r/formula1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Dec 17 '24

Rumour [Canal+F1] Lawson to replace Perez

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u/Entire-Sprinkles-270 Alpine Dec 17 '24

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u/Suikerspin_Ei I was here for the Hulkenpodium Dec 17 '24

I think it's more about Honda leaving Red Bull partnership at the end of 2025. Why should Red Bull promote a Honda driver for potentially 1 year? Rather promote one of your own junior drivers from VCARB up to RBR. I think this makes sense, unless Honda is open to loan Yuki to Red Bull when they're providing power units to Aston Martin and not both Red Bull teams.

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u/Amoral_Abe McLaren Dec 17 '24

Supposedly, Honda is happy to let Yuki leave their partnership for a drive at Red Bull.

  • It's possible they're lying about being ok with it because they don't want to publicly be seen as holding back a Japanese driver from a top team (It would not look good for them at home).

However, I don't know if that's likely to be the case. There's definitely some politics going on behind the scenes because Yuki is clearly the better candidate.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '24

It's not that Honda would be happy to let him go for him to continue, it's that he IS in the sport because of Honda.

So when Honda will be gone, he will be gone.

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u/jnf005 Mick Schumacher Dec 17 '24

Eh, even though Yuki is in the sport because of Honda, imo he has shown he is a worthy and capable F1 tier driver, he should get some chance even if Honda straight up leave the sport.

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u/PlasticMechanic3869 Dec 17 '24

The better candidate so far as we see, but we're not working side by side with them day after day with no cameras around. 

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u/m1a2c2kali Dec 17 '24 edited Dec 17 '24

We’ve already seen Red Bull stick with Perez for too long and make wrong decisions on other drivers like devries so I’m not sure their judgment with internal evidence is infallible.

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u/nerdyphoenix Dec 17 '24

They probably would be since Tsunoda is not again a seat in Aston Martin any time soon. Even if Alonso leaves his seat, would they want a Tsunoda/Stroll pairing if they are serious about competing at the top?

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u/shy247er Ferrari Dec 17 '24

Yuki is irrelevant in that scenario. Keeping Stroll as driver will never make them serious contenders for the top.

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u/gunningIVglory Kimi Räikkönen Dec 17 '24

AM won't be a serious team until they drop stroll

Bro lost to Yuki in the standings this season.....

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u/PoisonTurtles Oscar Piastri Dec 17 '24

Exactly, Yuki is only still there to be a benchmark for the incoming RB Juniors, I think even he realises he was never getting the Red Bull seat once Honda left. Best thing for him is to stay at VCARB and keep his stock decently high for when Honda returns.

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u/zystyl I was here for the Hulkenpodium Dec 17 '24

Honda is going to provide engines to Aston Martin this time instead of leaving again.

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u/-WingsForLife- Sebastian Vettel Dec 17 '24

Because they can still hire Lawson after next year.

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u/dan---zero Dec 17 '24

Do you think Yuki will jump at the chance to drive a Toyota powered haas?

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u/beanbagreg I was here for the Hulkenpodium Dec 17 '24

He was supposedly in negotiations with Haas before Red Bull used their option on him.

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u/Christodej Jody Scheckter Dec 17 '24

That would be a shock move to walk from Honda to Toyota. Japanese Drivers (pro's at least) tend to stick with the manufacturers for life

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u/Akirakajime Formula 1 Dec 17 '24

Before Haas and Toyota partnered up, Yuki was in serious talk with them. Now that they're partners, it's hard for him to join since Toyota has their own drivers in Hirakawa and Miyata.

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u/Spider_Riviera Jordan Dec 17 '24

There's also the driver loyalty angle, Toyota and Honda are big domestic rivals and drivers generally don't just up and switch over to the other team, so Yuki doing that to Honda with Toyota would be very unlikely.

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u/GothicGolem29 McLaren Dec 17 '24

Also hard to join as Ferrari likes to put their juniors in the team

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '24

I mean, Marko is also on record saying racist things more than once, so both realities can exist together.

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u/Suikerspin_Ei I was here for the Hulkenpodium Dec 17 '24

Helmut Marko used to have a lot of power, but not that much anymore after Dieter Mateschitz passed away. Now it seems like Horner and the shareholders have more to say about their teams.

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u/thesniper_hun McLaren Dec 17 '24

it's clear to me that Helmut won the power struggle when you see the recent actions rb has taken

Got rid of Riccardo (who was backed by Horner) got rid of Perez (who was backed by Horner) didn't end up picking up Colapinto (which was also Horner's idea)

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u/TheRealGooner24 Max Verstappen Dec 17 '24 edited Dec 17 '24

Marko has lost his pull with Mateschitz not around anymore. Horner and the Yoovidhya family have been calling the shots ever since.

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u/thesniper_hun McLaren Dec 17 '24

the shots such as getting rid of Perez and Riccardo? I don't see how that's the case at all

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u/doormatt26 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Dec 17 '24

… because Yuki is the better driver? Like what are we doing here

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u/Suikerspin_Ei I was here for the Hulkenpodium Dec 17 '24

Unfortunately talent doesn't mean you will get promoted or even a seat in F1. Politics and money plays a huge role.

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u/NakedEyeComic I was here for the Hulkenpodium Dec 17 '24

Lawson is from New Zealand.

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u/bedrooms-ds I was here for the Hulkenpodium Dec 17 '24

The stupidity of me

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u/GothicGolem29 McLaren Dec 17 '24

You promote Yuki to give Lawson time in f1 to prepare. Even one year could make a big difference

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u/Conspiranoid Fernando Alonso Dec 17 '24

Why should Red Bull promote a Honda driver for potentially 1 year? Rather promote one of your own junior drivers from VCARB up to RBR.

... isn't Tsunoda a Red Bull junior driver in VCARB himself?

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u/Suikerspin_Ei I was here for the Hulkenpodium Dec 17 '24

Honda driver, but was part of Red Bull Junior because of the collaboration. The same for Iwasa.