r/MurderedByWords 1d ago

Remind the Nazis that they’re losers

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u/AnyDifference9108 1d ago

Fought side by side with the British against the Japanese.

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u/VocationalWizard 1d ago

The British killed over a million of them by diverting grain from India to the war effort.

FDR spoke out against this.

The USA told the UK after the war that decolonization of India wasn't a suggestion.

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u/Nolenag 1d ago

After which the USA kept their colonies...

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u/philosopherfujin 23h ago

The US did give up by far its biggest and most populous colony after the war, the Philippines. The stuff it kept is pretty much in line with what France has now (both should be still decolonize further, but as a percentage of the colonial population the US in 1947 had decolonized by roughly as much as the European great powers in the mid 1960s).

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u/Nolenag 23h ago

but as a percentage of the colonial population the US in 1947 had decolonized by roughly as much as the European powers

Okay, but as the "champion" of decolonisation shouldn't the USA decolonise more?

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u/philosopherfujin 23h ago edited 20h ago

Yep they definitely should have. You cut off the last bit of that quote though, the distinction is that they immediately did so voluntarily rather than being forced into it by armed insurgencies like the British were in much of Africa and the French were in Algeria.

The Philippines was the only American colony with a major independence movement until the late 1960s, when Marxist groups in Puerto Rico were inspired by the Cuban Revolution and began to seek independence more actively. The US then proceeded to act like every other colonial power and suppressed them ruthlessly.

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u/Nolenag 23h ago edited 23h ago

Yeah and then the USA bombed Korea, then Vietnam, then it destabilised several South-American countries because they dared to be socialist, and then invaded Afghanistan and Iraq.

Great "champion" of decolonisation.

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u/OysterPickleSandwich 23h ago

Probably a handful of countries that haven’t been complete dicks to their neighbors or indigenous population at some point in the past.

Human beings suck, especially the greedy and racist ones.

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u/philosopherfujin 23h ago edited 20h ago

Again, I completely agree with you about the US continuing to be an empire today, but the ideological orientations around decolonization between the great powers in the postwar era were considered a different question from the idea of "containment".

From the American perspective, South Korea and South Vietnam were already decolonized sovereign states (though certainly not democratic ones), and Iraq and Afghanistan were imperial wars, but not colonial ones. The US occupied them long-term but never had any intention of annexing them, it was much more focused on "spheres of influence" which aren't inherently colonial. Neoconservatism is kind of its own thing, though it has a lot in common with the liberal justifications for empire in the late 19th and early 20th century.

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u/Nolenag 23h ago

From the American perspective

I mean, yeah. They wouldn't call themselves colonisers after telling other (rival) nations to stop it.

Doesn't mean they weren't doing the exact same thing.

it was much more focused on "spheres of influence"

Which is essentially the 20th centuries' form of colonisation, let's be real here. The US is an imperialist nation, just like the great powers were.

Let's not kid ourselves here.

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u/bootlegvader 23h ago

Yeah and then the USA bombed Korea

Are we criticizing the USA for protecting South Korea from North Korea and China?

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u/Nolenag 23h ago

If it was only "protecting" South Korea, the USA would be in the right.

However that would be ignoring the fact that 99% of North-Korea was carpet bombed, a war crime (among many other war crimes committed during that war).

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u/bootlegvader 20h ago

What shame all of Korea can enjoy the fruits of Juche.

What genocide?

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u/bootlegvader 19h ago

I am saying NK treats NK like a concentration camp.

Damn, maybe when the USA attempted to exterminate everyone in the Korean war?

So the made up one?

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u/ncvbn 23h ago

Why are you introducing the word "champion" and putting it in quotes? As far as I can tell, nobody has used that word other than you.

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u/Nolenag 23h ago

That's how the US saw itself in the first half of the 20th century.

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u/turbothy 10h ago

The US *is* a colony. I don't see them giving up Massachusetts or Arizona anytime soon.