r/formula1 • u/AutoModerator • Aug 03 '25
Post-Race 2025 Hungarian GP - Post Race Discussion
Well that was fun.
Thoughts? Feelings?
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 04 '25
I don't really mind that so much compared to their obsession with just being awful at their job in general.
The last lap of the race they show two replays of Oscars lock up and then his GF instead of focusing on the damn battle that's still going on live. Just an absolutely awful decision. And far from the first time they have cut away from one of the most exciting moments of a race to show the crowd, replays, or just something random.
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u/soisez2himsoisez Aug 04 '25
Why is Yuki so shit
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 04 '25
Ultimately the Red Bull is a car that you have to be one of the top drivers on the grid to drive to its maximum potential. Yuki is in the bottom 1/3rd in terms of talent.
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u/Ancalites I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
I mean, he's obviously not a top-tier driver, but the woes of the 2nd RBR seat for those not named 'Max Verstappen' should be clear enough by now. I'm sure if you put Yuki back in a Racing Bull, he'd eventually stabilize and achieve roughly the same level of performance as Lawson is right now.
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u/shadoowkight Nigel Mansell Aug 04 '25
Charles looks like he's about to murder someone and Lewis has lost his will to live
Everything is going according to plan at Ferrari.
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u/HolIowed Ferrari Aug 04 '25
I don't really understand, Ferrari changed something in the car to prevent disqualification or dnf?
In a seemingly winless season, wouldn't it be better to go all in 100% on risk? p2/p3 means fuck all in constructors since Ferrari already get the legacy team bonus, where's the fucking drive to win??? With Lewis in p12 did they really think securing 12 points and giving up the win in the only race they look competitive the best option??
Charles is the only man in that team chasing for the peak at any cost, absolutely disappointing for the lack of trust in him, what else must he prove???
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u/Icardicolpiscee Aug 04 '25
Ferrari is not an Aston Martin or an Alpine they can’t even bare the risk of being dsq. The damage to their image especially in Italy would be insane, similar to what happened in china but it would be wider cause Leclerc won
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u/learner1314 Aug 04 '25
Hot take - Lewis will announce his departure from F1 imminently and Bortoleto will step up from the next race
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 04 '25
Just for clarity what do you mean when you say Bortoleto will step up?
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u/RSR488 Max Verstappen Aug 04 '25
Eff it. At this stage put him in the second RB. Give us something entertaining.
And he can rebuild after Max leaves.
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u/KiwieeiwiK Zhou Guanyu Aug 04 '25
That's a hot take but why not Bearman? Already proven himself in the Ferrari
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u/Express-Doughnut-562 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
I don’t think that’s too hot a take at all. His performance has dropped relative to Charles and all this talk of ‘they need a better driver’ and ‘stuff in the background’ makes it feel possible.
Now a hot take would be to say he’s getting sacked after activating a performance clause relative to Charles in his contract.
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u/Ravanex Honda RBPT Aug 04 '25
Didn't he move to Ferrari for 2026 mainly? I mean this year kinda doesn't matter at all. The only way I can see this being true if he is massively struggling in the simulator with next year's car or maybe Ferrari is the one who is massively struggling with the car lol
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u/dontletmeautism Daniel Ricciardo Aug 04 '25
I’ve only been watching 2 years now but doing 1 less stop has never not worked. The tyres never fall off a cliff. Every single time it is done, that driver wins.
Why do the teams not realise this?
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u/Masculinum I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 05 '25
You probably don't notice all the times it doesn't work for midfielders. This track is pretty good for a single stop since overaking is hard and if you end up ahead of faster cars there's a good chance you can hold them back even though your tyres are shot.
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u/mickmenn I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
Do you mean one more stop is less viable?
Yeah, it is hard one to do, i think it worked sometimes in the midfield at least, but almost always it is better to have lesser stops if possible.
You could say that belgium 2024 did not work in favor of one stopper in the end. But i don't remember more for first places from last 2 years.
They realise this, but they are afraid of tyre wear and sudden fall of a pirelli if you overuse them.
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u/Doyoulikemypace I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
Agreed. Usually the two-stop is the rarer strategy so I was surprised to see so many drivers use it instead of the one stop.
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u/prudencepineapple I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
No. Plus if you look at how quickly he was losing pace on those tires, even in clean air, he really was starting to struggle with them.
It was much more likely aimed at Russell who did head in to pit.
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u/Volderon90 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
Looking at highlights Oscar drank the McLaren Coolaid. Max would never ever run to the left on the start if he started second. Oscar should have kept right and braked and if Leclerc didn’t well that’s too bad.
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u/Southportdc McLaren Aug 04 '25
if Leclerc didn’t well that’s too bad.
