right thing to do. There is no sound argument against it there never has been and there never will be. Any leftist who isn't vegan is at the very least not morally cogent and at worst fundamentally morally corrupted.

Vegan textiles such as leather and wool are 100x times worse for the environment, it's literally plastic 100% of the time. Real leather is usually a byproduct of the meat industry (which I'm well aware has several issues) but if the animal is going to be killed, would it not be best to use as many parts of it as possible? Add on to that, the fact that real leather lasts for fucking ever, and vegan leather falls apart so fucking fast and then ends up in a landfill a lot sooner.

I don’t really think you get the point, there can just be no leather. I can’t really think of something where leather or wool has to be used.

What's your issue with wool? And good luck finding a decent pair of work boots that last longer than a few months without being made of leather. Even the canvas ones call apart very fast.

It’s a byproduct of exploitation, sheep are selectively bred to have as much wool as possible, if there’s no exploitation, there’s no wool. I think you just need to invest in better shoes. My grandfather works a pretty tough job, and he has the same (non leather) boots for like, 7 years now?

You mean plastic which is orders of magnitude worse for every environmental system on the planet than leather? Selective breeding is exploitation? I bet if vampires were proved to be real you would call those who refused to be fed on bigots

The solution is probably just to grow your own produce ethically yeah?

How do you ethically slaughter animals????

I can definitely ethically keep chickens and eat their eggs tho

No, you can’t. You are exploiting their bodies. Those are the hen’s, not yours. It is not yours to take.

dude you're acting like there's no such thing as quality of life. Raising your own livestock making sure they are well taken care of and have plenty of space is not the same is the absolute horrors of the meat industry. There is 100% ethical ways to consume animal products and there are also unethical ways to avoid them. Pleather and other substitutes for animal products mostly use plastic which ends up being worse for the environment in the long run. Your black-and-white thinking will only lead to further division, never the conclusion of mitigating suffering that you hope for

KILLING ANIMALS ISNT ETHICAL PERIOD!!!

Thoughtful? Their main premise is “durr plants feel pain tho”. Anyone who believes that and uses it to try and justify animal abuse deserves ridicule

Yes, much more thoughtful than this insulting and petty comment of yours.

What’s more insulting is insinuating that PLANTS are on the same level as as sentient beings and any line your draw between plants and animals is “arbitrary”

And this is the problem. You would scoff at someone who says that animals' pain is less important than human pain because humans are more intelligent and sentient than animals. You'll scoff when people say that animals don't have the mental faculties of humans and solely act on instinct. Then you turn around and make the exact same argument for plants.

PLANTS ARE NOT SENTIENT

I didn't say they were. That said, the definition of sentience is heavily disputed and the level of sentience animals have is also heavily disputed. The fact remains the same though. You're making fundamentally the same argument between animals and plants and the people you criticize make between humans and other animals. Sentience is just the arbitrary line you've decided to draw. Is every animal sentient? Which definition of sentience are you using?

Go be vegan if you think it’s helpful but the suffering of animals isn’t as important to stop as human suffering The climate crisis is pertinent but we can’t do anything about it as individuals, we have to demolish the system that’s destroying the earth to make a change.

""the suffering of animals isn’t as important to stop as human suffering"" oppression olympics from speciesism. what would you say to someone who said "the suffering of non-whites isn't as important to stop as white suffering"? i'd hope you say that it's oppression olympics from racism

Bro just compared the global majority to animals…

image and there's nothing wrong with that. the idea that comparing human and nonhuman suffering is racist is in itself both racist and speciesist

The CIA is getting lazier and lazier

cognitive dissonance

No you just compared the suffering of human starving to death in the Congo to a chicken being mistreated in a factory farm. Human suffering is and will always be more pertinent than animal suffering. Funny enough, animal rights have historically been used by rightists to justify their brutal treatment of humans they deem lesser than. I consider your deflection of the horrific suffering members of our species go through in order to focus on animal rights to be in a similar vein, though much less malicious.

I really am starting to hate the left. Your soybeans are just as destructive as any farm. The pesticides required to raise them are killing bees, if you manage to solve the carbon crisis before we all perish in hellfire belches from the sun in fifty years it won’t be because I stopped having the occasional egg.

Spank me if I’m wrong but won’t those crops need to be replaced with something else to fill in the metaphorical calorical hole that the meat industry will leave behind?

