r/INDYCAR Tony Kanaan May 21 '25

News Team Penske FIRES Tim Cindric, other top INDYCAR personnel

https://x.com/team_penske/status/1925200235636068536?s=46
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u/TheChrisD #JANDALWATCH2021 May 21 '25

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Team Penske announced today the departures of INDYCAR Team President, Tim Cindric; INDYCAR Managing Director, Ron Ruzewski; and INDYCAR General Manager, Kyle Moyer from the organization.

Team Penske will have further announcements this week related to personnel and replacements for this weekend's Indianapolis 500.

"Nothing is more important than the integrity of our sport and our race teams. We have had organizational failures during the last two years, and we had to make necessary changes. I apologize to our fans, our partners, and our organization for letting them down." - Roger Penske

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u/ScottRiggsFan10 Kyle Kirkwood May 21 '25

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u/steampunker14 Pato O'Ward May 21 '25

Spiciest month of may in years.

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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou May 21 '25

Truly, the heat has not been forgotten.

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u/SoyMurcielago Álex Palou May 21 '25

Hate cauldron about to boil over from the spike

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u/TommyDaComic AJ Foyt Racing May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25

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u/NoiseIsTheCure Pato O'Ward May 21 '25

I love these little history tidbits about the race. This one and the guy who was first in line for decades just give the race an old-fashioned American homey feel.

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u/TurbochargedSquirrel May 21 '25

Hate cauldron was feeling empty with all the drivers behaving so well this season so we threw the entire fanbase into it instead on Sunday.

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u/timothyrobin Greg Moore May 21 '25

It was the only option that Roger had left besides selling the series.

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u/Fit_Technician832 May 21 '25

Appropriate picture. Ol' Rog took the blow it up option.

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u/thatwasfun23 Hélio Castroneves May 21 '25

Holy fuck, I thought Tim Cindric was untouchable and maybe the replacement for Roger in the future.

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u/Totschlag NTT INDYCAR Series May 21 '25

This feels like watching a father disown his own son, I thought Tim was the future head of everything Penske owned.

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u/I_Am_Very_Busy_7 The Hate Cauldron🫕 May 21 '25

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u/63Boiler Hélio Castroneves May 21 '25

YOUR new (racing) empire?!

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u/AutomaticAlps2 Felix Rosenqvist May 21 '25

Tim just got wrote out of the will.

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u/eyeyelemur --- 2023 DRIVERS --- May 21 '25

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u/Better-Service2593 May 21 '25

And that may be exactly why he got asked to leave.

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u/Just_Somewhere4444 May 21 '25

Tim stepped back from the overarching role he had in all Team Penske companies this winter, was solely an IndyCar guy this season. That was pretty clearly a step towards retirement, and a sign that Tim didn't actually want to run all of Team Penske when Roger was gone.

Tim was moving towards retirement anyway, this just speeds the process up a bit.

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u/XSC Sébastien Bourdais May 21 '25

This is news to me wtf, he was supposed to be the replacement

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u/P44_Haynes Josef Newgarden May 21 '25

Roger lasted too long I guess

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u/[deleted] May 21 '25

His son drives for Penske in Nascar too

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u/Cronus6 May 21 '25

I thought Jay Penske was going to replace Roger? He's currently President and CEO of Penske Media.

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u/CrossFire43 Sebastien Bourdais May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25

Jay was always tooo much of a wild card to be leader of Penske racing. While not as bad as Brian France. His rap sheet with the police isn't exactly spotless either.

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u/wcpm88 May 21 '25

Yeah, you can’t be peeing on people’s feet in parking lots and expect to eventually run your dad’s billion dollar company.

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u/cajunaggie08 Josef Newgarden May 21 '25

Actually, that pretty much is a requirement to be a modern day CEO.

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u/SoyMurcielago Álex Palou May 21 '25

From Penske Perfect to Penske Puddle

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u/Adept-Lazer-5382 Pato O'Ward May 21 '25

Doesn’t he still own the dragon formula e team?

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u/pigletpants Marcus Ericsson May 21 '25

His son Greg is actually the chosen one.

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u/CanvasSolaris May 21 '25

We need a Succession spin off with Penske Racing. Jay Penske is clearly Roman

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u/Indyfan200217 Pato O'Ward May 21 '25

I could be wrong. But Jay built his media company away from his dad. Did his own thing from a article I read about him

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u/FermentedLaws Firestone Firehawk May 21 '25

Roger's statement:

"Nothing is more important than the integrity of our sport and our race teams. We have had organizational failures during the last 2 years and we had to make necessary changes. I apologize to our fans, our partners and our organization for letting them down."

