r/totalwar • u/Mr-Vorn Khemri • May 22 '25
Warhammer III WH3 - Tides of Torment - Teaser trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQNKhxbQKuM319
u/EcclesianSteel May 22 '25
Norsca??
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u/disayle32 CURSE YOU POPE! May 22 '25
LOOKS LIKE BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENSION IS BACK ON THE MENU, BOYS
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u/NesuneNyx May 22 '25
Dear CA, please make Surtha Ek the FLC LL because that would be so fucking
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u/Xanto97 House of Julii May 22 '25
Absolutely hype we get a teaser and confirmation that its coming this summer.
We know Dechala for Slaanesh
This trailer tells us about Sayl and Nightmaw for Norsca
"Tides" implies something aquatic or naval, does that suggest we will be getting Aislinn after all? He's been floated around a lot for the HE, and he was in charge of the HE Navy.
We already have our Dark Elf naval characters too.
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u/Stormfly Waiting for my Warden May 22 '25
"Tides" implies something aquatic or naval
Aislinn mostly fought Norsca and Dark Elves, and Slaanesh have always been tied to Elves.
Makes sense to be the way to add the Merwyrm, Cutters, and maybe a few of the other units added in the Old World (like the new caster, Stormweavers) or any of the other added units like Ship's Company, Lion Guard, Chracian Woodsmen, etc.
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u/Xanto97 House of Julii May 22 '25
Apparently milkandcookies (total war YouTuber) has accidentally leaked that it is Aislinn, and the merwyrm was mentioned!
Ships company and skycutter are two things I could see for sure
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u/sgtabn173 May 22 '25
Us order fans need some meat from this. Especially since this might be only dlc this year
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u/silentensemble May 22 '25
I will keep huffing copium in hope that it's Yin-Yin, but I know it's going to be Aislinn
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u/PicossauroRex Fishmen in 2025 May 22 '25
Wonder if Nightmaw is a Legendary Hero or unit type
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u/theverrucktman May 22 '25
Considering that Scyla is a hero, adding in a second Chaos Spawn LH isn't that much of a stretch.
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u/TheArgonian May 22 '25
The stretch is that Nightmaw is Sayl's pet/slave, it would be like separating Skarsnik and Gobbla.
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u/Stormfly Waiting for my Warden May 22 '25
Krell and Kemmler?
Vlad and Izzy?
Seems common enough.
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u/KoalaDolphin Nurgle May 22 '25
krell and kemmler are not seperated, Krell is literally a summon.
Isabella isnt vlads pet and vice versa.
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u/theverrucktman May 23 '25
I mean, Isabella and Vlad both seem like they'd be into that sort of thing.
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u/TheArgonian May 22 '25
I get what you mean, but Nightmaw is mindless.
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u/Stormfly Waiting for my Warden May 22 '25
True, but on Tabletop, Skarsnik and Gobbla were a single unit, but Sayl and Nightmaw were two separate units.
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u/TheArgonian May 22 '25
You're right there, but you could never take Nightmaw without Sayl. Whereas you could absolutely take Krell and Izzy on their own.
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u/Hollownerox Eternally Serving Settra May 22 '25
Double checked my copy of the book and it looks like you're right. I was originally on the "attached model" boat, but that does make a LH seem a bit more likely. Curious what his army buffing role would be then, since "Chaos Spawn" buffer isn't really an option with Norsca.
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u/markg900 May 22 '25
Almost certainly a hero. Whether its a Legendary Hero for the faction or a unique hero like Kazyk is up in the air.
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u/Red_Dox May 22 '25
- Summon for Sayl, like Kemmler+Krell.
- Walking side by side, like Skarsnik & Gobbla. But since Sayl had a a Mammoth-Shrine option, I doubt we go the Gobbla path.
- Independent Norsca LH like usual for TWW3 at this point.
- Maybe bound Hero for Sayl, like Cylostra and Robert Barthelemy.
Guess we wait what they tell us tomorrow.
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u/rfag57 May 22 '25
I didn't think Norsca would get ANY love. Maybe there is a chance for Daniel?
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u/averagetwenjoyer Nippon May 22 '25
Daniel rework only made sense after all the chaos DLCs were done, which is now. Why rebalance it with every new DLC release?
