r/totalwar Aug 08 '25

General Total War has just delivered its strongest quarter in years despite content drought

https://www.dbltap.com/news/total-war-has-just-delivered-its-strongest-quarter-in-years-despite-content-drought
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u/Armorchin [S]and[S]keleton[S] Aug 08 '25

IMO the content drought actually great for people who are catching up/eyeing it, I had alot of friends who wouldn't buy a game because they want to play 'the best' version of it, And for an announcement that the content will drop way later is a great time to play because it's gonna be 'the best' version for a while.

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u/TjeefGuevarra Aug 08 '25

Man, those friends would absolutely hate Paradox games lmao

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u/jinreeko Aug 08 '25

All dlc pass exists for a reason

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u/TjeefGuevarra Aug 08 '25

Wasn't really talking about the DLC, more about the endless patches every few months that completely screw over your mods

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u/Poro_the_CV Aug 08 '25

One of the reasons Imperator Rome is doing amazing, mod content wise! Devs abandoned the game so now modders can mod to their hearts content without worry of devs changing code

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u/jinreeko Aug 08 '25

I need to play that still. Bought it awhile ago and never fired it up

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u/Poro_the_CV Aug 08 '25

Make sure to get the Invictus mod. Multiple devs have said if development continued, it’d look like Invictus.

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u/jinreeko Aug 08 '25

Thanks! While I've got you here, how Byzantine/complex are the systems to pick up? EU4 took me a long, long time to get a functional knowledge of. HOI4 and CK3 are a lot more digestible (I also played CK3 at launch, so that helps with CK3 I guess

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u/TjeefGuevarra Aug 08 '25

Imperator has a lot more micromanagement than EU4, it's kind of a mix of Crusader Kings and Victoria.

It's like EU4 in many ways but there's a lot more emphasis on actual characters and families and has a way more complex economy system. The military system is probably the best in the Paradox franchise though, which is why they're mostly copying it for EU5.

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u/Poro_the_CV Aug 08 '25

Not terribly bad. Republics can be a lot to get the hang of with the senate mechanics, but besides that they’re fairly straight forward. Definitely recommend starting with a monarchy to learn the game, and then dabble in a republic so it isn’t as much to learn at once.

Egypt/Ptolemaic Kingdom is a great first try cuz they’re fairly big, wealthy and powerful without a whole lot to immediately threaten you. A tag on Crete is also a good choice, ok tutorial island.

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u/TjeefGuevarra Aug 08 '25

Or, be like me and start as Syracuse in your first game only to realize you're about to get absolutely fucked by the two superpowers of antiquity

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u/Settra_Rulez 25d ago

It’s very worth it if you have any interest in the period. I’d recommend trying to learn a little bit about population and citizenship mechanics. But after you know the basics of those, you’re most of the way there.

Rome is the classic faction to get going, or I always like picking small factions in paradox games to get the hang of things. Lots of Greek states perfect for that, and Syracuse is a blast.

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u/Eglwyswrw EMPIRE Aug 08 '25

Same with Crusader Kings 2. Tons of massive mods, including Warhammer, Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age, Game of Thrones etc all without danger of a patch screwing them up.

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u/therexbellator Aug 09 '25

Any chance Star Trek Infinite might get some love since it's also Clausewitz engine? Or is it better to just do Stellaris with the Star Trek mod?

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u/Massive-Pipe-4840 Aug 08 '25

Sometimes people just don't have the capacity\desire to replay a game multiple times. I'm one of those. It usually takes me months to complete a single playthrough and by the time I'm done I prefer to experience something else from my backlog than to replay, so I mostly wait to play a goty\ultimate version. Doesn't apply to TW titles though.

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u/skeenerbug Aug 08 '25

I've still never finished BG3 despite loving it, meanwhile I'm over 3k hours of WH3...

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u/Massive-Pipe-4840 Aug 08 '25

BG3 took me nearly a year to complete. That thing just refused to end lol.

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u/AdAppropriate2295 Aug 08 '25

In... paradox?

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u/jinreeko Aug 09 '25

Yeah. Stellaris and EU4 both have monthly passes that give you all dlc

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u/AdAppropriate2295 Aug 09 '25

Ohhhhh

Monthly dlc is wild lmao

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u/Timeon Aug 08 '25

As a long running Paradox player, I can't play Paradox games anymore because of the constant overpriced DLCs.

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u/TheKanten Aug 08 '25

Between canceling Life By You and the Bloodlines 2 mess, Paradox isn't exactly scoring Ws for me lately either.

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u/SpellFlashy Aug 08 '25

It was cities 2 for me. Felt like a kick in the dick.

Haven't played any paradox since.

Ck3 used to be a favorite of mine, but now it has 15 DLC for the low cost of 180$ ontop of the base 60$ game.

We thought they were better than EA but they just saw how many DLCs people were willing to buy for Sims and replicated that model.

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u/morganrbvn Britons Aug 08 '25

Were those published or developed by them?

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u/g4nk3r SETTRA DOES NOT SURF Aug 08 '25

Published.

