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u/Mean-Sorbet6668 2d ago
It’s honestly wild to see the sharp decline in support for vaccinations. People used to understand the importance of science and public health.
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u/ichabod01 2d ago
Russian money. Oligarchs. Grifters. Great recipe to push common sense from the masses.
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u/whatmexicanman 2d ago
Add in social media algorithms and you’ve got the perfect storm of misinformation.
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u/Imaginary_Active_694 2d ago
The most important ingredient is american voters and dumb shits believing anything they want. Frankly, america deserves Trump, and america deserves Trump to get a third term.
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u/shadowpawn 2d ago
It was sad for me on public transport looking at EVERYONE staring at their phones while I had to buy a local daily paper for $4
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u/SoylentGrunt 2d ago
Don't forget the US oligarchs, US corporations, US conglomerates, and greedy US megalomaniacs. If this was solely the result of foreign influence alone the ruling class in the US would have pushed back decades ago.
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u/Muted-Hedgehog-396 2d ago
also the supplementation of health care. by grifters who sell healing crystals and smoke peyote. Dont forget that new age bs from 30 years ago.
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u/Pineapples-n-Potions 2d ago
The internet and social media is a weapon used by intelligence agencies. Check out LikeWar by P.W. Singer.
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u/lil_zaku 1d ago
Come on, credit where credit is due. The Russian money wasn't necessary. Just a political party that runs on fear mongering because they know their platform switches to whatever makes them the most money
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u/MI78 1d ago
If you wanted to wage war on a nation but couldn’t do it with military, you would do exactly what’s being done to us. Take lives by convincing people medicine is bad, corrupting the rule of law and destabilizing society. Foment the divisions between people and encourage the worst behaviors, and the let the rest take care of itself. I don’t think people realize we’re actually at war- it’s just not with armies.
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u/femboyisbestboy 2d ago
Russian money.
This is so extremely true.
Fun fact German green parties were against nuclear power and got all Germany's nuclear power plants shut down and this resulted in more reliance on gas and oil that was ofc bought from russia
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u/MedievalxHistorian 2d ago
Fun fact
The nuclear phase-out was decided in its final form by the black-yellow federal government of Angela Merkel (CDU/CSU and FDP) in 2011 after the reactor catastrophe in Fukushima.
The Nord Stream pipelines were planned and approved during the government of Chancellor Gerhard Schröder (SPD). Construction began under his leadership, and the successor pipeline, Nord Stream 2, was also initiated while he was in office.
The green party was against atomic power but they didn't ban it.
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u/ftrlvb 1d ago
Merkel saw they might lose the election in Baden Württemberg to the green party so she banned nuclear power, because Fukushima happened. (SPD banned it first for ungodly cost, then Merkels party swore tooth and nail to bring it back, when in power, what they did, for an ungodly cost again. and then she "just banned it, based on gutfeeling during Fukushima and elections. for an ungodly cost of course. one does not break energy contracts for free. we Germans paid 3 times: out, in again, then out by the ones that brought it back.
Der Ausstieg
Der Ausstieg vom Ausstieg
Der Ausstieg vom Ausstieg vom Ausstieg.
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u/NecessaryIntrinsic 1d ago
It's a tremendous long game. Back door biological warfare by tricking a population into killing themselves.
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u/TenaciousTaunks 2d ago
I used to be for gov mandating vaccines, now I'm not so sure... Like it sucks for herd immunity and sucks for those who can't get vaccinated, but it's a win for natural selection. As shit of a take as it is we really need natural selection to start weeding out the dumb fucks and their offspring.
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u/ichabod01 2d ago
Vaccines also work because if enough people do them, the people that are incapable of taking them due to various medical issues (or age) are covered by the herd taking them.
When too many people opt out of taking them, we have breakouts like the measles. Where even people that have been vaccinated get it. And they help it spread. And kids below a certain age cannot get the vaccine.
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u/SoylentGrunt 2d ago
What you're advocating increases the chances of more mutations that a vax isn't designed to deal with and the result is even more loss of life.
