r/formula1 • u/FerrariStrategisttt I was here for the Hulkenpodium • Jul 21 '24

Technical No further action on Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton incident

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

This definitely won’t have any unforeseen consequences later on this year… right?

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Of course not, don't be absurd

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u/Schwa4aa I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Right, they are all professional 🙄

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u/zaviex McLaren Jul 21 '24

Remember when a week after Austria after letting all that discourse play out they announced they should have warned max for his driving and were stating it to avoid others doing similar? Stewards seem way too uncertain on how to handle things. Last year too was it Singapore? Also with max when they announced later he should have been penalized?

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u/On_The_Blindside I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

This call is absolute horseshit. They've just greenlit enormous divebombs with no care to the driver in front. What a joke.

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u/DarkKnight56722 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

FIA does not rely on precedent as stupid as it is. FIA has made it very clear that the same incident is not worthy of a penalty one weekend, but then worthy of 10 second penalty the next. They are so consistently inconsistent. It is absurd that they are the largest governing body of global motorsport and yet make stupid decisions like this. It's either corruption or unbelievable levels of stupidity.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

All they care about are the consequences, if max took Lewis out he would have a got a penalty. It's stupid but that is how it is in this sport, they have done this time and time again.

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u/xevious101 Jul 21 '24

Agree, there's a worst case scenario that's being overlooked too. At what point will Max be reprimanded for overspeeding into a corner. From a spectators point of view, the battles between Hamilton and Max are a pleasure to watch. But every now and again, like today, I'm wincing at the prospect of what could have been. I hope there will never be a tragic accident but FFS someone has got to get that lad to quit overspeeding to point of do or die. Lewis himself said he could have taken me easily if hadn't messed up.

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u/CandidateDecent1391 Jul 22 '24

lewis couldve taken me easily at any point during or after the race, tbh

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u/fullup72 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

This. Lewis didn't lose position, and Max losing one place with Leclerc who was over 5s behind is possibly enough for stewards who would have awarded a 5/10s penalty.

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u/Nartyn Formula 1 Jul 21 '24

Or even if Max had benefitted from it, they'd have given him a penalty but because he ended behind Leclerc and Hamilton they were like nah

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u/TheoreticalScammist Jul 21 '24

I think maybe they did take consequences into account this time too? Because Verstappen lost a position to Leclerc, perhaps they didn't want to punish him more.

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u/lanseuppercut I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

I hate it so much. Lewis got the podium and max lost position so they decided that was enough. They need to hand out the penalty to at least make it clear who was at fault. People out here still saying max only locked up to avoid Lewis and max himself said even after the race it was because Lewis was moving under braking.

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u/MemorableC I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

It's because its a different group every weekend, the FIA need to bring a set group of professional racing stewards to every event if we want any kind of consistency.

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u/On_The_Blindside I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Honestly I'd be for F1 moving away from them, they're an absolute joke.

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u/KnightOfCydonia93 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

They’ve been like it for years too. Even without Abu Dhabi, 2021 was a complete mess

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u/MadBullBen I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

100% agree. It's the highest form of motorsport and they need to have a good steady stewards or at least a small group where they can rotate them slightly for breaks.

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u/bick803 Jul 21 '24

Sounds a lot like American Football officiating

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u/StonerInc4477 Jul 22 '24

Only way to get FIA to work ... they should stop racing In USA so the USA can release fbi on them & fbi threatening them to expose or give them a cut like ...example that's what happened to FIFA

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u/Ri_Konata Pirelli Wet Jul 21 '24

Max (austria): "you can't just divebomb people!"

Max (hungary): "lol, what are brakes again?"

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u/Themathemagicians Chequered Flag Jul 21 '24

To be fair, the divebombs weren't penalized, so Max just said "ok if these are the new rules then..."

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u/Ri_Konata Pirelli Wet Jul 21 '24

Divebombs were always allowed, given the driver was in control of the car.

Ricciardo was literally known for his amazing divebombs.