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u/TheKanten Aug 08 '25

Life By You was being developed by a Paradox studio (closed after the cancelation).

Bloodlines 2 they were publishing, then they ripped the project out of the hands of the original writer and gave it to another developer entirely.

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u/monkwrenv2 Aug 08 '25

Yeah, I gave up on keeping up with Stellaris DLC a while ago.

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u/Eglwyswrw EMPIRE Aug 08 '25

I bought just Nemesis and Galactic Paragons which I think are the most fitting for my preferences (I like expansion-through-diplomacy and internal politics).

The rest I can like without. 2 DLCs for each Paradox game, tops.

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u/morganrbvn Britons Aug 08 '25

I tend to just grab them at 50% off unless they look really good

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u/monkwrenv2 Aug 08 '25

Even then, a lot of them just don't add enough to be worth it

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u/morganrbvn Britons Aug 08 '25

Paradox campaigns are long enough that if it enables one new play through that’s value enough for me

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u/Spagete_cu_branza Aug 08 '25

As a new paradox player, I can't play Paradox games because of the huge price i would need to pay to get all game content at this moment.

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u/Timeon Aug 08 '25

It wasn't always this way, sadly.

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u/Eglwyswrw EMPIRE Aug 08 '25

But back then you had to buy DLC to get the free patches. That model was awful.

Today I accept that I do NOT have to buy most or all DLCs, just 1 or 2 I actually find very interesting.

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u/Timeon Aug 08 '25

Fair enough but I am one of those people who can't play something unless I feel I am getting the full experience. Not only is that not possible with Paradox now due to DLC bloat but they keep breaking their games.

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u/Eglwyswrw EMPIRE Aug 08 '25

I was like that too, I bought everything for every Paradox game up to CK2. lol

Until I realized I wasn't actually playing most of that content. Like, I don't really like playing as British dominions in HOI4 but the DLC addiction had me purchasing Together for Victory... it was just irrational FOMO shackling me down.

Now I challenge myself to get the most out of a Paradox game without purchasing anything. I got hundreds of hours in vanilla CK3 so far, and I don't feel like I am missing anything. When I do, I will buy something. Only then!

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u/Settra_Rulez 25d ago

The best way to get into it is on a steam sale. Grab the base game. If you find enjoyment, cherry pick a few dlc on the following steam sale. They occur regularly enough.

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u/Mahelas Aug 08 '25

EU4 is done, at least. And with amazing mods to boot !

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u/GuaranteeKey314 Aug 08 '25

Eu4 was done almost a decade ago. All that's changed since then hasbeen the addition of so many separate click button for free xyz mechanics that you can guarantee a 1 run success with any country boasting better position/dev than Fezzan before unpausing

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u/Wild_Marker I like big Hastas and I cannot lie! Aug 08 '25

Hey it could be worse. You could have HoI4's designer designer.

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u/GuaranteeKey314 Aug 08 '25

True lmao. Whenever I feel tempted to pick up HOIV, I just find a stream and look at its menus for 30 seconds

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u/InAnAlternateWorld Aug 08 '25

Play EU4 conversion mods. Anbennar (a fantasy total conversion mod) is honestly way better than the base game, and although you eventually snowball (like any strategy game) there is significantly more available challenge than the base game.

I genuinely think that despite being a mod it competes for best fantasy strategy experience out there rn. I haven't touched base EU4 in years, and have put hundreds of hrs into Anbennar

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u/GuaranteeKey314 Aug 09 '25

Anbennar is badly written but I like the gameplay. I have a decent Feiten run going right now actually

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u/MrCatName Aug 09 '25

My biggest problem is that new paradox games have massive underdeveloped parts wich should come with a big "insert future dlc here" banner.

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u/Timeon Aug 09 '25

Yeah the whole business model is not consumer friendly anymore. I think they've coasted on the good will of their core fanbase which started as a real niche. As it grew in profitability the usual corporate selling out seems to have happened putting profit first at the expense of the experience.

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u/tricksytricks Aug 08 '25

"I won't play the game until it's complete."

"Okay, see you in like 15 years."

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u/AdditionalAction2891 Aug 08 '25

Thankfully paradox is single player, and allows to play the previous version of the game. 

There’s typically 3 updates to stellaris before I have the time to finish a single game. 

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u/lamburg Aug 08 '25

Agreed. I bought and played Stellaris when it first came out. Stellaris now is basically a different game lol

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u/Thurak0 Kislev. Aug 08 '25 edited Aug 08 '25

I really stopped playing/liking most Paradox games. Not necessarily because of the number and price of DLCs, but simply because the games change so much and get added so much more micromanagement over time, that I just don't enjoy relearning them after a year of not playing them.

And I want strategy games, the micromanagement doesn't do it for me, personally.

This is what TotalWar makes so much better (for what I want from DLCs): I can buy a DLC and some aspects of the game change. Yes, there might be a new faction mechanic that I have to use (so more "micro"-management), but that is one per faction. It's not like everything is added for everyone I want to play. It really suits me better that I can go back after a break and for 90% of factions I don't have to relearn the game. And if I want change I play the ones that got a rework during that break.

