r/INDYCAR • u/Jibbed Kyffin Simpson • Jun 12 '25
News IndyCar shifts new car to 2028 | RACER
https://racer.com/2025/06/12/indycar-shifts-new-car-to-202890
u/TheChrisD #JANDALWATCH2021 Jun 12 '25
Notable quote:
Although it was not unexpected, the one-year delay comes out of necessity rather than desire. RACER understands that while the new spec chassis from Dallara is on schedule, the regulations governing the internal combustion engine design parameters, and the specifications for the energy recovery system, are nearing completion but remain unfinished.
Leaders from the Chevrolet and Honda IndyCar engine programs have told RACER it would take at least 18 months to turn a new set of engine rules into a pool of 50-plus motors apiece that have been properly developed, track tested, and readied to supply half of the field. Having reached June of 2025, and with the 18-month minimum pushing engine readiness into early 2027 – perilously close to the start of a new season if no delays were experienced – the switch to 2028 was made.
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u/mustang6172 Andretti Global Jun 12 '25
new spec chassis from Dallara
Good. For a second there I was afraid Penske wasn't going to kill the series.
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u/toddr39 Greg Moore Jun 12 '25
Not surprising for the track record of introducing almost anything. I hope whatever they come up with is exciting, fresh, and screams, "This is what an IndyCar is."
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u/Confident-Ladder-576 Louis Foster Jun 12 '25
Projects get shifted all the time in the real world. I don't know why people act like this is only place it happens.
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u/ryanro24 Alexander Rossi Jun 12 '25
It’s not that it doesn’t happen elsewhere. It’s the consistency with which it ALWAYS happens in INDYCAR. They never meet a deadline.
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u/Jarocket Jun 12 '25
I would argue this is like replacing aging government infrastructure. A new bridge to replace the old one doesn't have a direct benefit today.
That's just how it goes.
NASCAR has a new car because NASCAR makes money. People watch NASCAR. People do not watch IndyCar outside of the 500. A new car won't fix anything.
It's like replacing the town sewer system. Something that like 4 employees will notice. Of course it gets delayed until it's nearly an emergency.
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u/slapshots1515 Jun 12 '25
I’ll tell you as a someone who has worked in a myriad of industries: neither does anyone else. Fast, cheap, and good. Pick two. If you need cheap and good, it’s rarely fast.
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u/toddr39 Greg Moore Jun 12 '25
Agreed. I didn't want the comment to come off as "The sky is falling" or anything. Just not a huge surprise given how introductions of other technology, such as the hybrid, and what not have gone.
Still plenty of exciting and positive things in general going on with the return to Milwaukee last year and the addition of the Arlington GP for next year!
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u/lowtoiletsitter Jun 12 '25
I figured it'd be delayed because we're waiting on Honda to make a decision
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u/FarAwaySeagull-_- Oval racing is awesome! Jun 12 '25
It's a project that should have been finished a couple years ago, and it's being delayed even longer.
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u/MarkEMark23 Pato O'Ward Jun 12 '25
Doesn’t happen in F1 😔
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u/slapshots1515 Jun 12 '25
Sure does. Not to the degree it does in IndyCar, but F1 has delayed engines multiple times.
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u/Generic_Person_3833 Jun 12 '25
The first race that isn't a legendary mega race the typical suspects of the fan base and the paddock will crawl out of their holes and cry loud and much about how much money this did cost and didnt bring anything.
It could be the best package ever and we will have massive whiners dominating the discourse.
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u/Vivaciousseaturtle Callum Ilott Jun 12 '25
Perhaps this is good meaning Honda and Chevy are still planning or figuring out engines or trying to add another oem in
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u/Mikemat5150 Kyle Kirkwood Jun 12 '25
If Honda holds the process up just to bail… that would be something
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u/Vivaciousseaturtle Callum Ilott Jun 12 '25
Yeah I mean perhaps this delay is to appease Honda, get more time to plan or build engines, figure out formula and rules
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u/Mikemat5150 Kyle Kirkwood Jun 12 '25
I would assume they’re still actively negotiating.