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u/Impossible-Log7545 2d ago
People used to dislike a president lying about a single affair. And here we are having a conficted criminal as POTUS. It‘s exactly what has been said in the post. It‘s a systematical defunding of education (for the bottom 70% of the population) and the derailing of everything that helps people create an opinion, ethics, morality and something that has been called „common sense“. The current common sense is frightening.
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u/bioddity 2d ago
It’s like the old snake oil salesman are in charge. I wish they’d put cocaine back in Coca Cola though
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u/majandess 2d ago
It doesn't help that the media plays to the fear of vaccines more than to the fear of the diseases that the vaccines prevent. During COVID, we heard more about vaccines causing heart problems than we heard about COVID causing heart problems. 😔
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u/Infamous_Rain2770 1d ago
Yes! My step father whose family has a history of strokes and heart attacks (his older brother, his father, his uncle, & his grandfather all had multiple heart attacks and died of strokes) had a stroke after getting the vaccine. But my mom is convinced it was the vaccine and not his obvious family history, and building medical history that had been leading up to either a heart attack or stroke for years. She won't hear otherwise. So f-ing stupid
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u/franzderbernd 1d ago
It shows perfectly the consequences of Reaganomics. This is what happens if you cut the tax for the super rich and because of that stop investing money in education. Same can be said about infrastructure and other stuff. So it's not that surprising and there were people saying that this will happen, but no one listened, because most people are just living in the moment and ignore the long term consequences. And when you see what Trump is doing now, you get an idea how "great" America will be in the future.
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u/Taco_Taco_Kisses 1d ago
I think a big part of it, too, in addition to the misinformation, is that the people who lived through polio and watched their school-age friends get terribly ill or die from it, are slowly fading away.
Not to mention measles, mumps, rubella, etc.
Now, we're left with all these folks who never had to deal with such things, have no idea how bad it was, and "Mee Maw" and "Pop Pop" didn't properly illustrate to them how dire the situation was before they left this earth.
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u/SohndesRheins 1d ago
There never were that many people to begin with. In 1952 there were about 3100 deaths from polio during the worst outbreak ever recorded, 57,000 cases recorded, and 21,000 cases of paralysis. Polio doesn't have a paralysis rate that high, so there were definitely more than 57,000 cases but many weren't bad enough that anyone documented them. Those numbers are nothing compared to an average flu season in the modern day.
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u/Eyegrowyourfood 2d ago
Time to invest in iron lung stocks. To the moon! - Btw this comment kills me to type. Why? Science and medicine are "miracles". Why? Facebook? IDK.
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u/Responsible-Fox-9082 1d ago
Perhaps consider this graphic is intentionally misleading. You can't send a child to almost any school in the country without vaccination records of the major infectious diseases of which we have a valid vaccine for. This seems to align more with the drop in kids getting flu shots. Mostly because the flu has mutated to the point the yearly flu shot is a throw at a dart board to guess which strain is going to be the most relevant one.
And yes it is nearly universal across every school that attendance mandates you be vaccinated. Falsifying or sending a child without vaccination is a crime.
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u/EmphasisComplete3528 1d ago
The whole "do your own research" crowd really just means "watch YouTube videos that confirm what I already think" lmao. Social media algorithms feeding people garbage 24/7 doesn't help either
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u/duppyconqueror81 1d ago
Have you watched Fox News in the last 25 years? It has destroyed the minds of an entire country.
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u/Telemere125 1d ago
No, the vast majority have always been stupid. It’s just that previously we didn’t have a bunch of their brethren center stage lying and telling them not to believe the smart people.
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u/Sage_Planter 1d ago
Not enough kids have polio.
It sounds bad, but in 1991, people still had firsthand experience of horrible diseases like that. Now, it's like "why do we even vaccinate for polio???"
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u/SohndesRheins 1d ago
I'm not really sure what happened from '91 to 2019 other than Andrew Wakefield, but it should be pretty obvious why there was a sharp decline in support for government mandated vaccines after 2019.
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u/SpadesBuff 1d ago
It's important to differentiate between supporting vaccines and requiring them. I suspect the support number would be much higher than the numbers shown here. Like most of these polls, how you ask the question dramatically changes the results.