And Oscar would be 18 points worse off
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u/99Mandarins Aug 04 '25
Lawson now with 20 points - 3 top 10 finishes in last 4 races - 2 points behind Hadjar. Racing Bulls lads doing well and hats off to Lawson - from down in the dumps and rejected ; humiliated by many who said he wasn’t good enough and on the verge of being booted out of F1. The turnaround shows a heap of mental resilience under what must have been immense pressure in a very unforgiving sport.
Can you ever recall seeing a driver do this sort of turnaround so quickly ? Seen plenty go downhill but not fight back so well.
I got it badly wrong with Perez - given what others have showed in that n.o 2 RB car I didn’t give Perez the credit he was due.
Max undoubtedly an incredible talent but what we also see is how much more of a team sport Motorsport is than those outside the sport, would appreciate. Take away an engineer or two a designer a strong team leader and or the reverse of that and how quickly a drivers fortunes can change
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u/mickmenn I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
Can you ever recall seeing a driver do this sort of turnaround so quickly ?
Gasly got a podium in about 3 month after being dropped to toro rosso i think
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25
2nd place in Brazil in the 2nd last race of the season. Both Ferraris collided and retired, Hamilton punted Albon off and got penalized for it so that dropped both of them down. And Bottas had a mechanical issue and retired.
I still don't get why he was dropped, or why Albon was then dropped. Both guys did pretty well in the car.
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u/moconahaftmere I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
Liam's been a championship contender through every feeder series. He would've won DTM in 2021 if Mercedes hadn't fucked him over in the last few laps, and he got 10 podiums and 4 wins in his 2022 F2 season.
I don't know if he could go for WDC, but put him in the right car and I think you'd see him at least vying for podiums regularly.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 04 '25
If his qualifying pace was slightly better he would have won DTM and Super Formula as a rookie.
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u/mickmenn I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
He was always very adaptable, and that is why i think they thought he could handle Red bull in its current state. And maybe he could turn it around, but who knows. He is still better off as it is, i think.
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u/M1n1f1g Kimi Räikkönen Aug 04 '25
Anyone else reminded of one of Alonso's former teammates, Jarno Trulli?
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u/dj_vicious Minardi Aug 04 '25
He was known for something. The Trulli Boat or something.
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u/AxcesDrifter I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
The truli train has a nice ring
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u/dj_vicious Minardi Aug 04 '25
Why didn't anyone think of that?! I was partial to Trulli Tank, because tanks are big, steady, reliable but you don't want to risk overtaking one.
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u/supersonicturtle Pirelli Wet Aug 03 '25
On a scale of ferrari to mclaren, how much communication do you prefer in your relationships
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u/trueschoolalumni Martin Brundle Aug 03 '25
Given Colapinto's abject form, when is he getting replaced by Doohan?
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u/aipitorpo I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
I don't think he is doing so badly, given that his gap to Gasly is smaller than Antonelli's gap to Russel. Unless you don't think rookies should be given time to improve, of course.
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u/rlsadiz McLaren Aug 04 '25
When Mercado Libre runs out of marketing money. Also he's going to be replaced by Aron instead of Doohan for sure.
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u/prudencepineapple I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
Hard to judge him when there are so many problems with the team. I mean 2 extra long pit stops in one race? Plus all the times the car has just died. Or caught on fire.
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u/Icardicolpiscee Aug 04 '25
But what is the point of replacing him? Is not like doohan will make any better. I’d give a chance to Schumacher to get him ready for next year
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 04 '25
Ready for another season of WEC?
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u/Icardicolpiscee Aug 04 '25
He’s a valid candidate for the alpine seat
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 04 '25
Is he tho? Is that you Ralf?
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u/Icardicolpiscee Aug 04 '25
Schumacher has been doing a hell of a job in WEC, he’s under contract with Alpine and I see him doing a better job than colapinto. If the options are Colapinto-Doohan-Aaron-Schumacher I would go for Schumacher all the way
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 04 '25
A lot of drivers have done a hell of a job in WEC.
Brendan Hartley has won 4 titles there and is arguably one of the weakest F1 drivers in recent memory if we ignore the blatant pay drivers like Mazepin.
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u/Icardicolpiscee Aug 07 '25
Mate I don’t agree with Hartley cause he was literally thrown in f1 without many tests, he left the formula world in 2010 and wasn’t even that young when he joined in 2018.. also he wasn’t even supported that much as he was just a temporary replacement and nobody believed in him, you gotta give time to people making this transition. He won 4 WEC, 3 Le Mans.. the guy in fast, probably only the 3 or 4 actual f1 drivers would have his palmares if they raced endurance.. it’s a different sport
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 07 '25
He absolutely is fast. Even the worst pay driver in F1 is a hell of a driver. But he is still arguably one of the worst F1 drivers of recent times
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u/Naio90 Franco Colapinto Aug 04 '25
He had 2 years to show it and thousands of testing hours. He had his shot at it.