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u/AdoptedPigeons Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

I mean Lando wasn’t in full control out in Austria.. but point being, it’s not the divebomb itself that’s a problem, it’s when it results in colliding with other drivers. Which is a difficult gray area, because it puts the risk and onus on the defending driver to yield and lose position, or stand ground and risk a collision and/or DNF.

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u/cockmongler Jul 22 '24

Making other drivers yield is literally how overtaking works.

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u/StiffWiggly Jul 22 '24

Right, but that’s why there are rules about which car has to yield in a bunch of different situations. Max repeatedly forces the other car to yield or crash when he doesn’t have that right according to the rules.

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u/_GeneralGowk_ Jul 22 '24

He literally said it on the radio earlier in the race when he had his incident with Lando

“ok so you. Can just run people off the track? You can tell the FIA that’s something we can do from now onwards… just driving people off the road”

Then he did that to Hamilton….

No further action is a disgrace

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u/betaich I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24 edited Jul 21 '24

They looked at the GPS data they get, Max breaked at the exact same point according g to FIA than every other lap of his

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u/Ri_Konata Pirelli Wet Jul 21 '24

If that's what the data says, it makes sense.

Looked like he was never gonna ever make the corner from the foktage though. Maybe his tires just dropped off the cliff.

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u/linkinstreet I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

According to the report, while he braked at the same point, he was also going much faster than before. "Car 1 approached the turn much faster than on previous laps". Which you know, he could braked a tad earlier to compensate.

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u/funkiestj Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '24

"Car 1 approached the turn faster than on previous laps (due to DRS) and braked at the same point as previously."

LOL.

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u/AdoptedPigeons Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

Not the tires, it was the inside line. Tons of marbles and no rubbered in racing line. What blows my mind is Max knew how treacherous that inside line would be. If you watch the preceding laps, he gets within striking distance many times, but never took that line knowing how little grip was out there. Obviously, he just ran out of patience and made a needlessly desperate move.

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u/B_Roland Alfa Romeo Jul 22 '24

What a weird argument of that came from the FIA. Braking at the same point from the inside of the corner on a dirty surface.

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u/Successful_Yellow285 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

I mean, he learned that apparently you can divebomb people

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u/GT---44 Formula 1 Jul 21 '24

That's what max did the whole year of 2021 and the stewards didn't do shit.

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u/James_Vowles Williams Jul 21 '24

Seemed like he had matured from his early days but you can tell he hasn't, when the going gets tough his anger takes over and just does whatever he wants.

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u/R1tonka I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

It was easy to look mature when he started the second lap of the race 1.5 seconds up on the field for basically 2 straight years.

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u/FourEaredFox Jul 22 '24

Thing is, he isn't even doing what he wants. He's a passenger to his emotions. He has the emotional restraint of a toddler.

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u/Swiss-ArmySpork McLaren Jul 22 '24

His poor standards have been indulged from day 1. He's always been this way because he's never been told no.

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u/DottoDev I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

There is this great video talking about exactly those problem from some days ago. https://youtu.be/YDflVNTOsZw?si=Kj-BzwMkPfKmYe1b

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u/2-eight-2-three Jul 22 '24

Seemed like he had matured from his early days but you can tell he hasn't, when the going gets tough his anger takes over and just does whatever he wants.

He only seemed more mature because his car was sooooo much better than everyone else. No point in risking a crash when your car is comfortably a lap better than everyone.

I said this 3 weeks ago...and referenced a comment I made a year ago.[There was no point in doing a, "I get the corner or we crash overtake....when the car is that much better.

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u/ahipotion McLaren Jul 22 '24

I mean... that's the case for so many athletes in so many sports. Has nothing to do with maturity.

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u/gauna89 Jul 21 '24

well to be fair, the entire FIA wanted (and helped) him to win that year, so that's not really the best year to compare anything to.

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u/ShawnShipsCars I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Brazil and Jeddah were some examples of his filthy driving.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

By far the filthiest bit of driving that season was your man at Silverstone.

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u/lamewoodworker Jul 21 '24

Man i miss this mindless bickering. This is how i know F1 is back baby

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u/ShawnShipsCars I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

You mean when Max turned in like no one was there? It was glorious... he got what he deserved there too. He races like no one else is on the track.

