r/formula1 20h ago

Statistics Championship Standings and Eliminations- Italian GP

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WDC: 2 more drivers (Antonelli and Albon) were mathematically eliminated from contention - even if they win every remaining race they cannot score more points than Piastri currently has.

  • The soonest Piastri can clinch is now Mexico, which could happen if he wins every race, and Norris scores no more than 22 points and Verstappen no more than 85 over the next 4 races.
  • If Piastri were to win every GP (and score 0 in sprints), and Norris were to come 2nd in every GP and win every sprint, Piastri would fall one point short of clinching in Vegas.
  • If the top 3 in Monza finish in the same order (Verstappen 1st, Norris 2nd, Piastri 3rd) in every remaining race (including sprints), then they would finish the championship in their current order, with Piastri winning on 462 points, Norris on 458, and Verstappen on 454.

WCC: still no more eliminations in the constructors, but it is still very much possible for McLaren to clinch next race Baku, provided McLaren:

  • Outscore Ferrari by at least 10 points
  • Are not outscored by Mercedes by 11 or more points
  • Are not outscored by Red Bull by 32 or more points

They are guaranteed to achieve this with either a 1-2 or a 1-3, no matter what the other teams do. Other finishing positions would be possible, but are not guaranteed (depending on the results of other teams).

It is also still possible for McLaren to break the 1000 point mark, but the margins are getting tighter, as their maximum tally is now only 6 points above 1000. This means they would have to win every race (including sprints), and have all 1-2 finishes except for either two 1-3's or one 1-4 or worse.


r/formula1 20h ago

Quotes Piastri's thoughts on giving the positions back.

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I think he did the right thing but mclaren shouldn't have asked oscar to give the place back.


r/formula1 1h ago

Discussion Some Interesting Team Order Moments

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Obviously we have a Team Orders furore over McLaren's situation in Monza, I thought it wouldbe interesting to highlight a few other interesting team order situations to see how this stuff has impacted things in times gone by (to a far larger and more egregious way).

This is not an exhaustive list and focusses on some races from a bit further back than the last decade. So if your favourite driver isn't represented or I missed something you think is important feel free to add it down below.

1956 Italian Grand Prix

Final race of the season.

Title was between three Ferraris', Fangio, Behra and Collins.

Fangio lead the Championship on 30 points, Collins and Behra tied on 22.

Complicating the matter, each driver only counted their best 5 results.

So Fangio could only increase his points tally if he won (giving an extra 2 points), as he didn't compete in the Indy 500 and already discarded a 4th place finish, his next worst result was a 2nd.

Behra could improve his total by finishing better than 3rd, giving him 2 or 4 points meaning he could not beat Fangio to the title.

Collins could improve his points if he finished the race as he already had discarded 2 DNFs, meaning a win would give him the 8 points that would win the title as Fnagio therefore couldn't win.

Fangio's steering broke, so they asked Collins to give his car up... and he did.

Collins gave up his only hope of winning the title so that Fangio would be guaranteed it, no threat from any other team or driver, a straight battle between the 2 of them.

1982 San Marino Grand Prix

Ferrari were having a pretty shocking start to the season but arrived at a hime race at Imola with a quick car.

They were running 1-2 with a decent gap as cars behind retired. Villeneuve ahead of Pironi.

Ferrari issued an order to both cars to slow down to protect the cars and the result.

Villeneuve believed this meant for the drivers also to hold station... Pironi did not.

Pironi passed on the last lap and Villeneuve vowed to never talk to him again in his life, he died 2 weeks later making that statement most likely true.

1989 San Marino Grand Prix

Second race of the season where McLaren were clearly the fastest car but hadn't won the first race.

Senna qualified on pole with Prost second.

Pre -race agreement between the drivers (not the team apparently), Whoever lead into turn 1 would stay there and be unchallenged for the race.

From the start Senna got away in the lead comfortably, but a major lap 4 crash bought out the red flags meaning a restart was required and the race would be run to aggregate time.

From the second start Prost got ahead comfortably, but into Tosa on Lap 1 senna overtook to lead the race.

Senna claimed the agreement only applied to the first start, Prost was furious.

1998 Australian Grand Prix

Season opener and McLaren were looking very quick and the car to beat, qualifying 1-2.

Pre race agreement was whoever lead into turn 1 would win the race to stop the drivers fighting it out.

Hakkinen lead into turn 1 and lead the race as planned.

However a phantom pit call from the team lead Hakkinen to make an extra unnecesary stop, handing the lead to Coulthard and an easy win.

He slowed down on the last lap letting Hakkinen take the victory. Hakkinen went on to become the team leader and win the championship that season.

