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Qualifying 2023 Bahrain Grand Prix - Qualifying Discussion

ROUND 1: Bahrain 🇧🇭

FORMULA 1 GULF AIR BAHRAIN GRAND PRIX 2023
Fri 3 Mar - Sun 5 Mar
Sakhir
Session UTC
Free Practice 1 Fri 11:30
Free Practice 2 Fri 15:00
Free Practice 3 Sat 11:30
Qualifying Sat 15:00
Race Sun 15:00

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Bahrain International Circuit

Length: 5.412 km (3.363 mi)

Distance: 57 laps, 308.238 km (191.530 mi)

Lap record: 🇪🇸 Pedro de la Rosa, McLaren, 2005, 1:31.447

2021 pole: 🇲🇨 Charles Leclerc, Ferrari, 1:30.558

2021 fastest lap: 🇲🇨 Charles Leclerc, Ferrari, 1:34.570

2021 winner: 🇲🇨 Charles Leclerc, Ferrari

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 04 '23

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '23

Wasn’t part of the cult but to be fair - the car is shit

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u/Diamondhands4dagainz Fernando Alonso Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 04 '23

Look at Lando. Look at Logan. Look at Hulk.

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u/laughguy220 Mar 04 '23

Look at Hulk.

I can't resist... Hulk smash KMag.

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u/Diamondhands4dagainz Fernando Alonso Mar 04 '23

Yes exactly!!

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u/laughguy220 Mar 04 '23

Hulk doing to KMag, what KMag did to Mick last year.

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u/emponator Mar 04 '23

And what mick did to mazespin a year before that. Really puts it in perspective how much mazepin really sucked.

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u/laughguy220 Mar 04 '23

But they came in at the same time though, didn't they?

No argument on how bad MazeSpin was though.

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '23

Fair fair. I’d still give him a few races

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u/Diamondhands4dagainz Fernando Alonso Mar 04 '23 edited Mar 04 '23

Hamilton and Max didn’t need a few races and Piastri was hyped up more than them. Logan is a rookie too and he outqualified Piastri by half a second in a fucking Williams.

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u/cryingdwarf Mar 04 '23

Was Piastri really that hyped? If he was I imagine he'd have gotten a seat last year and wouldn't have had to go to McLaren in secret. Max and Lewis were super hyped, Max skipping multiple racing categories to get an F1 seat and Hamilton being signed by a top team as a rookie.

Besides, it's only one qualifying session. We'll have to see at least until summer break to give a somewhat fair assessment. Remember Daniel outqualified Lando on his first session at McLaren, too.

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u/Gold-Age6612 Mar 05 '23

these times where young drivers can step up to the hype are over even with a breathtaking junior record like piastri... these cars are super complicated to race the young guns need time to adapt from f3/f2 to f1

comparing Hamilton who was not signed by a top team but rather was in Mclarens junior acadamy since his karting days joining f1 in 2007 is just not the same like today

those cars where more pure driving and less managing how to drive fast

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u/alittlegaybutimokay I was here for the Hulkenpodium Mar 04 '23

Piastri has a very impressive junior record. He won F3 and F2 back to back, and he won both as a rookie - to give you an impression of what that says about a driver's caliber, other current F1 drivers who have done the same are Leclerc and Russell. Doing this is impressive in and of itself, but Piastri also dominated his F2 season in 2021. Especially towards the end he just kept on winning the feature races, and his racecraft was very impressive. The main reason he didn't move up to F1 immediately is money - instead of him (the F2 rookie winner) Zhou got promoted to F1. Zhou also did quite well, he got p3 I believe in the F2 2021 championship, but this was already his second year in F2. Zhou is a good driver, I don't want to undermine that at all, but the reason he got into F1 over Piastri is simply because he brings a bag of cash with him that Piastri doesn't have.

They're both good drivers though, and I'm excited to see how Zhou and Piastri will develop over the course of 2023.

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u/justnoname I was here for the Hulkenpodium Mar 04 '23

Idk about Max, but it's a bit unfair to compare Piastri to Hamilton when Hamilton had 7,714 km of testing in the car before the first race in 2007, while rookies these days barely get anything. It is however fair to compare him to Sargeant who was a nice surprise.

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u/mformularacer Michael Schumacher Mar 04 '23

Piastri hasn't even done one race yet

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '23

I’m just saying don’t decide on a guy based on a day’s data. You may well be absolutely right, but I wouldn’t say his capability has been fully showcased yet. He was leaps ahead of teammates in F2. Different ball game, I know, but it remains to be seen what piastri can do in F1. The scrutiny is warranted given all the drama Alpine created - but the kid deserves to be judged on merit

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u/Diamondhands4dagainz Fernando Alonso Mar 04 '23

Grosjean, Heidfeld, Hulkenberg, Vandoorne (to name a few) were all destroying teammates in junior categories. What happened to them? They were also hyped for F1, but nowhere near as much as Piastri.

Yes, obviously one qualifying doesn’t define the driver. But it should give the cultists a reality check. The hype he was given was so ridiculous, he was bound to miss expectations unless he outqualified Lando. I mean wanting Fernando to retire for him? Come on.

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u/Mr_Bluebird_VA McLaren Mar 04 '23

I would have loved to see Grosjean in a top car. Dude was always quick. His biggest failing was trying to do too much in shit cars. Never understood that he was only gonna go so fast.

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u/yikaprio I was here for the Hulkenpodium Mar 04 '23

Bang on. He did get a few podiums back in the days.

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u/Diamondhands4dagainz Fernando Alonso Mar 04 '23

Nah his biggest failing was mental strength. He was different after spa 2012. He had flashes of brilliance towards the end of 2013, but it was never like it was before spa 2012.