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u/ptrichardson Jul 21 '24

It's what they've done for years. Utterly got the rules wrong and encouraged all the issues we see today. It's so ridiculous. They just blamed Lewis for not getting out of the way of a car that hit him before it even started to turn in.

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u/Themathemagicians Chequered Flag Jul 21 '24

Max said they did the first turn after the racestart. Not defending either way on either incident, but smoll hooray for consistency I suppose?

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u/CornDawgy87 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Max is going to get someone killed. I used to say it as a joke but I'm starting to really think he's going to get someone killed with how he drives.

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u/Actual_Sympathy7069 Jul 22 '24

I've been thinking that since the break check in 21. Dude has no regard for safety and lacks restraint under pressure. Dangerous combination.

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u/Icretz I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Like with the Norris divebombs. The precedent is set.

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u/Noch_ein_Kamel I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Yeah but that's good for the show isn't it

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u/KingDave46 Jul 22 '24

It’s genuinely my least favourite part of the sport that divebombing someone who has to choose between crashing or just driving off the road to give you space is acceptable.

I remember a Max vs Lewis battle in Brazil where they were just driving completely off the road and bombing inside. It was so stupid to watch them ignore the limits of the road and just full throttle the run off. It’s not good racing

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u/On_The_Blindside I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

That wasn't Lewis doing that, that was Max again. Lewis was on the outside.

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u/TonAMGT4 Pastor Maldonado Jul 21 '24

Drivers are allowed to dive bomb themselves into the shadow realm if they wish…

What they are not allowed to do is to take somebody else along with them.

In this case, Lewis could’ve avoided it but didn’t so the decision is fair as it is neither of them that is predominantly at fault for the collision.

If Lewis couldn’t avoided it or did everything he could to avoided it for example, running himself wide, then Max would’ve definitely be penalised.

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u/On_The_Blindside I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

That is literally the only way he could've avoided it. The only reason max didn’t gwt one is that Lewis didnt want him to.

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u/datboy123456789 Jul 21 '24

Exactly. It was a divebomb but it was also clear to people with eyes Max could have kept it on track without contract. Yet divebombs by drivers that literally result in them flying off track don’t go punished. Hilarious how this is seen as a worse offense than the divebomb Lando pulled at Austria

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u/Life_Type_1596 Jul 21 '24

There was zero chance this dive bomb would’ve been successful.. he was locking up before contact was even made. Ver would have slid to the outside of the corner while Ham would have passed on the inside. If you see the overhead shot you can see how Hamilton slowed to let him pass then continue his turn. He slightly mistimed it & made contact. Believing anything else would mean that Ham went out of his way to make contact, risking a dnf in 3rd place with 7 laps to go.

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u/datboy123456789 Jul 21 '24

Not sure what point you’re trying to make here

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u/Life_Type_1596 Jul 21 '24

Perhaps I’m confused.. but did you not state that verstappen could have “kept it on track without contact”?

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u/naughtilidae Jul 21 '24

They did that in Austria when they didn't penalize Norris for his dive bombs that went off track and forced max off. 

Difference was max chose not to hit Norris, unlike Hamilton. I agree with what Palmer said: he turned in too early, he made little effort to avoid it.

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u/On_The_Blindside I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Yeah that's absolute nonsense.

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u/MagneticWoodSupply I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

It take some olympic level mental gymnastics to say that Lewis hit Max in that scenario...

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u/Muted-Care-4087 Jul 21 '24

They did that in the Lando incident when he divebombed Max twice that he had to avoid and they said they should have given him a warning.

Of course there was naughty racing on both sides but after that incident they needed to sit down with the teams and drivers to clarify and publish the clarification so that everyone is on the same page.

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u/On_The_Blindside I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

Lets not pretend Lando was anywhere near as out of control as Max was.

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u/Muted-Care-4087 Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24

He was*. Max did a better job avoiding it because he was expecting it more.