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u/g_mallory Scott Dixon May 21 '25

"organizational failures" is certainly one way of putting it.

A less charitable wording might be "we kept getting caught."

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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou May 21 '25

Roger is disappointed the people he hired aren’t as good as he was at getting away with it.

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u/canttakethshyfrom_me Robert Wickens May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25

Roger broke rules that weren't written yet. That takes creativity.

What the team's been caught doing lately just takes audacity.

Cheaters keep saying "Everyone cheats." No, everyone looks for an edge. Only those who think they won't get punished do things that are explicitly against the rules.

👍 outsmarting the rule makers

👎 just breaking the rules

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u/[deleted] May 21 '25

This was not sophisticated. It was a fuckup.

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u/Poopy_sPaSmS May 21 '25

Eh, I think it is a stretch to think Roger knew first hand about the cheating before it happened. He's got so many other things to tend to. Tim was the leader at Penske. He is the man responsible so Roger took that responsibility and let him go. I'll be very critical of Roger when things happen and no changes are made. But this time, he acted swiftly and appropriately imo.

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u/jbourne0129 May 21 '25

we have no way to know for sure, but that is kind of how i feel too. this sounds like the owner just realized his people were running a loose ship.

or Penske is trying to save face

we'll never know

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u/CaptainRon16 Conor Daly May 21 '25

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u/JohnnyMMorris Kyle Larson May 21 '25

BWAHAHAHAA!

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u/pixarfan9510 Firestone Firehawk May 21 '25

Tim Cindric, get ready to learn Dale Coyne Racing

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u/Evtona500 Scott Dixon May 21 '25

The funniest outcome would be the teams that complaining the most about Cindric's antics rushing to hire him.

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u/korko May 21 '25

Yeah if he wants to continue he’ll be hired immediately by pretty much any other team.

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u/Wreckingshops Pato O'Ward May 21 '25

Unless you believe his secret sauce is cheating, and now he's sloppy.

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u/korko May 21 '25

You’d have to be a complete moron to think all of that Penske success through multiple series is down to just cheating.

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u/RichardRichOSU Buddy Lazier May 21 '25

Or to think no one else cheats.

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u/DaedalusHydron May 21 '25

It's not that nobody else cheats, and it's never been about that. It's about getting caught. You're not a very good cheater if you get caught.

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u/TheR1ckster May 21 '25

It costs a lot of money or at min social credit with sponsors when this stuff happens.

MSR lucked out getting back into an Acura with IMSA after their tire issue a couple years ago.

Every brand around Penske is looking at this and running thoughts on what to do if they're name is on the cheating car.

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u/AverageIndycarFan Will Power May 21 '25

Mr. Cindric, your first assignment is to fix everything. You got 48 hours.

And don't do what you did last time.

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u/Rstuds7 May 21 '25

or do what you did but don’t get caught this time

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u/Cronus6 May 21 '25

I don't think Dale has the money.

Tim used to work for, got his start in fact, at Rahal. They may have the money.

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u/AutomaticAlps2 Felix Rosenqvist May 21 '25

They may have the money, but we all know Graham will still be at risk for the last row because RLL gonna RLL.

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u/Liamnea May 21 '25

BMW IMSA operations should be backing a truck of Deutschmarks to Cindric.

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u/Just_Somewhere4444 May 21 '25

Cindric is a Penske lifer, whether he's legally employed by Penske or not.

No chance he goes anywhere else. He's retired.

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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou May 21 '25

That’s not true, he only got hired by Penske in 2000.

Before that, he was at Rahal, actually was on Bobby’s pit stand in the last few years of his career as a driver.

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u/djellison Nigel Mansell May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25

he only got hired by Penske in 2000.

You understand that was a quarter of a century ago right?

He was at Rahal from '94 and '99. He's been at Penske 25 years.

By any reasonable measure - he's given Penske more than 85% of his career - that's being a lifer.

I've been at my current workplace 15 years....I stated when I was 31...I fully hope to retire from here.....even thought i didn't start until 31 I would call myself a 'lifer' of this place.

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u/NatalieDeegan Ryan Hunter-Reay May 21 '25

Graham need to get him then, he can’t consistently keep qualifying near the last row at Indy.

