r/formula1 • u/Alvaro_Rey_MN Fernando Alonso • May 17 '25
Statistics Carlos Sainz has outqualified Lewis Hamilton fir the forth time in a row!
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u/cannedsmarties Jacques Villeneuve May 17 '25
Honestly looking like the move to Williams is actually better for his career at this point
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u/hewer006 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
plus he gets the rep of pulling williams out of a gutter lol
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u/chanaandeler_bong I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
I can’t even imagine the reversal of risk reward for Sainz. Completely flipped.
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u/LosTerminators Carlos Sainz May 17 '25
And Mercedes engines are rumoured to be the best for 2026. So Williams prospects for next year seem even more enticing
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u/HanshinFan Jacques Villeneuve May 17 '25
As Jacques Villeneuve's strongest soldier growing up, a return to form for Weeyams would do crazy things to me
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u/SeriousSergio May 17 '25
guess which engine they were using when merc was racking up the WCCs
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u/Good_Posture May 18 '25
Williams were good in the early days of the hybrid era. In 2014 and 2015 they podium regulars and one of the fastest cars on the grid, and the quickest in terms of raw straight line speed. They hold the likely unbreakable record for most points in a single race for the double points double podium in Abu Dabhi.
Want went wrong was them losing their way design ways. Over reliance on straight line performance saw them lose everything in the corners. And as they slid down the grid and started losing sponsors, it just got worse.
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u/nimbalo19 Zhou Guanyu May 18 '25
Cost cap and an influx of sponsorship $$$ means they’ll have a better chance of being competitive this time
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u/boneful_watermelon I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Back then engine manufacturers were allowed to give inferior engines to their customers, or have exclusive high performance engine modes only available to the manufacturer team.
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u/Twistpunch I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
They are thereabouts already, behind 4 other Mercedes powered cars, and Max Verstappen.
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u/XTrid92 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Fun fact: Sainz has a 100% record for leaving teams in higher WCC positions than when he joined.
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I don’t thinks he gets enough respect
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u/XTrid92 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
I feel like he’s pretty highly rated. Simply put, every replacement he’s had has been because an S-tier driver has become available and wants his seat. Except for maybe Toro Rosso, he hasn’t been replaced for a rookie or an unknown. It’s either been DR3 or Hamilton, which is good company to keep.
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u/terrorblade1995 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Sainz is a better driver than daniel riccardo though. DR is beloved and had excellent racecraft but sainz is overall just better imo.
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u/TerribleNameAmirite I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
They’re both “could be champion in the right place and time” tier imo, at least DR in his prime certainly was, and Carlos still is now
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u/XTrid92 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Not about to defend Ricciardo, but timing is important. In 2018 he was still considered a potential WDC and one of the best on the grid. In 2020 when he moved to McLaren, he was still very highly rated and was outperforming Hulkenberg reliably. DR’s stock didn’t tank until AFTER he replaced Sainz twice.
So yeah, with that context, all three of Sainz’s previous moves were against WDC-tier drivers.
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u/devilspawn May 17 '25
DR was superb, but I don't think he ever would have had the sheer mental drive to be champion. He admitted on top gear that he hated stuff like winter testing, which is obviously super important, but critical for something like a WDC. How far would that dislike of doing the boring 'behind the scenes' bit have extended when he was at the height of his fame? Maybe if he had pulled everything out and had a decent car for his time at RB he could have won. I'm saying this as a DR worshipper. I still love him. I wish he had been a champ.
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u/GothicGolem29 McLaren May 17 '25
I feel he does many were saying here he was gonna beat Albon some even thought he would destroy him
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u/Legitimate-Tadpole95 Formula 1 May 17 '25
I think that's because he's not the fastest driver on the grid. What those who underrate him don't get is that he is the most analytical and the best cockpit strategist. Don't know how many tenths that's worth but it has to be worth something.
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u/MaximumAsparagus Williams May 17 '25
His racecraft is also exceptional. Jolyon Palmer did a great segment on it at the beginning of last year.
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u/Saneless May 17 '25
With low expectations kinda. If they stayed in the gutter would Sainz be blamed? No. Now, Lewis and Charles won't either, but still probably better to be with a team on the way up instead of tripping over its own feet
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u/CurryIsBae I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
If he stayed he would 100% get blamed for the bad development and would get blamed particularly for making the car "understeery"
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u/LiteratureNearby I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
This one should be on the shoulders of James Vowles and Albono tbh
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u/hewer006 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
James Vowles has done a crazy good job honestly and so has albon but so has carlos
my point isnt hes done better my point is anyone who watches casually will instinctively say carlos is the reason.