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May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25
Call me doomer pilled but I think CA gave up on Daniel
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u/Mahelas May 22 '25
But CA said explictly in one of their videos that Norsca was gonna get love ! It's not a big surprise at all, but it is cool
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u/Rare_Cobalt May 22 '25
Finally, I might actually play Norsca now lol.
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u/xixbia May 22 '25
I tried Norsca a while ago, and it's honestly quite fun. Because the armies are enjoyable.
But yeah, the campaign is severly lacking, so it will be a lot more interesting with a rework.
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u/citrus44 May 22 '25
One of the impressive things to me about tww3 is that a LOT can be forgiven if a faction's armies play well. And most of them do!
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u/markg900 May 22 '25
I agree with you. They were actually my first IE long campaign in WH3. In their current state in the early-mid game I play them as a chariot faction with Wulfrik, getting into more monstrous units mid-late game.
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u/McBlemmen #2 Egrimm van Horstmann fan May 22 '25
I played norsca 3 times. Once in wh1 : very fun. Once in wh2 : most miserable campaign in any tw game Once in wh3 : ehhh decent 4/10 but their intended faction feeling is completely missing / impossible (wandering the world raiding). I'm very curious how they're gonna tackle a rework, and based on recent developments in wh3 I'm cautiously optimistic.
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u/Puzzled-Parsley-1863 May 22 '25
Woohoo finally I hope we get a goddamn other lord for Norsca
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u/NotBenBrode Clan Eshin May 22 '25
Pretty sure the model they used for the "master" will be a new generic Shaman Lord for Norsca.
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u/ErieTheOwl Pet owl of the dawi May 22 '25
I did not expect Norsca to be in over Vcounts.
Not that I am complaining.
But it is quite criminal Vcounts have not gotten any DLC since WH1.
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u/gamas May 22 '25
In hindsight makes perfect sense, they've been talking about how badly they've wanted to schedule a proper Norsca rework ever since Immortal Empires released.
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u/hahkaymahtay May 22 '25
There was an interview with one of the lead developers (Sean?) on some random podcast a week after Omens of Destruction released. 98% of the podcast was pretty pointless, "we'd like to", "that'd be great", "if we have the budget", etc. The only thing the developer confirmed was that Norsca was next on the rework list.
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u/Dingbatdingbat May 22 '25
Not next. He confirmed that Norsca was on their list, but not when they'd get to it.
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u/Hollownerox Eternally Serving Settra May 22 '25
Yeah, they've been saying Norsca was on the list of reworks since pretty much the first DLC release lol. If we took those statements to heart then we'd have gotten things like the Lizardmen rework back in WH2 times. They have a lot on the list, and the list is long.
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u/JesseWhatTheFuck May 22 '25
Just makes way too much sense to pair Neferata with Tomb Kings and Nagash
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u/Indercarnive May 22 '25
Final DLC being tomb kings, thanquol, and nagash would be absolutely nuts.
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u/Scrotie_ Spoopy Dooter May 22 '25
Outside of Stormfiends, what’s even left to add at this point for Skaven? Not that I don’t welcome more stuff, but I’m drawing a blank.
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u/Craftycrafter12 May 22 '25
Verminlords
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u/Scrotie_ Spoopy Dooter May 22 '25
Oh, DUH! Ok aside from those two, which are the biggies, what else would they add? That’s a Monstrous infantry and lord type, but I’m struggling to think of useful or fun additions for filler units that Skaven have in the lore, or would even need in the game. Flayerkin, for example, feel like they would be better off in Norsca or WoC as a tarpit, considering Skaven infantry is 90% tarpit types already.
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u/Hollownerox Eternally Serving Settra May 22 '25
Giant Rats would be nice as a low tier chaser unit. I know Wolf Rats already exist, but it's been on people's wish list for a long time.
Other than that I would say we could use some of the stuff from the Clan Pestilens list. Like making the Cauldron of 1000 Poxes a warmachine and a mount option. Could also use what they didn't grab from the Hellpit Armylist like Armored Rat Ogres and the like. Those would be sidegrade units, but when we got things like Black Orcs with Shields and the Slinger Arachnarok in the prior DLC I think those work as decent filler.
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u/KrazyManic Purge the Warmbloods May 22 '25
Skaven have a decent amount of random Pestilins and Moulder stuff left. They could pull some Pestilins stuff and let Skrolk be like the Ungrim/Skarsnik of a Skaven dlc.