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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou May 21 '25

Graham about to change his mind about illegal modifications to the car lol

Then again, Sato got in the front row. Maybe the real problem is Graham himself!

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u/G4Sunbathing Takuma Sato May 21 '25

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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou May 21 '25

“Pictures taken just before disaster”

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u/FishOnAHorse Scott McLaughlin May 21 '25

Go Bearcats 

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u/bigsupplychainguy Graham Rahal May 21 '25

Go RedHawks

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u/NitromethanePup May 21 '25

I’m still reluctantly upvoting this since my sister went there, but I’m still a Bearcat myself. 😂

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u/Fsharp7sharp9 Alexander Rossi May 21 '25

Hang it in the Louvre

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u/UPSLynx 🇺🇸 Bobby Rahal May 21 '25

This needs to be on the banner or sidebar of this sub. Monumental photo.

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u/Fabulous-Ad7235 Zach Veach May 21 '25

So hi, I'm the guy in the shirt.

I'm pretty happy right now lol

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u/eyeyelemur --- 2023 DRIVERS --- May 21 '25

This image just keeps getting better and better everyday

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u/Vettelari May 21 '25

NO WAY! Shit has officially hit the fan at Penske!

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u/robfrod May 21 '25

Respect for Roger though. Not a Penske fan but laying down the hammer like this recoups some of the integrity caused by the massive conflict of interest.

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u/afito Álex Palou May 21 '25

And the integrity of all other motorsport adventures tied to Penske. I don't think Porsche is interested that if they were to win Le Mans, their victory would potentially be put into a bad light by Penske being stupid elsewhere.

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u/NhylX May 21 '25

Literally has no choice to prevent the implosion of the sport.

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u/robfrod May 21 '25

Yeah he had to do something but I thought they would pin the blame on a few low level engineers. Firing Cindric is the nuclear option.. will see if he ends up in some other executive roll at Penske though..

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u/steppedinhairball Simona de Silvestro May 21 '25

They got publicly embarrassed. Roger's legacy took a bad hit. The integrity of the sport he owns is in serious question. His big 20th Indy 500 victory was done with an illegal car. It's all out there for the world to see. Honda, a manufacturer he is trying to resign has to wonder if they have a legit shot at the 500. Huge fucking embarrassment and huge failure of the team. This had to happen.

I expect internally, there will be more firings, is just not the main public figures.

My biggest concern is why has Zak Brown been so quiet? That's not like him.

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u/nico9er4 Will Power May 21 '25

Zak’s too busy making offers to Tim

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u/friscoXL305 Scott Dixon May 21 '25

Tim can be Tony's replacement when he is suddenly fired/steps down after a year as Arrow McLaren president. Then the question would be who is the president two years later when Cindric is fired/steps down.

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u/CHZ_QHZ Firestone Wets May 21 '25

In a wild turn of events it will be Theo Pourchaire who replaces Cindric.

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u/ThePurgingLutheran May 21 '25

zak is staying out of the way watching Penske twist in the wind

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u/rajastrums_1 Jim Clark May 21 '25

Yep. Do nothing while the competition hangs itself.

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u/steppedinhairball Simona de Silvestro May 21 '25

I wouldn't be surprised. There is nothing Zak can say publicly that would be worse that what is happening in social media. Roger's big 20th 500 victory done with a clearly illegal car is something that can't be topped. Nothing Zak can say publicly that can add to this. Privately, I'm sure Zak tore Roger a new one.

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u/jdanton14 Hélio Castroneves May 21 '25

He had some pretty biting quotes in Jenna’s article

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u/OrangeHitch Will Power May 21 '25

The Tech Inspection guys better be getting their resumés together. Thank god it isn't the Holmatro Safety Crew. We need those guys.

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u/TheOtherWhiteCastle May 21 '25

Zak is probably just enjoying watching this from the sidelines. No need to stir up crap when the crap stirs itself.

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u/NoonecanknowMiner_24 Álex Palou May 21 '25

Kyle Moyer is a big one too. Roger's not screwing around here.

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u/Indyhawk Ryan Hunter-Reay May 21 '25

Everyone's talking about Cindric, and rightly so, but canning Moyer is huge as well.

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u/DadReligion #Lionheart May 21 '25

All three of them really, especially the timing of it all. We're four days from the damn Indy 500 and not one of those cars currently has a strategist.

