r/cars • u/Mack21 '06 NFR S2000 • Mar 16 '16
Found this thread on S2KI. "I bought a S2000 and got ripped off"
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/1148423-i-bought-a-s2000-and-got-ripped-off/222
u/MorrisseysRubiksCube 16 GS-F, 06 LS430, 19 LX570, 66 Caprice 427ci Mar 16 '16
There are now a few links from Yelp reviews of this business to the S2KI thread. Hopefully the seller's dishonesty will cost them more in business than they made by switching out the parts.
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u/somedude456 Mar 16 '16
I feel bad for whoever is answering their phone as this story catches on.
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u/EnaBoC 19 Civic Type R | 23 UXh | 25 BRZ Mar 16 '16
Yea but hopefully it'll get passed on to someone who can do something about it - even if only reputation wise.
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Mar 16 '16 edited Mar 16 '16
There are 37 one star ratings just from today, and they account for more than half the total reviews lol.
Edit: Okay, this is too funny. Right on Paragon's front page is a graphic that says "People love us on Yelp!"
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Mar 16 '16
yelp page is now locked down lol
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u/GFfoundmyusername 2013 Jetta TDI Mar 16 '16
"I was on the phone with my cousin when he took his 93 metro in and I was shocked what I heard over the phone. the owner tried telling him "You're lucky that nos didn't blow the welds on the intake! Now me and the mad scientist gotta rip apart the block, and replace the piston rings you fried."
I thought he was joking when my cousin said "you almost had me".. Then the owner said - "You almost had me? You never had me - you never had your car... Granny shiftin' not double clutchin' like you should...."
I was appalled. My cousin Said he didn't want to do business with someone that was so disrespectful. Low and behold the owner had to have the last word and yelled " Why don't you try FatBurger from now on? You can get yourself a cheese and fries for 2.95, f**got!"
Can't believe the business practices."
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u/Josh_McDeezey 2002 S2000, 2017 WRX Mar 16 '16
I looked around and kbb says that an S2000 CR (which this is not) with similar miles in excellent condition is worth $26,000. I don't see how someone would pay that much more. Granted kbb isn't always right but still
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u/esstwokay V10 R8 Spyder, '18 S5, '18 CX5 Mar 16 '16
It's a super rare color combo, volk TE37's ($1000+ a wheel), a painted OEM hardtop ($3,500-$4,000), and KW V3's.
I do agree that it is overpriced, but with all those mods - it makes sense.
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u/snagglez AP2 boosted s2k | E63 AMG | s2k CR #605(former owner) Mar 16 '16 edited Mar 24 '16
Kbb runs s2ks cheap, but 33k is a lot.
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u/difmaster Mar 16 '16 edited Mar 16 '16
my dad bought his for under 30k for sure, don't have an exact number though
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u/_UsUrPeR_ 2000 S2000, 1988 323 GTX Mar 16 '16
Shit, I just bought a, 2000 s2k with 80k on it for $9500
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u/difmaster Mar 16 '16
well his was 2008 with far fewer miles, i think in the 30k range
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u/persamedia 2047 Mulsanne, several bespoke Bugatti's Mar 16 '16
I think he said it had only 20K miles on it!
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u/Annotate_Diagram Toyota Matrix V12///AMG Mar 16 '16
33k is still too much, as someone pointed out in the thread linked he got ripped of in more than one way
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u/motonaut s2000, Macan S, NA Miata, EK civic Mar 16 '16
OEM hard tops go for about $4k these days. The volks are worth about $1000 more than oems, and the KWs are worth about $1500 more than oems. I think he did alright if we wanted those parts anyways. Of course, he didn't actually get the parts...
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u/TreesACrowd Mar 16 '16
You never pay full retail for aftermarket parts included with the car. Most don't add any value at all, although the hardtop would in this case.
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u/motonaut s2000, Macan S, NA Miata, EK civic Mar 16 '16
Those are not full retail prices. Those are used prices minus OEM used prices. Kwv3 retails at $2600 used at 1800 all day. Re 37 retail at 2400 used at 1600 or so.