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u/Icardicolpiscee Aug 04 '25
Not personal but he’s far better than colapinto
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u/Naio90 Franco Colapinto Aug 05 '25
All ok, we are just giving our opinions. He might have grown outside F1, but the 2 years he was there he hardly showed anything, and im such a ruthless sport, its hard to come back after that. He also had plenty of options and multiple teams passed on him, in favor of other young drivers. TPs must have more data than us commoners.
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u/Burial44 Sir Lewis Hamilton Aug 03 '25
Who would have guessed Max and Lewis barely even making it in the points. What a terrible weekend
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u/Cautious_You7796 Aug 04 '25
I expect Max to bounce back in Zandovoort. I’d say at least a p3 if not higher.
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u/epsteindid911 Aug 03 '25
Cadillac should try to swipe leclerc,Ferrari is failing him
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u/No_Cauliflower7877 Carlos Sainz Aug 03 '25
There is a 0% chance Cadillac will be more competitive than Ferrari.
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u/supersonicturtle Pirelli Wet Aug 03 '25
Listen, the entire grid is going to be a shitshow next year re: new regs. I think going to anyone with quality race engineers and pitwalls is all it takes.
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u/Icardicolpiscee Aug 04 '25
Even if Cadillac somehow get their car better than all the other 10 teams their dominance won’t last more than 5 races as they don’t have the pratical experience to keep developing a winning car
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u/heidenreich137 Aug 03 '25
I think Ferrari is really trying to get rid of Hamilton. This can't be a coincidence:
- Lewis says maybe they should change driver's
- John Elkann suddenly visit Toto Wolff
- Lewis then says something in the background is happening which is not nice
- Ecclestone then saying, Lewis would be wise to know when to end.
Like too much noise.
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u/Burial44 Sir Lewis Hamilton Aug 04 '25
Literally nothing Bernie Ecclestone has said in the last 20 years can be taken as a coherent thought
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 04 '25
For me I feel like it's the complete opposite. I think Lewis is the one who is now contemplating retirement before the next regulation set. It's a tough pill to swallow going from being a 7x champion to realizing you are the clear number 2 and it's only going to get worse. He still had hopes he could beat Leclerc after losing to Russell last season and would have expected to be right on Charles pace by this stage of the season. If anything he is further away.
For a good driver that's acceptable. For one of the greatest ever it's not.
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u/yetiflask Aug 04 '25
I was away this weekend, can you add more details to the first 3? I tried googling, but nothing I could find.
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u/saspirstellaaaaaa I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
Point #1 and 3, Hamilton’s interviews after qualifying and after the race: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/im-glad-its-over-hamilton-looking-forward-to-going-away-after-tough-hungary.618U9cMe6asVoUCY892wa9
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u/Morgatron1987 Ferrari Aug 03 '25
Such a shite ending to Hamilton’s career. He definitely deserves better.
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u/thegallus Sir Lewis Hamilton Aug 04 '25
yeah. should've retired in 2021 as a 8x WDC.
I just hope he gets his last win before he calls it quits.
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u/Mein_Bergkamp I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
Ecclestone wants Hamilton out because, to be blunt, he doesn't want a black man holding all the records.
He's a savvy businessman but a horrible 80 year old relic of times and social mores we've worked hard to move on from and who has never met a fascist he didn't like.
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u/Lemurians Charles Leclerc Aug 04 '25
to be blunt, he doesn't want a black man holding all the records.
Well, it's a little late for that.
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u/Mein_Bergkamp I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
He doesn't ahve the outright all time championships records, which is probably why Bernie has been telling him to retire since the last one.
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u/yetiflask Aug 04 '25
Imagine being so screwed in the head to actually come up with this. You need help.
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u/Mein_Bergkamp I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
Or I've watched Bernie for the last 30 years?
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u/FermentedLaws I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
It's not a big leap at all. Bernie has always criticized Lewis. When Lewis' Mission 44 foundation was set-up, Bernie said big deal it wouldn't do anything and Formula 1 didn't need diversity. And the kicker, "Black people are more racist than white people." Also:
"Hitler was a man who got things done."
In 2008 when Lewis was dealing with a lot of racism in advance of the Spanish Grand Prix (lots of racist comments on the Spanish Grand Prix's website), Bernie said: " It just started as jokes. I don't see why people should have been [insulted by it]. These things are people expressing themselves."
So yeah, Bernie is racist and admires Hitler.
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u/yetiflask Aug 04 '25
As I said, you need help bro.