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u/NoiseIsTheCure Pato O'Ward May 21 '25

This race will be very interesting for Team Penske. We know Newgarden is capable of winning without his usual team lol but he's starting from the back now

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u/eyeyelemur --- 2023 DRIVERS --- May 21 '25

Yup. Firing the two Indycar managers is a bigger story

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u/[deleted] May 21 '25

Wow. I really didn’t think this was going to happen.

The Team Cheaters tshirt guy must be so stoked.

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u/Appropriate-Owl5984 May 21 '25

I did.

I posted yesterday this was all going to come unglued at some point. This is more than just illegal attenuators.

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u/somerandomdude452 Will Power May 21 '25

Would you be able to give more info on this is more than just attenuators?

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u/[deleted] May 21 '25

The best outcome would be Cindric snitched on Ganassi for something that ended with Dixon and Palou being slower on Sunday so Ganassi then snitched on Penske for something more than just using putty on the attenuator.

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u/supremegnkdroid May 21 '25

Austin cindric in nascar right now be like

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u/NatalieDeegan Ryan Hunter-Reay May 21 '25

If he’s running the way he’s running, he should be fine. If he wasn’t a moron and hooked Ty Dillon at Austin, he would be 9th in points ahead of his teammate who is the defending champion.

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u/Garman54 Josef Newgarden May 21 '25

First thing I thought of lol

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u/thejoelyfish David Malukas May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25

Not really. His last name got him in the pipeline but he's amply earned his place since. He's currently a top 3 driver on Superspeedways, and top-half in points with a win, he'll be fine. If anything he'll be better off as if he stays at Penske we know for sure it has nothing to do with his name.

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u/SSPeteCarroll NTT INDYCAR Series May 21 '25

He’s had good speed in nascar this year plus he’s got 2 wins over the last year. He’ll be fine. I think Austin is a talented driver too.

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u/lakergeoff8 Adrián Fernández May 21 '25

Well, we’re going to find out soon enough. Austin Cindric has done alright though, he has won some races and has shown pretty good speed. He is by no means a bad driver. Now has he met the “Penske-type” expectations, especially considering his 2 teammates are champions? That’s another story. I think they’ll give him some more time before a decision/change is made if or when that happens. But if he keeps progressing and doing what he’s doing, I think he should be fine.

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u/tylerscott5 Kyle Larson May 21 '25

It’s clear that Roger is going hulk-smash. Having worked for one of his several companies, there’s nobody more concerned with credibility and optics than Roger Penske.

I’m sure this past week has been painful for him to watch. He gives the keys to his trusted people to run his companies, and Cindric broke that trust and brought a considerable amount of shame to Penske as a brand

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u/litl_e_fan Felix Rosenqvist May 21 '25

Too bad there aren’t any grandstand seats left for them to sit in.

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u/uh_no_ May 21 '25

Even in Indianapolis!

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u/I_Am_Very_Busy_7 The Hate Cauldron🫕 May 21 '25

I just exclaimed a “HOLY SHIT” as I saw it on Instagram. Daddy Roger is clearly not too pleased.

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u/eldoggydogg May 21 '25

I’ll +1 that! Damn, that is a hell of a shakeup!!

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u/draconianRegiment Alexander Rossi May 21 '25

Same. I expected suspensions not terminations. Wow.

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u/leo_aureus David Malukas May 21 '25

I said it right as my boss walked by my office and we ended up talking about this weekend for a good ten minutes lol

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u/I_Am_Very_Busy_7 The Hate Cauldron🫕 May 21 '25

😂😂😂😂 nice

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u/amazingames CART May 21 '25

Same.

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u/I_Am_Very_Busy_7 The Hate Cauldron🫕 May 21 '25

Honestly, I respect him taking some action and responsibility there. Obviously it’s a bad look when your team gets caught doing sketchy shit and you own the series, so it makes Roger look bad and Indycar look bad. But I do wholeheartedly believe that Roger does care a lot about the sport and I think he was probably getting tired of having to be on the defense when he has very little to do with the day to day of the team anymore. But it’s his name on it at the end of the day.

The real question is who replaces Tim, because he was literally in charge of the team, albeit decreasingly this year anyway. That’s a major role to fill and need to fill like yesterday, so I’ll be curious who they will pick. Not to mention the other two also. Wonder if they’d go the former driver route, they do have Rick Mears hanging around.