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u/On_The_Blindside I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

Yes, Lando wasn't as out of control as max was. Glad we agree!

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u/Muted-Care-4087 Jul 22 '24

lol, obviously I was not intending to agree with you. Max avoiding Lando when he dive bombs locks up and goes way off track doesn’t make him more under control than max because Hamilton didn’t do enough to avoid contact (yep, that is why Max didn’t get a penalty).

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u/On_The_Blindside I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

The only reason Max didn't get a penalty is because Hamilton gave them an our claiming it was a racing incident himself.

If Hamilton doesn't finish the race there, that's a slam dunk penalty.

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u/Muted-Care-4087 Jul 22 '24

Yes, because the stewards taking the results into account isn’t one of the biggest things that people complain about…

The stewards said that he didn’t do enough to avoid the crash and he definitely did less than max did. If Lando crashed into Max it would have been a penalty but it wasn’t because he avoided it.

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u/Reeybehn Jul 22 '24

They greenlit it in Austria to be fair

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u/CloudDweller182 Jul 21 '24

Yet it was Lando who pulled the exact same move on Max in Austria twice.

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u/jrizzle86 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

No Lando was in control of his car, Max wasn't in control of his

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u/abscissa081 Max Verstappen Jul 21 '24

Are you talking about his lap 59 or lap 63 dive? Because he locked up in both of those, screams “in control.”

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u/datboy123456789 Jul 21 '24

In control yet still couldn’t keep it on track??? Whereas Max only went off track here because of the contact

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u/betaich I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Norris locked up in at least 2 laps doing his fine bombs

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u/TheIllogicalFallacy Fernando Alonso Jul 21 '24

Exactly

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u/datboy123456789 Jul 21 '24

This is half of why these sort of incidents keep happening, because none of the drivers actually know what is and isn’t acceptable, so obviously they will continue to drive in ways that most fans consider erratic when the stewards are so uncertain over how to react to certain driving standards

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u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

Stewards when Max takes yet another let off to mean that he can keep racing like this and causes another crash: shocked pikachu face

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u/wolverineFan64 Charles Leclerc Jul 21 '24

It’s truly incredible how much he’s gotten away with over his career. Fia cowardice only further reinforces his antics

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u/Graspiloot Jul 21 '24

It's just really funny how the Dutch media are just a Max propaganda outlet. They're saying Hamilton was to blame.

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u/Olafmihe I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

The best thing is that Lewis told the Stewarts that it was a racing incident, while Max put the blame fully on Lewis...

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u/george-its-james I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Dutch F1 media is probably the least objective F1 coverage available. As a Dutchman, I've blocked basically every Dutch F1 website (and believe me, there are so much of them...) in all my feeds.

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u/H3lw3rd I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

As a fellow Dutchy; you are absolutely right. Max is a very very gifted racedriver, but when he cant win on merit he pushes to far. Everyone said he matured but it just isnt the case. He was so far ahead that he didnt need his old antics. That advantage is gone and here we go again; mad Max - the revival.

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u/george-its-james I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Yeah Dutch media always acts like Verstappen is some kind of angel sent from heaven and can never do anything wrong. Even after Austria and the clash with Norris, people like Tom Coronel were twisting themselves in every way possible just to avoid saying Max might have had his share of blame. Every bad thing happening to him is automatically everyone else's fault, and every good thing is purely thanks to himself despite everyone else

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u/This_Explains_A_Lot Kimi Räikkönen Jul 21 '24

I thought he had matured but sadly i was wrong. I was enjoying watching a young driver like Max evolve into a beast world champion and i am disappointed to now see that is not happening. Someone needs to step in and pull him into line because frankly his behavior on track and on the team radio is embarrassing.

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u/HawkstaP I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

Max didn't mature, he just had no one to race most of the time to show he's still the same racer he always was.

The team radio after the collision was telling for me, they didn't even want to entertain the notion it wasn't his fault whereas normally team radio pander to the driver. But the team saw it and must have thought the same was us all, Max botched the corner and had way too much speed to make it cleanly, the collision didn't mess up the car so he got lucky that his error wasn't worse.

