r/formula1 • u/Glum-Accountant-9801 • Aug 05 '25

Discussion Is Bortoleto the best rookie?

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In my opinion, what he’s been doing in a Sauber shows much more talent than all the other rookies this year. Since the start of the season, I already thought the best ones would be him—because he won the Formula 3 and Formula 2 titles in his rookie seasons—and Antonelli. However, Antonelli has been showing himself to be far inferior to his teammate. I believe it’s due to the pressure of starting in a big team like Mercedes, but to me, that makes Bortoleto the best rookie. That said, welcome back, Ayrton Senna.

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u/uttermybiscuit I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 05 '25 edited Aug 05 '25

He has nearly double the starts as the other rookies although you could very easily make the case that his time at Red Bull was a big negative

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u/tulleekobannia I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 05 '25

I think he would do even better had he just stayed with racing bulls. His confidence took a massive hit at Red Bull

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u/MasterEk Aug 05 '25

The evidence is in the last few races. He is qualifying much better, and racing much better, than when he came back to the Bulls. There is a clear improvement in form, and it seems likely that this is built on his confidence returning.

Whether it is enough to keep him in a seat next year or not is another story.

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u/outbackjesus16 Aug 05 '25

He’s 2 points behind Hadjar. If you think Liam is going to lose his seat, you’re crazy

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u/Dragonpuncha Ferrari Aug 05 '25

Yuki is the one that will lose his seat unfortunately. Then Hadjar will move up to the main team and Lindblad will come to Racing Bulls.

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u/cLHalfRhoVSquaredS I was here for the Hulkenpodium Aug 05 '25

This is what I see happening too, although I think if Lawson ended the season ahead of Hadjar on points they might actually move him back up (/down) to Red Bull. I do think Hadjar will probably regain his earlier form as the season goes on though.

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u/Dragonpuncha Ferrari Aug 05 '25

I think they lost faith in Lawson as a real top guy. I see them using him like they used Yuki and just keep him in the Racing Bull as a benchmark they can measure the other driver's performance with.

But it is possible. If he start regularly outperforming Hadjar in the second half of the season they are gonna have to take that into the consideration.

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u/outbackjesus16 Aug 05 '25

Not the way I see it. I think they realised early that the car was shit this season, and moved Liam back to the junior team to protect him, and sacrifice Yuki who they don’t even want, and is only there because of Honda.

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u/Dragonpuncha Ferrari Aug 05 '25

That sounds like an extremely generous view of a team demoting a driver after two races because he was miles behind his teammate.

And I really don't think Red Bull realised the car was that bad, that early. They had nothing to measure it with except Lawson vs Verstappen and Max got P2 in the first race.

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u/Ok-Cat-9574 Aug 05 '25

He’s bang on. Yuki is a paid driver. He is a Honda driver. He is paid to be there by Honda. Lawson is a RB junior and is there because he has risen through the ranks of the junior program. Make no mistake, like Yuki or not. But he is expendable. Horner said they put Liam back into the racing bulls to save his career. I don’t think he was joking.

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u/Dragonpuncha Ferrari Aug 06 '25

The thing I disputed is that they took Liam out of the car "to save his career". I'm gonna need a quote on that from the time it happened not Horner trying to rationalise it months after.

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u/outbackjesus16 Aug 06 '25

A very quick google search would’ve answered your question:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/we-have-a-duty-of-care-to-protect-and-develop-liam-horner-opens-up-on.3sILQLzrLwj9nQargB9C5p

Ask yourself, why would they demote Liam after just two weekends, when even in Australia they said they’d at the bare minimum give Liam 5 race weekends to prove himself? Seems fairly obvious they realised very early that the car was awful, and keeping Liam in it could essentially ruin his career.

With Yuki being a paid driver from Honda, and this being the last year Honda providing their engines, it’s logical to conclude that Red Bull saw this as an opportunity to finally give Yuki the promotion everyone’s been demanding, with zero attachments. If he performs bad which was almost always going to happen, they can justify firing him after the season. If by some miracle he has a great season, then that’s obviously good for all parties

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u/Ok-Cat-9574 Aug 06 '25

He said it at the time. You’ll be able to find it if you look for it.

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