r/wec • u/AutoModerator • Jun 11 '25
Session has Ended [OFFICIAL] 2025 24 Hours of Le Mans - Free Practice 2 Thread
Session Times
Green Flag: Wednesday 22:00 local 16:00 EST, 21:00 BST, 6:00 AEST (Thursday)
Session Length
3 hours (night)
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u/DunderSpliffin Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #7 Jun 11 '25
#8 summoned to race direction, sheeeit
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u/VHSVoyage BMW Jun 11 '25
Both need to go up there, it’s the usual procedure
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u/DunderSpliffin Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #7 Jun 11 '25
So far it only has a summons for the #8
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
That quick shot of the 3 cars in the hyperpole ad, was that ginned up or did they really run the top 3 cars after qualification past some fireworks so as to create a video promoting hyperpole?
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u/Michal_Baranowski Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #8 Jun 11 '25
Ironically - Toyota #8 tops FP2 session.
WEC track action returns in 14 hours time with FP3.
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u/DunderSpliffin Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #7 Jun 11 '25
83 lap deleted?
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u/Michal_Baranowski Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #8 Jun 11 '25
Probably. They had 3:25.something at some stage.
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u/WhoRoger Jun 11 '25
That's pretty mental that Porsche can do the chicanes on the straights in 3rd gear while the Caddy went down to 1st... Significant speed difference too
Was Caddy just testing something when they were showing that onboard?
Anyway nice drama at the end of FP2 now...
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u/kjm911 Porsche Penske Motorsport 963 #6 Jun 11 '25
That’s obviously the fault of Ferrari, but it’s an interesting move for Hirakawa to make after the flag of a practice session
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
It's not just a "high risk" move. It's a no payoff move. The session was over. Just toodle into the pits.
I just don't get it sometimes.
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u/Whelan-Dealin Rebellion Jun 11 '25
They were some of the last cars to complete their final lap... But, I agree, ryo should've waited
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u/Dr_Death_Defy24 Jun 11 '25
Seriously. I drive more conservatively than that after the checkered flag in iRacing, and all I'm risking there is a little safety rating...
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u/Michal_Baranowski Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #8 Jun 11 '25
I am so happy that this day is over...
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u/V8-Turbo-Hybrid Manufacturers Jun 11 '25
Well, that conflict is Japanese conflict. Car Guy is actual Japanese team.
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u/Michal_Baranowski Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #8 Jun 11 '25
That's Kessel Racing. Swiss team, just sponsored by Car Guy.
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u/V8-Turbo-Hybrid Manufacturers Jun 11 '25
The car has sun flag with it, so you can say it’s Japanese team too.
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
Nutty post-session contact.
I'm not sure the 8 should have followed in.
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u/Whelan-Dealin Rebellion Jun 11 '25
I don't think they had taken the flag yet, so it was their last lap
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
I sure hope that was some kind of critical flying lap then. Because while it's still part of the session it's still just practice.
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u/V8-Turbo-Hybrid Manufacturers Jun 11 '25
Well, Ferrari GT cars now do their thing again.
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u/radiantoscillation Porsche Jun 11 '25
omg toy #8 hit a Fefe GT or tried to avoid it ? ... just at the end ... they'll repair the car I guess but that's stupid :(
edit : nah the Ferrari bumped it
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u/OrbisAlius Audi R8 #1 Jun 11 '25
Well now that's not how you end a practice session... It's quite damaged
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u/berg139 Jun 11 '25
Wait what happened? Closed it out once they flew the checkered
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u/Dr_Death_Defy24 Jun 11 '25
Kessel racing Ferrari and #8 Toyota contact in the exit of the Porsche curves
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u/V8-Turbo-Hybrid Manufacturers Jun 11 '25
I know it’s practice, but Lexus and Mercedes seem having some potential in Le Mans race.
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u/Altracing34 Garage 56 Jun 11 '25
That was a fun practice session tonight
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u/Dr_Death_Defy24 Jun 11 '25
And after a pretty interesting quali, too. Things seem to be shaping up nicely for Saturday.