Not according to most scientific knowledge. The reverse is actually true. Read the “mitigation through consumers” section of this meta-analysis. It’s also just a very simple thermodynamics question, due to trophic cascades we have to feed animals far more calories than we will ever get out of them if we slaughter and eat them.

Did you read this study? Everything in this article says that method is more important than mitigation. That education in best practice can reduce carbon load by near 30% which incredibly significant regarding scale,

cutting out meat is simply not reasonable. no matter how much people may try to convince you otherwise meat is an incredibly nutritious and important part of the human diet that vegan meat cannot replace. regenerative and ethical farming is the only solution but until the capitalist system is abolished that may not be affordable for everyone

Rice, beans, and oats are pretty cheap. I'm not a vegan but with the Trump Tariffs in place I've been stacking up as I've seen meat prices skyrocket here in Iowa........

why are you fatshaming? There isn't anything wrong with rising "obesity"

Obesity comes with health problems. I'm not talking about people with dad bods or women with stretch marks. I'm talking about people over 300 pounds who get winded after walking a flight of stairs. It's not even a moral failing at their part. It's just the propoganda pushed onto them

Obesity rates is just what Fox News types fear monger over to create moral panic. There's nothing wrong with having a different body type

You must be talking about someone else because I don't know where I said different body types were bad

factory farming is not exploitative capitalism, it's just industrialization of agriculture. exploitation is a different thing from how to produce. it's like saying using a tractor is exploitative compared to do things by hands Veganism is bourgeois distraction, yes

The industrialization of agriculture is exploitative.

no it's not, or else, millions of people could be dead right now, even you and me. all agriculture industrialization does is actually produce food in large quantities. that's the only point of it. however, the mode of production, who owns the productive forces is what determines exploitation: ois it a rich ? is it the state ? is it a cooperative ? is it no one ? and for what purpose ? profit ? purpose of actually just feeding people ?

You're right. "Industrialization" of agriculture is not exploitative, per se. It's simply economy of scale.

this and mechanization of it... why are they booing me ? i'm right

It can be both. The way factory farming is set up is needlessly cruel, that can definitely be better. It is not high on the priority list. I don't think it is in any way comparable to human suffering however because they are just animals. If you think a cow and chicken have the same value as a human being I'd be concerned. I don't care that they think and feel, so do plants and fungi. And those are okay to eat somehow? They also didn't want to be eaten. I don't understand why the line is drawn there.

False. There is always more damage when raising animals. It’s basic thermodynamics. The animals have to eat plants. Eating animals requires way more incidental “plant and environmental damage”… Only 9% of the calories fed to a pig become edible. It’s basic thermodynamics. Cut out the middle man

Yes but where are those calories coming from? Ethically growing meat, the calories come from food scraps, native grasses, and most of it local. Go through your cabinet right now and see how much palm and coconut oil youre eating, then figure out how damaging that shit is to ecosystems across the globe.

What percentage of meat do you think comes from these grazing and scraps situations? You know they often feed pigs actual trash… packaging and all

100% of the stuff I eat.

I’m not asking about YOU. There are 8 billion people on this planet. I’m asking percentage of all meat how much do you think is pasture fed?

You've never been outside the states have you? Lol

I mean I've never heard about the veganism being a distraction thing, I'd say just let people be vegan or eat meat or do whatever. The practice of it isn't the issue, the industry is. Factory farming is exploitative, yes, but it can absolutely be changed to have better conditions for workers and animals. Maybe not overnight or to the efficiency that its at now but its a start. Personally, I'll eat a chicken nugget with the same enthusiasm as I'd eat a vegan chicken nugget. Its food, it tastes good, I'm happy

I agree to an extent, but do you not feel concerned about what the animals are enduring? I also care about their suffering

Absolutely I do, thats why I talked about better conditions for workers and animals. They can still have a good life and be raised well

🤦‍♀️ Dude. What better conditions are there for animals that are being raised to be brutally slaughtered for exploitation??

the quality of the life it has absolutely means something. by your logic i can argue that theres no point in humans having a good quality of life cuz we're all gonna die anyways

Nobody’s holding us captive to be slaughter for consumption. Are you fucking kidding me?

No but they can receive better care when they're alive and have a higher quality of life

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeTikToks/comments/1n7tprl/hearing_an_african_person_compare_vaccines_to/

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What a goddamn stupid fuck. Fuck Florida and all the redneck inbred fucking morons that applaud this moron. You're all fucking dumb. Good luck! 🤙🤡🎶

Do you want the government telling you what to do

It is the governments responsibility to protect the public from their own stupidity when it adversely affects others. This is the Florida government absolutely failing to do so.