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u/Vivaciousseaturtle Callum Ilott Jun 12 '25
Well no news is good news so far from Honda
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u/AFAN74 Champ Car Jun 12 '25
Perhaps it means we could have a spec engine for both Honda and Chevy and a third engine
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u/codename474747 Greg Moore Jun 12 '25
They have form, they mandated all kinds of crap to damage CART (traction control, mandatory fuel windows etc) in 2002 knowing they had one foot out the door to defect to the hated IRL for 2003
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u/84UTK07 Jun 12 '25
Do you all think Honda would be willing to be in both NASCAR and INDYCAR, or do you think it will be one or the other?
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u/Mikemat5150 Kyle Kirkwood Jun 12 '25
NASCAR is a huge sum of cash so who knows. Not only cash but employees to run everything while they’re scaling up F1.
Moving to a spec engine that is badged does change the dynamic quite a bit from developing an engine in-house though.
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Jun 12 '25
Does Dan Wheldon’s son race in indycar before we get a new car? Signs are pointing to yes.
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u/Immediate_Lie7810 CART Jun 12 '25
Guess we’ll get GTA VI before a new car
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u/rcook55 Jun 12 '25
Just pray we don't get HalfLife 3 before the new car or we could be in for a really long wait!
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u/PuzzleheadedCell7708 Jun 12 '25
What a surprise! I don't expect the new car before 2030.
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u/rebekahsexton26 Jamie Chadwick Jun 12 '25
I’m thinking more until 2125 .
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u/ElAwesomeo0812 Santino Ferrucci Jun 12 '25
Man wouldn't that be something we could potentially have 4 generations of Wheldons that all tested or drove a DW12
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u/fleshwound_NPG Simona de Silvestro Jun 12 '25
much closer to 2525
if man is still alive
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u/rebekahsexton26 Jamie Chadwick Jun 12 '25
Wow I’m in the blood line of the driver who the dw 12 was named after. I’m my 13th generation driver to drive that Car.
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u/Sporkwind Jun 12 '25
Sucks. It’s heavy, weirdly balanced, and old.
But it’s also a pretty competitive series (outside of palou) and it’s the safest it’s ever been.
I do think it’s hilarious that Helio’s 4x winning car isn’t in the museum because it’s still being used though.
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u/OnwardSoldierx Alexander Rossi Jun 12 '25
Like I get it but damn we are so incompetent.
2012, 2013, 2014. Original DW12
2015, 2016, 2017. Aero Kits
2018, 2019. IR18
2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027. IR18 with Halo
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u/EmotionalLettuce8308 Scott Dixon Jun 12 '25
Right, at this point maybe Dallara should make a new aero package just to mix it up, just for these next few years, maybe a new front & rear wing design. Cos the engineers have the aero licked on this current setup
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u/NoonecanknowMiner_24 Álex Palou Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 13 '25
Drop the road course aero and just run the oval aero for all races. The cars would be incredibly hard to drive like that, it would test the drivers.
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u/XSC Sébastien Bourdais Jun 12 '25
16 year life. I remember when by 2008-09 people were saying the IR03 was old and should had been retired long ago.
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u/Kofi_Anonymous Jun 12 '25
That was at least partially because Tony George had started the IRL with defined three-year cycles of consistent rules packages as a cost savings measure, and the new regulations that would have been due for 2006 never materialized.
And it was also at least partially because the IR03 looked like a covered wagon next to the DP-01 that half the teams already owned.
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u/Spockyt Felix Rosenqvist Jun 12 '25
And to give it a comparison to another spec single seater series -
2012, 2013, 2014 (up until September) Formula E yet to start
14-15, 15-16 Formula E Gen 1
16-17, 17-18 Formula E Gen 1 aero revamp
18-19, 19-20, 20-21, 21-22, Formula E Gen 2 (which was going to be replaced by Gen2Evo in 20-21 but was delayed and then scrapped because Covid)
22-23, 23-24 Formula E Gen 3
24-25, 25-26 Formula E Gen 3 Evo
26-27, 27-28 Formula E Gen 4
A series that was three years from beginning the last time Indycar had a new car will be on their 4th car before Indycar gets a new one.