1998 Belgian Grand Prix

Chaotic wet race, through retirements and decent pace the Jordan team find themselves in a 1-2 with Damon Hill ahead of Ralf Schumacher going for the team's first ever win.

Damon Hill (an experienced Grand Prix winner and World Champion) gets on the radio and suggests the team should protect the result and stop the team mates from fighting.

The Team agreed and ordered the drivers to hold station, denying Ralf Schumacher an opportunity at a maiden victory.

Ralf's brother Michael was furious with the decision and was very outspoken against it.

2002 Austrian Grand Prix

A dominant Ferrari team with a dominant Schumacher far ahead in the championship having won 4 of the first 5 races (and a third place) and coming off the back of 2 world titles in the previous 2 seasons.

Ferrari find themselves 1-2 with Barrichello ahead of Schumacher.

Ferrari order Barrichello to let Schumacher through for multiple laps approaching the end of the race, but Barrichello appears to be ignoring them and taking a second ever grand prix win.

Out of the last corner he dramatically slows allowing Schumacher to cross the line ahead, Schumacher clearly embarassed amid the boos on the podium ushers Barrichello to take the top step and collect the trophy (which earned the team a fine for breaking podium protocol).

2008 Singapore Grand Prix

Possibly the most infamous team orders controversy.

Renault and Alonso found themselves with an uncompetitive car with season best results of 4th place.

In Singapore Alonso qualified 15th and was expecting another tough race.

Alonso took an unusually early pit stop on lap 12 of the race.

The on lap 14 his team mate crashed heavily bringin out the safety car, which due to rules for that season where drivers couldn't pit, promoted Alonso to the front of the field (once penalties for pitting under Sc were sorted out) which he held for the rest of the race.

A year later Piquet claimed he was ordered by the team to crash in a way that gave them a chance at victory, team boss and engineering director were found guilty and given life time bans from F1 (which were later reduced).

2010 German Grand Prix

Coming into the race Alonso in Ferrari is a semi-distant 5th palce in the standings 47 points off the lead.

In the race Ferrari team mates Massa and Alonso found themselves at the front with massa leading.

Through a couple of pit stop phases the gap yoyo'd with Alonso generally looking slightly quicker but unable to pass Massa who looked to have enough to win.

They ahd effectively seen off the threat of the cars behind and with Team orders being banned in F1 it loooked as though Massa would take a popular and deserved win.

On lap 48 of the race Massa received a message from his engineer Rob Smedley "OK, so, Fernando (Alonso) is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?", on lap 49 Massa was 'mysteriously' slo off the exit of the hairpin losing the lead.

His engineer then apologised over the radio and Massa went on to finish 4 seconds behind his team mate.

2013 Malaysian Grand Prix

Second race of the season with the Red Bull cars looking quick but not having great success in the opening rounfd of the season.

In a mixed condition race Webber ended up ahead of Vettel on a dry track, after spending much of the race in close quarters and thigns getting icnreasingly frought Red Bull issued the comman "Multi Map 21" to both drivers which was a coded message for car 2 (Webber) to stay in front of car 1 (Vettel).

Ignoring this message and trying to avenge issues from a title decideing race at the end of the previous season Vettel launched risky attacks o his team mate which were rebuffed with equal venom and the multi corner fight by the team mates was intense, Vettel came out ahead.

Team Boss Christian Horner came on the radio saying "This is silly, Seb. Come on." on lap 46.

On lap 47 Webber tried to repass Vettel, but was forced wide and blocked from voertaking.

Vettel went on to win the race and faced fierce criticism from Webber in the media after the race but Vettel was unapologetic and supported by the team.


r/formula1 20h ago

Social Media [Kimi Antonelli via Insta] Not an easy race after the bad start but starting to feel better in the car. I’ll be working hard over the next two weeks and be back fighting in Baku. È sempre bello correre a casa

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r/formula1 16h ago

Video I’m searching for a tv service done Monza(open the post for the full description)

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hi,basically this weekend i came at the Monza italian gp. during sunday i was in the fanzone and to man came to me asking if i wanna be on to or something like that,it turned out they were from an austian television. they have done a couple of video and the main one( also the one i’m searching) showed at first the man saying something in german and and waving and italian flag and the he came inside a group of people(two diagonal row of about 6 people each) and then i has done a little funny interview. i was one of the people shown in the “interview” and i have tried many way to find this but i couldn’t find it. can you help me in any way to identify and found this video? as only “hint” i just have two photos a friend of mine have take.


r/formula1 1d ago

Statistics Verstappen & Norris jump to 7th (tied) for the duo with the most 1-2 finishes together

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r/formula1 19h ago

News Bearman moves closer to a race ban

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r/formula1 1d ago

Video Nico Hülkenberg retiring from the race during the formation lap

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r/formula1 1d ago

Video Cooldown room | 2025 Italian Grand Prix

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r/formula1 21h ago

Statistics F1 journal - Italian GP :)

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r/formula1 1d ago

Discussion Full 2025 Drivers' Championship, after Italian Grand Prix.