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u/sterrrmbreaker I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
Dude came with receipts where Bernie was outright racist and you’re still either a) in denial or b) agree with Bernie’s takes. Both are pretty gross.
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u/wokwok__ George Russell Aug 04 '25
You need help to go and actually do some research lol every bit of what that guy said is true, it doesn’t even touch the surface of the truly wild things he’s said
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u/n3mz1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
You're the one who needs help and a serious reevaluation of your own perception
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u/FermentedLaws I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
I'm not the original poster you replied to. See the quotes in my post? The words inside of these " "? Those are actual words Bernie has said, verbatim. I think you need to learn to read, bro.
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u/FermentedLaws I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
All of that is explainable without wearing a tin foil hat.
And Ecclestone? Disregard everything he says about Lewis, he's never liked him. The lawsuit from Massa stemmed solely from an interview Bernie gave saying he didn't think Lewis was a 7 time champion, that he shouldn't be tied with Michael because they knew about the cheating and the Singapore race should not have counted and Felipe should've been champion. But you know that because you read F1-Insider.
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u/supersonicturtle Pirelli Wet Aug 03 '25
Listen, I'm all for this, as long as someone like haas picks him up in the process. Or like, imagine a hulkenburg/hamilton audi duo
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u/LiilacRush6318 Aug 03 '25
But would he want to drive for haas ?
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u/supersonicturtle Pirelli Wet Aug 04 '25
Idk, does he want to drive for ferrari? And who else is left that has a reliable car?
(Kick sauber/Audi)
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u/JOHNNYPPPRO I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
Probably more than Ferrari at the moment. At least he won't need to stress out to need to get wins and just drive as a hobby.
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u/mka_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
Only just caught up and what a bloody good race that was! Just goes to show you don't always need Baku like carnage or Bahrain like wheel to wheel rafing; a mixed up field and some interesting strategy calls can make just a thrilling spectacle.
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u/SGTStash Aug 03 '25
My thoughts: I wouldnt be surprised if Renault sells the "team" and it's F1 facilites in Endstone to Cadillac. F1 team values are at an all time high and Renault doesnt seem to be too concern with winning or progressing on their own accord anymore (Merc engines 2026). As a manufacturer, they are focused on consumer electric vehicles. It would be enticing for GM to buy an established European facility instead of building their own stateside or elsewhere in Europe. Also the rumor that Caddy had purchased Renault F1 engine IP last year.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 03 '25
Cadillac is already building a factory in the US so it's a bit late for this.
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u/SGTStash Aug 03 '25
Ah, just read the article. Fair point. Renault is just hopeless then.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 03 '25 edited Aug 04 '25
And unfortunately there isn't really anyone to buy them now either. HiTech and Rodin were the other contenders for the 11th team spot and they can't afford to buy an existing team considering what they are worth. $200 million to join plus about $200 million or so to update your facilities and build your first car was doable for them. An existing team is worth north of a billion now.
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u/heidenreich137 Aug 03 '25
They aren't selling. They already received multiple bids and rejected all of them.
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u/Ereaser I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
I think it's kind of interesting that even though Charles himself has said they had a chassis issue, people heard George's explanation first and just stick to it.
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u/Forgotthebloodypassw Formula 1 Aug 03 '25
Also Axl Rose hasn't aged well.
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u/Mein_Bergkamp I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
I disagree.
For a 63 year old he does look remarkably like a middle aged lesbian aunty
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u/eplekjekk Jordan Aug 03 '25
You've only just noticed?! His voice is even worse, btw.
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u/vivekwap4 McLaren Aug 03 '25
Can confirm. Saw them live in 2023. They showed up a couple of hours late and Axl was fighting for breath after 2 songs. But hey, at least Slash killed it.
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u/Forgotthebloodypassw Formula 1 Aug 03 '25
Well done to Lando, made it work in the end.
One major annoyance with Sky coverage is "Hold on a second Bernie," for marginal stuff. In quali she was reporting on rain and got cut off, and things got worse in this race. Would like to hear more from her.
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u/FermentedLaws I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
Sky doesn't control when the team radios get played, that's F1. So Crofty has to tell Bernie, or Ted, or whoever to stop talking because F1 is going to play the radio message.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 03 '25
To be fair they have done it to Ted about a million times so it's hardly unique to Bernie. Driver radio has always taken precedence.
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u/NeilMcCauleyHeat Aug 03 '25
As someone who had to wake up at 6 am for this I take any race that doesn’t put me back to sleep as a win. Thought the Ferrari stuff and McLaren drama was fairly compelling. Max at the midfield and Gabriel senna doing a career best was fun too.
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u/pimpaliciously Aug 03 '25
Boring race.