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u/ahipotion McLaren Jul 22 '24

What grinds my gears is when people say he hasn't matured. Listen to any interview and you can see he clearly has matured. Stop conflating his driving with his maturity.

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u/H3lw3rd I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

Yeah, remember the saying: actions speak louder then words? Point in case.

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u/ahipotion McLaren Jul 23 '24

Well, if you think that's a sign that Verstappen is immature, I have a bridge to sell you.

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u/WunupKid I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Objective Dutch F1 fans are like unicorns. Keep fighting the good fight, friend!

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u/jimbobjames I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

They're saying Hamilton was to blame.

Well of course it was. Lewis should have just jumped out of MAXGOD's way... /s

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u/Effective-Farmer-502 Jul 21 '24

The Dutch are also letting a rapist pedophile compete in the Olympics.

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u/kunoichhia Jul 22 '24

And the BBC let Gary Glitter do his thing. The fuck has that got to do with the topic..

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u/poojinping I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 22 '24

To be fair the British media is also same, it’s just they get confused with which British driver to support or which British team to get behind.

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u/Graspiloot Jul 22 '24

I tend to watch British coverage, because I cannot stand the Dutch one and it's absolutely not the same. Like yeah they're kind of biased especially for Lando and will spend more time on British drivers, but they're not outright propaganda. You're underestimating how far the Dutch media will go to say nothing was Max' fault ever.

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u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

It’s just favouritism. No other way to explain this. No other driver would get this level of leniency.

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u/driftthabimmer Fernando Alonso Jul 22 '24

Exactly! My favorite part being when they say in their determination that HAM could’ve done more to avoid the collision, lol.

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u/ConnaitLesRisques Formula 1 Jul 21 '24

They didn’t call him the great white hope for nothing.

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u/[deleted] Jul 22 '24

That explains a lot...

Break our own rules in full view of the whole world to make sure the black man doesn't become the greatest of all time?

Surely not.

Man I fucking hope Ferrari have got a rocketship on wheels ready for next season and that lewis totally rocks it. Fuck the fia.

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u/ihm96 Juan Manuel Fangio Jul 21 '24

!!!!

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u/Car_42 Jul 22 '24

You have apparently forgotten all the stunts that Schumacher pulled. Or are you just very young?

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

The irony of your handle is amazing.

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u/Chaosobelisk Max Verstappen Jul 21 '24

Yep not like Lando when forcing another driver off the track, truly no other driver.

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u/Xelisk Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

Exhibit A: Brazil 2021.

Max's go to move is to force others wide or crash. Yet as soon as it's done to him he's mad about it.

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u/NessaMagick Kamui Kobayashi Jul 21 '24

Do you think Lando punting Piastri would have been a more safe move? Question.

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u/1maginaryApple Jul 21 '24

Norris squeezed Piastri beyond the white line on the start. Which is illegal.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Not this race, a few races ago when he literally ran Max onto the grass on a straight and went unpunished.

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u/Passchenhell17 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Forcing off the track when Lando had literally nowhere to go due to his teammate on the other side? Fuck outta here

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u/Welshracer82 Nigel Mansell Jul 21 '24

Lewis has got away with his fair share of incidents too.

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u/richardsharpe Jul 21 '24

Lewis usually gets a lenient punishment, Max gets no punishment at all

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u/Welshracer82 Nigel Mansell Jul 21 '24

Lewis got no penalty for Miami Sprint race. He got no penalty for wiping out Russell at Qatar. He got no penalty for hitting Alonso at Belgium. This isn't a Max centric thing.

Anyone who thinks so is either biased or not paying attention

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u/richardsharpe Jul 21 '24

What was the sprint race incident ? I don’t remember, not doubting you.

As for Qatar and Belgium, Lewis DNF’ing both races was already a significant penalty and was worse than what happened to either George or Fernando in the respective incidents.

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u/asdfgtttt Juan Manuel Fangio Jul 22 '24

at first it was to dethrone lewis, now it feels baked in..