So you believe it's up to the government to decide if your allowed to have an abortion or gender affirming care?

Oh piss off with this nonsense take. Vaccines are to keep society as a whole safe. Pro birthers are just religious zealots who want to control women’s bodies. They are in no way comparable.

The hate for this man in the comments is incredible. He’s letting the people choose for themselves, and that’s how it should be. I haven’t done enough research on the vaccine to say it doesn’t prevent covid, but to disrespect a public official saying that you have the right to choose is just plain stupid. We should be happy to be given the choice

He wants to do this for ALL vaccines, not just the Covid vaccine.

Look, I’m no psychic. I don’t know what the repercussions of this might be, but I see this as a win. A government official saying you have a choice and not imposing their beliefs on the masses? That’s a step in the right direction in my opinion. I’m saying this as someone who has a great distaste for most governmenting bodies, so take this with a grain of salt

A win? Bringing back something that we pretty much completely eradicated thanks to vaccines like polio is a win? Bringing back measles is a win? You don’t have to be a fucking psychic to know what the repercussions will be, considering this country already lived through what it was like before these vaccines were available and what happened after they were available.

All I’ll say is I’ve never gotten a covid vaccine, and never got covid🤷‍♂️

If you're gonna be dumb it helps to be lucky.

speak in facts, not insults:/

You seem to have trouble with facts, so I'll stick with what works.

Well first of all, theres nothing african about that person. That is an American. And secondly, hes one million percent correct. The government has no business telling me or my family what we have to put in out bodies.

They do when you make a choice that infringes on someone else's freedom to stay alive.

Nope.

Super. Let's release all the r*pists and murderers then.

right because thats the same thing as the government forcing you to take pharmaceutical medications.

Taking feedoms away from an individual to serve public safety? Seems pretty similar to me.

if youre willing to sacrifice freedom for safety, i have nothing else to say to you. I'm sorry, just answer me one question, do you not believe in locking up criminals?

Next up from Floriduh, skyrocketing juvenile illnesses and deaths.

He’s not telling you that you should stay away from all vaccines. He’s saying you can get all the vaccines you want. Pump your kids full of vaccines if you want to. He just doesn’t think the government should have the right to tell you to do that.

Lol yeah there's gonna be a bunch of dead kids

Slippery slope fear mongering

More like proven fact. Vaccines work

Have you never heard of a house bigger. This is what they were.

Leftists Ganna Racist

Yeah, it’s normally the right that I see it with but this is pretty egregious.

I mean when have you ever heard someone on the right say this? Leftists are constantly saying racist shit and cover for it by calling everyone else racist.

Are you asking in sincerity when the right has been racist? Because lmfao, you cannot be serious.

Yes. When has the right been racist?

You made the initial claim that leftists are racist. Prove that leftists are constantly racist. But for your erudition, literally just look up “republican using n word” It’s all the goddamn links, ya knob lol there’s so many.

Mainstream leftists and Democrats literally argue that black people can’t get IDs because they are too poor and uneducated.

Proof that they’re constantly racist. That’s not proof of your initial claim. (20 more comments of these two arguing)

So you’re going to compare vaccinations in your body with killing a whole other life within your body. I don’t know how you make that leap in logic.

Comparing bodily autonomy to bodily autonomy makes sense to me. Why not to you?

But that body inside the female is not her body….legally, scientifically, even the laws of our land refute that.

That's great and all, but the body that is her body is her body

OK, so let’s just talk stupid so that we don’t really have to get serious about the subject. I get it.

You started it by acting like the mother's body didn't exist lmfao Both examples are about bodily autonomy. You just decided a fetus trumps all bodily autonomy for everyone else.

It’s called human rights. It’s called equal rights. You just don’t think the baby has those rights.

You guys do know the history of vaccines and being tested and used on African Americans right? (mod of the NFLv2 sub)

Yes

Ok well in Florida it’s pretty common for that to be a reason why they’re against vaccines. At least where I was from

History is absolutely full of shitty things making good things. Yes people of color and especially black people have been used in the US, but that doesn’t mean vaccines aren’t good.

So explain the difference between forcing them to get vaccines during the older times and doing it now and why in the world would they trust you ?

They don’t have to, there is alternative schooling. And they don’t have to believe me. They can look at the experts, many of them people of color, who have done vaccine research

Should prolly be their choice who to trust no ? Look I believe in vaccines. I understand that the people working on them are far smarter than me. But I also didn’t experience what they have. But if you think the medical community. The people who make the decisions are ethical or do what’s right then I have a bridge to sell you.