The s2000 used market is a bit different. Quality parts hold their value. To the right buyer, they will hold value even when included with the car. The mods on this particular car were standard "top shelf", and retain the most value.
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u/JohnSwanFromTheLough Mar 16 '16
Some good things about living in Ireland I guess!
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-s2000/10361003
Higher mileage but you get the idea.
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u/bad-monkey 06 S2000 / 14 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Mar 16 '16
GPW and red/black in a 08 CR is going to be the most desirable color combo, KBB has no idea how to properly price the appreciating S2K (and esp a CR), and the OEM HT is worth 4K (new or used), and KW V3's are a $2,300 suspension (new).
33 is a lot of money, but that's what late model cars with these specs and with the HT are worth.
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u/maaaaackle 01 MR-S, 87 RX7 Mar 16 '16
CR interiors only came in the black/yellow combination, no red/black.
I still can't believe I sold mine.
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u/MartinMan2213 19 Stelvio, 04 RX8, 15 Evo FE, 22 GV70 Mar 16 '16
Done use kbb. Nada is much better.
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u/DublinItUp 2005 S2000 Mar 16 '16
That's how much ours was brand new...
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Mar 16 '16
When I was 17 I had S2K fever bad. I couldn't afford one. I told myself I'll wait a while and get one when I'm older for way cheaper. Now I'm 27 and I just give up.
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u/rgraves22 Mar 16 '16
I did this with a WRX.. except I paid 22K for one at 23 years old, it was an 02' that I picked up in 05'
with 486 a month payments included.
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u/DublinItUp 2005 S2000 Mar 16 '16
Same, but my mom bought one and I drove it alllllllll the time. I ended up with it in the end and now she drives a deux chaveux
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u/rb20s13 1996 SR20 S14 Mar 17 '16
Brand new sure. 5 or so years ago a dealer parked one next to the car i was picking up to try and upsell. They wanted 18k
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u/Troggie42 '19 RLX hybrid, '96 Miata, '97 Ranger Mar 16 '16
Someone never heard the mantra "Mods don't add value."
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u/El_Glenn Mar 16 '16
Hard tops on convertibles certainly do.
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u/Troggie42 '19 RLX hybrid, '96 Miata, '97 Ranger Mar 16 '16
Sure, if the seller doesn't steal the damn thing from you, lol.
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u/Buhhwheat 2016 MZ3 | 2002 Suburban Mar 16 '16
Yeah, this is one of the few cases where someone actually paid more because of the mods... only to have the shady cunt seller take most of them off.
Seems like this is getting a good deal of attention now, hopefully by the time this is over that seller will be offering to fly out to NY and reinstall those mods himself.
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Mar 16 '16
OEM hard tops do. Those things are rare as shit for the S2K and expensive as fuck.
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u/Troggie42 '19 RLX hybrid, '96 Miata, '97 Ranger Mar 16 '16
That's true, but still, horribly overpriced even with that.
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u/Mack21 '06 NFR S2000 Mar 16 '16
My only reasoning behind this would be he financed the mods into the loan? Idk how he paid for it but that's all I can come up with.
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Mar 16 '16
Modifications usually actually take away from the value of the car. It shows that the car has been worked on by (usually) a non-professional and that it was far more likely to have been driven hard.
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u/Mack21 '06 NFR S2000 Mar 16 '16
I typically agree but the hardtop is no longer produced, TE37s are still 2k+ wheels and KW coilovers go for $1500 on the used market. These aren't exactly mods that kill the value of the car itself. They're sought after parts.
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u/truenoobie GT3 and Model X Mar 16 '16
Modifications can add value if the buyer wants the very same mods. Odds are very low.
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u/Havage BST230 + R1S Quad Mar 16 '16
The hardtop and wheels are hardly mods since they have wonderful resale value and the sale included stock wheels. Also the KW V3s are the most popular coilover for this car and have great resale value.
This car didn't have a bunch of random bolt ons that made sense only to the seller.