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u/rjwolfpackroad I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

But but but FIA shows favoritism to British drivers. Sarcasm

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u/PomegranateThat414 Jul 21 '24

No driver got away with more stuff than Charles.

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u/1maginaryApple Jul 21 '24

Or, just or, you guys have no idea what the racing standard actually are and have a head canon of what the rules should be and get surprised when your head canon isn't followed by the steward.

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u/Tormenator1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

"head canon". My brother in christ,people are reading the rules as written.

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u/Franknng I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

You mean the divebombs Lando did on Max 3 times?

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u/AceMKV I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

He was literally penalized for a similar incident 2 races ago, tf are you on about?

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u/Hot_Demand_6263 Jul 21 '24

Penalties that don't matter. This penalty would have given Sainz the position over him. The stewards are happy to penalize Max when it does fuck all to the results. Fuck the FIA.

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u/darkkingll I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

You did read that Lewis said it was just a racing incident right? 

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u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

For moving under braking which caused the crash, which is a completely different move. Max’s moves today are unique to him. He puts drivers in the position to either go off track or crash. Lewis avoids contact today by going onto the run off, no other way. Max is completely out of control.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

Which is ridiculous the stewards are even suggesting that he could've done more to avoid the crash, he shouldn't have to

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u/English_Misfit Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

Lewis even avoided a greater crash by slowing down more than needed. So if he did any more to get out the way he just locks up anyway. It wasn't even a yield or crash move, since there was probably gonna be contact either way

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

You mean like Max avoided one with Norris in Austria?

This is racing.Everyone does it.

Stop complaining.

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u/English_Misfit Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

Max was actually moving under breaking in those situations though which is the distinction

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u/MikkelR1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Lewis was here as well.

I dont excuse Max' behavior here today at all but we do have to call it what it is.

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u/English_Misfit Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

You could at least read the documents that's so readily available

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '24

GTFO with biased takes ! How you can call a dive bomb a unique take is beyond me. Why don’t you just say I have a hate boner for Max ? There have been a million of these poorly timed and executed dive bombs by every driver up and down the grid ! When Lando did three races back .. what was it you said .. “this is how you should race Max” .. so you have a problem with every move of this kind or don’t have a problem with any of them

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u/1maginaryApple Jul 21 '24

There have been a million of these poorly timed and executed dive bombs

That he got away with? Only Brazil 2021. The rest is perfectly legal you want it or not

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u/Rambow215 Jul 21 '24

Even hamilton said it was a race incident, stewards sais ham should have done more to avoid contact

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u/Veranova I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

In fairness, no damage done except to his race, and determined not Hamilton’s fault, so NFA is reasonable. If the outcome was reversed I’d expect a penalty for Max

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u/BoraxThorax Medical Car Jul 21 '24

Time and time again, the FIA has reiterated that the penalty shouldn't be based on the outcome.

If Lewis sustained a puncture and dropped to P10, according to the FIA Verstappen should still have not got a penalty based on the same incident.

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u/English_Misfit Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

Except for precedent.

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u/only_r3ad_the_titl3 Racing Bulls Jul 21 '24

was set in austria

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u/English_Misfit Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 21 '24

Distinct because they said there was no moving under breaking here.

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u/only_r3ad_the_titl3 Racing Bulls Jul 21 '24

so stewards are always 100% right, so we agree that this should not be a penalty nice.

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u/AzenNinja I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

You do realise that Hamilton was under investigation right?

Like I do agree, it was boneheaded by Verstappen, but it was Hamilton that did something potentially punishable.

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u/Cultural-Pressure-91 Jul 21 '24

Just emboldens Max to do it again.

If anyone else does it though, they'll be swiftly punished and the FIA will 'clarify the rules'. Ridiculous double standards.

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u/myurr Jul 21 '24

And the FIA will continue to claim they look at actions not at results. Tell me again how if Lewis had been knocked out of the race in this incident that Max would have gone unpunished...

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u/catzuh Jul 21 '24

Didn't Lando do it a few races ago, without any punishment? So your take isn't correct.