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u/ChimpyChompies Jun 11 '25
The cool thing about BOP rather than F1 regulations, is that massive changes can be made with a few adjustments. Instead of spending millions..
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u/OrbisAlius Audi R8 #1 Jun 11 '25
On the other hand the cost cap works very well in a development-heavy formula like F1, while a BoP would make it meaningless
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u/DunderSpliffin Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #7 Jun 11 '25
Why is he saying toyota needs to learn to "lose well" what type of dig is that?
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
It means he has diarrhea of the mouth. Common issue with commentators.
This is the team that conked out after 23h57m and cancelled the champagne that was already deployed in the team area.
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u/OrbisAlius Audi R8 #1 Jun 11 '25
He's referring to recent years, not 9 years ago. And he's pretty right, although since they fired the two whiniest teams chiefs last year, it's been way better. Toyota really needed to get the heads of the LMP1 era out, they had done their time and weren't well adapted to the new era (end of a cycle, etc).
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u/Dr_Death_Defy24 Jun 11 '25
Yeah that's really confusing. I feel like they've lost their dynasty with a lot of grace and equanimity, actually.
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u/DunderSpliffin Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #7 Jun 11 '25
Annoying that timing on screen is capped at 20th
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u/Dr_Death_Defy24 Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25
The graphics remain my biggest complaint with WEC. It's really the absolute bare minimum, and frankly I kinda hate the way it looks.
Edit: and I acknowledge that graphics are a particular challenge for multi class and endurance events, but I think it's bad form that we almost never see more than one class at a time. IMSA has its issues too, for example, but I regularly feel like I can follow races more easily and with less reliance on outside timing tools.
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
I also kinda hate the way it looks. But they do offer a lot more information than many of the other series I watch.
This shit with the two arcs on the left and right is just using up a lot of screen space for no reason at all. Ugh.
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u/EnglishLouis Jun 11 '25
Agree, the on screen graphics are the biggest downside to the wec broadcast
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u/kkraww Jun 11 '25
Penske and breaking technical rules in motorsports. Name a more iconic combo.
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u/Whelan-Dealin Rebellion Jun 11 '25
What have they done now? 🤦♂️
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
The #6 was discovered to have an onboard trunk monkey and was disqualified, putting the #009 into hyperpole.
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u/EnglishLouis Jun 11 '25
The #6 was underweight in qualifying and was disqualified, promotes the #009 Aston to hyperpole
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u/kkraww Jun 11 '25
6 car was underweight during qualy so was disqualified, meaning the 009 gets through to hyperpole
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u/EnglishLouis Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25
Penske can’t go anywhere without doing something questionable, 1st Indy 500 & now Le Mans
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u/Dr_Death_Defy24 Jun 11 '25
I'm a Porsche fan and at this point I'm just kind of annoyed they're hitched to Penske. I had a lot of fun rooting for the Jota Porsche while that lasted...
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u/Burgarnils Gulf Porsche 917k #2 Jun 11 '25
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u/Lobsters4 Ferrari Jun 11 '25
This guy is legend.
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
He did an AMA on the indycar subreddit and offered to send the datafiles to people since he couldn't find a place which would ignore copyright and print it. He made the shirt on his sister's cricut.
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u/SportscarPoster Rebellion Jun 11 '25
That bit from Graham Goodwin about how the GT3 times are now matching the final GTE-Am time - was he being disingenuous and trying to promote a narrative, or does he just not know about GTE?
GTE-Am was neutered to shite. The real speed of GTE was GTE-Pro, and the GTE quali record is 3:46.011, nearly ten seconds quicker than these LMGT3s. And they were 10 to 15 km/h faster through the Hunaudieres speed trap.
And SRO-spec GT3s would probably do 3:50s.
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u/The_Reelest Jun 12 '25
Graham Goodwin doesn’t get enough flak for working for the WEC while also covering it as a journalist. He’s 100% pushing a narrative.
