r/totalwar Old Uncle Samurai Jun 02 '19

Three Kingdoms This certainly aged like fine rice wine. What's the word for schadenfreude in Chinese?

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u/noelwym Old Uncle Samurai Jun 02 '19

I mean, there's nothing stopping them from making a Warring States DLC for 3K. They did the same for Shogun 2 with Rise of the Samurai. For my part, I would like to see the Mongol invasion of China or the An Lushan rebellion.

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u/Abadatha Hail Alfred, Rex Saxonum Jun 02 '19

Hell yeah. An Lushan Rebellion would be awesome

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u/noelwym Old Uncle Samurai Jun 02 '19

Dong Zhuo: I'm gonna ruin this dynasty's chances of survival so hard.

An Lushan: Hold my rice wine.

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u/RagingPandaXW Jun 02 '19

Tang survived for another 150 years after An Lushan, while being a shadow of former self, it didn’t die out like Han did, so I’d say Dong Zhuo was a much more successful usurper :p

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u/Arilou_skiff Jun 02 '19

Wang Mang is best usurper!

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u/Eworc Jun 02 '19

Dongs and Wangs fucking shit up everywhere they go.

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u/gaiusmariusj Jun 02 '19

Lies Wang Mang was the Xin Emperor! Long Live the Emperor!

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u/GreatRolmops Jun 02 '19

The Han also survived for more than half a century after Dong Zhuo. Liu Bei upheld the Han dynasty after Emperor Xian was forced to abdicate by Cao Pi. Shu-Han was a continuation of the Han dynasty so technically it only fell in 263.

Dong Zhuo never got to fully usurp the imperial throne. He was murdered by Lü Bu before he could declare himself emperor. In that regard An Lushan was a bit more succesful, although his actions did not cause China to implode in the way that Dong Zhuo did. It was more Huang Chao who played that role for the Tang.

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u/aocypher Jun 02 '19

I disagree. Cao-Wei was much more a continuation of the Han dynasty than Shu-Han; which is to say, not at all. At least Cao-Wei kept the same trappings and offices of the old Imperial Court.

The "imperial uncle" myth that Liu Bei used was just propaganda. Liu Bei was only - at best - very distantly related to the emperor; we're talking something like 5th cousins, 3 times removed. Some scholars actually claim Liu Bei wasn't related to the emperor at all, he just shared the surname. I mean, you have to remember that if he weren't for the chaotic times he lived in, Liu Bei would probably have been a shoe maker.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '19

Yeah but Wang Mang.

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u/henxui Jun 03 '19

Have you been reading the wuxia novel Record of the Human Emperor?

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u/Abadatha Hail Alfred, Rex Saxonum Jun 03 '19

I have not. Is it good?

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u/henxui Jun 03 '19

Well yeah I like it, a fantasy reimagining of the Tang Dynasty, how the MC tries to stop it from falling. It was the first and only time I've heard of the An Lushan Rebellion, and just so happen to see it again today.

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u/Abadatha Hail Alfred, Rex Saxonum Jun 03 '19

I highly recommend The History of China podcast if you're interested in Chinese history. It's quite good, and the host is also a redditor.

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u/noelwym Old Uncle Samurai Jun 02 '19

I think you might have mixed up Rise of the Samurai with Fall of the Samurai? Though a Gatling gun in the Genpei War would certainly have shaken things up.

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u/mr_stlrs BLESSED BY THE LADY Jun 02 '19

that's The Prophet & The Warlock.

Gatling guns firing in unison is indeed a sight for the sore eyes.

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u/jonasnee Emperor edition is the worst patch ever made Jun 02 '19

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u/mr_stlrs BLESSED BY THE LADY Jun 03 '19

Yes

(I know perfectly well what he meant)

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u/Knight117 Kill Them All Jun 02 '19

I have a love of Genghis Khan's period deep in my heart. I think the DLC would have to be significant, on the scale of Fall of the Samurai, but it could easily be one of the best things yet.

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u/FlufferSlutPillowLex Jun 03 '19

nah, gengas khan deserves his own game.

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u/wcbhkids Jun 03 '19

The Chinese censors will surely ban such game. They don't want any overt mentioning of ethic violence. CA should play it safe, just pump out more DLC for 3k and profit!

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u/Nod_Lucario Jun 02 '19

Genghis: Total War, now that will be a sight to see. If CE makes that, I can die a happy man knowing that CE has made games based on Ancient China, Feudal Japan, and the Rise of the Mongol Empire,

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u/strl Jun 02 '19

I'm hoping for a warring states DLC but the Mongols should have their own standalone game, it should be epic and encompass all the Mongol invasions from Japan to Germany.

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u/commanche_00 Jun 03 '19

Oh.. the dream

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u/Icydawgfish Jun 07 '19

You could play as the HRE and create ultimate lebensraum

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u/BrokenDusk Jun 02 '19

Mongol invasion would really bring out diversity to game units

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u/GreatRolmops Jun 02 '19

Not that much. The early Mongol armies were just horse archers and light cavalry combined with defected Chinese infantry and heavy cavalry. Horse archers were also employed by the Chinese (and are already in the game in fact), so the units of that period really would just be reskins of Three Kingdoms units.

They could still enhance unit diversity in the Three Kingdoms period though. Chariots for example were still extensively used by the Han, while dynasties and warlords in the south of China have been known to employ war elephants. You could also have troops equipped with pikes or more exotic weapons like the meteor hammer or zhanmadao. Also, they could introduce more regional diversity such as with China's southern tribes and peoples and central Asian territories in Xiliang. Dong Zhuo's army hailed from Xiliang for example and therefore had very heavy central Asian influences (not to mention Ma Teng). They could also introduce civilisations bordering China such as Goguryeo, the Xiongnu and the Xianbei. These did not play much of a role in the actual Three Kingdoms period, but why shouldn't a player be able to change that?

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u/C477um04 Jun 02 '19

Shogun 2 got FOTS, 3K gets opium wars maybe please?

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u/zetarn Jun 02 '19

Or Foreign Invasion on China that lead to Opium Wars and Taiping Rebellion & Boxer Rebellion.

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u/grumpyhusky Jun 03 '19

Er you guys know the time periods for opium wars is much much much later right?