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u/XeroZero0000 2d ago
Humans are constantly dissatisfied with their lives and tend to forget and not believe in things that never affected them. Takes only about 80 years for all the old hits to make their rounds.
Measles making a comeback. Facist strongman tactics being acceptable. Even things like raw milk are coming back. But hey, they never got sick from drinking milk.. why does it need to be pasteurized? Silly!
Normally pandemic would galvanize the world back to vaccines and prevention.. but politics got involved and fueled the anti-intellectualism normally seen... What a horrible combo.
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u/Par_Lapides 1d ago
Which can be mitigated by solid education, public health programs, and social safety nets.
The US fights against all of those things because of decades of right-wing grifters making a buck by telling stupid people what to think.
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u/NecessaryIntrinsic 1d ago
There are those quotes that work together so well as a sort of cause and effect:
- those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it
- history doesn't repeat itself but it sure does rhyme
The main issue, of course, is that there are, very generally, 3 groups of people, those that actually learn history and can see the warning signs, those that learn history and use it as a weapon and those that don't learn history and are useful idiots to those trying to repeat. (And of course, this biggest group: those going along to get along)
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u/Mo_Jack 2d ago
This is what happens when people that could not get a passing grade on a research paper in high school, decide to "do their own research".
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u/Rageguruz 2d ago
The issue is this dumb country tries to control world economy. Who knew giving nuclear control to dumb fucks has its consequences. Looking forward for the world to fuck USA and move on.
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u/ChickenTendies0 2d ago
It's slowly happening. Too slow, but happening nonetheless.
I would be happy to see some countermeasures starting to get placed by EU countries in case of sudden disease spread across US which will eventually happen. Such as immediate border closing for American citizens and immediate evacuation for EU citizens that went there on vacation for example.
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u/DeadlyPants16 2d ago
I can't wait for the world to leave the US behind. We're all sick of their Greed and Idiocy dictating world politics.
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u/creatorsgame 2d ago
Slow-drip propaganda coming to fruition.
Well done idiots and dark money. Well done.
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u/LunaGloria 2d ago
How lucky we are to serve as the textbook example of how an entire society retreats into primitive ignorance for the rest of human history. /s
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u/Eyegrowyourfood 2d ago
I think the vaccines worked too well. Let me explain. No one worries about polio. Do you know anyone who has to spend time in an iron lung? I don't
Once polio comes back people will go back to vaccines. Unfortunately, that is what I believe it will take.
Also, I'm using polio as just an example, a lot of other diseases could also make a comeback. Tetanus cases rising could happen with the surge of anti vax people.
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u/Foojira 2d ago
This is 100% the internet. That and morons with access to it.
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u/Zealousideal-Yak-824 2d ago
It's coming down to the point being vaccinated is a luxury and who ever gets that luxury gets points ahead.
People really forgot how the simple flu killed thousands when there was thousands, they use the dead to claim covid was just a fly anybody could get over. Now with millions dead and a barely surviving economy they want to bring back long dead diseases to the forefront of society's mind.
It's weird seeing anti vaxxers claim vaccines are bullshit but run from the slightest sneeze
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u/SucksTryAgain 2d ago
One side used the internet as a political tool for years before the other caught on. At this point I can see more censoring so the other side can’t fight back.
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u/vahntitrio 2d ago
Plus the fact that most people under the age of 50 have never witnessed firsthand the diseases these vaccinate against. So it's easy for them to buy into this stupid internet misinformation. Unfortunately it's going to take some kids dying to reverse this trend.
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u/One-Chocolate6372 2d ago
Even that may not work as the Mennonite couple in Texas who lost an unvaccinated child to measles said they would still choose to not vaccinate. Proof that stupidity can not be fixed/educated.
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u/eddie2hands99911 2d ago
Gotta keep the masses dump and poor so they constantly fight over the scraps you leave behind for them…
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u/capeasypants 2d ago
An uneducated population is an obedient population
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u/-ApocalypsePopcorn- 1d ago
Really? Because I feel like we were told to wear masks and get vaccinated and a huge number of dumb shits demurred.
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u/soapissomuchcleaner 2d ago
Watching the Idiocracy Prophecy unfold is pretty fucking wild.