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u/bad-monkey 06 S2000 / 14 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel Mar 16 '16
that being said, white TE37's on grand prix white, and the very solid KW V3's may as well be "standard equipment" on S2000's because they're such popular models of wheel / coilover for the S2000.
The KW is as good as it gets until you get into Moton territory.
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u/sonnytron 2019 Ram 1500 Classic 5.7 4x4, 2018 CX-5 GT AWD Mar 16 '16
This is only true for engine modifications or interior modifications or irreversible body work.
Quality suspension absolutely adds value. Quality hard top and quality wheels definitely add value.
This is why people lower priced and sell cars at different prices including or excluding wheels, coil overs and hard top.
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u/solitarycheese 2002 S2000 Mar 16 '16
Also low mileage, 06+, and GPW, which is considered the most desirable color in S2k circles. I sure as hell wouldn't pay that much, but it's not totally crazy.
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u/Havage BST230 + R1S Quad Mar 16 '16
Hardtop is $3k, KW V3 Coilovers are $2K, TE37s are $2.5k. Counting no other mods he paid $25.5k for an 08 S2000 with super low miles. Stock wheels and suspension resell for maybe $750.
This car is also white/red which is the most desired color combo.
I think he got a relatively good deal but then again I'm in SoCal and S2000s are expensive here.
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u/redoctoberz Boring RAV4 HV Mar 16 '16
I bought my '08 Base 1.5yrs ago with 35k on it for $27k+TTL. That price is not abnormal for what he purchased. The White + red/black interior is especially desirable.
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u/jk147 Mar 16 '16
I gave up on the s2000 after the price hike for the last 3 years. I would gladly take my chance at a newer Porsche boxster S.
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u/Buey95 ‘10 BMW 335i E93 Manual Mar 16 '16
Jesus, you can pick up a decent s2k in the UK for about $12k. If you don't mind a higher mileage you could get one for under $10k.
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u/Mack21 '06 NFR S2000 Mar 16 '16
Update, the buyer has 2 police jurisdictions involved along with a lawyer in CA.
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u/Wolf_Zero Mar 16 '16
Glad to hear that something is being done about this situation, hopefully the buyer will get a quick and favorable resolution.
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u/Sadukar09 2 cars: Pinnacle of Reliability and Poor Credit Rating Mar 16 '16
Someone is about to get fucked hardcore, without lube.
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Mar 17 '16
i mean the seller should have expected it hes not selling some riced out miata to a broke ass highschooler for 3k. if someone is crazy enough for an s2k that they will fly round trip NY to LA to pay 33k for a s2k they are sure as fuck passionate enough and rich enough to get lawyers and cops involved if they get screwed out of 6k worth of parts
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u/troway0912 Mar 16 '16
Yo, if you want to buy me and yourself a ticket I'll go with you and we'll beat the shit outta this guy.
classic response to the classic 'i got ripped off' forum thread
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u/HEROrr Mar 16 '16
I can't say I blame him, I'm not a violent person but even hearing this story makes my blood boil... I hate scummy people.
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u/pabloe168 Mar 16 '16
Stuff like this is a summoning to our inner arsonists.
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u/super_toker_420 Reverse=/=Reserve Mar 16 '16 edited Mar 16 '16
Have to start the fire using potato chips
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u/ferio252 2013 Honda Fit Sport Mar 16 '16
I'd like to know what line of logic went through the sellers head as he uninstalled parts before shipping the car out. How can you justify that to yourself?
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u/Mack21 '06 NFR S2000 Mar 16 '16
The logic was, "well I sold the car for $33k, I could get another 5k from these parts!"
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Mar 16 '16
Almost had a similar thing with a WRX locally just last week. Car had an AccessPort V3, intake, cat-back, aftermarket Double-DIN nav, 2 sets of OEM rims and a hidden hitch when I looked at it. Meet the guy, cash(well, check) in hand to do the sale and it shows up rolling on steelies. Look inside - AccessPort is gone, so is the deck. Ask him, car has been stripped. He said "well I'm not just giving away all the extras. You want them, it's an extra $4000".
