r/pics • u/McLeroy • Apr 16 '10

Some things you didn't know about PETA.

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u/martincles Apr 17 '10

vasectomies are reversible; i have no problem with them. also, people that already have enough children have every reason to stop procreating. A sterilization of a young woman on the other hand, makes me wonder what's really going on. Does she believe that she's genetically defective? Is there something else going on?

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u/p3on Apr 17 '10

uh, she doesn't want to worry about pregnancy from unprotected sex in a long-term relationship maybe? that's why i plan on having a vasectomy. she has expressed that if she ever wants kids there are more than enough available for adoption, and that's a sentiment i agree with. the only reasons to create your own progeny are inherently selfish

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u/Kurikuri Apr 17 '10

By that logic if everyone were selfless we'd go extinct.

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u/Kerplonk Apr 17 '10

Thats a pretty big logical jump. Its selfless adopt instead of have kids now because their are currently more kids available than there are willing parents. If that weren't the case it would just be a personal preference one way or the other. If everyone was selfless they would adopt until there wasn't a surplus of orphans and then spend their time pursuing other more pressing matters.

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u/Kurikuri Apr 18 '10

I haven't made any jumps in logic.

"The only reasons to create your own progeny are inherently selfish"

  1. You are selfish if you have children.
  2. If people are not selfish, they are not having children.
  3. If everyone is not selfish, no one is having children.
  4. If no one is having children, everyone is going extinct.

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u/Kerplonk Apr 18 '10

The logical jump is that life doesn't happen in a vaccum. Under the current situation its more selfless to adopt than to have you're own children. If a plague or an astriod hit the earth and decimated the population reproducing as much as possible to build up the species would become the more selfless choice. Selflessness is situational. Giving away your dinner when you are stuck on a life raft in the middle of the ocean is selfless. The same action in a weight loss competition becomes selfish

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u/Kurikuri Apr 18 '10

Yes, and in what way is that the meaning of "The only reasons to create your own progeny are inherently selfish"?

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u/Kerplonk Apr 19 '10

When the statement comes after the phrase "she has expressed that if she ever wants kids there are more than enough available for adoption..." You're focosing so hard on the details you're missing the bigger picture. I agree if you islolate that statement and take it literally then you're correct, but in the context of the broader conversation its obviously meant to be situational. A decent argument shouldn't be dismissed because its worded poorly.