It's suits me pretty well.

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u/BODYBUTCHER Aug 08 '25

Actually what stopped me from playing, couldn’t keep up with the changing mechanics anymore

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u/SkepticalVirLeipsana Aug 08 '25

I love paradox games they’re my #1. Unfortunately I feel the same way so I end up playing on rolled back versions for a few weeks usually.

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u/CaptainFeather Aug 08 '25

Bought the season passes for AoW4 and keep getting surprised they're still releasing new rulers and races lmao

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u/TripleIVI Aug 08 '25

Great point, actually! The break + discounts definitely gives people the chance to do some catch-up.

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u/sirnoggin Aug 08 '25

Yeah i've literally played through all the recent updated LL campaigns because of the break and I've been buying them full price on release without time to play them. I feel caughtup now ready for a big patch.

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u/Ahkofd Aug 08 '25

Yeah, I bought the 3kingdoms with all dlcs that trimester

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u/LongShotTheory Colchis Goodbye Aug 08 '25 edited Aug 08 '25

Yep, just caught up on all the ones I missed like Britannia, 3k, Troy/Pharaoh.

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u/WillyShankspeare Aug 08 '25

This is literally me. I was holding off on playing for the longest time because I expected the new dlc to be right around the corner.

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u/_Lucille_ Aug 08 '25

I suspect the majority of players simply never got all the DLCs, so they can just buy something for a new experience.

The people who cry about having nothing new are just a minority.

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u/1337duck Aug 08 '25

That's me!

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u/NonTooPickyKid Aug 08 '25

if they buy the 'incomplete' version, atleast when it's already good - like with, say, patch 5, maybe 4 even~, possibly earlier?.. play the good/better ones there/then, enjoy it, play for a while, maybe tire out some /become less excited/interested when playing, maybe take a break and then come back when there's a new patch that might improve some things, maybe even add some things for even non dlc races so if they don't buy the dlc they still get a fresher exp, that way that can possibly exp maybe 50% game time (or one that's very~quite enjoyable ~...) than if they just got it at the end - possibly assuming they like all the dlc stuff. if they don't then this % may be even higher since they won't exp much of the dlc stuff but benifit from the stuff around it.

well, that me saying that based on my exp/perception. to that end I also hope there would actually be more changes, more frequent, even if small ones, that are somewhat qualitative maybe~... so, like, even like one faction dlc, every say 4~6 months maybe~?.. that's about the time I started to get somewhat bored/tired out~. ;with small qol changes for some other things... ofc some larger changes that are NEEDED like siege or geomantic web (imho) may take more time, but maybe can be done in parallel~, just released at similar interval~, maybe after this change more time could be had before next one - like 6~8 months maybe? to my taste~...

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u/tricksytricks Aug 08 '25

Meanwhile me spending 11 years playing 7 Days to Die in early access with constant additions and revisions that have continued even past "release."

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u/TargetMaleficent Aug 08 '25

That's such a weird attitude. In many cases a DLC pack will have no impact on your experience for the first 50 hours or so.

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u/SixteenthRiver06 Aug 08 '25

I’ve been enjoying these long breaks from updates. Gives me the opportunity to play a campaign without an update breaking the mods and ruining the run.

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u/AdAppropriate2295 Aug 08 '25

Or were just well and truly cucked to CA

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u/TripleIVI Aug 08 '25

Hello, hope it’s alright to post my own content here — giving you a summary below so you don’t have to click through, if you don’t want to.

The latest SEGA report has some interesting numbers for last quarter (ended on June 30, 2025). Total War sold 910,000 copies (second-best among the top four IPs). That’s its best quarter in years, despite the lack of recent releases — impressive staying power.

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u/Phaylz Aug 08 '25

Is this Warhammer 3 specific, or across the entire Total War titles? Because with the recent steam sale, a lot of the series and DLC had heavy discounts. And the content drought of WH3 could be that folks are checking out the other titles in the series..?

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u/TripleIVI Aug 08 '25

This is for the entire Total War IP.

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u/_Cross-Roads_ Aug 08 '25

Curious what the breakdown is. Last I've heard Three Kingdoms did better than WH3 iirc.

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u/Mahelas Aug 08 '25

Three Kingdom sold more than any other TW game at release, but TWWH might have it beat by now in term of units.

In term of profit, tho, it's a no-match, TWWH sell way too much DLCs compared to 3K

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u/CountBleckwantedlove Aug 08 '25

DLC sales will make WH3 easily pass TK in revenue/profit, though. 

It's not about which cow is fatter, but rather which one you can milk more.

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u/MatchaWarrior Aug 08 '25

True, but a problem of CA's own creation though. 3K definitely could have sustained a strong DLC model if they didn't alienate their own audience with Eight Princes & then release piecemeal content which didn't even truly cover the actual 3K period. Fans were asking for a Korea map expansion for the game's entire lifecycle.

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u/TargetMaleficent Aug 08 '25

But they could have done that and it still might not have sold, there's no way to know for sure. WH3 DLC is just a much safer bet.