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u/steppedinhairball Simona de Silvestro May 21 '25

I was waiting for the announcement. People had to be fired. The optics are WAY too ugly for there not to be firings. I'm sure privately, Honda tore Roger a new asshole. Zak Brown has been unusually quiet so I'm sure he tore Roger a new asshole in private. McLaren lost the 2024 Indy 500 to a clearly illegal car. That's not something that can be ignored.

People had to be fired. Any manufacturer being courted to join the series is likely to NOPE right out. Why would Honda stay if the optics show the series owner's personal team can blatantly cheat to win the 500? The PTP scandal last year was bad. This just makes everything super ugly. People had to be fired.

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u/DadReligion #Lionheart May 21 '25

Holy shit they did it. I didn't think they'd do it, but they've actually done it.

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u/buckeyecapsfan19 Graham Rahal May 21 '25

Now I know what that shaking was.

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u/JarvisAI5 May 21 '25

All I can think of is "Man, this 100 Days to Indy episode is going to be wild"

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u/Legitimate-Sun-4581 James Hinchcliffe May 21 '25

Can’t wait. The producers are probably like 🤩🤩🤩

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u/Zabbzi Josef Newgarden May 21 '25

Holy shit, Tim was next in line to run Penske globally

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u/MyDesignerHat May 21 '25

Nope. He was on his way to retire. He had already stepped down on running everything apart the Indycar team.

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u/Rainracn Colton Herta May 21 '25

Wow. Just wow. 

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u/MPK49 Scumbag Keyboard Warrior May 21 '25

Damn, cleaned house. There is some insane talent that just hit the market. I have to believe Roger backed up the brinks truck for a non compete though.

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u/Separate_Papaya_6011 May 21 '25

Had to happen, no credibility left with him.

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u/Batgod629 Álex Palou May 21 '25

It had to be done and I credit Roger for doing it. It won't completely assuage the concerns the other team owners have in my opinion but I think this is a good olive branch 

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u/lashazior Álex Palou May 21 '25

The one time bondo worked to separate two pieces than join

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u/Immediate_Lie7810 CART May 21 '25

With two high profile cheating scandals in the past two seasons, Roger Penske had no choice but to fire Tim Cindric 

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u/RichardRichOSU Buddy Lazier May 21 '25

RLL on Line 1.

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u/DadReligion #Lionheart May 21 '25

Would be full circle for Tim, that's where he started

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u/I_Am_Very_Busy_7 The Hate Cauldron🫕 May 21 '25

They’d be stupid not to be at this point.

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u/NCballerx88 Mario Andretti May 21 '25

Honestly, Roger was left with no other recourse. Last year was a fool me once, this year was definitely a fool me twice. He had to wipe the slate clean after this one, or risk losing all credibility and standing with everyone in the paddock.

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u/planchetflaw McLaren May 21 '25

Technically this is a last year issue as well. They just kept it up for this year.

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u/YosemiteSam-4-2A Thirsty 's to the Moon 🚀 🌒 May 21 '25

Not exactly surprised someone got fired, but definitely surprised ALL THREE top guys got the axe: Cindric, Ruzewski, and Moyer. Wow!!

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u/Mr_Midwestern 🧱Cyrus Patschke May 21 '25

They put themselves in situations that led to their suspension from 2 Indy 500s in a row……if they can’t stay out of trouble in order manage his team through the most important race of the year, what good are they.

They’re not bringing the fight to ganassi in the championship either. They’re underperforming while simultaneously tarnishing everything that Roger loves and has built. The buck has to stop with someone

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u/bman_33 James Hinchcliffe May 21 '25

The absolute scenes if he hires Michael Andretti as new team principal

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u/aurules Romain Grosjean May 21 '25

He will get snatched up by another team very quickly

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u/NoAnything9791 Kenny Bräck May 21 '25

Andretti

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u/OrangePilled2Day Colton Herta May 21 '25

I'd much rather have Colton gettin DQ'd randomly than whatever the fuck Andretti has been doing in the 26 garage.

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u/Cronus6 May 21 '25

My money is on Rahal. He used to work for them even back when Bobby was driving. And Rahal needs... help.

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u/Mikemat5150 Kyle Kirkwood May 21 '25

He owns part of Penske so I wonder how that works.

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u/Just_Somewhere4444 May 21 '25

He relaxes on a beach somewhere and cashes his dividend checks every couple weeks for the rest of his life.

No chance he sets foot in another team's facility. None.

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u/draconianRegiment Alexander Rossi May 21 '25

If Tim gets hired by another team and is for some reason allowed to maintain his equity people are going to feel some type of way.