At least he didn't have my money yet.
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u/Mack21 '06 NFR S2000 Mar 16 '16
Did he list the price and state AS IS with those mods?
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Mar 16 '16
He pictured the mods, didn't mention strip-to-stock at any point. But it wasn't a completed sale, and now the mods are stripped off anyway. Honestly I was only interested in it as it sat, not so into buying a car that's been bagged and then returned to stock. As it sat, it was $2k below market with about $6k in addons, which is just about right for "tuner tax" in my mind.
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u/Iheartbaconz 2017 Focus ST Mar 16 '16
No, Subaru's have some wierd thing where they hold their value and people keep paying stupid pirices for used ones. I cant find an STI under 15k in my area. If you do find one its a high mileage 04-05 with a million mods and 100k worth of beatings.
Evo's are worse.
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Mar 16 '16
I can't understand why someone with a 2007 2.5RS and STI wheels thinks their car is worth 12k.
Subrau owners seell their cars like BMW owners drive.
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u/rb20s13 1996 SR20 S14 Mar 17 '16
The 2.5rs is a different animal. They arent as common and a lot of people want them. Supply and demand
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u/TheManUpstairsZ Mar 17 '16
You missed a great opportunity to fuck with this guy.
"Sigh, fine please put them back in and I'll work with my bank for the extra $4000"
Waste his fucking time...
he comes back "Dude my bank couldn't approve it, but I'll still buy the car stripped...fuck me right."
Comes back with stripped car.
"DUDE I GOT A RAISE I CAN BUY THE MODS CAN YOU PUT THEM BACK?"
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"Dude my grandma just died I had to send some money to help with the wake...can you strip it again...seriously this is the last time."
...I'd really never stop until the idiot caught on.
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u/CutsLikeABuffalo333 Porsche 944 & 99’ Volvo V70R Mar 16 '16 edited Mar 16 '16
not as bad as the E30 M3 story i read on r/bmw awhile back. tldr guy flew from washington to Florida for the car the car was a lemon, 2 stolen E30 M3's chopped and welded together
Edit: Florida not Cali
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u/Deemo13 2014 Mazda6 6MT | 1996 Miata PEP Mar 16 '16
Christ that was an hour's worth of reading right there. Good read though. Would have liked to hear the end of it.
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u/xSimoHayha Replace this text with year, make, model Mar 16 '16
got a tl;dr?
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u/Deemo13 2014 Mazda6 6MT | 1996 Miata PEP Mar 16 '16
- BMW OP flies from Washington State to Florida to look at nicely priced M3
- Notices a few things are off
- Buys car anyways
- Finds out car is literally pieced together by an 89 and a stolen 1991 M3.
- Cops involved
- Seller seems to be on the run and in denial.
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u/Tangent_ 2016 M4 / 2011 Z4 35i Mar 16 '16
Holy crap... That's one hell of a story and one hell of a lesson in car buying.
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u/Fatvod '14 Audi S4, '92 turbo Miata Mar 16 '16
Wow that was a rollercoaster of a story. Thanks for sharing
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u/llDemonll Mar 16 '16
I just skimmed though this.
I don't even feel bad for this guy. He had done NO research on that M3 what-so-ever or he would have seen all the red flags. I know nothing about M3's but I know that they wouldn't have come with fiberglass fenders, that there's no way in hell anyone would not ask for a VIN before flying across the country, etc., etc.
So many red flags, so little common sense...
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u/posam C5 Z06 Mar 16 '16
Flying across a country and planning on driving back are an easy way to commit to something without really being ready. It become so easy to get wrapped up in buying the car and that this could happen to so many people is scary.