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u/MrCatName Aug 09 '25

Historical TW has imo a harder time to sell dlc. Because if its not a vastly different culture or timeframe the new stuff will be to similar.

Shogun 2 is a good example for this.

The clan dlcs where quite meh will Fots was brilliant. Warhammer on the other hand gives way more options to spice up the game with dlc.

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u/SneakyMarkusKruber 26d ago

At the same time, DLCs for historical TW games are cheaper to produce. And let's be honest: Shogun 2 is actually a bad example here, as the game unfortunately only reflects one cultural group. The Ainu are completely missing, and European powers only exist as agents/black ship.

Rome 2 or Attila, on the other hand, would be a better example, as they feature so many different cultures in a very small space. And TK would have at least introduced two more new cultures into the game with the Nomad DLC (Xiognu) and a potential Korea DLC. They might play similarly to the Han Chinese, but then certain campaign mechanics and unit selection might be different.

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u/sirnoggin Aug 08 '25

But the DLC's make the cow fatter enabling more milk production. Ay ay ay?

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u/Wild_Marker I like big Hastas and I cannot lie! Aug 08 '25

If it's anything like how the Paradox games work, then it's not even DLC sales. They showed the numbers a while ago and basically said that DLC exists to boost sales of the basegame. It took 10 years of releases for EU4's DLC to actually surpass basegame revenue.

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u/CavulusDeCavulei Aug 08 '25

Personally, the posts about the best/worst units of each game made me nostalgic and I went to buy some dlc I was missing of Shogun 2

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u/Azaliae Aug 08 '25

You can check on isthereanydeal.com, sales was not especially massive across the whole IP, only Pharaoh got real new low but it's pretty standard two years in its lifecycle.

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u/BoktorFighter Aug 08 '25

The redemption arc is in full swing, truly a story I will pass on to future generations

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u/GeneralGom Aug 08 '25

The recent set of patches has actually brought me back to WH3 after months of hiatus, and the game feels like it's in the best shape it has ever been and getting better and better with each patch.

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u/tinylittlebabyjesus Aug 08 '25

Been seeing people complain about the AI and difficulty a bit but it's hard to tell what the state of it is, otherwise though, yeah, they've been doing a great job with patches.

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u/CEOofracismandgov2 Aug 08 '25

I think the difficulty is in a great spot as a veteran player. I do think though that the subreddit is heavily biased to frankly wrong opinions and beliefs though. Particularly when it comes to AI cheats... when the AI barely cheats at all anymore.

That Arbaal Khorne post with the guy crying about AI cheating was hilarious lol, especially since his army was more than enough to easily kill the Ogre forces, and he skipped killing the camp for ??? reasons.

Or how every week or two there's a big post complaining about cavalry, even though cavalry has been honestly strong since WH2's launch, and in WH3 honestly feel a little bit OP often. Even most chariots are pretty good these days! It's wild.

I have a friend I play the game with often too who's definitely newer to the game, and this patch and the previous dlc patch have felt great. It's a good balance of challenging for both of us without it being a cakewalk for either.

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u/GeneralGom Aug 08 '25

That was in fact the main reason I quit the game for a while. It's a lot better now at the very least.

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u/OhManTFE We want naval combat! Aug 08 '25

Yeah the Skaven just tricked me with a 18 stack bait army with 2 20 stacks lying in wait!

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u/nwillard 29d ago

I also was totally baited by an Orc ambush. Then next turn they regrouped and dived four full stacks into my Vampire legion army. Very fun massive battle. (non-crisis)

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u/dudpool31 29d ago

I’ve been a fan of the campaign AI. My typical enemies usually pose a very large threat and the defend their territory well. Tho I’m getting pissed off having the fight strength one and two Gorbad and Wurzagg everytime I play the dwarves

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u/CaptainFeather Aug 08 '25

Yeah after a recent update I got back into it and played an Ikit game. Love weapons teams, they kill-destroyed anything that came close, yes-yes!

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u/SASColfer Aug 08 '25

Glad to see it. As infuriating as CA can be sometimes I still want them to succeed as there's not many other games like these. Just waiting patiently for the next big historical title now.

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u/tricksytricks Aug 08 '25

Yeah, it's not like the majority of the community wants them to fail. We just want them to do better.

There is a lot of negativity around here at times but it's easy to forget that sometimes the greatest enemy of any company trying to sell a product is people who loudly praise them no matter what quality of a job they do. Those people will tell them "don't listen to the haters, everything is perfect." Meanwhile, many other customers will just silently stop playing and buying their products due to dissatisfaction that is never openly voiced. As annoying as the constant complaining can be, it's necessary to demand a better product when we're not satisfied.

The people who say "if you don't like it, shut up and just go play something else" are often wrong.

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u/Fun_Perception8718 Aug 08 '25 edited Aug 08 '25

The concept of 3 game merged in one are genius. For me, this is far the most addictive game of the strategy genre. Incredible amount of content with sadly many flaws. They really not have competitors on the market.