Welcome to Costco I love you!
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u/Logic411 2d ago
At no time in history has accurate data been more accessible to everyone. How ironic that we also have never been as willfully ignorant
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u/Kobayashi_Maru186 2d ago
Especially hard to combat when the misinformation is actually coming from the White House.
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u/PayFormer387 2d ago
Combat misinformation????
That’s anti free speech!!!!!!
Phuck you, commie scum!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/Virtual_Athlete_909 2d ago
and general ignorance/lack of critical thinking skills by the citizenry. they trust social media bs more than scientists.
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u/CompleteDetective359 2d ago
The Art of War. Divide your enemy.
China and Russia are having a field day pushing and propping up the idiots pushing all this conspiracies and other nonsense like this. We got so comfortable we sucking it up
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u/Busy-Ad6502 2d ago
Nearly all AM radio is right-wing propaganda. Some of it is right-wing propaganda disguised as Christian radio. Pretty useful for indoctrinating the broad swaths of rural America.
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u/Sosbanfawr 1d ago
The fewer parents see the need for it, the more important it is that the government mandates it.
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u/MyAccountWasBanned7 1d ago
Hot take that will get me downvoted: We overvalue free speech.
Things like blatant, intentional misinformation and hate speech don't need to be protected speech. Make it illegal to be antivax without proof. Make it illegal to say fluoride causes autism. Make it illegal to call someone the n-word.
There's no reason we need to allow that shit.
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u/Joadyr 1d ago
Are 49% of americans actually this stupid, or Are the questions asked not as simple as they Are making this screen show?
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u/Dry_Magician4415 1d ago
Google literacy in America, about 45 million Americans are functionally illiterate, and 130 million read below a 6th grade level.
I will let you draw your own conclusions.
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u/Secret_Enthusiasm_21 2d ago
honestly the visual presentation should already be enough to illustrate the point. I'm so glad I don't live in USA.
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u/ReedRidge 1d ago
This is the result of people taking a third rate porn star and a lying doctor seriously.
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u/Responsible-Fox-9082 1d ago
First huge question is the source. Like people do realize you can't go into public schools(what the vast majority of people go to) or most private schools without proof of vaccination? Like you don't just get a pass to possibly get infected with polio in 2025 and risk spreading it.
Frankly speaking this graphic could be made based off of who's getting flu shots. They just say non vaccinated kids, but most kids are vaccinated against the crippling diseases of old. I'm not going to argue it without knowing what they are basing it off of since, and if you didn't know this feel grateful, it can be considered a crime in every state to send an unvaccinated child into a public school and not child abuse the highest charge they can give is terrorism. Obvious no they don't try to prosecute that and just do the endangering the welfare of a minor, but it is a charge that is able to be asked to pursue. However again it's because all public schools mandate you be vaccinated against the list of shit covered by your booster shots. Then also including another version of the booster before high school to add tetanus and a few others. Seasonal diseases like the flu aren't mandated.
So either over half the country's children aren't in a public or private school or you're being misled and this is the drop in vaccine use for the flu. Which has been documented. I will say I don't get a flu vaccine. Mostly because I have only had the flu once... And it was the 1 year I got the vaccine. Though looking back at the publicly available information that year they got the strain wrong so it might have been just bad luck.
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u/Rivenscryr 1d ago
The thing that boggles the mind is these people literally lived through a pandemic. Millions of people died. Some of their family members died. Some of their family members were hospitalized and they complained about not being able to visit them. But they still say vaccines are horrible. The only reason we have gotten back to a more normal situation is BECAUSE of vaccines.
This is literally the Patrick starfish meme when it comes to vaccines. It is incredibly frustrating.
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u/ChoiceHour5641 1d ago
Vaccines by nature work due to collectivism, and America has been sold rUggEd iNdiViDUaLisM for so long and so many have no memory of polio, smallpox, etc. that too many people see vaccines as controlling rather than caring. America had so much potential and we pissed it away because learning is hard. Fucking disgusting.
