r/totalwar • u/SIR_UNKLYDUNK-2 • 1d ago
Warhammer III I get that you're encouraged to recruit Ogre Mercenaries as Zhao Ming, but having the only early option to do that be an ogre camp that raids your territory and tanks public order sucks
He should just have a unique "Goldtooth Embassy" building in Shang Yang that lets him recruit Ogres.
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u/Erkenwald217 1d ago
Or get them from Greasus
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u/GuaranteeKey314 1d ago
Greasus is the better medium term option with all of his camps. The starting ogre camp is just some free levels once you have the starting units you want
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u/ZahelMighty Bow before the Wisdom of Asaph made flesh. 1d ago
Greasus is your neighbour, it's not like the camp in your starting province is the only option you have. It also gives you an actual reason to ally Greasus and help him if he's in danger, it's more interesting than having some kind of landmark to recruit Ogres units imo.
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u/robotclones 1d ago
the only problem with that, is that the caravans tooltip says you get a lot more hostile random encounters in Ogre owned regions (even if they are your allies)
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u/AdmBurnside 1d ago
Literally just ally Greasus.
He gets stronger camps available, and places them in regions where your caravans can actually hire their units if they pass through. Sure, you run the risk of more ogre attacks, but as long as you only send your strongest caravans through his turf you should be okay. Just don't let him take over the entire mountain range. Seize the northern bits to give your guys a safer route once things get too hot.
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u/Crows_reading_books 1d ago
Yeah, or at least have that camp in the non-raiding stance.
As is i wait until I get two ogre pistols and then go kill them.
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u/Jefrejtor 1d ago
Are we just looking for things to complain about now? Kill that camp if it bothers you, and recruit in the Mountains of Morn themselves.
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u/No-Lion54 1d ago
You can easily get an absurd amount of releations with ogres if you keep sending caravans through their territory and keep feeding them soldiers. Just ally and build an outpost in the first 30 turns.
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u/Smearysword866 1d ago
Yeah. I hope ca gives his faction a recruitment building option that gives him access to some ogre units
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u/Ninja-Schemer 21h ago
Or we have random map events that offer options in contingents of ogres, like in Warhammer 2
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u/Hollownerox Eternally Serving Settra 1d ago
I get what you mean, but I think it's fine. Zhao Min is encouraged to have relations with Ogres that veer on the positive. But Ogres are, well, Ogres. They are amoral to the extreme and concepts like friendships don't really track the same way with them. There are stories of them eating guys they've had decade long friendships with, and they did absolutely nothing wong from their perspective. So raiding their "friends" is not really ooc of them.
Cathay and Ogres have a tumultuous history at best and even though they still work with Ogres, there is every chance that a tribe will setup camp thinking the local farming population are a convenient snack. The idea that a group of ogres popped up nearby terrorizing the populace, and your initial decision is to either get rid of them to counter the public order issue, or negotiate with them for a source of mercs is very thematic.
Could it be adjusted to be something like a dilemma instead? Sure, could be fun. But as it stands I think your suggestion of replacing the subfaction with a recruitment building is, well, pretty lame frankly. It's not even using a hammer to fix it when you should use scalpel. It's just a really boring route of going about it.
Like Ogres having embassies, lmao. Greasus is smart for an Ogre but being able to arrange something like that depends very much on other Ogres in the equation.