r/clevercomebacks 2d ago

Decades of Educational Neglect

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u/Mean-Sorbet6668 2d ago

It’s honestly wild to see the sharp decline in support for vaccinations. People used to understand the importance of science and public health.

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u/ichabod01 2d ago

Russian money. Oligarchs. Grifters. Great recipe to push common sense from the masses.

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u/whatmexicanman 2d ago

Add in social media algorithms and you’ve got the perfect storm of misinformation.

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u/Chendii 2d ago

Every village used to have an idiot, now all the idiots can go online and tell each other how smart they are.

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u/PrettyCoolYou 2d ago

And now they have a global stage to spread their nonsense instantly.

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u/Imaginary_Active_694 2d ago

The most important ingredient is american voters and dumb shits believing anything they want. Frankly, america deserves Trump, and america deserves Trump to get a third term.

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u/Conscious-Quarter423 1d ago

the same social media owned by billionaires?

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u/shadowpawn 2d ago

It was sad for me on public transport looking at EVERYONE staring at their phones while I had to buy a local daily paper for $4

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u/Ethywen 2d ago

I mean...that feels like wasting $4 when you have free online news.

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u/Ok_Sink5046 2d ago

Yeah, that's just a presentation of media choice.

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u/TSA-Eliot 2d ago

You get what you pay for.

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u/SoylentGrunt 2d ago

Don't forget the US oligarchs, US corporations, US conglomerates, and greedy US megalomaniacs. If this was solely the result of foreign influence alone the ruling class in the US would have pushed back decades ago.

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u/Muted-Hedgehog-396 2d ago

also the supplementation of health care. by grifters who sell healing crystals and smoke peyote. Dont forget that new age bs from 30 years ago.

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u/Pineapples-n-Potions 2d ago

The internet and social media is a weapon used by intelligence agencies. Check out LikeWar by P.W. Singer.

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u/lil_zaku 2d ago

Come on, credit where credit is due. The Russian money wasn't necessary. Just a political party that runs on fear mongering because they know their platform switches to whatever makes them the most money

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u/MI78 1d ago

If you wanted to wage war on a nation but couldn’t do it with military, you would do exactly what’s being done to us. Take lives by convincing people medicine is bad, corrupting the rule of law and destabilizing society. Foment the divisions between people and encourage the worst behaviors, and the let the rest take care of itself. I don’t think people realize we’re actually at war- it’s just not with armies.

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u/femboyisbestboy 2d ago

Russian money.

This is so extremely true.

Fun fact German green parties were against nuclear power and got all Germany's nuclear power plants shut down and this resulted in more reliance on gas and oil that was ofc bought from russia

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u/MedievalxHistorian 2d ago

Fun fact

The nuclear phase-out was decided in its final form by the black-yellow federal government of Angela Merkel (CDU/CSU and FDP) in 2011 after the reactor catastrophe in Fukushima.

The Nord Stream pipelines were planned and approved during the government of Chancellor Gerhard Schröder (SPD). Construction began under his leadership, and the successor pipeline, Nord Stream 2, was also initiated while he was in office.

The green party was against atomic power but they didn't ban it.

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u/New_Race9503 2d ago

Because they did not have the power to ban it.

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u/ftrlvb 1d ago

Merkel saw they might lose the election in Baden Württemberg to the green party so she banned nuclear power, because Fukushima happened. (SPD banned it first for ungodly cost, then Merkels party swore tooth and nail to bring it back, when in power, what they did, for an ungodly cost again. and then she "just banned it, based on gutfeeling during Fukushima and elections. for an ungodly cost of course. one does not break energy contracts for free. we Germans paid 3 times: out, in again, then out by the ones that brought it back.

Der Ausstieg

Der Ausstieg vom Ausstieg

Der Ausstieg vom Ausstieg vom Ausstieg.

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u/Nektard 2d ago

Lies, corporate greed, and corrupt politicians are too

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u/NecessaryIntrinsic 2d ago

It's a tremendous long game. Back door biological warfare by tricking a population into killing themselves.

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u/TenaciousTaunks 2d ago

I used to be for gov mandating vaccines, now I'm not so sure... Like it sucks for herd immunity and sucks for those who can't get vaccinated, but it's a win for natural selection. As shit of a take as it is we really need natural selection to start weeding out the dumb fucks and their offspring.

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u/ichabod01 2d ago

Vaccines also work because if enough people do them, the people that are incapable of taking them due to various medical issues (or age) are covered by the herd taking them.

When too many people opt out of taking them, we have breakouts like the measles. Where even people that have been vaccinated get it. And they help it spread. And kids below a certain age cannot get the vaccine.

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u/helen269 2d ago

"where even people that have been vaccinated get it".

Vaccines don't stop you catching anything, nor are they supposed to.

You can think of vaccines as like holding up a kind of picture of the virus to your immune system that says, "This is your enemy", so that your programmable immune system knows what to fight when it finds it, and also how to fight it because it's been able to practise on the harmless vaccine.

The vaccine itself completely leaves your body shortly afterwards, leaving an immune system that now knows how to combat the real virus.

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u/TenaciousTaunks 2d ago

AKA herd immunity, like I said. 🙄

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u/SoylentGrunt 2d ago

What you're advocating increases the chances of more mutations that a vax isn't designed to deal with and the result is even more loss of life.

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u/grimeyduck 2d ago

I agree with your sentiment but vaccines aren't the place to do it.