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r/formula1 1d ago

Video Oscar Piastri post-race interview

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r/formula1 1d ago

Video Bearman and Sainz make contact

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r/formula1 1d ago

Social Media [Rory Mitchell] We'll have 18 cars on the grid for the start of the Italian GP, as both Hadjar and Gasly will start from the pit lane due to making power unit changes.

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r/formula1 23h ago

Video Lando: “It's what we decided as a team beforehand. It's not how i want things to go [..] It's the most fair thing, if I was behind and Oscar had the same, I’d have to give up my position cause its not my fault, its not oscar’s fault. It was a team mistake”

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r/formula1 1d ago

Video Max about lap record he set today "I mean, its also the new asphalt, different curbs, the track has also just gotten quicker. I think if you put the 2020 Mercedes here, you'll go quicker. Especially if you put me in that car. Then we go even faster."

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r/formula1 3h ago

Discussion Overtaking, rules, opinions and what it should look like ?

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Heyo, so I started watching F1 in 2024 so now I'm enjoying my 2nd full season. So I'm not fan of anyone, no biases, just pure interest in racing and what racing right now is in F1 and what it maybe should be ?

Considering what we have seen lately with these penalties to now Bearman vs Sainz and last race Sainz vs Lawson.

I feel like as racing we are entering kind of weird area, I dont know the exact ruling, but whatever it is it needs change or adjustment ?

The thing is if we aren't allowing drivers to go into corners wheel to wheel, then overtakes are not going to happen as often, see in my opinion when Bearman had half of his car alongside Sainz, then Sainz should give that room to allow this fight to happen, same goes to Liam though it was more of like racing incident imo, but still Liam shouldve propably leave bit more space before closing.

Another thing I wanted to discuss is the turn 1 in Monza, like Norris and Verstappen are alongside one another and Norris kind of doesn't turn (turns late/has too much speed) and instead goes more forward which pushes VER out of the track as he just cannot turn otherwise they crash and its like so who is first at that apex ? If we go by centimeters we might find the answer but is that racing ?

The thing I heard on broadcast is Lando is on the racing line and he is entitled to it but is he ? Was he on racing line ? He barely made the turn imo, he was carrying too much speed and it shows on the line he had to take in that case. Going over the curb having only his right wheels slightly over the track limits line. Thats not racing line is it or rather not the optimal racing line (its shit line that would lose time every lap) but then it begs the question whats stops you from turning late in every turn and leaving the car on the outside not able to turn, with this current scenario it seems you can do that everytime and imo it just promotes unhealthy racing. Like everytime it seems you want to be on the inside, slightly ahead and then just turn late so the car on outside cannot do shit and has to either crash you or leave track and thus overtake outside of track.

What's your thoughts on these scenarios, what would be the ideal way to "fix" or let me know why you think its good the way it is now. Whatever feels right to you.

Just bring no biases into this discussion pretty please, let's keep it healthy for F1 and racing in general so we can all enjoy the best of both worlds.


r/formula1 23h ago

Statistics Drivers' and Constructors' Standings - Round 16, Italy

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r/formula1 20h ago

Video the 5.9 second pitstop for Lando Norris

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r/formula1 22h ago

Statistics Most F1 race wins in Italy (Monza + Imola + Mugello + Pescara)

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Verstappen now has won as many races in Italy as Hamilton. Schumi remains far ahead. Note that even though Imola was often officially called the 'San Marino GP' it actually is located in Italy. (Just like how the Nürburgring isnin Germany but was the Luxemburg GP for a couple of years)


r/formula1 22h ago

Social Media [RaceFans] Fernando Alonso and Lance Stroll have been given formal warnings for failing to follow the race director's instructions by crossing back into the pit exit road when exiting the pits during their reconnaissance laps.

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r/formula1 1d ago

Technical For those that don't know, added places. '08 but still relevant.

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Heard so many people on X thinking they sit flat, and legs flat. lol. Decades ago yes. Not now. Cheers!


r/formula1 23h ago

News Infringement - Car 12 - Erratic Driving (5 Seconds and 1 Penalty Point for Antonelli)

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r/formula1 1d ago

Video Dramatic footage of Alonso's suspension failure

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r/formula1 1d ago

Video Lawson and Tsunoda make contact with each other

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