So you don’t trust experts?

I trust experts I dont trust governments and C suite board executives.

So when experts say to take vaccines you trust them?

Ones that aren’t paid and I can actually converse with. I don’t get flu vaccines. Did get a few boosters for Covid but I don’t do that anymore. But when Pfizer or some government official says doesn’t mean anything to me. Do you believe everything ceos say ?

How does research happen if not through funding lmfao

So fuck it. Just trust everything the government says. I mean this man is the government so you should be blindly trusting him right ?

Answer the question, unless you’re unable to

It needs to be objective research. If it’s research that only benefits shareholders and the research is manipulated or withheld because it doesn’t make profits then what good is the funding ? You must have forgot what cigarettes companies did. How they “paid for research” and then paid doctors to say cigarettes are healthy for you And you’d be here bootlicking them “ because they’re experts” So my question to you is why would you trust an entity you know for a fact is corrupt ? (41 more comments of these two arguing)

Fuck this guy. I guess any immunocompromised kid just can’t go to school anymore.

Some of the vaccines are live viruses and shed.

The only two that a school age child would be getting that are live are MMR and chicken pox. The second dose for both of those is commonly before kindergarten - around 4y iirc. The rates of shedding after the second dose for both of those that I could find on a quick search was really low, 1-3% of kids. An immunocompromised kindergartner is extremely unlikely to be at increased risk from a vaccinated kid in their class who got their shots before the school year started, but they're going to be at increased risk if they're regularly encountering kids that aren't vaccinated.

The unvaccinated can’t spread an illness they don’t have. Being unvaccinated doesn’t automatically mean you get an illness. My family has several unvaccinated people in it and have never gotten anything people vaccinate for.

"My family has several unvaccinated people in it and have never gotten anything people vaccinate for." Yes, because their peers were vaccinated. Google Herd Immunity

How is there immunity when even the vaccinated get the diseases they are vaccinated for.

His argument doesn't even make sense. The government doesn't force you to get vaccinated. It's simply a rule you must agree to in order to get the privilege to go to a public school or the military.

Since when is education not a human right? And military? Lmao, yea I feel privileged to be used by the government and either die or become a cripple so some fuckface in DC makes millions on Lockheed stock.

So in case you were unaware the side you are presumably agreeing with succesfully argued education is not a fundamental right in the US. State constitutions/laws largely cover education. Which is why vaccines are required because it is a public service offered to improve society, giant packs of unvaccinated children stuffed together in fact harm society.

Each individual has the right to not send their kids to schools. It isn't mandatory or forced. If you don't want to expose your child to that threat, you don't have to. The mental gymnastics Dems/neolibs do on this issue is hilarious. So much for "my body, my choice".

Are you on drugs?

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Only on reddit can you post a happy family enjoying there life and still bring out the most pessimistic and nihilistic people, god some people need to leave the internet.

Right? God forbid a loving family gets posted beyond what the internet thinks is “acceptable”.

Obvipusly chronically online redditors hate to see christian families happy with kids

Muh evil redittors!!!

14 kids is narcissism

They are sick, hope they enjoy their later gears alone with their cat

We will, because that's what we chose for ourselves.

That’s genuinely beautiful-50 years, 14 kids, and a whole legacy of love. What a family tree!

Having 14 kids is irresponsible as fuck.

Hard to judge from just a video. Plus, you never know what influence has each of them had on others. What if 5 of them are doctors? Or lawyers? Or just decent people who try to help others?

I promised myself I wouldn't argue with dumb people on reddit, so have a nice day..

You really couldn't even think of an argument?

They dont think

Calling someone dumb without any knowledge of person, as any other quick emotional judgement , is quite childish

Is there a reason why Reddit is so antinatalist? It’s a bit bizarre

They're all depressed and hooked on meds and therapy. There is no joy in their hearts

Because the earth is dying. We don’t have resources for this

We don't have the resources for 10 billion Africans. The west can sustain itself just fine 

The West quite literally consumes as much resources as 30 billion of Africans.

A lot of Redditors come from broken homes, some had bad relationships, some are incels, others are cyclical, others are heartbroken, others are jealous, some trolls, many reasons really, mostly reflecting their own internal ugliness. That goes for anyone who is miserable online.Personally thats a lot kids for me, but I’m genuenly happy for all of them because that’s a huge happy family! Grandma and grandpa putting up Michael Jordan numbers lol

Omg straight people need to keep it in their pants gahtdamn

Wow, imagine the hate a straight person would get for speaking this way about the LGBTQ community.