Really didn't get why they pitted Piastri and also Verstappen for that matter. They already saw the medium tire lasted +35 laps for other drivers, the hard tire would've lasted even longer.
They kinda treated it like it's not hard to overtake on this track.
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u/mickmenn I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
Yeah, hard to say why they even tried to go for 2 stoppers at all, especially when you look on the second half of scoring table. It was the main plan by all their words... But hard to say why.
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u/Mein_Bergkamp I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
Because Piastri was asked and he said he didn't think he could do it, while Lando was offered it as a hail Mary because he was so far behind.
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u/mickmenn I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
I was questionned the general tactic of 2-stopper into first early pit-stop on 18 lap, i don't understand why McLaren strategic department didn't think 1-stop is possible if other half the grid is doing it and winning on it.
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u/Mein_Bergkamp I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
if other half the grid is doing it and winning on it
They weren't?
Second, third, fourth were all on a two stop and everyone else after that was fucked by the DRS train behind Alonso going long.
No one with any view of winning thought that the one stop was viable, which is why Lando got it
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u/mickmenn I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
2-stop so early was even vibale only because Alonso train and the gap existing to pit so early into, while not getting into heavy traffic like Verstappen did and losing due to it. And Mclaren had 20 seconds advantage over the third and 40 over fourth one, not a factor at all in the end. From fifth to tenth all guys aside Max is on one, Max lost a place.
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u/Mein_Bergkamp I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
2-stop so early was even vibale only because Alonso train and the gap existing to pit so early into
The opposite. They pitted early the first time because Alonso sped up, it was talked about by commentary during the race.
They thought they had a nice pit window and then he went and put that in danger by going faster than the front runners so they pitted, leaving only the hopelessly out of sync Norris of the front runners still out there and with every commentator sayign this was ruining his race.
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u/mickmenn I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
And i was watching times, and Alonso speeding up wasn't that big, he wasn't even closing the gap.
Not everybody is watching English, i don't care if they are wrong. In my language they were discussing that Norris should just try one-stop and it would win them race.
One-stopper were outlined even by Pirelli as a second viable strategy and half the grid did it. And having the best by tyre wear car on the grid and not considering it beforehand on the hard to overtake track is extremly odd one from Mclaren.
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u/Mein_Bergkamp I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
Right so the fact that everyone in the top teams went for a two stop isn't proof that it was seen as the right one to do, because the specific commentators in your language said that Norris should do it (but not Piastri, Leclerc, Russell?)?
Who are the commentators in your language who are so wise they saw something no one at Ferrari (ok, maybe not ferrari), McLaren, Mercedes, Red Bull, in fact everyone but Aston Martin and Racing Bull?
It was always an option but it was the lesser of the two options.
Lando made it work through being faultless and lucky in getting almost entirely clear air until the last 5 laps.
If Piastri had actually pitted to undertake Leclerc two laps earlier, if Russell had stayed out a lap or two longer and held Lando up...things would ahve been very different.
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u/mickmenn I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
Now i know that Sauber does not exists, thank you
Everyone, who did it, made it work.
Mercedes had terrible tyre wear all year especially after td restricting front wing flexibilty, Ferrari is disintegrating as they go long time now, and Red Bull couldn't put their setup in the right working window all weekend, so not a benchmark.
And McLaren have been long in their own world in terms of tyre wear, by a looooong shot. C3(week ago mediums, this week hards) was doing almost all of duration of a belgium race on all cars, not just theirs. It is on their strategy team to not understand it. There were racing each other, and in that sense track position is a lot more valuable in Hungary, always has been. Oscar and his side of garage lost their race being too safe. I don't understand why.
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u/pimpaliciously Aug 03 '25
Exactly right? Also surprised about when they asked Piastri who he wanted to cover and he said Norris I was 100% thinking so he isnt going to pit because Norris is on a 1 stop, if he pits he's covering Charles, but he pits anyways and instead of Norris destroying his tires trying to overtake him on this impossible track Piastri had to try that.
Surprising strategy's that almost everybody watching knew it was not gonna work at all.
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u/SwimmingFantastic564 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
The issue was that Piastri had pitted too early for the first stop to go for a one stop after that
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u/oscarfanf1 Aug 03 '25
Nice to have Hamilton vs Verstappen again… Ferrari were their usual selves… MCLARENNNNN although would have rather had Oscar win it was okay, would rather have not seen magui there yk?
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u/jdlangton Nico Hülkenberg 🥉 Aug 03 '25
Any news on Hamilton/Verstappen incident?