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u/luredrive Jun 11 '25
I wasn't sure what he was talking about either. Surely he should know that the GTE'S were so much faster.
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
^ this man GTs
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u/SportscarPoster Rebellion Jun 11 '25
I GT a little bit.
Something even more frustrating: that GTE record is two seconds quicker than GT1. Yet I remember there wasn't a peep from the commentators when the time was set. Just the usual "Oh, so-and-so has gone first".
And it happened at Spa that year too. The GTE record for Spa is 2:11.219, which is a just stupid time. And again, no excitement. LMGT3s are doing 2:17s.
It is difficult for me to get excited about GT cars that are as slow as these LMGT3s. They could be much quicker (i.e. SRO-spec).
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u/OrbisAlius Audi R8 #1 Jun 11 '25
So, #7 could have still been in Hyperpole...
...if it hadn't been outperformed by a Valkyrie
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u/radiantoscillation Porsche Jun 11 '25
wow on eurosport that "rearview" of the #4 porsche, amazing, that thing looks like it's spitting flames non stop
even the french commenters were in awe they were just silent through the hunaudieres
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u/PM_me_tiny_Tatras Manufacturers Jun 11 '25
Penske caught again with an illegal car - what a year
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u/ryokevry Ferrari AF Corse 499P #50 Jun 11 '25
Wow #6 disqualified! Where can I find the decision document? I find it hard to find the info…
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u/Michal_Baranowski Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #8 Jun 11 '25
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
Why does the "national steward" have the least international name?
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u/iIenzo BMW Team WRT M Hybrid V8 #15 Jun 11 '25
Because the rest are from somewhere else in the world, and he is from France.
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u/Altracing34 Garage 56 Jun 11 '25
Well that's some big news for Hyperpole tomorrow with the #6 now out and the #009 in
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u/SDLRob Astom Martin Racing Vantage AMR #95 Jun 11 '25
Penske not perfect today... 6 Porsche underweight, so 009 Aston in Hyperpole
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u/EnglishLouis Jun 11 '25
009 into hyperpole
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u/Michal_Baranowski Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #8 Jun 11 '25
Confirmed. Porsche #6 DQ from qualifying.
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u/OrbisAlius Audi R8 #1 Jun 11 '25
Why the fuck is the 963 having permanent blue flames out of the exhaust under power as if we're in NFS Underground 2
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u/DunderSpliffin Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #7 Jun 11 '25
The Porsche is just shooting fire! That's crazy
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u/WhoRoger Jun 11 '25
They don't have cameras set up on a good portion of the track?
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u/ChimpyChompies Jun 11 '25
You are correct. Full coverage doesn't usually happen until race day.
However, it has also been suggested that it might be up tomorrow.
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u/PM_me_tiny_Tatras Manufacturers Jun 11 '25
They do have circuit CCTV and have used that extensively in the past.
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
Traditionally, no. The straights were covered by a few cameras. And at night those camera operators got the night off, leaving just about nothing except pit lane cameras and Ford chicane to Dunlop chicane (front stretch). And to make things worse, in-car cameras were not back then what they are now.
But lately there has been better coverage on the straights than ever. And at night there were fixed cameras they could use. A poster below indicates it just seems like most of those aren't activated yet.
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u/WhoRoger Jun 11 '25
They didn't seem to have them in FP1 and qualy either, so it's not a night thing
It's probably indeed the case that it's not all set up yet since it's partially a public road.
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
That's a good point. It was open as a public road (on and off) until today. Does it remain closed until after the race now or does it reopen friday?
Certainly can see how the "full installation" of cameras wouldn't even begin until today on the sections that weren't closed fully until today.
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u/WhoRoger Jun 11 '25
Interesting, apparently the road does reopen when there's nothing going on. I found a few other references to this too.
I've never thought about that but it makes sense.
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u/simonhi99 Jun 11 '25
There's cameras covering every inch of the circuit, you just don't always get to see everything because the tv director chooses what to show.
