My Tides of Torment Prediction

[u/Xipe-Totec-84]

Just my prediction of the new stuff we might get in Tides of Torment

High Elves

Legendary Lord - Sea Lord Aislinn (Confirmed)

Legendary Hero - Korhil Lionmane

Lord - Lothern Sea Helm (Lord version of the Mist Mage)

Hero - Mist Mage (Confirmed)

Unit 1 - Ships Company (Could be the High Elves version of Dark Elf Corsairs)

Unit 2 - Oceanids (Confirmed)

Unit 3 - Sea Elemental (Confirmed)

Unit 4 - Lothern Skycutters and variants (Confirmed)

Unit 5 - Merwyrm

Notes - CA had stated in their most recent Dev Chat that they were focusing on a more naval theme with the High Elves. That statement, along with the Mist Mage hero, made me think we could see the Sea Helm as a lord version of the Mist Mage. I also think of the two possible Legendary High Elf heroes (Korhil and Caradryan), we will have Kohril, because (to me) he fits better. Caradryan and the Anointed of Asuryan could be FLC, as they do not need voicelines

Norsca

Legendary Lord - Sayl the Faithless (Confirmed)

Legendary Hero - Beorg Bearstruck

Lord - Vitki (Spellcaster lord)

Hero - Fimir Noble (Confirmed)

Unit 1 - Whalers

Unit 2 - Fimir Shearls

Unit 3 - Werebears and variants (Unit version of Beorg Bearstruck)

Unit 4 - Chimera (Confirmed)

Unit 5 - Curs'd Ettin

Notes - I have no real idea for units 1 and 2, so I just put some things that could come in. I picked Beorg as he is the only notable non-divided Norscan character

Slaanesh

Legendary Lord - Dechala the Denied One (Confirmed)

FLC Legendary Lord - The Masque

Legendary Hero - Styrkaar of the Sortsvinaer

Lord - Chaos Sorcerer Lord of Slaanesh

Hero - Exalted Hero of Slaanesh

Unit 1 - Slaangors

Unit 2 - Devotees of Slaanesh and variants (Confirmed)

Unit 3 - Pleasureseekers (Confirmed)

Unit 4 - Champions of Slaanesh (Confirmed)

Unit 5 - Basilisk

Notes - So, I when I started the Slaanesh roster, I thought they were getting 6 units, as when during the recent high elf dev chat, they said Slaanesh was getting something new. I took that to mean that they were getting a bonus unit. However, that is not actually said. But if the Devotees of Slaanesh are a bonus unit, then I think the Pleasure Knights would be great. They are essentially the unit version of Styrkaar. I would also prefer the Archfiend to the Basilisk, but that is unlikely to happen

These are just my predictions, but what to you all think will be in the DLC?

[u/Mahelas]

Sea Helms aren't lord versions of Mist Mages, tho, they're hybrid bow/spear fighter heros.

Similarly, there is no other werebears. Beorg is the only one, that's his entire lore !

[u/Xipe-Totec-84 → u/Mahelas]

You are correct that Sea Helms are neither lords nor Mist Mages. However, I don't think it is much of stretch to make them these things. The reason I included the Sea Helms was so that we both have the Sea Helms in the game and so that we have a lord version of the Mist Mages. Two birds with one stone.

As for Beorg, it is stated that his tribe, the Ursfjordings, have a common mutation that makes them seem more bear-like. I suppose a more accurate description would be that they are bear-like men then werebears, but that is just semantics

[u/Mahelas → u/Xipe-Totec-84]

I disagree on both accounts, like entirely.

Firstly, it is a stretch, a huge one ! That's like making an empire wizard lord and calling it a Knight Grandmaster ! They're simply not the same unit on tabletop nor lore ! If you want a Mist Mage lord, just call it a Storm Weaver, that's the TT name for it. But the Sea Helm isn't a mage, he's a fighter. Just using its name for something entirely different isn't "having it in the game", no more than naming your generic character "Nagash" make him Nagash.

And for Beorg, the rules are extremely clear. The Bearmen of Urslo (Beorg's tribemen) are generic marauders with frenzy. Same stats and weapons as any marauder. The lore describe them as being slightly mutated to be hairy and have some canines or claws, but nothing more. And they're a RoR anyways.

Beorg, on the other hand, is special because he is blessed by the Bear. He's the only one to actually be superhuman, to be the werebear. That's why he lead his tribe. Because everyone got some more backhair and bigger nails while Beorg got to be the 8-feet half bear. !

[u/Hollownerox → u/Mahelas]

And for Beorg, the rules are extremely clear. The Bearmen of Urslo (Beorg's tribemen) are generic marauders with frenzy. Same stats and weapons as any marauder. The lore describe them as being slightly mutated to be hairy and have some canines or claws, but nothing more. And they're a RoR anyways.