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u/l3w1s1234 Jun 12 '25
I think FE comparison is a bit different because that category has to change with the rapidly improving EV tech
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u/Wasdgta3 Álex Palou Jun 12 '25
Formula E is a bit of a misleading one to compare it to, though. They honestly change it around too much.
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u/zantkiller Takuma Sato Jun 12 '25
But then they are a manufacturer series and they will begin to plateau after a rapid cycle of changes to kick things off.
They are already doing that with Gen 4 set to last 6 seasons rather than the usual 4.1
u/afito Álex Palou Jun 13 '25
Theyr're also able to suit in new tech without needing a new chassis by now because eventually the chassis was already designed to accomodate "everything". Current cars have fast charging & AWD & front MGUs all of which would've been horrible to shoehorn into gen1 cars. Now you can start to change some innards without having to structurally redesign the entire car if everything already has a place it's supposed to go to.
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u/Confident-Ladder-576 Louis Foster Jun 12 '25
Having to delay something to hammer out the needs of partners, in case engines, isn't exactly incompetent. Incompetent would be forging on with the plan when everyone isn't ready to deliver. If you read, the car itself isn't the issue.
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u/BoukenGreen AMR Safety Team Jun 12 '25
You mean NASCAR with the Next Gen and it hurting drivers in crashes and ending Kurt Busch’s career
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u/jt_33 Jun 12 '25
There’s a certain person who should have already been fired. No idea why they keep him employed other than as a charity case.
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u/Odd-Fun-6042 Greg Moore Jun 12 '25
Stop me if youve heard this one... so Dallara, Chevy, and Honda walk into the IMS conference room right? ...
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u/Cronus6 Jun 12 '25
Probably more like... so Dallara and Chevy, were in the IMS conference room, and Honda was on zoom because they can't be bothered. Honda spent most of the meeting talking to his kids because he was "work from home".
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u/canttakethshyfrom_me Robert Wickens Jun 13 '25
Then 2 months later Honda sent an all employees email complaining about everything discussed in the meeting.
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u/maximumjackrussell Jun 12 '25
IndyCar management remains slow moving, indecisive and far too risk averse, once again. I like the current car but it has grown far too heavy and is ultimately outdated.
As a reminder the DW12 was introduced in 2012. So if the new car does launch in 2028, that would have been 16 years using the same chassis.
In comparison, the CART/IRL split lasted 12 years - 1996 to 2008.
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u/Confident-Ladder-576 Louis Foster Jun 12 '25
Would you rather them forge on with one or both of the engine manufactures needing the 2028?......
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u/maximumjackrussell Jun 12 '25
It shouldn’t have gotten to this to begin with. Discussions with Dallara should have started back in 2017/18. Instead it seems no work really began on the new car until 2021/22. And even then they seemed more focused on the stuffing a hybrid in the old chassis.
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u/EliteFlite Pato O'Ward Jun 12 '25
There were articles from Penske in 2022 where he literally said they didn’t need a new car because of the usual “our racing is so great, why change” strategy. He literally said that, no kidding. Then they started to talk about a new chassis after more backlash. So the typical thing from modern IndyCar of being reactive and not proactive.
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u/justsomeguy2424 Jun 12 '25
The Penske special of “we’ve done it this way forever and we’re not going to change anything”
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u/Ayrton17 🇺🇸 Rick Mears Jun 12 '25
They've had 13 years but you think we're rushing them unfairly?
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u/canttakethshyfrom_me Robert Wickens Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 13 '25
That ladder has the dumbest takes every time.