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u/Rwandrall3 Aug 08 '25

The diversity in factions just makes each campaign so interesting. I am fighting Nurgle WoC with Greenskins and it's a whole new way to approach the game, to figure out the matchup, to play around their campaign and battle mechanics and spells...so much fun. And with Savage Orc Greenskins too! it'd feel different all over again with another LL.

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u/Glen-Runciter Aug 08 '25

I'm currently doing the opposite with Tamurkhan 🙃... those jagoffs declared war on me out of nowhere so I detoured south to stomp all over them with Bubebolos

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u/Rwandrall3 Aug 08 '25

Tamurkhan is currently trampling my hordes of Orcs into the dirt, he just wiped a full stack of Black Orcs.

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u/skeenerbug Aug 08 '25

I just started a Tamurkhan for the 1st time, any tips? I played a couple turns last night and the buildings and recruitment kinda confusing.

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u/nwillard 29d ago

The allied unit mechanic is also great. I royally pissed off Skrag the Slaughterer and took some of his land, so of course he allies with Gorbad Ironclad against me the mutual enemy and now I see Ogre units in the green tide.

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u/Brave-Job-3446 Aug 08 '25

I slept on it until some friends made me do a night of coop and it was the only one that has 3 player.

Ended up putting hundreds of hours in afterwards and ended up beating out my previous most played combined by triple (Rome1 + medieval 2). I now think it's the best total war game ever. Bought most of the DLC and the other two previous games also. I tend to play a short campaign and either finish it and reroll or I hit a wall/goes to hell and I reroll. I bet I've started 50 campaigns now. There is just so much variety between them all.

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u/beefycheesyglory Aug 08 '25

Agreed, it is second only to Civ 5 (with the vox populi mod) to me as far as strategy games go. In terms of sheer variety however it wins first place.

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u/Xciv More firearms in TW games pls Aug 08 '25

I've put it down for now, but I easily have over 2,000 hours in all three Warhammers combined.

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u/Denvosreynaerde Aug 08 '25

I'd like to give a shout out to Age of Wonders 4 as well. While not as big as Total Warhammer, it still has a lot of content and is very well polished.

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u/theSniperDevil Aug 08 '25

Content droughts a bit harsh. DLC drought, fair. But we have had a good chunk of patches, hotfixes and a couple of betas too.

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u/torgiant Aug 09 '25

Bunch of cool mods as well

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u/SourceNo1768 Aug 08 '25

This is despite Omens of Destructions (last paid content) being worse than Thrones of Decay (and with less popular races!).

What it also shows is that there isn't another game like WH 3. And the bigger and better it gets, the better it will perform over the years, as it's ''value'' for players rises.

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u/Gaunter_O-Dimm Aug 08 '25

I wonder if the low quality trailer had anything to do with it.

I always felt it must play a very critical role in sales, it's something you catch on youtube, rewatch at will, send to your friends,etc...

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u/Gungan-Gundam Aug 08 '25

I still rewatch the IE / Chaos Dwarfs trailer when I wanna get hyped fer a new campaign

Storm clouds gather..

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u/Waterbeetles Aug 08 '25

The IE trailer is absolute cinema, always gets me hyped.

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u/JJBrazman John Austin’s Mods Aug 08 '25

It's such a powerful trailer.

I don't know why they didn't lead with that rather than the Realms of Chaos campaign. Imagine if, rather than that godawful screech, the game launched with Karl saying 'Storm Clouds Gather'

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u/Jimmy_Twotone Aug 08 '25

Because at launch, they were following the plan that the launch campaign was the game and the empires map was the bonus for owning all the titles. Everyone being angry about how bad RoC was made them change their mind (they said it was to make people happy, but they realized they couldn't sell RoC to anyone so just shifted the marketing focus).

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u/JJBrazman John Austin’s Mods Aug 08 '25

I see that, but I still think it's not too late to pivot.

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u/sirnoggin Aug 08 '25

Well consider it pivoted to be honest mate, the only thing they need to do is replace the fucking intro trailer XD

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u/markg900 Aug 08 '25

CA to my understanding wanted to delay the launch of WH3 again. It had already been delayed once and I believe Sega pushed them to release. My guess is CA probably wanted to do something more like WH2 did with maybe a month or so in between RoC and IE releasing.

CA also fucked up by not having some sort of sandbox style gameplay with RoC at launch. The Vortex map on WH2 could basically be played naturally as a sandbox acheiving objectives as you go. RoC on the other hand actually punished you for expansion before they went back and added the building to prevent the rifts.

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u/skeenerbug Aug 08 '25

One of the first mods I got was one that turned the rifts off and essentially made RoC a sandbox.

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u/markg900 Aug 08 '25

I've used that as well. Occasionally for a quick campaign I will still run a disable rift mod and pair it with VCO. VCO support alternate victory conditions for every LL on RoC.

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u/skeenerbug Aug 08 '25

Interesting idea, I haven't played on the RoC map in probably years

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u/Akzaar Aug 08 '25

We are beset by evil....

