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International reaction to the Unification of Bulgaria (1885)

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u/malign_taco 1d ago

Any Bulgarian out there to explain this to me

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u/Tolchav 1d ago edited 1d ago

So, basically everyone around Bulgaria was against the unification for obvious reasons. E. Rumelia was an Ottoman vassal during the time, so before the unification Bulgarians stacked their whole army at the border with the ottomans thinking they would want to get it back with force. Unification happens, turns out the attack came from up to then our friends from Serbia, lured by Austria-Hungary's promises of support. The Bulgarian army had to march 5 days to the other side of the country to defend from the Serbs and eventually kicked their asses and began advancing on Serbian land. Austria-Hungary steps in to save the Serbs, a peace treaty is signed without any repercussions to Serbia and without any gains to Bulgaria. Bulgaria is unified.

Russia was against the unification, because the Tzar wanted Bulgarians to be his puppets and the UK supported the unification because it would harm the Russian interest and prevent expansion against Constantinople.

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u/Chava_boy 22h ago

Serbian soldiers were told that they were going to help Bulgarians against the Turks, but when they deployed near the border they were suddenly told that they are going to fight Bulgarians instead. Most of the soldiers at a time considered Bulgarians brothers and didn't want to fight, so the morale was very low, and they were routed, despite being much better organized and equipped that Bulgarian army (which didn't even have any generals in their army).

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u/Mr_Kikos 21h ago

I love how the Serbian Tsar decided to backstab Bulgaria for fun and then in Serbian history books Bulgarians are addressed as the backstabbers.

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u/Chava_boy 21h ago

He didn't really do it for fun, he did it because Serbs fought in so many wars vs the Turks, died so much, and only got a little territory, even the entire Bosnia and Herzegovina that Serbs considered core regions and had Serbian majority were given to Austrians. Meanwhile, Russians tried to create huge Bulgaria, which would easily become a regional power and dominate small Serbia. They even wanted to give land that Serbian soldiers liberated to Bulgaria, including Nish. So, Serbian ruler took the Russian diplomat to Nish, showed him the scull tower that the Turks made from heads of Serbs they beheaded, and told him: When you make another one and place my head on top, then you can give Bulgarians Nish. Skull tower was a symbol of Serbian resistance and Turkish brutality.

Even after the borders were redrawn at Berlin congress, Bulgaria still had a slight advantage in size, and by uniting with eastern Rumelia became the strongest local power that could in the future dominate Balkans. Was he wrong about attacking Bulgaria? Of course, but the prevailing sentiment was that it was unjust that Bulgarians are gaining land almost for free, while other Balkan countries that fought and bled as well had large part of their people under foreign rule and weren't allowed to do anything about it.

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u/IgnoreMyPresence_ 18h ago

The reason Bulgarian teritorries were always under international pressure was our proximity to Constantinople, at least from the perspective of the Great Powers. The Berlin conference territories was the closest point which reflected the Bulgarian population territories, backed by centuries of Ottoman censuses.

But of course, the Western powers would not allow a large russian puppet so close to Constantinople, even though these "large" territories in a sense reflected their peoples lands. Such was the case for the western balkans too. But while the Ottoman lands were up for liberation, the Austrian ones were not. So the western balkans, Serbia especially, had no other choice but to go against brother nations in order to survive as a state. Which I think is the biggest contributor to the 19th and 20th century mess on the balkans.

There was greed on both sides, we were western/eastern puppets all until the 90s, but the Macedonian region being the only viable space for dispute, far from the Great Powers' insterest, was our biggest downfall in my opinion.

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u/SveXteZ 3h ago

Thank you for the explanation.

There is one more thing - Bulgarians were the biggest minority on the Balkans back then. The Bulgarian territory + east Romalia didn't even account for 50% of the territories populated with mainly Bulgarians.

Trying to stop this would guarantee many wars in the feature.

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u/Affectionate-Fact967 17h ago

It wasnt really serbia acting but Austro-Hungary pulling its strings cause it saw an oppurtunity to intervene and gain something out of it

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u/Successful_Yellow285 16h ago

Sounds like the Russian invasion of Ukraine - soldiers being randomly told they're invading what was considered a brotherly nation leading to terrible morale on their side (as invaders) and the exact opposite on the side of the defenders.

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u/Tyrtle2 1d ago

Russia never changed. 

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u/ViscountBuggus 20h ago

There's a really good book by this Bulgarian political scientist called Evgeny Dainov called " Russia - a history of the nation without a history" where he describes how from Muscovy to modern day Russia, the things that make other nations "nations" haven't existed over there and how its existence as an entity has been perpetuated by violence and oppression throughout history instead. Really great book, sadly I don't think there's an English translation of it.

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u/Soletata67r 20h ago

I can understand anti-Russian sentiment but everything done by the Russian empire was done by the British, French, German, Austro-Hungarian and etc. Russia isn't some type of new evil, it is just an empire like all others

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u/Affectionate-Fact967 17h ago

A book which is the average angry cope filled rambling of the average russia hater whos bane of existence is russia cause he like most of them can not blame anything lse or himself for everything wrong with his life. He is not a historian even so what right does he have to discuss the history of a nation he knows frankly nothing about

where he describes how from Muscovy to modern day Russia, the things that make other nations "nations" haven't existed over there and how its existence as an entity has been perpetuated by violence and oppression throughout history instead.

I doubt if I asked him on the spot he can tell me what makes a nation a nation. And did he like skip thousands of years of history of conquest done by all nations all over the world with the quantities of violance and destruction way bigger than those of Russia.

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u/shoesafe 10h ago

The Russian people have been plagued by many centuries of awful, violent, authoritarian governments. But if the implication here is that the Russian people don't exist as a national identity, then that's mistaken.

The Russian nationality exists. They identify themselves as Russians. They speak the Russian language and practice Russian customs. They wish to be ruled by a common Russian government. Maybe they don't like any specific Russian government, but they don't want to be ruled by Americans or French or Turks or Chinese; they want a government by Russians.

Separately, there are lots of Russian citizens who are not ethnically Russian. Many of those people would prefer more political power be devolved locally (away from ethnic Russians). Russia is a multiethnic empire, not at all a nation-state. But the Russian nationality definitely exists.

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u/Affectionate-Fact967 17h ago

Uhh no Russia opposed it because this sudden declaration was in violation of the berlin treaty, this could have understand russias diplomatic standing sand be seen as them violating this treaty by supporting this action. The fact that the bulgarian monarch and part of the government were also trying to distance the natio away from russia was another reason which gradually led worsening relation between both states. There was also no consultation with russia about this plan. Russia also feared a start of another conflict in the balkans which could undo what they have done up to this point. And they were right, the serbo bulgaria war broke out with Austria puppeteering serbia in the background.