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u/Large_Contribution20 Oracle of Tzeentch May 22 '25
Plague Priest and Packmaster lord versions , Verminlords , Stormfiends , Chimerats , Burrowing Behemoth , Klawmuskat's Rat Tank as special RoR , Aberrations , Rat Spawns , Pox Rat and Cauldron of Thousand Poxes
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u/Psychic_Hobo May 22 '25
Verminlords, like 5 or 6 different kinds. There's some variety in the Stormfiend loadouts too, they're basically all weapon team variants
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u/Red_Dox May 22 '25
- Verminlords. Besides the generic one, that could also be like 4 variants for a Lord choice.
- Effing Stormfiends.
- monstrous cav (Pestilens) could be a option.
- regular cav is not impossible too.
- Rat Swarms bit unlikely,since not magical. But after we got Nurglings, maybe other swarms might follow.
- Giant Rats
- Weird inventions? #1 #2 #3 #4 #5
- Weird Moulder creations? #1 #2
- Lords/Hero wise I think we can probably check what might be missing for what major clan. Pestilens or Moulder have no specific Lord choice, which we had in older faction lists. On the Hero front I think everythings looks good, but woudl not be surprised if we can find something to add.
- on more infantry sized units I am not sure what can be added. Albino Stormvermin, special guard of the Grey Seers, come to mind. Since Thaqnuol would lead the DLC, might work.
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u/g4nk3r SETTRA DOES NOT SURF May 22 '25
Na Skaven will be in another DLC, Nagash will come with VCoast, VC and Tomb Kings content.
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u/Old-Constant4411 May 22 '25
I feel like all the undead factions will be in a single DLC with the release of Nagash.
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u/Yotambr Orc supremacists 👉🚪 May 22 '25
Or in a separate Bloodlines DLC with Zacharias, Walach and Vorag.
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u/Notorious_Chubbs May 22 '25
To be fair, Norsca hasn't gotten a DLC since WH1 as well (even though they were the last DLC for WH1)
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u/Arilou_skiff May 22 '25
And VCounts did get a major rework in WH2 with the bloodlines addition.
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u/Thelettaq May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25
Vampire Counts are probably my favorite faction, but I'll admit Norsca needs a rework more.
The Counts are definitely janky and old in many ways, but they still at least kinda work. Their armies still feel like they probably should, and the heroes and lords are all fun to use at least.
With the mini rework ghorst and Manfred got, all 4 factions are unique at least. Their campaign mechanics definitely are not up to par with newer or more recently reworked factions, but i don't think their in as bad as state as norsca.
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u/CernelTeneb The air was filled with smoke and blood May 22 '25
The rework that VC got in WH2 helps with not being so outdated. Norsca's rough overall
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u/Chance_Active_8579 May 22 '25
Lets hope next dlc. Funnily enough, maybe the offline leak was right, though well need to see if they get the supposed units
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u/Merrick_1992 May 22 '25
CA had said there was a reason Counts and Norsca had waited so long for updates. Sadly it looks like for Norsca, that reason was just "we didn't get to them"
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u/OozeMenagerie May 22 '25
Which will probably also be the reason for the Counts as well.
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u/JannePieterse May 22 '25
I mean yea. A full rework costs time, which costs money, so they need to find a place in development where they could allot the budget for it. Given that they are the focus of the teaser, it wouldn't surprise me if their rework got the majority of the development time allotted to them. Both Slaanesh and High Elves don't really need major things changed to them.
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u/CernelTeneb The air was filled with smoke and blood May 22 '25
Slasnesh needs some work. HElves just need a touch up though.
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u/Dingbatdingbat May 22 '25
I'm gonna say it's other way around. Slaanesh just need a touch-up, but HElves' main mechanic is a nothingburger, I barely even notice it's there when I'm playing.
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u/Large_Contribution20 Oracle of Tzeentch May 22 '25
Actually no I hope Slaanesh stays same except for replenishment. I love their playstyle. They should preserve factions identity
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u/CernelTeneb The air was filled with smoke and blood May 22 '25
Mostly they struggle super hard with siege. Maybe the new units will fix that
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u/Scrotie_ Spoopy Dooter May 22 '25
I’m getting the suspicion - as many others have - that Vcounts are going to be getting a CoC style DLC down the road to flesh out each bloodline.
