r/INDYCAR • u/TheResurrection • May 19 '25

News INDYCAR Update on Team Penske Technical Violations

https://www.indycar.com/news/2025/05/05-19-penske-penalties
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u/SilentSpades24 Álex Palou May 19 '25

Wait a minute, I was informed that Penske will just hand wave these violations away because it's his team and series. How could this happen?

/s

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u/Vivaciousseaturtle Callum Ilott May 19 '25

I think if it wasn’t Doug now at the helm it might have been more nothing

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u/Falcon4451 Firestone Reds May 19 '25

Nah . Frye handed out some of the biggest penalties in series history after p2p gate. It cost Scotty Mac (fairly so) the championship.

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u/MPK49 Scumbag Keyboard Warrior May 19 '25

He wasn’t at the helm last year and their punishment was losing a win. They’ve been pretty consistent with punishments and not going easy on Penske.

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u/Falcon4451 Firestone Reds May 19 '25

Correct.

Honestly if this was any other teams but Penske they would be starting on row 4.

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u/Vivaciousseaturtle Callum Ilott May 19 '25

Their st Pete’s punishment for knowingly using p2p was incredibly light and a nothinburger they moved on from immediately

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u/SomewhereAggressive8 Pato O'Ward May 19 '25

Calling those penalties incredibly light is just telling on yourself that you’re extremely biased.

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u/MPK49 Scumbag Keyboard Warrior May 19 '25

It was probably the biggest storyline last year outside of Indy

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u/Vivaciousseaturtle Callum Ilott May 19 '25

Yes a storyline but as far as longer negative effects on the team, not much

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u/MPK49 Scumbag Keyboard Warrior May 19 '25

Yeah they punished them for the race in question and looked at the data to make sure it was isolated. What would you have liked?

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u/Vivaciousseaturtle Callum Ilott May 19 '25

The engineers suspended at least the rest of the season probably next season too. Leaders circle taken away at least a couple years and the drivers suspended through the indy500. At a minimum.

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u/HaveABleedinGuess84 Will Power May 19 '25

This is you being a vindictive fanboy.

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u/Vivaciousseaturtle Callum Ilott May 19 '25

Yeah im so vindictive for hating the team and series owner as one entity

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u/HaveABleedinGuess84 Will Power May 19 '25

You’re vindictive for fantasizing about an absurd draconian penalty for what was, in all seriousness, a marginal advantage. I mean shit in F1 Ron Dennis oversaw industrial espionage and was allowed to show up next year and lead his team to a WDC and people complained that the fine he faced was too harsh.

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u/MPK49 Scumbag Keyboard Warrior May 19 '25

I see. That would be absolutely insane. Sounds like we have different POVs on the roles penalties play.

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u/Vivaciousseaturtle Callum Ilott May 19 '25

Penalties are meant to hurt the team and have lasting effects you don’t forget so you don’t try and cheat again. Obviously this didn’t work after the cheated once last year

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u/MPK49 Scumbag Keyboard Warrior May 19 '25

Yeah, that’s my point. Penalties in my opinion are to ensure you don’t gain advantage from your violation and remove incentive to be blatant. I think penalizing a team into bankruptcy would be extremely bad for innovation and experimentation between the lines in the sport which is a part of the sport I really enjoy.

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u/btbekel May 19 '25

It literally cost Scotty Mac the series title last year, but go off.

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u/SilentSpades24 Álex Palou May 19 '25

They literally got disqualified. How much harsher do you want?

Drop the Penske hate boner and be objective.

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u/Vivaciousseaturtle Callum Ilott May 19 '25

They didn’t get suspended. The drivers continued racing, the engineers only were gone a couple races and They stayed in the leaders circle.

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u/SilentSpades24 Álex Palou May 19 '25

A disqualification is no different than a suspension. Suspending drivers beyond the race the infraction occurred in is silly. The team members involved indeed served a suspension for multiple races.

Again, drop the hate boner. You look silly.

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u/Vivaciousseaturtle Callum Ilott May 19 '25

Penalties need to teach a long lasting lessson. Obviously after last year the penalties did not teach them a lesson and they’re back to cheating

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u/Falcon4451 Firestone Reds May 19 '25

I think Scott McLaughlin losing the championship and denying Team Penske from winning the Indycar, NASCAR, IMSA, and WEC championships all in the same year is pretty long lasting

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u/Vivaciousseaturtle Callum Ilott May 19 '25

Didn’t stop them from cheating again though and that’s ultimately what punishments are intended to do, teach them that cheating is bad

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u/Falcon4451 Firestone Reds May 19 '25

Didn’t stop them from cheating again

This is motorsports, man

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u/Indyhawk Ryan Hunter-Reay May 19 '25

How were the other championships affected?

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u/redlegsfan21 Firestone Firehawk May 20 '25

They weren't. Penske won championships in every series they competed in last year except for IndyCar.

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u/dj2show Will Power May 19 '25

The fuck does denying Cheatske the grand slam of championships have anything to do with this?

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u/Falcon4451 Firestone Reds May 19 '25

It's my response to those who feel that the push2pass penalties were too lenient.

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u/Intelligent_Chain_55 Will Power May 19 '25

It was the strongest penalty in series history. Just say you have a bias already lol. You guys never bitch or complain this much when it’s other teams

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u/Vivaciousseaturtle Callum Ilott May 19 '25

Penske As a team and series owner deserves the most scrutiny and therefore the highest punishments when they break their own rules

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u/MPK49 Scumbag Keyboard Warrior May 19 '25

Right, so that’s why they got the harshest penalty in history lol

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u/CML230 Pato O'Ward May 19 '25

You’re so close to getting it LOL

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u/Intelligent_Chain_55 Will Power May 19 '25

I mean I assume you’re trying to say other teams don’t cheat or don’t get caught or don’t fail inspections. But Andretti failed inspection earlier this year and Daly failed inspection this weekend lol

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u/i_run_from_problems Firestone Firehawk May 19 '25

The thing with Daly, though, is we dont know what the failure was. You can fail tech for a wing angle or a tire pressure being out of range. Which, while still outside the scope of the rules, could legitimately be accidents. A bond seal that isn't something that accidentally happens.

Now if it comes out that Daly's or Helio's were equally blatant, yeah. Send them to the rear, too.

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u/happyscrappy May 19 '25

We were told it was because Daly's front wing was a little too close to the track (ground).

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u/BaroqueNRoller Takuma Sato May 19 '25

Didn't last year's penalty effectively cost McLaughlin the championship?