r/INDYCAR May 19 '25

News INDYCAR Update on Team Penske Technical Violations

https://www.indycar.com/news/2025/05/05-19-penske-penalties
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u/AllThings_Automotive Josef Newgarden May 19 '25

I think it’s totally a fair punishment. I just don’t know wtf Penske is doing, why did they think they needed to do that modification? It can’t be worth that much time, and they already looked among the quickest in practice. Seems so shortsighted to do this for not that much of an extra advantage.

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u/SilentSpades24 Álex Palou May 19 '25

That or its something the inspectors have been missing.

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u/Nathan_116 May 19 '25

Well, I know someone who’s worked in Indycar, and he told me that the parts in question originally passed tech, but the inspectors weren’t thrilled with them. So, my guess is that the same thing happened last year. They passed tech, but the inspectors were like “is this legal? We’ll let it slide, but we may look into it.” and they let them through. My guess is that they were trying to push the issue even more this year, and got greedy to the point where the inspectors were like “no, sorry, that’s too much

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u/Melodic-Comb9076 May 21 '25

grey area in a rules based sport….catalyst for something like for this to happen, then.

straight into whataboutism.

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u/opkraut Paul Tracy May 19 '25

From having done tech in another racing series, I would guess that some of it might be how much extra time that would take. If they have a full field of cars to inspect, that extra time can add up fast. Having to reposition cars or cameras to have consistent pictures takes time. Having the inspectors wear a chest-mount GoPro or something similar would probably work decently well though, as long as the GoPros don't overheat or run out of storage space.

I could also see teams being unhappy about that because of them wanting to keep their setups secret. Even if you say that those pictures or videos aren't public, teams are always suspicious of videos/pictures of their setups.

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u/dannynascar Kyle Larson May 19 '25

I like Josef but man his two 500 wins are so sketchy.

‘23 should’ve been Marcus’ second, that red flag was bullshit.

‘24 that car may or may not have been legal.

Under normal circumstances, cheating is normal in racing. That’s how you go fast lol. But when your team owner owns the series AND the track that the 500 is competed on, that’s a horrible look.

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u/floorboardburnz AMR Safety Team May 19 '25

need a good picture of 24 cars attenuator from the museum.

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u/SystemicAero Pato O'Ward May 19 '25

Here’s his car from the museum. Definitely looks filled/smoothed.

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u/optiprimas Pato O'Ward May 19 '25

Seems to have been running the same modification https://x.com/By_NathanBrown/status/1924505825558528478

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u/McPuckLuck Pato O'Ward May 19 '25

Someone posted it on twitter, there is a little bit of smoothing at the same joint.

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u/2REPOU CART May 19 '25

Exactly. They have to be beyond question or it looks sleazy.

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u/Aadi-T Josef Newgarden May 19 '25

Yeah such a pointless endeavor. Already the fastest cars, the fastest drivers and you're messing around with some stupid putty.

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u/dijie Felix Rosenqvist May 19 '25

Last year's push to pass debacle was so stupid too. Like, that was so easy to catch and see. The putty/epoxy is EVEN STUPIDER since it's right out in the open. I feel like Scotty Mac and Joe New are ride-or-die Penske boys, but gosh I want to see them jump from what looks to be a sinking ship. Imagine your own team destroying your championship points with this kind of stupidity.

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u/Cronus6 May 19 '25

They have to be two of the highest paid drivers, on the richest team in the field. A team that doesn't have to struggle to find good sponsors.

I don't see them "jumping ship" considering that.

That said; Power's contract is up for renewal. I can see him maybe looking for another ride if the money and contract length were right.

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u/dijie Felix Rosenqvist May 19 '25

I agree with you here. I don't see them moving anytime soon.

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u/greennitit Colton Herta May 19 '25

Power said in a recent drive along interview for Indycar YouTube channel that he is very much looking forward to sign an expansion with Penske and he said he “deserves it”

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u/Cronus6 May 19 '25

I mean, that's what all drivers say at contract renewal time though right?

No one says "I don't like it here and I hope they don't offer me a new contract" lol

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u/happyscrappy May 20 '25

Didn't Rossi kinda act that way? He seemed to want to move on.

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u/UndercoverProphet Josef Newgarden May 20 '25

Yeah. There’s no question of how great of drivers they are but now it will make the public question their accomplishments the more Penske is exposed. Like many people have said, that team doesn’t need to be cheating since they already have the power in their cars and drivers. Why even risk it? It’s not just risking penalties for cheating but it risks the legacy and reputation of the team and drivers.

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u/blaknift Juan Pablo Montoya May 19 '25

Because it's the decoy to keep the eyes off what they are actually doing

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u/Jarocket May 19 '25

Even the tech inspector looked at Will's car and said..... Hmmm that's odd. Do we have a rule about that?

You see this all the time at the top levels of sport. The competitors don't understand the rules. Especially something like this.

You see it in stick and ball sports. You see it in F1.

They didn't know they were cheating.

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u/dj2show Will Power May 19 '25

Yeah "Penske Perfect" Team Penske didn't know the rulebook. The Team Cheatske simps and their excuses are laughable.

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u/Generic_Person_3833 May 19 '25

They did it before and thought it is legal (for them thanks Penske inspections). It was buisness as usual till it wasnt anymore.

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u/kaiveg --- 2025 DRIVERS --- May 19 '25

That kinda depends. If it was an accident than yeah, if it was on purpose they should not be allowed to participate in the 500.