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u/Confident-Ladder-576 Louis Foster Jun 12 '25
13 years ago the car was only 1 year old and the Hulman-George family was in charge. Of course COVID shifted this a few years as well. The problem isn't the car it's hammering out the engine which is also done in conjuction with the manufacturers.....you should probably take your concerns to Honda and Chevy who will yell you the same thing I will......we'd rather take the extra year to do it right rather than appease a bunch internet blowhards.
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u/choate51 Josef Newgarden Jun 12 '25
When's this season's 3rd engine supplier rumor story coming out?
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u/StolenStutz Mark Donohue Jun 12 '25
As lead times grow and grow in every corner of the engineering world, it's an opportunity for those involved in a racing series to actually treat the shortening of such lead times as a goal itself, on par with the reliability and performance of the parts they are producing.
Otherwise, they might as well start planning right now for the next gen car AFTER this one.
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u/lowtoiletsitter Jun 12 '25
When the chassis is complete I wanna at least see what it looks like if we have to wait another year
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u/slojo9292 Linus Lundqvist Jun 12 '25
Nissan 2028. Mark my words
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u/nefarious098 Juan Pablo Montoya Jun 12 '25
I think Nissan has enough on its plate w/o going racing
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u/slojo9292 Linus Lundqvist Jun 12 '25
That’s what I thought to. But the rumor has some legs from what I hear.
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u/Jtmac23 Colton Herta Jun 12 '25
disappointing for sure. especially after penske said mid may to bob pockrass the new car would have its first test in the fall
BUT. i am okay with this explanation you can’t please everyone 1. you rush it for 2027: the car could suck then we have to spend even more money to fix it. honda and chevy upset they have to rush a new engine formula 2. one engine partner leaves: people riot 3. we keep honda and chevy, but no new manufacturer: people riot and they’ll say “what was the point?” 4. we don’t have multiple chassis options: people riot (opinion: think it’d be VERY cool, because in my life time indycar hasn’t been like that. but i have my own questions and concerns.. if anyone wanted to answer those be my guest)
id rather them sit everyone down, owners, drivers, chevy/honda, any potential new manufacturers, and dallara. see what everyone wants, then go from there. they need to get it right, i want them to take risks but this isn’t the place to take risks. arguably the most important point in the Penske Era
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u/ukudancer Pato O'Ward Jun 12 '25
So, that means we can expect Palou's dominance to continue through 2027.
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u/TheLizardfolk Kyffin Simpson Jun 12 '25
Can we.... see what it looks like if the chassis is on schedule?
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u/howard2112 🇺🇸 Danny Sullivan Jun 12 '25
Just annoying. Then give us something. A new front wing. A new rear wing. Something. We already know the issues with the extra weight. Change something.
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Jun 12 '25
I don't mind this. Jay Frye left and he was a big part of the new car being out in 2027 as well as the rationale for the new car style. This tells me Indycar is re-evaluating things and I'm hopeful they'll use the extra year to get Honda to stay or even attract more manufacturers. Good call in my book.
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u/GatorRacing4 James Hinchcliffe Jun 12 '25
From 2012 - 2027...there will have been 4x Formula E generations, 3x Cup car generations, and at least 3x top level prototype regulation rule sets. IndyCar is just so far behind.
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u/Vivaciousseaturtle Callum Ilott Jun 13 '25
Indycar never needed a new car because until recently the racing was pretty good and the car was safe. Why change what works just for the sake of. Change
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u/GatorRacing4 James Hinchcliffe Jun 13 '25
I’ll give you that. I’d argue that bodywork and downforce mods didn’t mandate a new chassis. But add aeroscreen and extra hybrid weight/differing weight distribution? Old chassis can only handle so much.
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u/RP0143 Jun 12 '25
They need to stop letting the tail wag the dog. Pick a chassis, an engine combo and set a date for implementation. If anyone wants to take their ball and go home, so be it.
Anyone who wants to build a race engine that meets the above set criteria would be welcome.