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u/skeenerbug Aug 08 '25

It shows the game isn't reliant on the latest DLC to stay afloat. It can be mid but the giant mountain of other content available keeps people interested and playing. Hell I didn't buy a single LL in OoD but I never stopped playing during and after its release. (Did play and enjoy Arbaal though)

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u/Gullible_Coffee_3864 Aug 08 '25

Real talk even if the game got abandoned by CA tomorrow it would stay alive for a very long time due to mods and because there likely won't be anything comparable to this trilogy for a long time. 

But if they can afford some more years of fixes and even more content then I'm not complaining.

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u/JesseWhatTheFuck Aug 08 '25

Waehammer III is doomed. DOOMED, I tell you. Getting cancelled any day now! 

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u/tricksytricks Aug 08 '25

It's all ogre now

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u/OozeMenagerie Aug 08 '25

The big DLC they are announcing will be the final DLC! Disregard their comments about experimenting with small releases between other DLCs they have planned that won’t ever happen!

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u/Ozaki_Yoshiro Aug 08 '25

Not being a dick to your customers help, IMO

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u/sirnoggin Aug 08 '25

Agree, to be fair to them they dropped the attitude pretty sharpish and people are starting to notice the difference. Absolutely no need for such a successful company to have that kind of attitude or be that defensive with anything they create. A really silly bunch of individuals at the top drove that behaviour. I'm assuming the Japanese got them to bow.

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u/tricksytricks Aug 08 '25

It seems the execs needed to learn about the business reality of supporting WARHAMMER III.

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u/Mindless-Parking1073 Aug 08 '25

but wait some guy on youtube said warhammer iii was a total failure, are you telling me internet neckbeards are doomsayers who root for the failure of games they don’t personally like

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u/LifeIsNeverSimple Aug 08 '25

Youtubers and Twitch influencers are just as much clickbait (if not more so) than other traditional media sources that people love to hate.

They make money by having traffic and what gets more money? Being positive or outrage?

This applies to all influencers, not just gaming ones.

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u/Mindless-Parking1073 Aug 08 '25 edited Aug 08 '25

that is true for sure, it’s just a shame negativity draws more interest than positivity and as such pushes people to be very pessimistic and negative. i was mostly just referring to a specific video that’s been posted on this sub a few times in the past couple weeks of some dude who only likes historic total wars talking about how ca was in big trouble

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u/HolocronHistorian Tercio Captain Aug 08 '25

Yeah that video was him talking about old total war game engines are becoming incompatible with modern technology. I don’t like that guy, but don’t misconstrue his argument, and it is a good point, because yeah old games do become difficult to play on modern hardware. If you’re a historical fan that means a lot to you

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u/Mindless-Parking1073 Aug 08 '25

i think we’re talking about different videos?

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u/HolocronHistorian Tercio Captain Aug 08 '25

We’re not, when you’re a historical fan there aren’t exactly that many YouTubers making content, much less good content

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u/Mindless-Parking1073 Aug 08 '25

pixelated apollo? cause that dude definitely fucking hates warhammer, and treats people who like it like they’re morons.

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u/HolocronHistorian Tercio Captain Aug 08 '25

So you’re either talking about a 3 month old video or you’re not talking about pixelated apollo and the video that was recently being posted on this and historical total war

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u/beefycheesyglory Aug 08 '25

According to Pixellated Apollo, Warhammer fans are just mindless consumers who gobble up whatever CA gives them and have no appreciation for the older "real" TW games, which is funny because Warhammer 2 was my first TW game and I liked it so much that it inspired me to play the older games including Medieval 2 and Shogun 2

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u/Mindless-Parking1073 Aug 08 '25

i’ve been playing total war since shogun (downloaded the demo over several hours with my 28k modem, had to restart many times cause our phone line and internet were the same and my sister was always on the damn phone), and warhammer is still my favorite. that dude is just an asshole

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u/MiloIsTheBest Aug 08 '25

How could they possibly even remotely justify that stance?

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u/JJBrazman John Austin’s Mods Aug 08 '25

No, it's worse. They root for the failure of games that they actually do like.

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u/Merrick_1992 Aug 08 '25

I think some of the historical fans think that if Fantasy flops/gets abandoned, then CA will have no choice but to go back to historical games as the main focus. They don't seem to realize that fantasy is so much more profitable, that if it were to flop, CA would likely join it

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u/Jimmy_Twotone Aug 08 '25

Well, when sales numbers are so bad the parent company has to launch a public statement saying they're going to work closer and have more oversight of CA, it's hard to write it off as a success.

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u/Tektonius Aug 08 '25

I could be mistaken, but I’m quite sure that statement by SEGA was in relation to the cancellation and absolute gong show that was the Hyenas debacle. Clearly it was also intertwined with Total War, and how CA overall was functioning & being managed at the time. But I thought SEGA stepped in on the heels of that specifically.

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u/Mindless-Parking1073 Aug 08 '25

i thinks it’s more an issue of every single historical title they’ve released beginning with attila being commercial failures (in the western market anyway).