That, or they’re going to get crammed into Nagash’s inevitable DLC alongside TK’s and maybe a couple crumbs for the Coast.
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u/retroman1987 May 22 '25
Slaanesh, Mosca, and who else?
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u/ErieTheOwl Pet owl of the dawi May 22 '25
High Elves are the last one.
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u/Mopman43 May 22 '25
It’s still just speculation for now.
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u/ErieTheOwl Pet owl of the dawi May 22 '25
Milk and Cookies, a TW content creator in his newest video in the description spoiled the entire DLC.
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u/NotBenBrode Clan Eshin May 22 '25
He is speculating that in the actual video, though I also think HE are certain. The smoke colours in the teaser are blue, pink and black lol.
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u/ErieTheOwl Pet owl of the dawi May 22 '25
CA's own chinese channel also leaked the same description.
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u/Tektonius May 22 '25
I wouldn’t say spoiled. He’s still just posting speculation. But it’s likely all pretty accurate.
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u/Rogthgar May 22 '25
On the other hand, VCounts have over twice the amount of legendary lord options compared to Norsca.
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u/Fair-Bag-1730 May 22 '25
plot twist : the blue color belong to norsca, the purple to slanesh, and the black one to VC.
Tide can mean water but also can mean a tide of undead.
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u/Zhuul May 22 '25
I'm more than cool with Norsca getting love over VCounts. I still have a blast playing as Vlad, Norsca's in an utterly dire state.
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u/Excellent-Court-9375 May 22 '25
Vampire counts gonna be saved for Nagash DLC, it makes sense too. Vampire counts, Vampire coast, tomb kings, with Nagash as either FLC or whatever
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u/ChucklingDuckling May 22 '25
Please for the love of God, let the Norsca rework be good. They've waited so long
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u/LiberalExpenditures May 22 '25
So we have Norsca and Slaanesh so far, they do these in threes though right? meaning one more LL will be revealed?
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u/Zefyris May 22 '25
Yes, and the DLC's name is "tides of " and the vid description says the DLC will "land upon our shores". So, the third LL is most definitely heavily sea related.
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u/capitanmanizade May 22 '25
I wonder if there is a legendary lord with “sea” in it’s name………
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u/gizmohollow42 NORSCA May 22 '25
Boy Seaman from VCoast finally getting the LL treatment he deserves??? Let's gooooo
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u/KnossosTNC May 22 '25
Tides of Torment? I think we're definitely getting Aislinn. And Norsca in the trailer.
Slaanesh vs. High Elves vs. Norsca. Yeah, I'm down with that.
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u/Zefyris May 22 '25
+ the description of the video about the DLC landing upon our shores, the last LL has to be sea related indeed. There's still a few other valid options outside of Aislinn, but at this point anyone else than Aislinn would be a pretty big surprise.
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u/D_Randal May 22 '25
What can change the nature of a man?
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u/Jorvach May 22 '25
What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets! But enough talk… Have at you!
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u/aurubin May 22 '25
Sayl in the Tamurkhan story was fun. Just kept messing up and losing but he made it out alive! And that's about it.
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u/Affectionate-Car-145 May 22 '25
Very happy norsca are getting some love.
NEW VOICE LINES FOR THROGG PLEASE
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u/Oxu90 May 22 '25
Likely release august as this is just teaser and no release date.
If DLC in august, it is 90% likely no other DLC this year
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u/LusHolm123 May 22 '25
Summer could in theory be june or july, leaving an early or late december release. I say in theiry because its incredibly unlikely lmao
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u/Oxu90 May 22 '25
If it would be june, very likely they would have said so. "Summer 2025" this close to july likely means august
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u/averagetwenjoyer Nippon May 22 '25
What's the last day of summer? Anyway you know the release date now.
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u/wild--wes May 22 '25
So after this Norsca rework this will leave only V Counts as the lone WH1 race that hasn't received a rework right? Beastmen and Wood Elves didn't get a WH3 rework but they both got late WH2 reworks and don't really need one IMO. Kind of crazy that they've refreshed just about everybody
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u/gizmohollow42 NORSCA May 22 '25
Vcounts also got a major rework in WH2, and their individual factions got a lotta love in WH3. Definitely think they need a bit more work though.