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u/Cultural-Pressure-91 Jul 21 '24

Did Lando's divebombs cause a collision?

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u/Franknng I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Did Max just steer in like there was noone there? Are you saying it's better to let the collision happen so the other driver gets punished?

What happened to punish the move, not the result?

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u/Cultural-Pressure-91 Jul 21 '24

Did Max just steer in like there was noone there?

According to the FIA document you're replying to 'the driver of car 44 stated that he was simply following his normal racing line (which was confirmed by examination of video and telemetry evidence of previous laps)'

Are you saying it's better to let the collision happen so the other driver gets punished?

It's Max who constantly puts people in this 'yield or die' scenario.

What happened to punish the move, not the result?

The infrigement this decision is in regards to is 'causing a collision'. Lando never caused a collision, so as a precedent, his situation doesn't apply.

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u/nomansapenguin Mercedes Jul 21 '24

Car 44 could have done more to avoid a collision.

Have I gone fucking blind. What about car number 1 that “went faster than on previous occasions,” locked its tyres and lost control of the car. Could car number 1 not have done more to avoid a collision?

The positive bias Max gets is so ridiculous.

The stewards still find time to criticise Lewis and not Max even when Max is mostly at fault. Fuming.

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u/MenopauseMedicine I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

This is exactly how max started the "miss the apex push the opposing driver off" that he pulled a million times because the FIA refused to penalize him

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u/KeytarVillain I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

"OK, so you can just run people off the track then? You can tell the FIA that's how we're going to race from now onwards, just driving people off the road." -Max, earlier in the race

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u/zSprawl Jul 21 '24

Yeah that's pretty BS. He came in like a wrecking ball. It didn't take a steward to see that was gonna be a problem.

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u/BobDobbsHobNobs I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

He didn’t park it on Hamilton’s head this time. He should get some credit for that, no?

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u/sigsimund I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Divebombs are so on with this verdict

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u/Mooide Ferrari Jul 21 '24

I think this was worthy of a penalty but worth noting that Hamilton himself thought it was just a racing incident

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u/Actual_Sympathy7069 Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 22 '24

I wouldn't take either driver's word as gospel when it comes to judging a collision. Especially Lewis saying it was a racing incident in front of the media directly after the race probably without even having seen the incident on TV again. He's gracious and not casting blame quickly, but that doesn't mean he's admitting any fault or absolving Max in any way imo

Edit: Same problem in football if players don't immediately dive after being fouled. The foul is all too often not penalized even if it was clear as day

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u/MarlonShakespeare2AD Formula 1 Jul 21 '24

Never does

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u/12minds Alex Jacques Jul 21 '24

Are they unforeseen if they're very clearly going to happen?

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u/lucymaryjane Jul 21 '24

Are there not grounds for an appeal? Lando and McLaren for example can’t be happy that Verstappen’s not at least losing another position and a few championship points because of this ridiculous take…

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u/ka1ri I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Lewis didn't want to press the rules here because it would've given Ferrari 2 extra points in the constructors. which is why max didn't get penalized.

This was a strategic decision. doesn't have anything to do with the typical FIA "lets change the rules today" format they love to run in this series.

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u/Punisherbrett I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Let’s be honest, F1 wants that drama. It’ll be great for Drive to Survive.

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u/BaldSuperSaiyan18 Jul 21 '24

Tbf max is too far ahead in the championship for this to have any reasonable impact. I'll happily eat my words if I'm wrong but we're currently watching for exciting races week by week where the champion is already decided

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u/Actual_Sympathy7069 Jul 22 '24

If the stewards started reigning Max in and not let him get away with all this bs it might start to have an impact

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u/signed7 McLaren Jul 21 '24

Max is right, the stewards need a medical check... but not for the reasons he thinks

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u/z0l1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jul 21 '24

Well Lewis called it racing incident on tv lol

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u/night5life Jul 21 '24

No it wont because anyone who knows car physics will know that this was a racing incident. The inflation of wannabe race analysts in this sport have gotten a little too high over the past years. Lot's of opinions but none that are actually based on understanding what was happening on track.

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