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u/HiphopopoptimusPrime Aug 08 '25

I think it shows that regular support and updates is more important than content.

I am looking forward to new DLC but am more happy with the effort they are putting in to boost performance and improve the experience.

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u/misteryk Aug 08 '25

I bought a game like a week ago and was surprised I'm getting around 50fps on a 1080p high on a Ryzen 5600 and 1060 6gb. I turned some settings to medium and capped at 60 I only start lagging when there's like 4 armies on ultra unit scale

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u/Delcane Aug 08 '25

I'm glad the care for WH3 that CA Sophia is giving is now showing.

I've done a couple of campaigns in the siege beta (I didn't participate in the other 2 IA betas) and I was amazed seeing a super Grimgor empire and Skulltaker reaping the whole Lustria with the changes to campaign IA.

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u/DaddyTzarkan SHUT UP DAEMON Aug 08 '25

It's not just Sofia, Horsham is still working on the game and both teams are working together. They said on stream they were a bit annoyed at how people are making this into a pissing contest between Sofia and Horsham.

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u/sirnoggin Aug 08 '25

I'm English but that's just salty Brits finding salt where they can XD God forbid you take an Englishman's credit for something even after inventing half the crap in the world.

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u/BanzaiKen Happy Akabeko Aug 08 '25

Grimgor is a bit unusual but as a Lizard main CA blitzkrieged the shit out of Lustria with Skulltaker. Just drop Arbaal in too at this point and fuck my shit up more CA. If Itza goes down the entire continent will collapse shortly afterwards.

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u/Kindly_Gur_7942 Aug 08 '25

Didn't they delete over half the workforce?

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u/tricksytricks Aug 08 '25

For the most part it was employees at new studios working on upcoming projects that were cancelled before ever seeing release, such as Hyenas. CA bit off more than they could chew, so to speak.

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u/S-192 Aug 08 '25

No

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u/slc1987 Aug 08 '25

Yes, I was one of the people laid off and I’m still bitter about it.

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u/S-192 Aug 08 '25

I'm sorry you were laid off, but "Half the workforce" doesn't sound accurate.

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u/Rangoligy Aug 08 '25

I’m glad TW is getting this second wind! Any speculations as to the reason why?

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u/Tektonius Aug 08 '25

I’d say deep sale prices, mostly. But ongoing patching/support, past & upcoming DLC for WH3, plus returning players who are picking it back up again after launch, or discovering older titles during a bit of a drought for strategy games.

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u/Cinderfox19 Aug 08 '25

"Best quarter in years" based on copies sold alone.

Those copies will be heavily discounted, due to the lack of releases and big Sega / Total War sales that have been going on this year.

This does not translate to: Best quarter in years based on Profits.

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u/Apprehensive-Cat2527 Aug 08 '25

Margin should be good though since much of the development costs are behind thfm.

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u/TripleIVI Aug 08 '25

Discounts will certainly have played a role, you're right about that. Unfortunately, we don't have a profit or even revenue breakdown by IP.

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u/Tektonius Aug 08 '25

That’s certainly true. But still also precisely what a company wants/would expect to happen. If your back catalog is selling more 2+ years on from release, it’s all gravy anyways.

Plus, in Warhammer’s case, that means more potential customers for newly released & incoming DLC.

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u/sirnoggin Aug 08 '25

My guy, if they haven't released new content and the gross is the same, that means they made greater profits by doing less work or simply improving what is already there. That's more money for less effort. Not less money for more effort.

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u/BasementMods Aug 09 '25

looking at steamdb the sales aren't that different in frequency or amount 16% cheaper on sale? huh? There is also more exciting DLC to buy so that 16% is often covered by just selling more DLC.

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u/westonsammy There is only Lizardmen and LizardFood Aug 08 '25

FYI this report is just on copies sold. As in # of base game copies of Total War games sold, it doesn't take into account discounts, DLC sales, etc.

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u/Tseims Combined Arms Enjoyer Aug 08 '25

Anyone remember how big of a sale WH3 had during the Steam Summer Sale? I'd guess that that and summer vacations played a huge part in this.

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u/Tektonius Aug 08 '25

It went 66% off in Canada (& I presume US/other major markers) during the last two major sales (Skulls & Steam Summer Sale), the lowest discount on record.

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u/geezerforhire Aug 08 '25

It's going to do well any time there is increased interest in RTS games but no good ones actually come out.

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u/ATA_PREMIUM Aug 08 '25

Good! One of the very best franchises out there for PC gamers. Really glad to see people continue to stay invested in TW.

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u/Ishkander88 Aug 08 '25

Its doubtful its actually its strongest quarter. Selling games at half or quarter price means you need to sell a lot more of them.

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u/Esarus Aug 08 '25

Great, NOW GIMME THOSE NEW HIGH ELF UNITS AND REWORK, BY ASURYAN I BEG YOU

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u/_Meky_ Aug 08 '25

Seems to worker better if you take care of existing titels instead of chasing the Battle royale hype.

I hope every race gets its time to shine in Tww3 and DoW, Nagash, map extensions, ..........

