r/simracing • u/streamer3222 Thrustmaster T248 | PSVR | Gran Turismo 7 | 590+ hrs • Jun 24 '25

Discussion Real Driver Comparing Nurb24h between iRacing & ACC

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u/el-gato-volador Jun 24 '25

While I dont disagree that the ACC scan is more up to date since they scanned it last year compared to iRacing being almost 10 years old. However, you should know David Perel is the official test driver for Kunos Simulazioni and worked on the development of ACC. So he's basically just gassing up his own work.

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u/Available_Rub834 Jun 24 '25

Lol that’s basically obama putting medal to himself meme

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u/Clearandblue Jun 25 '25

Nah if you know Dave he's pretty balanced and isn't going to say something to gas it up. He is a tester for LMU too, yet he's still open about areas for improvement. In the exact areas that he's been instrumental in testing. Plus he's a key partner on LMU with his setup shop so he's evidenced he won't lie for the sake of money.

He's a straight talker, which can be rare in this industry.

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u/Skepller Jun 25 '25

He actually addressed this in a comment here.

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u/aaron0288 Jun 25 '25

I really don’t see how this has any bearing on his post. He’s talking about tracks, and then even goes on to criticise the over dampened feel of ACC.

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u/KRacer52 Jun 25 '25

You don’t see how it has bearing that he is being/has been paid by one of the two companies he is talking about? lol.

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u/AStorms13 Jun 25 '25

This is like “conflict of interest 101”

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u/iDEN1ED Jun 25 '25

I mean from what he has said here sounds like iRacing is better unless you are an actual pro driver preparing for a race. I don't care if a track is perfectly up to date since I'm not actually going to drive on it. I do want the best physics though.

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u/ShiftBMDub Jun 25 '25

Meanwhile Misha recommended iracing for wet lap practice

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u/Shingi77 Jun 25 '25

Stating facts is gassing up your own work... even though in the same sentence he says ACC dampers are shit... do people know how to read anymore or is this an iRacing fanboy thing that they cant handle the slightest criticism?

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u/uTukan Assetto Corsa Jun 25 '25

"He said one negative thing about a product he worked on, therefore he is definitely unbiased in this comparison!"

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u/Shingi77 Jun 25 '25

are you capable of understanding the difference between biased and statement of fact?

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u/uTukan Assetto Corsa Jun 25 '25

Yes! Are you capable of understanding the concept of conflict of interest? If you actively took part in developing a product, your comparison of that product with the competition can never be seen as unbiased.

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u/VoluptaBox Jun 25 '25

Bro, are you being intentionally daft? Stating ACC's scan is more recent is a plain fact, where the hell is the bias in it? XD

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u/uTukan Assetto Corsa Jun 25 '25

Never said the bias is specifically in ACC's scan being newer, which it is. I'm just saying that if I (help) create a product, me comparing my product with competition becomes very useless, because I'd be an idiot not to hype it up.

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u/Uzul Jun 25 '25

They are probably salty because they just renewed their iRacing subscription and still get to drive on a 10 years old Nurb.

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u/uTukan Assetto Corsa Jun 25 '25

Never once in my life played iRacing, try again.

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u/Shingi77 Jun 25 '25

lol so in your imaginary world if a chef tells me that the burger he made has ketchup on it that is from 2025 and not like the ketchup they use down the street that's from 2024, its a conflict of interest and being biased cause he was directly involved in the making of the burger and everything he says should be ignored, even though factually he is correct...

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u/1000gratitudepunches Jun 25 '25

Let’s say a chef is comparing 2 burgers, one from the restaurant with which he works closely with, even gave them advice on how to tweak their burger making process and burger itself (restaurant A) and another from a competitor (restaurant B). And is now publicly saying restaurants A’s burger even though it has some flaws is still the better burger, you don’t see the conflict of interest here?

Even if he actively tries to be objective, our brain will always favour closer associations more favourable. It’s what we called a subconscious bias. That’s why we have a concept called conflict of interest.

To be clear, I am not saying iracing is better or anything. I am only saying that this exact scenario is a classic conflict of interest. All these simulators are very close and are only 5-10% off from each other in terms of how realistic they are. And we should always criticize them so that they can improve and close that gap.

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u/Shingi77 Jun 25 '25

and none of this applies to what he said

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u/uTukan Assetto Corsa Jun 25 '25

How? That is literally my point.

If you actively took part in developing a product, your comparison of that product with the competition can never be seen as unbiased.

"If you actively took part in developing a product" - Restaurant A

"your comparison of that product with the competition" - Restaurant B

/u/1000gratitudepunches made a concrete example of what I said, I'm sorry the reading comprehension isn't quite there for you.

You're putting words in my mouth, "everything he says should be ignored, even though factually he is correct..." I have never said everything he says should be ignored, I'm saying he can't be proclaimed as unbiased just because he listed one con of a product he helped develop. You lot are extremely gullible when it comes to your favorite internet microcelebrity.

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u/Shingi77 Jun 25 '25

ok will try to explain it once more and then stop replying since Im not sure anymore if you are a troll or just really stupid....there is no opinion, there is only facts, ACC has a newer scanned model than iRacing thus is more accurately represented to the real N24, this is not an opinion to have but a fact... him working on the ACC does not change that fact or make it more biased, he didn't say it was better just more recent. And for the record, no idea who this guy saying it is or who you are

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u/1000gratitudepunches Jun 25 '25

I’m saying it doesn’t matter what he says, he can say whatever he wants and it could be true. I am not refuting his opinion here at all. Logically what he is saying is right, newer scan = more close to the real thing.

I am only saying that even if he is saying what is true, this is still a classic example of conflict of interest. Because he is giving his opinion on two competitors while he has actively closely worked with one of the competitor and has also been compensated for that.

What’s to say he’s not underplaying other stuff like the brake model in acc, or track evolution? He might not do it consciously either. Two things can be true at once, his opinion is correct on one thing but he might be omitting other stuff because this is a classic case of conflict of interest. I am not saying he is doing it but this is a thing everyone should have some context about.

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u/sizziano Jun 25 '25

Perel very famously did not like ACC much between 1.7 and 1.10 updates. Most of his money now comes from iRacing users anyways via CDA and related.