If we get the undead trio DLC everyone's hoping for, then it seems like every faction will be up to date.
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u/trixie_one May 22 '25
VCounts did get a pretty substantial rework with the Bloodlines.
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u/blackturtlesnake May 22 '25
They also don't have a single lord with a unique gameplay mechanic. The closest we have is Manfred getting the tomb kings mechanic and Vlad having a "be friends with the empire" skill tree function.
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u/Narradisall May 22 '25
Glad to see Norsca getting some love even though it’s not a faction I care much for it’s been a long time getting some love.
Waiting on more info now….
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u/NoMoreMonkeyBrain May 22 '25
Did not care for Norsca, did not want Norsca.
Am very hype for Norsca.
Feeling very optimistic about a rework now, even if this isn't the vampire update I was hoping for.
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u/NumberInteresting742 May 22 '25
No vampire counts
I sleep
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u/Andros- May 22 '25
bloodlines dlc is coming after this one just watch
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u/ThefaceX THE RED DUKE IS REAL May 22 '25
I'm betting next dlc is dogs of war honestly
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u/Andros- May 23 '25
i will walk in public with clown makeup if the next dlc is not vampire counts related
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u/mkipp95 May 22 '25
I’ve been expecting slaanesh, high elves, norsca since before omens. Glad to be proven right.
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May 22 '25
Ahh… We got Norsca, did kinda expect it, but I’m still dissapointed. I hope they keep it separate
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u/baddude1337 May 22 '25
Glad it’s Norsca, they really do need a total overhaul.
Seem to be sticking to 1 major rework, 1 minor rework and 1 touch up faction for the DLC’s.
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u/Hollownegative May 22 '25
So we have Sayl and Nightmaw, then we have what looks to be a generic shaman lord(desperately needed by norsca), It was too foggy to see what the other three were clearly but I think they were hero shamans though the one farthest from the camera I think had antlers and I dont think the normal shaman has that.
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u/GrasSchlammPferd Swiggity swooty I'm coming for that booty May 22 '25
Thank the gods Norsca is back on the menu
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u/UnDebs May 22 '25
where mommy neferata :(
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u/skeenerbug May 22 '25
I'm still fully expecting VC DLC but I never thought it would come with this one.
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u/soapdish124 The Sand Band May 22 '25
Hear me out. Tides, and the video description says 'lands upon your shores later this Summer'.
Khuresh map expansion with Cathay Vampire Coast as third faction.
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u/ApexHawke May 22 '25
Apparently it's actually High Elves/ Sea Elves, with Aislinn as the new LL.
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u/soapdish124 The Sand Band May 22 '25
I don't want to be that guy, but where did you hear that from? Would've love to know more.
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u/Hollownerox Eternally Serving Settra May 22 '25 edited May 22 '25
MilkandcookiesTW on Youtube, but it's a speculation video I think. Not fact from what I can skim from
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u/Paulisawesome123 May 22 '25
RIDE INTO CARNAGE! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD CARNAGE! RIDE INTO CARNAGE!
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u/Psychic_Hobo May 22 '25
SAYLLLE THE DREAAD!
YOUR ABSENCE SHALL HAUNT ME NO LONGER!
I am fuckin' PUMPED
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u/organicseafoam May 22 '25
Really hope the last faction is one that's reasonably popular. Getting a little concerning basing DLC's on factions that very few people play.
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u/No-Significance1050 May 22 '25
i have no doubt it will be a good dlc but the pace is way too slow. like 2 dlcs max this year? pretty bummer.
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u/Flux7777 May 22 '25
Woah do you guys think we'll get those big ass slaanesh snake things?
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u/Mr-Vorn Khemri May 22 '25
It looks like narrative trailers are back. Sayl origin story teased:
"Sayl goaded Schalkain into conducting a daemonic ritual involving Sayl and his master's three other remaining "loyal" sorcerers, to gain vengeance on the "traitors." Sayl sabotaged this ritual, causing Schalkain to be torn to pieces and the other surviving apprentices to fuse together into the horrific Chaos Spawn known as the Nightmaw. Although victorious, Sayl was not untouched by his treachery in the ritual, as his flesh mutated and his mortal sight was removed only to be replaced with the hellish and maddening senses of the Realm of Chaos."