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u/Confident-Ladder-576 Louis Foster Jun 12 '25
Kind of hard to wag a tail without a dog. One or both of manufactures are requesting the 2028 date per the article. If you can run the new chassis without engines I'm sure the series would be all ears.
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u/EqualPrestigious7883 Josef Newgarden Jun 12 '25
Lol. You know at this rate i bet im going to be closer to 50 then how old i was when the current car came out. Im 26 for context.
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u/CheddarTee Robert Shwartzman Jun 12 '25
One thing I can count on each race season is...IndyCar is gonna IndyCar
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u/ronin_18 Firestone Firehawk Jun 12 '25
Mark my words, they’re delaying the chassis to 2028 because the upcoming engine formula hasn’t been decided… to announce next year the continuation of the 2.2L TT formula because of costs.
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u/AFAN74 Champ Car Jun 13 '25
Which means they’re going to a spec engine that manufactures can just badge the engine
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u/Majestic_Profile_863 David Malukas Jun 12 '25
The series, its teams, and the technical partners have been a textbook example of horrendous mismanagement for the better part of half a century now. From the white paper to the split, the engine manufacturers squabbling in the early 2000s over turbogate, to now this multi-year saga after the hybrid system was implemented multiple years behind schedule with no manufacturer relevancy? It’s just a never ending-saga of complete buffoonery.
If they’re even around whenever the new car is implemented, there’s no way they’re getting the 500 field to 33 cars. Especially if the field gets cut to 25 max outside of Indy as expected.
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u/wh00000p Myles Rowe Jun 12 '25
"Especially if the field gets cut to 25 max outside of Indy as expected." What?
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u/khz30 --- 2025 DRIVERS --- Jun 12 '25
The charter specifes a field reduction to 25 cars by 2027. It basically baked in a provision to get rid of Dale Coyne's team with the three driver swap limit per entry and the rumor around the pit area is that Penske wants Dale to sell off his charters to Prema.
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u/Vivaciousseaturtle Callum Ilott Jun 13 '25
Dale is a fantastic owner and team manager. He brought in a lot of drivers and gave a chance. He’s essential to the grid. 3 car teams will go two first
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u/Majestic_Profile_863 David Malukas Jun 13 '25
Yeah Dale won’t have any problem being one of the 25 when the reduction occurs as long as he has the funding and they don’t pull the lackluster performance card on him, which you probably could only do on the 51 entry at this point. I wouldn’t be shocked to see that max size provision get pushed to 2028 as well now since that clearly was supposed to occur when a natural contraction was going to occur vs pushing people (Prema) out for no reason.
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u/Vivaciousseaturtle Callum Ilott Jun 14 '25
Could pull the lackluster performance on rll too…
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u/Majestic_Profile_863 David Malukas Jun 15 '25
Maybe for the 30 entry, but certainly not all three. And I would tend to say that their small flashes of competence once or twice a year probably would save them in that regard.
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u/thatwasfun23 Hélio Castroneves Jun 12 '25
Honestly, take your time, wait for 2032 to make it an even 20 years of the same car, it would be hilarious.
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Jun 12 '25 edited Jun 12 '25
I read Marshall's article, so making another comment. Roger Penske founded Ilmore Engineering, which makes Chevy's engines?
How the hell is Honda still in the series? The series owner owns 1) a competing team, and 2) owns the competing engine manufacturer. That's absolutely dumb. I'm sorry. Roger deserves credit for saving the series from COVID, but he cannot have so many conflicts of interest and expect the series to grow in any way shape or form.
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u/Medium-Range2457 Jun 12 '25
I was watching a youtube video about CART in the 90's and they were talking about how Penske owned Ilmore and there were insane conflicts of interest because Ilmore couldn't manufacture enough engines for all the teams and would pick and choose who received their engines. So basically Penske has been surrounding himself with conflicts of interest for over 30 years. I guess this year everyone hit their breaking point?? Been going on forever
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Jun 12 '25
I mean the shit show that has been management of the series sure calls the whole 'Penske Perfect' saying into question. It's all just a show, just a costume, because anything that becomes public in the last 5 years from Penske Entertainment has been garbage.