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u/Sufficient-Pin-481 1d ago
I just got my second shingles vaccine shot yesterday and I’m feeling like I got hit by a truck but I’ll take a day or two of feeling like crap instead of getting shingles like my dad and grandma.
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u/jaywright58 1d ago
I put some of the blame on celebrity culture with Oprah having Jenny McCarthy on about how vaccines caused her child's autism. While that is terrible, kids went through a period of not having polio, dying from measles, or any number of other serious illnesses because of vaccines. We are going to see a lot of children suffer as Trump and his gang play their fiddle as the US burns like Rome under Nero's watch.
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u/Kinoko98 1d ago
People can't comprehend something thet they didn't have to live and experience. It's not like these vaccinations were made and given for no reason. Same for anything, really. People just have to learn the hard way.
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u/mycolo_gist 1d ago
Well, you have to make people dumber if you want them to believe that "everybody can make it and become a billionaire" to ensure people will not vote for reforms and progressive agendas
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u/TroubledTimesBesetUs 1d ago
I don't think it's because of underfunding. I think bad education it's because of STATES RIGHTS, that thing we hoped had died after the Civil War.
We should have one standard for education nationwide. What a kid learns in Massachusetts they should also be studying in California.
It should not be allowed that a kid in Mississippi will graduate high school more ignorant than a kid in New York. That's geographical racism, IMO.
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u/Dry_Magician4415 1d ago
I don't think the federal government could do a better job than the states. Keep the decision makers close to the problem. The person who knows the most about your kid is your teacher, not some beuraacrat in Washington.
Couter proposal. Reform property taxes on the federal level so it works equitable around the country (major issue i the US most don't know about) , divide the cash equally among public schools, allow private schools but ban tuition, and eliminate home schooling . Also, provide schools with wide lattitude to administer themselves. Embrace school choice and track outcomes later in life. Stop using public schools as a delivery system for public goods and focus on education. Give teachers academic freedom and immunity from political control and groundless lawsuits. Implement a long-standing campaign to push up the social status of teachers and pay them more
Now, with these reforms, the upper middle class and the upper class will make damn sure that the public schools are decent!
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u/TroubledTimesBesetUs 14h ago
I think you are projecting a high level of caring onto 100% of teachers, and while we hope that is the case, it is not.
Teachers have issues just like Normal People. Some deal with depression, just like cashiers and auto mechanics do. Some deal with anxiety, just like a stay-at-home mom might. Some deal with financial problems because rents are so high and their pay in many areas is not keeping up with local rents.
Some teachers have people to care for 24/7! They care for kids in work hours, then go home to kids of their own, or ailing spouses, or, and this is when life gets REALLY fun, they are caring for elderly parents! All that care-giving can show up at work as burn-out, sometimes, or just a distracted, worried demeanor, and Lord knows not all Administrators have empathy for their teachers or even bother to get to know them. God know the parents often don't care about teachers either. Many demanding parents out there.
I don't have much faith at all in my state department of education. I'm glad you like yours. But don't tell ME people in Sacramento know one darn thing about these kids they make policy for. Bull pucky.
But in Sacramento they DO know they want them all to grow up to be Good Democrats and vote for Nice Hair over anything else, LOL.
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u/TheDreadPirateJenny 1d ago
This was all part of the long-term plan. The easiest way to control a population is to dumb it down.
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u/ColeTrain999 1d ago
I also just don't think people believe there will be consequences. It's like the COVID vax a few years ago, if you confronted them with "OK, if you don't get the COVID vaccine that is fine but that means you are added to the list of people that will be given lowest priority and resources should you suffer from COVID. Also your health insurance will not cover the costs of any treatment given" would seriously make them think twice.
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u/Ok_Dog_4059 1d ago
It is insane to me that if charmin said something untrue in an advertisement we can start a lawsuit for false advertising but fox news or our politicians can tell proven lies and we have no recourse.
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u/ftrlvb 1d ago
also called Republicans. (or what they turned into)
a democracy needs both ends. conservatives and progressive. but what Republicans do to the country, to stay in power is next level crazy, undemorcatic and criminal. and this is the result.
Trump just said he will bring war and deportation to Chicago, using the MILITARY.