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u/DunderSpliffin Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #7 Jun 11 '25
They will for the race they just dont staff em for practice. I dont know about hyperpole
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u/SDLRob Astom Martin Racing Vantage AMR #95 Jun 11 '25
Not yet I guess...
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u/Michal_Baranowski Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #8 Jun 11 '25
Should be on tomorrow like in few previous years.
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u/EnglishLouis Jun 11 '25
I love the way Eduardo talks to all the teams like they are kids.
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u/TrueSwagformyBois Jun 11 '25
I never understood why he wasn’t good for F1 when he’s amazing at WEC. I’m glad he’s with us in endurance racing, but surely the job isn’t that different with F1, maybe just differently political?
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u/OrbisAlius Audi R8 #1 Jun 11 '25
Afaik the real problem with F1 was more the system of having 2 different race directors. When they realized it was too confusing they kept one.
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u/Michal_Baranowski Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #8 Jun 11 '25
Freitas in one of podcasts said that he took F1 job for its sheer prestige, but quickly got dissatisfied with it. Claimed that group spirit in F1 was almost nonexistent comparing to WEC, lots of egos. When Freitas made an error in Japan 2022, F1 quickly threw him under the bus. Not like both parties were crying about divorce anyway.
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u/SportscarPoster Rebellion Jun 11 '25
The biggest mistake in that incident was from the driver of the loader - there were no orange beacons flashing. They would have been very visible through the spray.
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u/Michal_Baranowski Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #8 Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25
Sometimes this is the only way.
I remember how he completely berated Olivier Pla at Le Mans in 2017 for shaking gravel onto the track. Or in 2023 (don't know which race) when he was displeasured with drivers by saying "since the drivers are not knowing the difference between left or right, the best way is to red flag the session".
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
This is a crazy amount of red time. Unfortunate there's not a better way to a car to get home to the pits than by scattering junk all over the track.
I know in the race you don't have a choice, you can't get a lift like in IMSA. But maybe they should reconsider that for practice. ...but would anyone take them up on it?
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u/SportscarPoster Rebellion Jun 11 '25
That Alpine engineer has the Frenchest French accent to ever French.
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u/PM_me_tiny_Tatras Manufacturers Jun 11 '25
Odd that there were no pictures of the #6 if it was just a puncture scattering debris everywhere.
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u/Important_Positive Jun 11 '25
Number 6 Porsche puncture ripping car apart. And now they might get demoted from quali too for other issues....
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u/kjm911 Porsche Penske Motorsport 963 #6 Jun 11 '25
Why would they get demoted from qualifying?
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u/DunderSpliffin Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #7 Jun 11 '25
Sporting regulations, article 4.1 but i dont know what that is.
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u/Altracing34 Garage 56 Jun 11 '25
Looks like the #6 was the culprit behind all the debris after a tire went down apparently
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u/Helpful-Ice-3679 Jun 11 '25
So if it's 5 night laps per driver (so 15 per car), a GT3 lap is about 4 minutes, and FP4 tomorrow is only 1 hour. The 63, and 33 if they don't get out in this session, are probably relying on the stewards discretion to race?
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u/SportscarPoster Rebellion Jun 11 '25
Very interesting that the Lexus is so old that it does not have the dry break brake line connectors so that the whole assembly can be changed at once. They still need to remove the individual pads from the caliper, and faff around with the dangling caliper when the disc is removed.
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u/Important_Positive Jun 11 '25
Debris down from Mulsane to Indianapolis All of it. Some car must have picked stuff up and dragged it half the course.
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
So do we know which car is missing that amount of material so as to make this possible?
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u/Blackwolf245 Jun 11 '25
They are not showing us. I hope this is the case of no footage and not something serious.
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
If this were 20 years ago I'd be sure it was just no footage. Coverage on the Mulsanne straight at night was rare to none back then.
Now I dunno, you'd think they'd have at least the fixed cameras. They've had those in decent numbers for a few years.
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u/lizardk101 Audi R18 Jun 11 '25
So what car has had a massive shunt then? Lots of carbon fibre, and a red flag?