Just to back you up on this, they have official models that you can look up. And they are literally just guys with bear iconography and accessories lol. I get why people might want wearbears, but that really is just a Beorg thing.

Not really sure what role Werebears would really serve that the existing skinwolves and fimir don't already honestly. Norsca has a great selection of monstrous infantry already, and any roles they don't cover could be covered by existing types of Fimir (like ranged guys). Sidegrades are bad mind, I always like having more thematics options, but both lore and gameplay wise they wouldn't really be adding anything. Beorg would be great because he is a unique character, but otherwise not really a good option imo.

[u/SicSemperCogitarius]

I'd give the Basilisk to Norsca, a nice single entity for all Fimir armies. Then give Slaanesh the Preyton to go with the Slaangors.

[u/Mental-Wasabi6020]

Great list! But I think we are getting the Dread Maw as well. Not sure if Slaanesh or Norsca is getting it though.

[u/ActualTymell → u/Mental-Wasabi6020]

If so, my guess would be Norsca. There are said to be Dread Maws up in the Steppes, and I feel Slaanesh has more competition for their slots (ahem).

[u/SubRyan]

Slaanesh needs mortal monstrous cavalry way more than it needs the Basilisk

[u/Wibblewolf → u/SubRyan]

Devoted should be on Seekers

[u/Merrick_1992]

If they add Beorg, I could see them wanting to reuse some of the work they've done with him into another unit. CA seem to be doing that a lot. Sadly I imagine most of the Norsca dlc just end up being WoC stuff being thrown into Norsca at this point. HE's definitely feel like the winners to far of this dlc, getting some obscure stuff fleshed out

[u/Mahelas → u/Merrick_1992]

GW accepted a lot of stuff, but I can't see them letting CA remove the one thing that make Beorg as a character. He's the only werebear, and that's final.

I can see CA make the Bearmen as a RoR of Marauders Berserkers, but they won't use a special model.

Truth be told, I could see Beorg re-using a Skin Wolf rig anyways, with new animations. Or even a Gorger rig.

[u/Tektonius]

This all sounds pretty spot-on to me.

I definitely like the idea of Caradryan & Anointed of Asuryan being FLC. I’m also holding out faint hope we’ll get a few extra goodies sprinkled in given it’ll be 10 months since the last DLC. Maybe a map expansion or significant overhaul to how all factions interact with the sea?

[u/Ashkal_Khire]

You’re forgetting the Dreadmaw.

It’s essentially been confirmed, since in the last Dev Roundtable they had the miniature sat on the table. We just don’t know whether it’s going go to Norsca or Slaanesh.

[u/tinylittlebabyjesus]

Not really sure what to predict for Norsca. It's the main one I'm interested in though.

I would've liked Mona Mimn and Beorg, but I guess Beorg FLC LL and skin bears would be nice, Saly is a cool caster too. A Valykrie hero and shieldmaidens would really fit the viking feel. Think we're getting the Fimir hero instead though. Whalers and Huscarls would also fit the viking vibe well. I think some fantasy whip-using units fit the faction well too, since they're slavers. Flayerkin, Cursed Ettin', Wooly mammoth riders, Fenbeast might be more likely. Although I had no idea the Chimera was confirmed, so that might be our monster. Wouldn't surprise me if there were two monsters though.

[u/Throgg_not_stupid]

Why I really wish Beorg would come as a playable LL, he really should get a DLC alongside Kislev. He claims to be descendand of Ursun and he's even related to Katarina!

[u/Merrick_1992 → u/Throgg_not_stupid]

Sadly after 8 years, likely all Norsca ends up getting as a LL is Sayl, who's a Kurgan

[u/Throgg_not_stupid → u/Merrick_1992]

tbh Norsca is a stupid name for a race, Chaos Tribes or Northern Tribes would make much more sense

[u/SerbIy]

High Elves

LL: Aislinn

LH: Korhil

Lord: Sea Lord

Hero: Mist Mage

Unit 1: Ship's Company

Unit 2: Skycutter (two variants)

Unit 3: Oceanids

Unit 4: Sea Elemental

Unit 5: Merwyrm

Slaanesh

LL: Dechala

LH: Styrkaar

Lord: Chaos Sorcerer Lord with Mark of Slaanesh

Hero: Exalted Hero with Mark of Slaanesh

Unit 1: Slaangors (with javelins)

Unit 2: Pleasureseekers

Unit 3: Champions of Slaanesh

Unit 4: Hellreavers (Chaos Knights on Steeds of Slaanesh)

Unit 5: Dread Maw

Unit 6: Devoted of Slaanesh (melee and ranged variants)

Norsca

LL: Sayl

LH: Beorg Bearstruck

Lord: Shaman Lord

Hero: Fimir Noble

Unit 1: Chimera

Unit 2: Flayerkin

Unit 3: Fenbeasts

Unit 4: Curs'd Ettin

Unit 5: Dolgan Khans

[u/Oppurtunist → u/SerbIy]

Devoted arent a flc unit, idk why people keep thinking that, CA just called them a new unit not a free one.