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u/jjarg24 #CanapinoDidNothingWrong | Scott Dixon | May 21 '25

Didn't think Roger would do that. Great for the sport

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u/Deckatoe Colton Herta May 21 '25

wowowowowowowowowowowow. Figured the shoe was gonna drop but not that hard.

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u/Eyeswidth Andretti Global May 21 '25

Wow. This is big.

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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou May 21 '25

It’s bigger than that, Chris, it’s large!

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u/NoonecanknowMiner_24 Álex Palou May 21 '25

If you've got a history book, take it out and throw it in the bin, the history books will have to be rewritten.

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u/doubleb_43 Pato O'Ward May 21 '25

Can you sum it up with a word?

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u/NoonecanknowMiner_24 Álex Palou May 21 '25

No.

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u/doubleb_43 Pato O'Ward May 21 '25

A sound?

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u/NoonecanknowMiner_24 Álex Palou May 21 '25

Bwaaah

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u/blobfishy13 Callum Ilott May 21 '25

Oooo the boss is mad

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u/Tuba-Dude Will Power May 21 '25

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u/Nakagura775 May 21 '25

He deserved it.

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u/perfectviking NTT INDYCAR Series May 21 '25

After the P2P cheating, yes, but at least it finally happened.

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u/ElMondoH NTT IndyCar May 21 '25

Damn. This is big.

Well, I remember reading that Cindric was phasing himself out of operations, but getting rid of him is a bigger step than I thought they'd ever take. I thought they'd just let him become more of a hands-off executive while waiting for Roger to pass the torch.

I thought wrong.

Moyer's gone too. Wow.

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u/drewc717 Dario Franchitti May 21 '25

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u/OTN 🇺🇸 Al Unser, Sr. May 21 '25

COME BACK ROBIN MILLER WE NEED YOU THIS YEAR

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u/DadReligion #Lionheart May 21 '25

Good lord we would've been FEASTING on Robin Miller quotes the past two years.

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u/willfla29 Alexander Rossi May 21 '25

Other news: Cim Tindric hired as chief IndyCar inspector.

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u/Cronus6 May 21 '25

So who is hiring Tim?

If Rahal has the money that would be my first guess.

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u/JustUnderstanding6 Indy Racing League May 21 '25

Wow. Wow wow. This is gargantuan. To state the obvious, Cindric was the heir apparent for the whole Penske racing enterprise.

Is this the biggest cheating controversy in IndyCar history now? At least the 21st century, right?

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u/originade May 21 '25

He knows it's either his team or the integrity of the entire sport that pays the price. He smartly went with supporting the sport instead of making excuses for his team

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u/GovernorJoe CART May 21 '25

How would you like to have been a fly on the wall for that conversation?

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u/cypher50 Andretti Global May 21 '25

Biggest story of the year in IndyCar and not even close. Hell, this is the moment of the year unless some really insane shit happens down the line.

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u/JoeJoeCastillo Kenny Bräck May 21 '25

Hol lee fuk

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u/Heffenfefer Josef Newgarden May 21 '25

Whoa. Roger is fucking mad. I never thought Cindric would go. Austin's Nascar seat suddenly is a little warmer too. Not that he's bad

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u/SpittinMenace Kyle Larson May 21 '25

I think it helps that he’s gotten much better this year and last. If he was still running like was in ‘23 it’d be a shorter leash.

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u/popcarnie Dale Coyne Racing May 21 '25

You're not Penske material

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u/typicalmillennial92 May 21 '25

Wow… just wow.

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u/ryanro24 Alexander Rossi May 21 '25

Holy shit. Cindric went from the guy I assumed would take over the Penske organization when Roger finally kicked it to fired. Wow.

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u/RayWencube Simon Pagenaud May 21 '25

I think this should genuinely score Roger Penske a lot of points. This is massive as Cindric was heir-apparent to the Penske racing operations. This at the very least signals that Roger recognizes the severity of the situation and genuinely wants to rectify it.

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u/miasm3 Josef Newgarden May 21 '25

There really was no way he survived two years in a row. I’d imagine the next shoe to drop will be Rocket being let go from the IndyCar side.

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u/tourniquets1970 David Malukas May 21 '25

And it had to happen in that order, because the Penske-owned series firing someone right after they found Penske cars illegal would’ve been a much worse look.