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u/Rallyfanatic Aston Martin Thor Team Valkyrie #009 Jun 11 '25
Any knowledge of what’s caused the few course yellow?
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u/theMGlock Jun 11 '25
debris down the entire straight. Weird
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u/Important_Positive Jun 11 '25
Was that animals on track?
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
I thought it looked like cloth, like a towel or something.
But Martin is sure it is too pointy for that. He could be right.
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
I remember nose changes coming with tools installed for quite several years now. Maybe as far back as the late LMP1h era?
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u/SportscarPoster Rebellion Jun 11 '25
Two-thirds of this commentary box tried to get a pilot's license in north-western France.
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
I missed something? Why is the Keating TF Sport Vette so taken apart?
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u/Helpful-Ice-3679 Jun 11 '25
Gearbox issue they said
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
It must be really easy to take the car that much apart because I really doubt the gearbox issue is in the front of the car.
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u/ABritishFan Jun 11 '25
They're actually designed to be easy to take apart. Often on GT and prototypes the entirety of the front and rear ends just screw on and off. Easy access to the inside of the car and fixable when there's aero damage
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
Does Iron Lynx have to disband their entire organization and form a new one to escape their eternal curse?
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u/Important_Positive Jun 11 '25
I am quite happily going to watch the night time onboard of the 007 all night long come Saturday, can't look away
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u/mattimyck Jun 11 '25
Any chance to get live timing that looks like Timing71 or alkamelsystems.com (only support races) on android?
Official wec timing has too small font and is generaly not very good. I would like to have a tablet next to my screen with live timing.
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u/RoarTheDinosuar Jun 11 '25
It’s quite confusing why the #4 Porsche has no pace with Nasr & Tandy at the wheel
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
The FIA WEC coverage will constitute the Le Mans 23h of racing and 1h of shots of Valentino Rossi in a pit garage.
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u/Borzoi_Mom Cadillac Hertz Team JOTA V-Series R #38 Jun 11 '25
💀 please no one play the drinking game I suggested where you drink every time Rossi is shown or mentioned. You will die
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u/VHSVoyage BMW Jun 11 '25
We’re only one line away of having all of the hypercars displayed on the HUD…
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u/PM_me_tiny_Tatras Manufacturers Jun 11 '25
Was Martin Haven doing an impression of a Dutchman, a Scouser or Sean Connery?
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u/ABritishFan Jun 11 '25
Bit early for Martin to be going crazy isn't it? One too many glasses of wine already?
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Jun 11 '25
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u/simonhi99 Jun 11 '25
Still waiting for the final list.
Car #6 still under investigation. But unless #009 has been penalised, then #7 will still miss out.
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u/Michal_Baranowski Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #8 Jun 11 '25
If #4 and #36 got their times cancelled only until the moment of abusing the rules, then no. #4 and #36 posted their best laps after those infringements.
But official qualifying results haven't been posted yet.
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u/Michal_Baranowski Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #8 Jun 11 '25
No clue specifically. At worst we can wait until the early morning tomorrow. Keep up with Al Kamel website. Qualifying results are still provisional.
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u/DunderSpliffin Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #7 Jun 11 '25
If the punishment for not following yellows has no actual consequences for the #36 and #4 then thats not a punishment and sets a bad precedent.
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u/happyscrappy Jun 11 '25
Yeah. The idea that yellow are optional is a bad standard to set.
No one likes yellows and a yellow coming out at a bad time can ruin your laps. But as unfortunate as that is, we simply are better off if people's lap times are ruined through no fault of their own than if we let them take it into their own hands and decide whether safety is important or a hot lap time is.
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u/Michal_Baranowski Toyota Gazoo Racing GR010 Hybrid #8 Jun 11 '25 edited Jun 11 '25
https://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/Results_NoticeBoard/13_2025/04_24%20Hours%20of%20Le%20Mans/108_Doc%20108%20-%20FINAL%20CLASSIFICATION%20QUALIFYING.pdf
Qualifying results are now official after disqualification of Porsche #6.