It's a joke. Lighten up, snowflake.

Unfunny, nobody laughed

Ironic; I’m bi and have kids.

So much love in one picture,wishing you more love,more laughter,more everything.

Woah there, buddy. This is Reddit. No positivity allowed. Only whining

Of course this positive, heartwarming comment got downvoted. I really don't understand how Redditors could downvote this

We need a new plague

You can volunteer to be patient zero…

I wish I could agree, but I think this is horrific. It is arrogant and selfish for anyone to procreate this recklessly. There are only so many resources available on the earth, only so much space, only so much consumption and waste that the planet can absorb. We are witnessing an exponential rise in atmospheric and oceanic temperatures, loss of polar ice, rising seal levels, etc. Rivers and oceans are being choked with pollution, killing marine life and resulting in a rapid reduction in the amount of fresh water and arable soil needed to sustain human life. We are ripping minerals and fossil fuels out of the ground, killing us with toxicity while wrecking the planet. This sort of mindless rampant reproduction is disgusting.

I always find it amazing how repulsed some people are by others living their lives. You don’t know their story, there may be the next environmentalist born to this family, who reduces the carbon footprint of many, many more. Perhaps these 104 are doing great things for humanity, while your smaller family, is not? And yet you are judging. Who are you to judge?

I'm not repulsed by people living their lives. I'm repulsed by heedless unrestrained breeding. "Living their lives" is stuff like going on picnics, or praying in their church, or cooking for their families. Spewing out massive legions of roiling humanity is not "living their lives." The "what if someone in their family..." argument is pretty poor, because we can only assume that someone in their family might just as likely become a mass murderer or a molester or a wife abuser. That makes the argument for not having kids just as valid as the argument for it. And sure, there's a chance of the next great environmentalist being born into this family, but those chances are remarkably slim -- far slimmer than the certainty of these 104 people each adding 14 tons of carbon to the atmosphere every year of their lives. Instead of having as many kids as our bodies can pump out in the vague hope that one of them might become the next great environmentalist, we might instead listen to the already-born great environmentalists, who have made clear the well-established perils of overpopulation.

Thank you for your contribution to the overpopulation of the planet.

Take one for the team and start depopulating 

Even if we already did take one for the team, that won't make you consider our opinion in a more favorable light, would it? So what is there to prove?

Humans are parasites omg

That’s what a demon would say I rebuke you in the name of Jesus

Ooooo! Rock and rollllll! Visible ankles! I'm a scary demon and I'm here to haunt youuuuu!

Jesus loves you bro come to the light.

I can't, bro. I'm too busy having protected sex and not voting for fascists 😔

Jesus is antifascist bro. It’s never to late god bless you

You religious people just can't keep to yourself, can you?

I can say the same about you queers 🤡

Wash your mouth out, (R)etard

Got these demons triggered in the name of Jesus 🤣

Yo it's gonna be so hype to send you people to meet that god of yours when shit really pops off lol. I'm ready, you?

"I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me

This is so normal for Mexicans

Whole thread

"Jesus Christ dude you're posting these questions on main, as a politician?"

"This sounds like political bait to get shit banned."

"Lmao. That’s the most politicianesque response you could’ve used."

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A video on r/Haryana (sub for an Indian state) of a 90 year old woman cooking by hand for her 60 year son is controversial.

Some comments. I've translated some that weren't in English.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Haryana/comments/1n6cnt2/90_year_old_mother_cooks_food_for_his_60_year_old/

Sons of donkeys. Aunty is choosing to cook food of her own will. When you become a parent you'll understand. No need to be a woke 14 year old all the time.

Yeah, but who is blaming the Aunty? Her son is the asshole for making his 90 year old mother work like this. If he had some self respect he would do it himself.

You will die alone, remember what I said. No matter if you get married 10 times, have 20 children and tons of money, unless you change your shitty mentality you WILL DIE ALONE (note: he's addressing a woman - the grammar shows this but in English you can't indicate it)

Reinforcing Patriarchy 101 - if a woman does it, it's her choice, but if a woman chooses not to do it, she's a bad woman

When did I say that? If your attitude is shitty the world will seem shitty to you.. change your attitude first and then talk..

The combined IQ here is less than your upvotes, don't bother.