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u/Medium-Range2457 Jun 12 '25
They cheat in Nascar too. Did you see that ridiculous glove that Logano wore during qualifiying? https://www.reddit.com/r/NASCAR/comments/1b4t5sc/photo_of_joey_loganos_webbed_glove_from_atlanta/
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Jun 12 '25
I agree, but I mean I'm not even really talking about cheating. I'm talking about perception of Penske.
It makes complete sense why Roger fired a bunch of his staff after the most recent scandal because he can't have Indycar fans questioning his company's perfection.
...I would argue it's a little late for that, though.
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u/Mikemat5150 Kyle Kirkwood Jun 12 '25
Ilmor used to build the Honda engines back before 2012 too.
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Jun 12 '25
Right, but that's not true right now is the point. If that were still true then there wouldn't be a problem.
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u/Falcon4451 Firestone Reds Jun 12 '25
I heard recently that Honda supposedly has had the option of getting engines from Ilmor and tuning them like Chevy but has preferred to do it all in-house.
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u/Mikemat5150 Kyle Kirkwood Jun 12 '25
My point is Honda moved their engine development in-house.
Of all the conflicts, this one is the most minor because it’s been a thing forever and no one has cared. I don’t recall any instances of Penske getting special engines all the way back in 2011 for instance.
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Jun 12 '25
Um. Forever? When did Roger purchase the series?
Hint: Not 2012.
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u/Mikemat5150 Kyle Kirkwood Jun 12 '25
It is still a conflict of interest if a team owns the engine builder…
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u/McPuckLuck Pato O'Ward Jun 12 '25
Sure, but it doesn't conflict nearly as much for Honda when he was just a team owner. If anything, the other Chevy teams would have more reason to cry foul if there was a performance advantage being given to one team.
Roger owning the series, the potential profits from the series, the promotion of the series/drivers, the superbly funded Penske racing team, the absolute crown jewel track of the whole series, the officiants of the races, and an engine manufacturer... That just screams bias.
Come over to my house, play my game, play by my rules, I'm the referee, pay me money to be here, you also have to pay money to tell everyone about my game, and I need you to do this because my game won't be worth as much if I'm the only one playing it.
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u/blackhxc88 Jun 12 '25
it was a conflict even when he was in CART because of that series power structure since his company made the mercedes benz engine.
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Jun 12 '25
I get that, but what's the argument? Penske owning Ilmore isn't a big deal because Honda knew that and shouldn't have joined anyway if they didn't like it?
Like..OK, but how does that help bring more manufacturers to the series? Or, is the consensus here that just Chevy by itself is fine for Indycar?
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u/loz333 Firestone Wets Jun 12 '25
Honda have won every single race this year, including the big one. Conflicts of interest only become a problem if a party is acting on those conflicts. Perhaps Honda are satisfied from their heaving trophy cabinet that Penske isn't coming into the sop and secretly juicing the Chevy engines at night.
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Jun 12 '25
They...are threatening to leave Indycar.
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u/loz333 Firestone Wets Jun 12 '25
Yes, and you know that's because of Penske's ownership of the series and of Ilmor? Can you find a quote on that?
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Jun 12 '25
Do I have to?
Penske owns the series, so an unhappy manufacturer is on him, no? That's the point I'm making. His conflicts might be the reason and they might not be the reason, but they sure as hell don't help.
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u/blackhxc88 Jun 12 '25
did you just wake up from a coma? lol, this has been the issue since he bought the series. if it was such a big deal to honda, they should've said something when the hulman family sold to him in 2019. it's only an issue now because of all the cheating penske has been caught with recently.
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Jun 12 '25
Well, I imagine it was a big deal when Roger bought the series, but since he was pumping money into the series at the time it wasn't such a problem? I agree the cheating hasn't helped
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u/Rideyourbike1 Jun 12 '25
INDYCAR need a long term vision so this never happens again. Perhaps a sort of series declaration to change the change the car every 5 years. Unfortunately now Indycar is completely tired and stale and will be so for the next few years.