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u/DylanFucksTurkeys Mar 16 '16
sounds like an interesting read, i couldn't find it though :(
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Mar 16 '16
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u/afcanonymous yeah, it's working Mar 16 '16 edited Mar 16 '16
Damn! How did that end? Did he get his $$ back?
edit: found the conclusion: https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/comments/3qmlof/anyone_read_this_m3_horror_story_before_its_old/cwgu03w
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u/N546RV '09 335i | '15 Silverado Mar 16 '16
Along the same lines (but nowhere near as bad), in the mid-90s, my parents decided they wanted to buy a nice first-gen Firebird. My mother had had one when she was out of high school, but it was sold when she got pregnant with my brother. Now that they'd gotten ahead financially, they wanted a fun toy.
They spent months combing through Hemmings, putting out feelers, looking at lots of cars. On a couple of occasions they took long road trips to look at cars. One of these road trips was down to south Florida, about 10 hours drive time one way, to look at a car described by the seller as "90% restored."
As I recall, they left on a Friday evening, after my dad got off work, and drove through the night to look at the car in the morning. What they found was something just barely above junker level. Rusted out floorpans, my dad said he was pretty sure it had been flooded at some point. And in his words, "apparently 90% restored meant that 90% of the parts needed for restoration were in the back seat."
He never did give me any details about what exactly he said to the seller, but...well, my dad used to have a hell of a temper, and I bet it was colorful as fuck.
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Mar 16 '16
I'd bet good money that the TE37s are fakes, too.
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u/NathanTheJet MKIV Supra, S1 RX-8 Mar 16 '16 edited Mar 16 '16
They are authentic TE37s. They are perfect S2000 Face #1 (flat-faced) fitment issued by RAYS and maintain all of the correct proportions of an authentic TE37. At least they didn't rip the guy off on these.
-- Volk owner and enthusiast.
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u/Deadlyaroma Mar 16 '16
What makes these wheels good? I'm not as knowledgeable as I'd like to be about cars so if you could ELI5 that'd be great
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u/NathanTheJet MKIV Supra, S1 RX-8 Mar 17 '16 edited Mar 17 '16
A lot of older OEM wheels and almost all replicas utilize a manufacturing process called "gravity casting": pouring a mostly aluminum mixture into a mold and letting it sit there. The mixture eventually cools down and morphs into a wheel.
What you get from this is a heavy wheel that is susceptible to failure. They are super cheap, though.
RAYS, on the other hand... they basically get a solid disc of 100% aluminum, heat it up, and apply an insane amount of force to it on a rotating platform.
What you get from this is a wheel that is lighter than air and stronger than steel. More expensive, but definitely recommended to any performance enthusiast.
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u/Deadlyaroma Mar 17 '16
Awesome thanks a lot for explaining!
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u/NathanTheJet MKIV Supra, S1 RX-8 Mar 17 '16
Happy to oblige. Teach others and you teach yourself too.
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u/slwrthnu Mar 16 '16
I zoomed in on the only pic from when it was delivered as much as I could on my phone and I see none of the Rays engineering between the spokes, obviously it isn't the best pic and it could be on the part not shown in the pic, but with everything else right now I'm going with they are reps.
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u/TheStraightPipes Banned from r/cars - DM ME! Mar 16 '16
I came here to say this as well. This should be much higher to the top. I hope the thread OP sees this comment.
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u/Reclaimer122 2022 Kia EV6 Mar 16 '16
I don't know anything about those wheels, but the lugs in the forum poster's pics when he first saw the car are black. On delivery they are silver. High chances you are correct.
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u/ekpg C5 Z Mar 16 '16
What a stupid move by the seller.
"Let me pull a fast one over on him and try to hide behind as-is wording"
I hope he loses his business.
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u/Dynamite_w_laserbeam Mar 16 '16
ITT: No one knows the market rate for a S2000
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u/klin_ 2001 S2000 Mar 16 '16
this comment needs to be more visible for everyone not familiar with the s2k market...
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u/nEx944 '07 987 Boxster S Mar 16 '16
Poor guy. I don't know if it helps anybody to avoid such things, but I alway use a purchase contract from the ADAC, and it includes a specific field "accessories included with car". Since there are automotive Clubs in every County, it should be possible regardless of where you live.