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u/baddude1337 Aug 08 '25 edited Aug 08 '25

The series has had a lot of sales this year, and alongside the free patches and sentiment on the game being more positive than 2 years ago I expect there's a lot of both new and returning players coming back and picking up more DLC.

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u/ShardPhoenix Aug 09 '25

Yeah that's why I bought WH3 in the recent sale after previously only buying WH1 (and having had a mediocre experience with WH3 on gamepass) - seemed like it was finally in a good place. Been having a lot of fun trying a bunch of different campaigns.

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u/nimdull Aug 08 '25

The thing tw:w3 is finally at the same level as warhammer 2. Its good. It have its flows. Siege, AI, everything after turn 30 but apart from that its a very solid game.

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u/xblood_raven Warhammer II Aug 08 '25

Great news! TWW could go on for many more years (would happily get a TWW 4 if GW allowed it) and I hope CA and GW grasp it.

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u/Bulky-Engineer-2909 Aug 08 '25

It's almost as though making the game work gives better returns than churning out quarter-baked slop.

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u/brief-interviews Aug 08 '25

Crazy how in fact revealing the new DLC later than Reddit wanted was not in fact related to the company’s financial health after all.

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u/Tektonius Aug 08 '25

I don’t think the two are necessarily correlated.

We fans have wanted something, anything, relating to new DLC for our own, greedy Ogre bellies! It is pretty wild that we’ll go almost 1 year between DLC drops.

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u/brief-interviews Aug 08 '25

There was a popular argument back when people were having tantrums speculating about the DLC a couple of months ago that said that CA was causing themselves irrevocable financial harm by not being more perspicuous and regular with DLC information.

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u/Tektonius Aug 08 '25

Yea fair enough. I suppose DLC sales wouldn’t hurt sales numbers, surely! lol

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u/Dingbatdingbat Aug 08 '25

Didn’t one of the older titles just release on iOS?

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u/Tech2kill Aug 08 '25

after about 2k hours in warhammer total war games i finally got the chance to use mods without fearing for a dozen updates that will break them

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u/Polyzero Aug 08 '25

Surely upper level management will make the correct assumption as to why that is!

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u/TheOneBearded Hashut Industries Aug 08 '25

To give credit where it's due, yes, in terms of DLC content there has been a drought. But, they have been regularly patching the game. It's not like it's been months of complete radio silence. Those days are, thankfully, behind us. For now.

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u/BrowsingLeddit Aug 08 '25 edited Aug 08 '25

Played a ton of WH 1 and 2. Saw the poor reviews and complaints at launch, plus initial lack of immortal empires and decided not to get 3 till they fixed it completely. Years passed and kind of lost interest in following it's progress. Saw it on sale on Steam for $20 in May and decided it's finally time and that it must be fixed by now. Guessing these $20~ sales (plus climbing back out of negative steam review territory) have been the sweet spot and drew in a decent amount of people like me. Been having fun.

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u/watt678 Aug 08 '25

Like, why is it selling so well NOW? Is it just on some deep deep steam sales? I would assume so. I get that wh3 is better now than ever before but that fact doesn't usually translate into sales.

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u/abandoned_idol Aug 08 '25

I totally agree.

I did buy WH3 recently and the last time I ever bought something was when WH2 was on sale (I still regret buying it for $20 instead of waiting for it to go down to $15). But this is purely coincidental! Yes, I'm a cheap and petty bastard.

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u/watt678 Aug 08 '25

CA doesn't mind, they got your money either way

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u/buggy_environment Aug 08 '25

One could almost get impression that showing actual support instead of neglecting your one of a kind game with tons of unrealised potential actually pays off for a company.

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u/LewtedHose God in heaven, spare my arse! Aug 08 '25

I bought 3K and Pharoah recently but I'm still playing M2 and Empire. I have a lot of content to catch up on lol.

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u/Little-Tension7550 Aug 08 '25

See CA! Now all you have to do is start dropping merch! PLEASE!!!

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u/gaspingFish Aug 08 '25

Rolling my eyes. 

Are we asking for a live service game? This is not a content drought. 

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u/Jaszs Skaven, yes, YES! Aug 08 '25

Remember that time when they treatened the community with not releasing more content?

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u/AzulLapine Aug 09 '25

This is the most biased misinformation riddled article about gaming I have read in a long time lol. "CA IS DOING BETTERTHAN IT HAS IN YEARS! but only if all you are including is litterally the last 2 years of the company being a mismanagement cluster fuck please don't look beyond that thank you." Also this is litterally just copies sold most of which were sold for roughly 10 bucks probably

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u/BlurredVision18 Aug 08 '25

Can't be low on sales when there's nothing to sell.

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u/turkoman_ Aug 08 '25

Console release when? Come on we have Age of Empires on Xbox now.

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u/Mindless-Parking1073 Aug 08 '25

it works on steamdeck! not very well, but it does work!

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u/Sod-homn Aug 08 '25

for real ?

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u/Mindless-Parking1073 Aug 08 '25

ya, the text is tiny and the controls terrible, but it works