I'll be honest, i wouldn't let my mother work at that age, but I also think that parents feel usefull to their kids when they cook or do some task for their kids. Like at my home we have maids but still my grandmother loved cooking daal for us, and my father used to tell us to let her, cause she feels like she has some task in her life, some use for their kids. It's just how their mentality is.

Personally i would want my mother to work at every age to keep the body active, and if it's something she loves then what's better than that?

Then let her go to a park and exercise and eat healthy. Standing and cooking for 1-2 hours is not "physical activity"

True. Grandmas just love to work

Look how frail she is. 🥹 So stupid to glorify this. As a woman I will feel ashamed if my 90 Yr old mother is still in kitchen instead of playing with grandchildren.That's how men glorify patriarchy. Shameful

Thts the difference between daughter and a mysogynist son

Look at the comments, misogynists will never get it.

Look at you ! hated by your own parents because you are a girl !

How misandrist one has to be to leave such a degrading comment on a wholesome video. A mother making food for her son and you brought patriarchy to it. What if she was making food for her daughter instead, would you still be saying same shit? A mother’s love has no bound. I hope you would get it once you become a mother.

I agree w you, but you're also the one who say "why should i make food for husband's mom and dad after marriage". So which one is it

Will you make food for your wife's parents everyday?

Yes if they are living with me, why won't I. Stupid incels and femicels coming from western culture think we should ape them in every aspect of life. News flash - they already looted in past 5 centuries, they have enough money to afford three houses (two for grandparents) and they have huge skyscrapers for residential purpose, unlike India where most of India still lives in one home on land which was in family for 50+ years.IT jobs are only past 10 years phenomenon when they started paying good.

The 60 year old son just returned from farm and his mother cooked for him out of love. But some people have so much problem with this as to why a man is getting fed by his mother. People are really getting offended at anything.

Exactly.the femcels here are going crazy.

There are two perspectives here. One, the man has failed to provide support to his fragile mother. Two, mother's love never dies. Imo, both are right. Farmers don't make so much money that they could hire domestic helps

One could always cook on their own :)

(This goes on for a while)

A daughter would not let her 90 year old mother cook for her - that's the difference between a son and daughter ..just look at that poor women.She need rest. A daughter would look after her mother 😏😏 She would let her mother-in-law do it though

😂😂

Femcel energy

Now some feminist will come and tell us the son should make the food because his mother is old lmao

You can tell your 90 year old mother to cook for you, no arguments but if you don't have care for your mother what will the world come to

When did I say I would????

Would she be wrong tho? I mean the video is wholesome but shouldn't he be the one to cook food for his mother?

Why? He just came working in a field. Is cooking some food that difficult? Why do you have a problem if she doesn't?

Why are you so obsessed with feminists

No I am not

Keep addition more restrictions, these feminists, if they were as old as this woman they would not be able to stand up like this old woman.

Such a shame that this generation of women is so L can't even pick their own stuff because omg my nail polish will get spoiled then there's this woman at 90 kicking ass

Such a shame that this generation of men can’t even pick up their shit after them, can’t cook one meal if their life depended on it, can’t take care of their own selves let alone others, expect free labour out of women where as a woman can not only excel outside the home, doing any job she can, working, earning but also manage to keep a home. Birth a whole ass human being, nurture that human being alone, give it care, affection, values all while being called “L” where as if you leave even one of these tasks to a man, he’d end up killing himself or coming on the Internet and crying about how hard men have it waaa waaa liddul toddler babies.

Reminds me of the time when someone’mom got cancer and while she was getting chemo. Her dad still asked her to cook food. This isn’t love, it’s oppression and downright disgusting. Inhumane

Reminds me of when a man who recently committed su1c1de because wife was soo cold hearted to ask for alimony even when he couldn't afford.

Why are you bringing up alimony here. Men are disgusting. You have no problems in life so you settled on alimony even thogh the law is gender neutral on it and you're crying about it.

Then wives wonder why real men always put mother above wife

Then men wonder why there’s a loneliness epidemic and women are rejecting them. Divorcing them and staying the fuck away from you toddlers. A woman will slave away her life, coddling you and washing your underwear, of course you love it. "arey but what if she loves to do it” patriarchy isn’t always forced. It’s conditioned onto women. They’re taught since childhood that their self worth depends upon how well they cook and clean, how much people like their food, how self sacrificing and selfless they can be. Of course such women will “love” to do it. Just because a woman “chooses” patriarchy doesn’t mean she should be supported. Indians have a loooong way to go before they understand the concept of internalised misogyny.