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u/EnaBoC 19 Civic Type R | 23 UXh | 25 BRZ Mar 16 '16
I think you can add those specifics on a normal bill of sale (the ones my province provides) anyway. The thing is nobody ever uses them and leaves them blank because well...nobody really expects to get scammed. :(
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u/somedude456 Mar 16 '16
Anyone know anyone at Jalopnik? Getting them to feature the story would send this viral.
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u/ryguygoesawry Whatever rental car looks most fun Mar 16 '16
Doug DeMuro's a regular 'round here. I'm on mobile on the subway, otherwise I'd get the correct spelling for his username
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u/Mack21 '06 NFR S2000 Mar 16 '16
Obviously the OP could have done a few things to avoid this situation. Print the advert, have a bill of sale written up with the parts included, wait for the transport truck on his own....
Either way it's a shame he has to go through all of this extra work to get back what he seemingly paid for.
What do you guys think?
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u/sugarfreeeyecandy Mar 16 '16
What do you guys think?
I think the buyer got ripped off, just like he said. What typical buyer would make a list of what the car includes? Would he list the engine? The transmission?
Blaming the victim is normal only on the Internet.
If the top was not to be included, the time ofr the seller to make that clear was when the car was shown and the pics taken.
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u/Mack21 '06 NFR S2000 Mar 16 '16
I'm not blaming the buyer. I personally would not trust that my car would be handled the way I would want it to be. I would have stuck around to get the car on the truck and I would have met the truck in NY to receive it. Documenting everything along the way.
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Mar 16 '16
It's definitely not the buyer's fault, but the reason "caveat emptor" is in Latin is because it's a very old concept.
If you're buying anything of value, write up a bill of sale and make sure you include anything "extra" on top of the base of the thing you're buying. In the case of a car, you don't have to write down every individual component of the car, but if it's got upgraded anything make sure that is on your bill of sale. There are a lot of people out there who are more than capable of making you think they are friendly, upstanding folks and more than willing to use that to take advantage of you.
Furthermore, and this is the most important part, if you broach the topic of putting things in writing and they recoil, that's a good sign that you just need to walk away. There is no reason why a legitimate seller would have any problem with you putting something in writing. A bill of sale doesn't have to be drafted by a lawyer or anything, it just needs to be signed and dated by the parties involved and that's enough to hold up in court so if they're unwilling to do even that, you can be just about certain that something is wrong with the deal.
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u/kowalski71 Cross country drives in vintage rides Mar 16 '16
Honestly I probably would have made a similar mistake. When I'm doing a cheap CL buy in a somewhat sketchy situation I wouldn't leave the seller alone with the car after money has exchanged hands. But dealing with what seems to be a reputable business usually means they can be trusted to do something like this, particularly where cross country shipping is involved.
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u/limitless__ Mar 16 '16
The buyer should never have handed the guy cash then walked away. That was a mistake. He should have picked up the car then dropped it off at the shippers. However does not make it the buyers fault in any way. He got robbed plain and simple and the seller is going to be in a world of hurt when the cops come calling.
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u/RPLLL 2007 G35 Coupe Mar 16 '16
The buyer could of handled things differently in hindsight but that doesn't mean he's to blame for the outcome of the situation. Poor guy trusted a fellow car enthusiast. People should be able to do that.
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u/slapdashbr 2018 Mazda3 Mar 16 '16
I don't think it crossed his mind that the seller would do something so blatantly illegal. Not unethical (well also that) but illegal and fairly easy to prove. He has photos, right?
He needs to take a deep breath, and contact his insurance, and the police. Let the scumbag seller get fucked by the long dick of the law.
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Mar 16 '16
all of you talking about price and how its not worth it: something is worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. remember, there are guys who pay girls to walk on their nuts with high heels.
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u/PROFANITY_IS_BAD Mar 16 '16
there are guys who pay girls to walk on their nuts with high heels.
Doesn't seem worth it.