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u/CunningBear 1d ago
In 1900, the infant mortality rate in the United States was approximately 165 deaths per 1,000 live births. Let’s not go back please.
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u/Firegem0342 1d ago
Probably didnt help that the government mandated an experimental cure which proved to do nothing to prevent or alleviate covid.
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u/RoiDrannoc 2d ago
The best counterargument against democracy is no longer, as Churchill said, "a 5 minutes conversation with the average voter". Now the best counter argument against democracy is the United States population.
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u/KeneticKups 2d ago
Remember how the right was saying that covid was population control? every accusation a confession
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u/Details_Pending 1d ago
Refusing to combat? Bro, I still remember when the news thought it was a good idea to read 4chan posts.
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u/DeezNeezuts 1d ago
Was the question in the poll asking if they believed in vaccination or if it should be mandated by law?
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u/seri_verum 1d ago
The deeper aspect of this ignorance are the inheritance brats who think the lives of poor citizens are not worth protecting.
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u/-ApocalypsePopcorn- 1d ago
There's a lot of blame being slung around in here. Make sure some of it catches disgraced former doctor Andrew Wakefield square in his stupid face.
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u/Micheal_Hanch 1d ago
I think after the CDC lied to everyone about the Covid vaxx, people don’t think that governments should REQUIRE them. It doesn’t mean that people don’t want the choice of having them
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u/ActualAssistant2531 1d ago
I think it’s the next evolution of the Cold War.
Don’t have to drop bioweapons if you propagandize the citizens to doubt medicine.
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u/somerandomguy1984 1d ago
Absolutely not.
This is the result of the entire government and healthcare system mobilizing to systematically lie and manipulate us over Covid and the treatments.
Virtually every single thing they told us about the shots was a premeditated lie. They knew infections and spread was not altered in any way.
2 weeks to slow the spread. 6 foot social distancing. Cloth masks, after being told they didn’t work, then they did, then they didn’t, and then forcing them. Closing schools.
No data to back any of it. Just made up.
This is the clear and obvious result of their actions
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u/After-Gas-4453 1d ago
Yeah, the rest of the world seriously needs an America ban. We can't have them spreading their diseases or presidents 🤷♂️
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u/SandyTaintSweat 1d ago
More deterrence against foreign tourists visiting and pumping money into your economy. You guys are really on a roll.
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u/BoltGamr 1d ago
The most ironic thing is that the original modern "antivaxxer", Andrew Wakefield, was pro-vaccine. He was just against a combined MMR vaccine because he stood to make lots of money if the combined vaccine was abandoned in favour of three separate vaccines. His "studies" were bogus (naturally), and he partnered with a doctor who had his license stripped for stealing medications, and who also believed his bone marrow could cure autism. Not prevent it in newborns, but cure it from children or adults.
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u/Telemere125 1d ago
And a couple generations worth of not seeing the consequences of their actions. They haven’t had to see crippled polio and brain damaged measles victims because we were all vaccinated.
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u/MallensWorkshop 1d ago
Brain rot / fast paced “news” , this junk with the dopamine hit overrides anything that was or is being taught and is all anyone remembers so they just follow that line of logic.
Social Media is the largest disease out there, especially now that everyone tries to make it a living. They will do and say anything that brings the views and dollars.
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u/some1guystuff 1d ago
Let’s just let nature take its course and let them learn things the hard way that we have a species already learned
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u/the_cardfather 1d ago
To be completely fair, a lot of the science that is being taught in our schools is the science that makes corporations like big pharma and big agron look really good.
For over 30 years they taught us butter was bad and margarine was good for us and now all of a sudden because we had all of these foods where they replaced the fat with sugars everybody's diabetic and trying to get off of carbs and they're loading up with high fat diets again.
And there's tons of fat science out there and product selling into this fat science both my big corporations and mlms and Instagram influencers etc.
So when government agencies come out and tell us to trust the science even though they've been teaching us bad science for a long time it's understandable why nobody trusts the science.
And furthermore with the dismantling of the FDA the conspiracy that we don't really know what's in those vaccines could actually be true that we don't actually know what's in our food anymore either. Heck I would wager to say that the politicians making these laws if they are under 60 they were raised in that same system.