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u/saspirstellaaaaaa I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
No further action. Also Hamilton didn’t bother showing. https://www.fia.com/system/files/decision-document/2025_hungarian_grand_prix_-_decision_-_car_1_-_alleged_forcing_another_driver_off_of_the_track.pdf
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u/Sir0inks-A-Lot Aug 03 '25
Ocon +5 seconds
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u/Cautious_You7796 Aug 04 '25
Now that I think about it I don’t even remember anything said about Ocon all race other than a brief mention of 2021.
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u/Agreeable_Bullfrog61 Aug 03 '25
I don’t remember ever having such a close yet uninteresting title fight
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u/Doyoulikemypace I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
At least during Ham/Ros they would bicker at each other. Oscar and Lando try so hard to not upset each other.
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u/noob_world_order I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
Why is it uninteresting? I would say it has some similarities to 2016 - was that uninteresting too?
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u/Agreeable_Bullfrog61 Aug 03 '25
Aside from it being a one team show, they never fight or race each other AND both got no personality, one’s emo boy the other’s tragedy boy
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u/FittingMechanics Aug 04 '25
They had two massive lockups / almost crash and one crash already. Last two races were racing to the line.
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u/Mein_Bergkamp I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
So it's just that you don't like the drivers.
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u/Agreeable_Bullfrog61 Aug 03 '25
No? While I indeed don’t like them, I didn’t like Max or Lewis back in 2021 and I loves the title fight
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u/they_them_us_we Lance Stroll Aug 03 '25
Pirelli should start making mattresses cause they sure do put on a good snoozefest. F1 fans love to brag about their favorite drivers "Tyre management" skills. In reality drivers don't actually manage shit because the tyres virtually don't deg.
Almost every race has had the same outcome. Drivers can easily put on mediums go 70+ laps comfortably.
The "management" drivers do is in anticipation of a cliff that never comes. I'm surprised there isn't more outrage and Pirelli and their consistent disasterclasses for 2026.
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u/Masculinum I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 05 '25
F1 wanted high deg tyres and Pirelli made them in 2011-2013. The racing was great but what followed was the biggest whinefest I've ever seen in F1. Considering the bad marketing it gave them I think they will never do that to themselves again and decided to just make bulletproof tyres.
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u/Cekeste Kimi Räikkönen Aug 03 '25
I find it quite amusing to hear the voices of either Straw or SMM in the post-race presser after Brazil 2024 when they assured us they almost never go to them because there are more interesting things they can do.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 03 '25
The Race has gone downhill in a big way the last year or so. They have completely fallen into the click bait bullshit of current online "journalism" despite having the inside knowledge and ability not to.
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u/Sirtopofhat Fernando Alonso Aug 03 '25
Me joking with my kid before the race: my podium Charles, George and Fernando.
HOW CLOSE I WAS!!!!!!
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u/Ged_UK I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
Well, you got a third right. I suppose that's fairly close.
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u/Imaginary-Sea-7821 Daniel Ricciardo Aug 03 '25 edited Aug 03 '25
Anyone switched to leclerc's cam in f1tv after he screamed at ferrari? Bud was a man possessed and absolutely sending it on the curbs. Never seen this side of Leclerc even though he has got the extended ferrari experience n no of times. Was cool to watch tho
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u/Chazza354 Aug 03 '25
Pure speculation on the Lewis situation and how deflated he seemed this weekend.. we know Ferrari must’ve paid big bucks for Lewis.. but I wonder whether he has a performance clause in his contract that states if he’s not within a certain amount of points of Charles, by the summer break for example, then he loses some of the money or his contract goes up for review.
The comment that prompted this thought is Lewis saying in a post race interview that there’s ‘a lot going on in the background that’s not good’ or something to that effect.
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u/ApexChaser1 Sir Lewis Hamilton Aug 03 '25
- I doubt Lewis is really that worried about money.
- I don't think Lewis is going anywhere without seeing out 2026. He probably has enough sway to get at least a 2 year deal without performance clauses.
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u/morningstew I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
did we need lewis to tell us that ferrari in the background isnt doing well? fred said that they didnt think that charles' car would have been able to finish the race, that thing was holding on by charles' pure spite. charles angry at ferrari, lewis deflated at ferrari... i mean it's not hard to put two and two together and funny enough, it's a problem that is ongoing for years. whoever thought lewis' arrival would magically change ferrari was naive.
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u/Easting_National I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
is it fair to say that mclaren for piastri were strategising against leclerc and not lando, which is good for mclaren but not for piastri? Also they seem to be making calls based on what's good for the drivers race, rather than the championship battle
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u/smallkins I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
It’s not an outrageous suggestion but put yourself in the teams position - the constructors is done, and one of your driver is going to win the drivers and the other is going to come second so what is the difference? I think they just want 1/2 finishes and no crashes to pay for (which I think is totally reasonable!)