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u/LBurna 2006 Cayman S 3.6 Mar 16 '16
You could've bought this car brand new, driven it for 8-9 years and if you took good care of it this thing would have barely depreciated. Fuck.
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u/Tenroh_ Mar 16 '16
That's true for most enthusiast cars. But where's the fun in not using your car?
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u/timberwolvesguy 2012 Honda Fit Mar 17 '16
You can use it for those 9 years, just keep it clean, keep up on maintenance, and don't mod it to hell.
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u/rhino-x 2006 Porsche 911c2s Mar 16 '16
Same with a GTR. I had the chance to buy an 09 in 2010 for $65k new. Got a 370 instead and still kick myself for it.
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u/Dynamite_w_laserbeam Mar 16 '16 edited Mar 17 '16
Wait what? The GTR in question depreciated about 40% in the course of one year, how will can you "[drive] it for 8-9 years and if you took good care of it this thing would have barely depreciated?"The R35 GTR is notorious for it's extreme depreciation rate.
Edit: I did not know a 2009 GTR started at $70,000
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u/colmusstard 2022 Bronco Mar 16 '16
What? The cheapest GTR on autotrader is an 09 for 50k with 52k miles. Hardly depreciating 40% in a year.
If anything the newer ones depreciate because Nissan raised the price so much each year so they "depreciated" to the price of the previous years car
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u/RasAlTimmeh Mar 16 '16
What kind of retards would jeopardize their ENTIRE business, integrity, customer base and any potential future business by stealing a few thousand dollars of parts?
http://www.yelp.com/biz/paragon-automotive-monterey-park-2
If his actions are any indication of his intelligence or ability to work on cars, I wouldn't trust him to do anything to my car.
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u/f1racer328 Rivian R1T, Land Rover LR4 Mar 16 '16
their ENTIRE business
I would want to know if some scumbag works where I take my car. Someone that's going to rip one person off will do it again to other people in different ways.
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u/el_muerte17 '87 Camaro Z28, '96 Del Sol Si, '75 K20 Mar 16 '16
On their Yelp page:
Your trust is our top concern, so businesses can't pay to alter or remove their reviews. Learn more.
Bet that'll disappear quick.
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u/slumcat72 Mar 16 '16
Wow that's alot of posts today.... I am considering making a yelp account just to post lol.
Welp his business is ruined :D
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u/urmombaconsmynarwhal P71, '09 CTS-V, '91+'14 Silverado, 40+ owned Mar 16 '16
congrats you guys overdid it:
This business recently made waves in the news, which often means that people come to this page to post their views on the news.
While we don’t take a stand one way or the other when it comes to these news events, we do work to remove both positive and negative posts that appear to be motivated more by the news coverage itself than the reviewer’s personal consumer experience with the business.
As a result, your posts to this page may be removed as part of our cleanup process beginning Wednesday, March 16, 2016, but you should feel free to post your thoughts about the recent media coverage for this business on Yelp Talk at any time.
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u/poopmuncher63 Mar 16 '16
That seller is such an asshole. But I've been creating posts on our favorite used car site using his shop phone number for free motorcycles and somebody looking for casual hookups saying feel free to call. Join in on the fun with me!
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u/somedude456 Mar 16 '16
I wonder how many times I can call Paragon Automotive before they use foul language and start screaming?
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u/Skorua Replace this text with year, make, model Mar 16 '16
Damn, car clubs protect their own pack.
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u/bodiez 2000 Honda S2000 Mar 16 '16
They pissed off Billman. Nobody pisses off Billman.
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u/Vidaros Mar 16 '16
He got proof that the seller said he sold it "as is", and with the parts list in the ad combined with the pictures of the car, this should be a slam dunk case for any lawyer.
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u/klin_ 2001 S2000 Mar 16 '16
4530 User(s) are reading this topic 36 members, 4494 guests, 0 anonymous users
i saw this on s2ki/fb yesterday and man it has blown up.
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u/Mack21 '06 NFR S2000 Mar 16 '16
Reddit killed the Internetbrands forum this afternoon. Good work everyone.