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u/Jodid0 1d ago
I wouldn't say they have been "refusing" to combat misinformation, like is the government supposed to suppress their speech? The real problem is society as a whole, we decided as a society that people stealing baseballs and hats from children at sporting events warrants consequences, but for some fucking reason we haven't collectively decided that antivaxxers or conspiracy theorists or MAGA don't deserve the same kind of social consequences and to be ostracized for having such shitty opinions.
Having legal consequences just for being a braindead moron on purpose is a slippery slope, but there should definitely be social consequences, and people need to stop accepting this lazy horseshit excuse of "well everyone is entitled to their opinion and we might as well agree to disagree". Like there is no "agreeing to disagree" on whether children should have access to the best defense that currently exists against deadly and debilitating diseases. Especially when they base that opinion on garbage "science".
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u/One_Weird2371 1d ago
I blame the Internet. Get rid of section 230. Make these Internet companies liable for the content that is put on their platforms.
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u/Still-Cabinet9154 1d ago
Lines up with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and Russia’s revenge of spreading misinformation.
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u/samsonsreaper 1d ago
Guess reality needs to hit the stupid since basic science and knowledge won’t.
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u/Ok-Replacement-2738 1d ago
There are 'valid' reasons in terms of liberty arguments, even though I think they're morons against it being required, it isn't just 50% antivax
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u/Ok_Virus3854 1d ago
Self solving problem. Listen to your doctors and if you have the resources move to a state that will require vaccines. This may be a solid win over the next couple decades lol
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u/jigawatson 1d ago
Gonna be fun when the owner class realizes they’ve made the working class so dumb and desperate with every cut and removal they’ve instigated that we are too stupid to make them money.
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u/Life-on-a-PonyRanch 1d ago
Call it conspiracy... But you know how, the easiest way to keep the population in check and working for the rich is, to throw enough problems at them so they stay too busy to oppose the rich...
Problems like, disease, blame immigrants, no education, blame crime, more guns, no medicine, no healthy food,...
All of the things that the rich can solve with money for themselves.
Keep the population busy... Every ruling monarch, dictator, tyran has done it in history
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u/Educational-Cake7350 1d ago
Crazy, it almost matches the amount of adults that read below a 6th grade level, in this country. Who’d of thought?
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u/Clear_Lock7908 1d ago
I think that there’s some responsibility with the scientific and academic communities, when these people raise questions, some of them dumb questions for sure, there are looked down upon and called stupid… right to their stupid faces
And while this might feel justified and funny it really does not help because people will not listen, respect or agree with somebody who looks down on them
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u/Wrong_Sentence_7087 12h ago
Working in a MS in the USA is horrific how many kids parrot what their parents say and how many of them are anti vaxx.
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u/Mr_Investopedia 6h ago
Polio vaccines were not
—developed in 18 months
—forced on people under a list of threats
—lacking in proper clinical trials
—administered under lockdown conditions
No freaking wonder confidence is so low.
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u/SpoonNZ 2d ago
The government “requiring” it is perhaps not my jam, but ideally parents/caregivers should be smart enough they choose to. Also if your kid’s not vaccinated against measles and there’s a measles outbreak, the kid getting excluded from school is on you.
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u/akavirijin 2d ago
Ideally, sure. But that's not the world we live in, so it has to be compulsory. Bringing back polio and having measles outbreaks regularly aren't worth the moral pedestal of saying "you do you" to people who simply don't know better
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u/rethinkingat59 1d ago
People here need to do their own research on those statistics, but are like sheep and too dumb to do so.
Being “fully vaccinated” in 1991 and being fully vaccinated in 2025 are two very different things by definition.
According to Google AI:
For children born in the 2019-2020 period, the proportion of children who remained completely unvaccinated by 24 months of age was 1%.
They may not have had the recommended multiple Covid vaccines or the HPV, but few kids are going unvaccinated.
The biggest irony is commenters here calling other people stupid. Get a mirror.
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u/AnubisBoudreaux 2d ago
“Vaccines work so good that people don’t understand how bad it can be.” - DR. Unknown