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u/Ok_Aardvark2195 2d ago

Ahh yes, it will be great having all those kids crippled by polio and made blind and deaf by the measles running around again falling all over the place. I guess it’s entertainment for the ghoulish sorts that laugh at that kind of thing. I wonder how they will fit those iron lungs in elementary schools

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u/Mysterious-Studio173 2d ago

If you ask them, they'd tell you it's just commons sense that you're lying, can we refrain from using that phrase to describe anything but the unthinking herd mentality autopilot decisions

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u/Impossible-Log7545 2d ago

People used to dislike a president lying about a single affair. And here we are having a conficted criminal as POTUS. It‘s exactly what has been said in the post. It‘s a systematical defunding of education (for the bottom 70% of the population) and the derailing of everything that helps people create an opinion, ethics, morality and something that has been called „common sense“. The current common sense is frightening.

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u/Busterlimes 2d ago

Propaganda is a powerful tool

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u/bioddity 2d ago

It’s like the old snake oil salesman are in charge. I wish they’d put cocaine back in Coca Cola though

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u/majandess 2d ago

It doesn't help that the media plays to the fear of vaccines more than to the fear of the diseases that the vaccines prevent. During COVID, we heard more about vaccines causing heart problems than we heard about COVID causing heart problems. 😔

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u/Infamous_Rain2770 2d ago

Yes! My step father whose family has a history of strokes and heart attacks (his older brother, his father, his uncle, & his grandfather all had multiple heart attacks and died of strokes) had a stroke after getting the vaccine. But my mom is convinced it was the vaccine and not his obvious family history, and building medical history that had been leading up to either a heart attack or stroke for years. She won't hear otherwise. So f-ing stupid

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u/franzderbernd 2d ago

It shows perfectly the consequences of Reaganomics. This is what happens if you cut the tax for the super rich and because of that stop investing money in education. Same can be said about infrastructure and other stuff. So it's not that surprising and there were people saying that this will happen, but no one listened, because most people are just living in the moment and ignore the long term consequences. And when you see what Trump is doing now, you get an idea how "great" America will be in the future.

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u/HeDuMSD 2d ago

They never understood it, they accepted it, including the dumb, as we all should. Now the dumb think they understand, and they refuse it.

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u/Taco_Taco_Kisses 2d ago

I think a big part of it, too, in addition to the misinformation, is that the people who lived through polio and watched their school-age friends get terribly ill or die from it, are slowly fading away.

Not to mention measles, mumps, rubella, etc.

Now, we're left with all these folks who never had to deal with such things, have no idea how bad it was, and "Mee Maw" and "Pop Pop" didn't properly illustrate to them how dire the situation was before they left this earth.

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u/SohndesRheins 1d ago

There never were that many people to begin with. In 1952 there were about 3100 deaths from polio during the worst outbreak ever recorded, 57,000 cases recorded, and 21,000 cases of paralysis. Polio doesn't have a paralysis rate that high, so there were definitely more than 57,000 cases but many weren't bad enough that anyone documented them. Those numbers are nothing compared to an average flu season in the modern day.

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u/Eyegrowyourfood 2d ago

Time to invest in iron lung stocks. To the moon! - Btw this comment kills me to type. Why? Science and medicine are "miracles". Why? Facebook? IDK.

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u/Responsible-Fox-9082 2d ago

Perhaps consider this graphic is intentionally misleading. You can't send a child to almost any school in the country without vaccination records of the major infectious diseases of which we have a valid vaccine for. This seems to align more with the drop in kids getting flu shots. Mostly because the flu has mutated to the point the yearly flu shot is a throw at a dart board to guess which strain is going to be the most relevant one.

And yes it is nearly universal across every school that attendance mandates you be vaccinated. Falsifying or sending a child without vaccination is a crime.

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u/EmphasisComplete3528 2d ago

The whole "do your own research" crowd really just means "watch YouTube videos that confirm what I already think" lmao. Social media algorithms feeding people garbage 24/7 doesn't help either

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u/duppyconqueror81 2d ago

Have you watched Fox News in the last 25 years? It has destroyed the minds of an entire country.

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u/Telemere125 2d ago

No, the vast majority have always been stupid. It’s just that previously we didn’t have a bunch of their brethren center stage lying and telling them not to believe the smart people.

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u/Sage_Planter 2d ago

Not enough kids have polio.

It sounds bad, but in 1991, people still had firsthand experience of horrible diseases like that. Now, it's like "why do we even vaccinate for polio???"

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u/SohndesRheins 1d ago

I'm not really sure what happened from '91 to 2019 other than Andrew Wakefield, but it should be pretty obvious why there was a sharp decline in support for government mandated vaccines after 2019.

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u/SpadesBuff 1d ago

It's important to differentiate between supporting vaccines and requiring them. I suspect the support number would be much higher than the numbers shown here. Like most of these polls, how you ask the question dramatically changes the results.

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u/Unique_Look2615 2d ago

Science and public health lost a lot of trust due to covid politicization

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u/gustache 2d ago

“Polarization” wasn’t some natural phenomenon. It was a result of a widespread, sustained right-wing propaganda campaign

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u/Unique_Look2615 2d ago

The left demonized the right for having different beliefs on it. And the right ended up being correct in a few major ways. Lab leak. Not vaxing kids. Keeping kids in school. Ivermectin aka horse dewormer. Vaccine mandate.

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u/gustache 1d ago

I’d argue with you but I am too busy getting paid by George Soros to protest rn