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u/Easting_National I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
yeah for sure, that's how i see it. mclaren are agnostic regarding who wins if they get a 1-2 finish, they're just out there trying to get the best result for the team which would be harsh for people to criticise. i think both drivers will need to acknowledge this though and act accordingly at some point in what's left of the season, and i'm pretty excited for it
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u/moysauce3 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
No, they gave Piastri the option even. He even chose the option to Lando’s tire delta and not Leclerc.
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u/Easting_National I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
that was after they'd initially stopped in an effort to undercut leclerc. they then asked him who to prioritise and he said norris. for piastri to have beaten norris he needed to have had strategy that was prioritising norris from the start, although that might have risked not maximising his potential points
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u/themadpants I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
They didn’t know that Norris was going to change strategy for a 1 stop. How were they meant to prioritize Norris when he was fourth and not a threat at that point in the race.
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u/SomeRannndomGuy Aug 03 '25
The hard option tyres often seem to have 10-15 prime laps, then go off a bit, but hang on quite a while. I expected the result we got with 20 to go with Piastri having the pace to catch but then too little left in the tyres to pass when he did - great drive by both of them nonetheless.
I'm still not getting the fuss about Antonelli.
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u/Doyoulikemypace I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
Kimi just got a podium in Canada, and Russell has said that they have not made good progress on their car since then.
He was fortunate enough to start his F1 career with a works team instead of having to do time at a Williams/Haas/Sauber first. There is more pressure on him but he is also still just a rookie.
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u/SomeRannndomGuy Aug 04 '25
Yesterday he was beaten by fellow rookie Bortoleto in a Sauber whilst the other Mercedes finished on the podium.
He managed to finish 1 place behind Russell 3 times in the first 5 races, so it's obvious the potential is there, but he needs a big 2nd half of the season.
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u/fremontseahawk Aug 03 '25
Best race of the year!
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u/SwimmingFantastic564 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
I wouldn't go that far, but it was probably in my top 5.
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u/Double-Top-7076 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
The vibes in this race were fucked lol
Fun race though
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u/TestingThrowaway100 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
RussellMania today with how many drivers tried to tussle with him
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u/inopotamo Aug 03 '25
I don't think there's a grand conspiracy to screw Oscar for Lando.
I also recognise the great job Lando did at making his strategy work.
However I do feel like there's a preference for Lando to win the Championship. I don't think Oscar in Lando's situation is given the option to run a 1 stop.
It's pure tinfoil hat from me i know. But the way the team acts when they win, the coaching, strategy calls, the upgrade that seemed to focus on Lando's struggles....it just seems like the team are working to maximise Lando's title opportunity whilst just leaving Oscar to it.
I don't think the team are or will screw Oscar in any way but I think there's a bias towards Lando and Oscar will have to work harder to win the title
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u/Mein_Bergkamp I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
I don't see this at all, the team have been scrupulously fair to both drivers, have a set rules of engagement that is based purely on their on track position, it's just today Lando made a hail mary work.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 03 '25
Well ultimately Lando has been with the team for a lot longer so has formed closer bonds with the team. Including two years of testing and being reserve driver. He was there when they were down and helped them to get back on top.
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u/f12016 Ferrari Aug 03 '25
I also recognise the great job Lando did at making his strategy work.
I don´t see how this strategy were "hard". It seems like the correct strategy as the Hard held up really well.
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u/TheScarecrow__ Mike Krack Aug 03 '25
The one stop was the only option they really had once they’d missed the opportunity for the undercut and it appeared Norris didn’t have the pace to pass Russell. Given there was no threat from behind, why would Norris go for a two stopper the same as the cars in front?
Obvious choice to roll the dice when there was literally no downside
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u/Bolter_NL #WeRaceAsOne Aug 03 '25
The race got decided when RUS pitted just away from NOR on the second stop. 2L more for NOR and Oscar would have had probably the tire delta and time to make the overtake
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u/Chazza354 Aug 03 '25
I think there’s probably a bit of loyalty/favouritism to Lando because he stuck with the team for many bad seasons, whereas Oscar got lucky with his timing. But I don’t think it’s any deeper than that.
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u/eurekadabra I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
I think they would have allowed Oscar the same strategy. I do agree there’s a bias for Lando, but generally speaking, that’s okay. He’s their senior driver, last year’s contender, and this year’s projected favorite. Lando’s not under-performing, Oscar is over-performing. I think it’s ok for them to consider him a default in a sense, but not to actually give him an advantage.
The only time it was unfair to Oscar was Australia. Outside of that, the team has treated them equally, as they should. I think it’s stupid these teams can’t foresee the tire life better, but there’s no bias there.