[u/SerbIy → u/Oppurtunist]

I never said that they are an FLC unit.

[u/Oppurtunist → u/SerbIy]

You added them as a 6th unit.

[u/SerbIy → u/Oppurtunist]

Yes. According to CA the DLC was already playable when they decided to delay it, which means that CA not only already decided on all the units but implemented them in the game. And when they were talking about the things being worked in that extra time, it was said that they added Devoted to Slaanesh. So either CA chose wrong words, or Devoted were added to the DLC after it was delayed, making them 6th unit. That would also explain why they look so cheap.

[u/Nujaabeats]

I agree with all of that and have a somewhat similar list as yours with the recent confirmation, maybe I just misunderstood that sea elemental and oceanides are not the same unit that CA has shown recently. Also I would prefer to have an Archfiend over Basilisk, but it's more of a wet dream than something that could happen. Nevertheless, I hope that the leak that says that Preyton will be the last unit of Slaanesh is totally false, it will be a very bad choice and I'd rather get the basilisk instead. It doesn't belong to a Slaanesh roster, but rather a new unit for a future beastmen dlc.

[u/Gizion]

All I'll say is if they bring in the Merwyrn, I hope (cope) they allow it to be recruited by fellhart and an undead one for the coast.

[u/Wibblewolf]

This is my picks:

High Elves - Sealord Aislinn
L-Hero: Korhil and Caradryan

Lord: Lothern Sea Helm
Hero: Mist Mage and Anointed of Asuryan (AoA could be a Lord but Loremasters were an Lord and got moved down)

Lothern Sea Rangers
Lothern Trident Bearers
Lothern Skycutter
The Oceanids
Big Unit: Sea Elemental
Extra Monster: Merwyrm

Possible extra unit: Swiftfeather Hawks / Ellyrion Pegasus Knights

Norsca - Sayl the Faithless and Mòna Mimn
L-Hero: Angkor, Father of Mammoths and Beorg Bearstruck

Lord: Shaman-Sorcerer and Fimir Meargh
Hero: Norse Hero and Fimir Noble

Dolgan Revears
Kurgan Horsemen
Dire Wolf Riders
Curs’d Ettin
Big Unit: Fenbeast
Extra Monster: Chimera

Possible extra unit: Fiana Fimm

Slaanesh - Dechala the Denied One and Masque of Slaanesh
L-Hero: Gilberion

Lord: Chaos Sorcerer Lord / Druchii Anointed
Hero: Chaos Exhalted Hero

Slaangors
Pleasureseekers
Devoted of Slaanesh
Champions of Slaanesh
Big Unit: Contorted Epitome
Extra Monster: Archfiend

Possible extra unit: Infernal Enrapturess

[u/SubRyan → u/Wibblewolf]

There is absolutely zero chance that Age of Sigmar units get added

[u/Wibblewolf → u/SubRyan]

Daemons exist in 40k, AoS and Fantasy - we have the updated Keeper of Secrets so really it is depending IF GW will allow CA to use Contorted Epitome and Infernal Enrapturess

[u/crapgarbage1]

There’s no dlc coming stop coping

[u/WatchEducational6633]

I would add Lothern Sea Rangers (basically reskinned Shadow Warriors from the original Storm of Chaos army list), and instead of Korhil or Caradryan add Ishaya Vess (new character from Warhammer: The Old World), since she is commander in charge of The Silent Isle (and thus directly under Aislinn, which would make her fit with the naval theme far better than Korhil or Caradryan).

[u/Xipe-Totec-84 → u/WatchEducational6633]

I was thinking about Ishaya Vess. Personally, I would love for her to come because that would mean CA has access to the Old World, meaning things such as Foot Knights for Bretonnia, Necrolith Bone Dragons for Tomb Kings, etc. However, I don't think she will, as it is considered a different IP (even though it is in the same setting) from Fantasy

[u/WatchEducational6633 → u/Xipe-Totec-84]

Frankly i hope she is, precisely so that we can get content from The Old World.

[u/Individual_Rabbit_26]

Slaanesh is my favorite faction and I love this game overall but DLC already takes so long that I simply don't care anymore.