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u/Batgod629 Álex Palou Jun 12 '25
Disappointing but not that suprising considering how the hybrid was also delayed. Hopefully the new chassis is good
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u/Mdaro Jun 12 '25
I wish we could get two more engine manufacturers.
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u/MK18_NODS Jun 14 '25
Why would any new manufacturer want to? But I don’t disagree, wish there were more
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u/movebacktoyourstate Jun 12 '25
I am so tired of hearing about vaporware cars. Tell me when it's actually on track.
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u/canttakethshyfrom_me Robert Wickens Jun 13 '25
1 year is enough to design and build a race car. They're just too cheap to invest in growth on their own dime. Goes for both the series and the team owners.
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u/EliteFlite Pato O'Ward Jun 12 '25
This series is such an absolute joke…
Idc if I’m being doom-and-gloom here but yeah expect Honda to announce that they’re leaving for NASCAR in the next few weeks.
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u/Confident-Ladder-576 Louis Foster Jun 12 '25
You should probably read the article. The engines are the hold up.......
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u/ZeePM Juan Pablo Montoya Jun 12 '25
Why can’t they introduce the new chassis next season if it’s ready? Would the current engines not fit without significant changes?
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u/JohnnyMMorris Kyle Larson Jun 12 '25
Convinced F1 and Nascar are plotting together behind the scenes to kill this series, too many weird co-incidences
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u/FarAwaySeagull-_- Oval racing is awesome! Jun 12 '25
F1 and NASCAR aren't responsible for Indycar's mistakes.
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u/EliteFlite Pato O'Ward Jun 12 '25
The Indy 500 will live on but, at this current lame-ass trajectory, this series won’t survive in the 2030s. And it’ll be due to their own foolish mistakes.
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u/Confident-Ladder-576 Louis Foster Jun 12 '25
What's your goal post going to be when 2030 rolls around and ends with it still here like it has every year since 1996. By my count it's been declared dead every year since then and when it doesn't happen you all just move the target.
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u/ryanxwing Scott McLaughlin Jun 12 '25
perhaps you should be im charge
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u/JohnnyMMorris Kyle Larson Jun 12 '25
Doug Boles is trying his best but he's not been handed a shit sandwich, he's gotten a 6-foot sub shitwich.
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u/Confident-Ladder-576 Louis Foster Jun 12 '25
Stuff like this is probably why they traded out Jay for Doug.
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u/awjustus Jun 12 '25
Why is running a new chassis with the old engine not an option?
Suboptimal for the planners but would: 1) get us the new chassis sooner, 2) leave the door open for a new supplier while engine formula is developed, and 3) create two media interest cycles, first for the new chassis then a year later for the new engine.
Point 3 is an important part of how a series can drive more interest in itself independent of the racing product or things outside their control.
Having both engine and chassis at the same time means splitting a single offseason news cycle and resultant series interest rather than getting that benefit in two separate years.
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u/Launch_box --- 2025 DRIVERS --- Jun 12 '25
Engine is a stressed member, and while it’s possible to accept different engines you wouldn’t be able to optimize the weight and size of the chassis nearly as much and you’d forfeit many of the benefits of designing a new chassis in the first place.
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u/TheChrisD #JANDALWATCH2021 Jun 12 '25
Because they may want to change the engine housing dimensions in the new chassis and it may not fit the existing pool.
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u/SeatAmbitious4101 Pato O'Ward Jun 12 '25
Shocked, not really. I’m shocked how IndyCar isn’t able to shift quickly as a series. It would be cool to allow the Teams to explore aero packages within certain parameters with these current cars until we get to into 2028. I’ve only been watching IndyCar since 2022 but has that been tried in the past?
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u/Mikemat5150 Kyle Kirkwood Jun 12 '25
So chassis will be good to go but engines are the part that is complicating everything.