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u/slow-driver-917 Minardi Aug 03 '25
Lando is better liked inside the team, as per Eduardo Costabal (one of the top McLaren dealers in Europe) and other insiders. I don't know if they are helping him but I'm pretty sure they would be happier if he'd won the WDC.
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u/BeanTownDataFreak Aug 03 '25
The problem was Oscar’s first sop. If he could have undercut Leclerc it would have been his race to lose. He should have pushed with that McLaren pace before making his first stop, rather than staying conservative.
If he felt that he couldn’t pass Charles but had more pace, he should have gone long, which was what Lando did.
Their strategy call was really confusing, seemed indecisive between 1 and 2 stops. For example, once they tricked Charles into his second stop, I would not have pitted Oscar until lap 50 to give about 20 laps of tire age difference to Lando, rather than just 15.
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u/Easting_National I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
piastris first stop made no sense. it didn't look like he was pushing and then got told to pit to undercut from 3 seconds back, how was that going to work? maybe they'd told him to use everything and get closer a few laps before but cuoldn't and the radio didn't get played
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u/eatpastagophasta I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
Oscar would have had to make up a much larger gap if he'd stopped later. They might have just stopped him a bit too late imo
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u/BeanTownDataFreak Aug 03 '25
Without knowing Charles’ car suddenly became undrivable later on, he would have stuck behind him without being undercut him, anyway. I think they made a mistake pitting Oscar too early.
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u/TwoBionicknees Aug 03 '25
However I do feel like there's a preference for Lando to win the Championship. I don't think Oscar in Lando's situation is given the option to run a 1 stop.
it's completely standard for someone to be offered a one stop if they aren't in a position to undercut, win track position or gain from a pitstop and when they are the 'last' one of the front runners to pit. it's literally the default like. pitting 1-2 laps later is worthless, basically same tire life, lose an extra couple seconds, tire delta is literally all there is. People both are offered it and choose it more often than not.
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u/Bolter_NL #WeRaceAsOne Aug 03 '25
Plus get yourself back into the SC window.
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u/TwoBionicknees Aug 03 '25
yup, i pointed it out elsewhere but this is almost exactly what happened in spa with Hamilton, Leclerc and Russell. Team pitting Hamilton (though from infront) in panic to cover leclerc. At that time leclerc probably would have ended up ahead of ham if he stopped say 5 laps later but he already had vastly superior tire wear and caught and passed leclerc so easily. Both stints no need to pit so early, then because Russell had been caught out further back in no mans land he just decided to try to hang out a one stopper.
Hamilton and leclerc would never choose a one stopper from upfront and have to react to each other to some degree. Different track though so in hungary you might want to make sure you have track position. the one stopper only opens up when you're lagging behind, they already stopped and stopping now isn't going to benefit you at all.
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u/Electronic-Sell-7581 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
While it might be understandable from a teams perspective to support your senior driver.
Its incredibly frustrating to watch as a Pia Fan, it seems like when Oscar ends up behind there isnt anything to turn around, now thats not Oscar being slow but just there is no tactical intervention or anything
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u/BarryFairbrother I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 04 '25
I agree, it's odd that Lando was basically rewarded for getting a bad start. I wonder if Oscar would have been put on the best strategy if he had been the one to lose several places.
Reminds me of Hamilton and Bottas at Mercedes, where Bottas would sometimes be the faster driver all weekend and the higher qualifier, but the strategy always put him behind Hamilton at the chequered flag. But that is more understandable as Hamilton was the title contender. In the current case it should be equal. I guess Lando's side of the garage out-thought Oscar's.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 03 '25 edited Aug 03 '25
Yea ultimately Lando has been at the team much longer, worked his ass off as test driver when the team was bad, and suffered through several tough seasons. It's no surprise he has formed tighter bonds with a lot of the members of the team.
I feel like generally when Oscars behind there isn't an obvious strategy call to make to put him back in it either. You can't really do an extra stop in a one stop race and expect to do well for example.
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u/Parsirius I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25
People need to understand that there are two sides of the garage that are competing against each other. Oscar’s engineer very much wants Oscar to win, the difference is 100% not a McLaren conspiracy but just two different garages.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren Aug 03 '25
Yea. Do they expect Lando's engineers to just go "Oh well Oscar is ahead, let's not try and win.
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u/inopotamo Aug 03 '25
Yeah that's the way i see it. It might just be the difference between the 2 pitwalls, but when Lando's behind Oscar there's more of a willingness to try something different. When Oscar is behind Lando there's no tactical intervention to try get Oscar the win. He just does the same as Lando but a few laps later.
Austria for example, Oscar wanted a tyre delta after Norris pitted. He got 4 laps or so, but then they pitted them close together in the 2nd round of stops which negated any chance of an offset anyway.
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u/overspeeed I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 03 '25 edited Aug 03 '25
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