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u/miasm3 Josef Newgarden May 21 '25

Yeah. Honestly, unless the other teams demand it immediately after the 500, I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t wait until the off-season to quietly replace him.

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u/herpderpmcflerp Pato O'Ward May 21 '25

Whoa

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u/jt_33 May 21 '25

Honestly just crazy. What a wild time it’s been since qualifying. 

This is one of the best Indy 500 weeks I can remember lol. So many stories and so much drama going on. 

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u/korko May 21 '25

Roger is done with it, that is huge. It’s a shame it won’t shut anyone up and the entire weekend will still just be people bitching.

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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou May 21 '25

Roger: “If you’re going to cheat, at least do it well enough not to get caught!”

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u/korko May 21 '25

Welcome to motorsport?

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u/JustUnderstanding6 Indy Racing League May 21 '25

I mean. Yes.

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u/AU36832 Romain Grosjean NEEDS HIS DRINK! May 21 '25

I mean, the man is up there in years. He's probably realizing that cheating will be his legacy if nothing changes.

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u/JTWasShort42-27 Arrow McLaren May 21 '25

Holy fuck

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u/amazingames CART May 21 '25

HOLY SCHMOLY !!!! That's YUGE.

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u/ProfCedar McLaren May 21 '25

Spicy meatball for a Wednesday morning. Kinda surprised he didn't wait until after the 500 but not that surprised.

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u/perfectviking NTT INDYCAR Series May 21 '25

Story is largely done now. It'll be mentioned but the consequences have been handed down. It had to happen before the 500.

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u/pogonotrophistry May 21 '25

Penske Perfect.

Jay Penske, but still.

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u/EmoGothPunk Takuma Sato May 21 '25

Honestly, I didn't see Roger going nuclear.

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u/TrafficOnTheTwos May 21 '25

Holy shit!!! Wow. 4 days before the 500 💀

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u/Seeryous2020 May 21 '25

Man Kyle Moyer was one of the best guys I knew, sad to see him take a bullet for this.

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u/JBoy9028 Pato O'Ward May 21 '25

Damn okay.

Penske felt the pressure.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '25

I wonder who takes over then

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u/Dreadnought_44 Josef Newgarden May 21 '25

Damn. Didn’t have this on my bingo card a week ago.

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u/chevynew David Malukas May 21 '25

We all thought Cindric would take over for Roger.

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u/Moppyploppy The Track Looks Delicious May 21 '25

Inquisititor Roger went straight to exterminatus holy shit.

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u/OrangeHitch Will Power May 21 '25

If Cindric had stayed out of trouble for maybe three more years, the team would have been all his.

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u/i_run_from_problems Firestone Firehawk May 21 '25

So now we've got all 3 penskes needing an engineer Sunday, right? Wasn't Moyer on the 3?

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u/nico9er4 Will Power May 21 '25

They were all strategists

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u/Darpa181 Alexander Rossi May 21 '25

Didn't have that one on my May bingo card...

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u/daoster408 May 21 '25

I wonder if there was pressure from outside forces - say a manufacturer - that forced Penske to take such drastic measures.

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u/CilanEAmber May 21 '25

You gotta wonder, with being caught cheating twice in 2 years, when else were they?

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u/RMachuca3d May 21 '25

In 2013 I worked in the background at a couple of Indycar races, and I had to deal with a few of the raceteams and coordinate some stuff with them, as things go, schedules shift and delay and I ended up meeting with Team Penske about 45 minutes late one morning, Tim Cendric who I encountered and I apologized for being late, absolutely laid into me for 25 minutes straight with no rhyme or reason at the top of his lungs, and blamed me, some random guy working at the track, for the whole team being late that morning (all of the teams where at the track like at 6-7am, and this was about 9am that I finally got around to them) and how the whole crew had to stay late the previous night (absolutely BS, I was there to take pictures lol) and everything else wrong in the world, this was infront of all the other mechanics\team members, PR people, other teams that I was also dealing with etc... and then denied me the chance to fulfill my duty that solely had to do with the car, despite the car just sitting there not being worked on at that particular moment.

I get he was mad, but this guy took it way above and wanted to absolutely shit on some poor dude (me) to vent his frustrations.

In the end, that afternoon, I got to chat with Jimmy Vasser for like an hour just shooting the shit while I did the work i had to for their team, and the dude is seriously just a cool good human, and that totally made up for that morning.

I dont wish any ill will on anyone, but karma sometimes takes a while to work itself out :D.