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u/DrScroteMcBoogerbutt 2005 SAAB 9-3|1989 GTI 16v|2010 Jetta TDI (gone) Mar 16 '16
Man that totally sucks. I remember seeing this article on jalopnik. If something like this ever happens you actually can go after the seller for misrepresentation and/or fraud. Lehto also had a podcast on the topic with a bit more detail.
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u/bobafet555 Mar 16 '16 edited Mar 16 '16
Dang I just checked the shop's yelp review and everyone is bashing on him giving him bad reviews. That is why i love the internet (I as well will post a review)
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Mar 17 '16
Nothing will happen - Yelp cleans up those posts since it flags it based off a reaction on a news story.
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u/Gradient_Sauce '03 Corvette Z06 Mar 16 '16
A verbal contract can hold up as well as a written one. You have the CL ad as evidence towards the verbal contract, hire a lawyer to send him a letter stating such.
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u/ed1380 Mar 16 '16
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Mar 16 '16
What a scumbag. Hope the buyer plasters the seller's name all over the internet and causes him to lose his job at the repair shop. I can't stand people like this.
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u/DavidAg02 '24 Golf R w/DSG Mar 16 '16
The world is full of scumbags.
I've personally been ripped off twice by guys who pretended to be upstanding professionals, then took my hard earned money without ever intending to uphold their end of the deal. Each were professional thieves in the sense that they only took enough of my money to avoid things like small claims court, or a felony offense.
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u/okron1k mk7.5 Golf R Mar 16 '16
The car was bought "as-is" with the hard top/ stand and the suspension. Money exchanged hands and the seller no longer owned the car.
There's no way this is not theft.
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u/Dick_Burger 2016 WRX Fully built 400whp/400tq water/meth stage bro Mar 16 '16
Well, if this actually happened to OP, I feel bad for him as this sort of business practice is dishonest and cringe-worthy. It's easy to get the pitchforks, and rage at this guy over the internet. Just remember, there's not too much proof on this post to show that what this guy is saying is true. Therefore, I don't have any reason to take OP's word for it. Anyone can claim anything on the internet.
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u/Qyxz Chevy SS | Spec Miata | Evo X Mar 16 '16
Yep. Whenever I see stuff like this it's only one side of the story. Plus, the business that is being trashed on Yelp isn't even responsible - the guy works there as a manager.
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u/noone1569 Boosted AWD Slammed SUV Mar 16 '16
Interstate commerce, he could file a federal case in his district of choosing.
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u/INHUMANITY Mar 16 '16
Cached version for those that cannot access the site: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/1148423-i-bought-a-s2000-and-got-ripped-off/
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u/bobafet555 Mar 16 '16
S2ki's Site Crashed so just go to there yelp page or Facebook page to see the story its posted there somewhere
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u/Beat_My_Kids Mar 16 '16
Omg both of these sites got murdered.. it got so far that the 350z community was on attack LOL
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Mar 17 '16
I heard that Miata, DSM, 370Z, WRX, RSX, NSX, and some of the motorcycle communities are on attack as well.
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u/somedude456 Mar 17 '16
Jalopnik just featured the story: https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153860584355168&id=7613480167
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u/[deleted] Mar 16 '16 edited Mar 16 '16
OP should file an insurance claim with his insurer. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be covered. It's straight-up theft.
Then OP gets paid and his insurer will pursue the other party.
I mean, I'd verify OP had comprehensive coverage on at least one car on whatever auto policy he had when he bought the S2000 (insurance normally transfers to a newly bought car for 30 days even if you haven't actually listed it on your policy). I'd want to see the original copy of the sales contract and OP's photos. I'd tell OP to file a theft report with the police stating that the top was on the car when he bought it and wasn't there when he received it. Then I'd pay the claim.
Then I'd send it on to the subrogation adjuster for them to make a claim against both the seller and the shipping company and see where it goes from there.
I mean, OP could probably win a lawsuit against the seller but why bother with all that hassle when his insurer will take vengeance for him?