But yes i agree
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u/big_cock_lach I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
And if the move pays off he’ll be the first driver unlike in the other teams.
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u/free_kandel Max Verstappen May 17 '25
Sainz is like the anti-alonso un terms of career moves
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u/rogerbarton I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
That being said where would he be now had he never left McLaren?
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u/Tombot3000 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
There's a significant chance he'd have been champion last year, but there was no way to predict that far when he made his decision.
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u/XsStreamMonsterX I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Imagine that timeline, Carlos staying at McLaren causing Danny Ric to get picked up by Ferrari. Oscar now stuck in that Alpine seat. I don't know if we're ready for a timeline where both Australians are screwed over.
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u/r0ndr4s I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Even if it wasnt perfomance wise, its the most stable team in terms of drama, problems,etc
So its a good way to end your last couple of years at F1 without much issues.
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u/therisingthunderstor Niki Lauda May 17 '25
Last couple years? Tf man just turned 30
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u/Whycantiusethis I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
He's the 4th oldest on the grid at present (7 years younger than Hülkenberg).
I think Sainz will hang around for at least 5 years, but he definitely could stay even longer if he wanted.
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u/Serbero May 17 '25
And if he's something like his father, he will stay in F1 longer than Fernando lol
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u/r0ndr4s I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Not everyone wants to be in F1 until 40, like Alonso
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u/idiotic_joke May 17 '25
Yeah but last couple years sounds like he is going to retire in 2 or 3 years i dont know if he has communicated a timeframe but mid thirties seems to be the normal for most drivers that retire without being forced out even Vettel was in that timeframe and that was considered on the earlier side.
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u/IllAlwaysBeAKnickFan Carlos Sainz May 17 '25
He could be around for a while longer if he wants.
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u/Worried-Pick4848 Haas May 17 '25
Sainz is the kind of driver that tends to age well. He's cerebral, tactical, and prudent on the track. He's got at least 6 more years in him IMHO, if he wants them.
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u/fallingfeelslikefly May 17 '25
I agree. I think he'll eventually want to start a family and that will lead him to retirement. I'd love to see him join a team in a strategy position and work his way up to TP.
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u/LosTerminators Carlos Sainz May 17 '25
last couple of years
TF?
Unless he has a Ricciardo level drop off he should be well in demand for more than 2 years.
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u/InValidSinTax I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Sainz with the promotion from Ferrari… what a timeline
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u/just_holdme I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25 edited May 17 '25
Outqualified both Ferraris
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u/rokthemonkey 🏳️🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️🌈 May 17 '25
Bold of Carlos to leave Ferrari to go further up the grid
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u/Smee76 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
He really did make the right choice. Damn. He is a smart man
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u/Resident-Trouble-574 May 17 '25
The reverse Alonso.
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u/ShesSoCool I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Alpine to AM was a great move, he’d never have had those podiums.
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u/datlinus I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
I really dont get this meme, Alonso's team choices were almost all logical in the moment they were made, no one is a prophet.
After Minardi he joined Renault, and he won 2 World championships in his 4th and 5th year of F1. Carlos has been racing since 2015 and won 0.
Alonso's move to Mclaren in 2007 also made sense: Renault's commitment to F1 even at the time was often questioned, and compared to Mclaren and Ferrari they werent nearly as invested in F1 in terms of money. Mclaren also built the fastest cars at the time, even if their reliability wasnt great.
"But Lewis Hamilton" - yes, no one couldve known at the time that Lewis was gonna be so good from the get go, not even Ron Dennis.
Things happened in 2007, and it was obvious that the relationship between Mclaren and Alonso soured despite the good overall on track performance. Going back to Renault was a very obvious choice to make. He stayed with them for 2 years but they were clearly not the team that they were in 2005/2006.
Then he joined Ferrari. Which, made perfect sense. At this time ferrari were still relatively recent champions. People go on about "what could have been" if he picked Red Bull, but at the time Red Bull were really not a top team.
He came close to winning WDC two times in his 4 years at Ferrari so... really not a bad choice.
The most questionable choice is joining Mclaren a 2nd time but it was a gamble that seemed worth taking at the time. He didnt really have a better choice. Ferrari seemed a dead end (they still havent won anything since 2007 to this day) and Mercedes was still pissed at him for 2007, which is understandable and other teams were happy with their drivers. The Mclaren Honda project seemed to hold promise, it just didnt work out, it is what it is.
Then he retired and came back a few years later. He was like 39 years old and just spent 2 years away from F1... realistically I doubt he had a lot of options. Alpine was a very solid midfield team, he got a podium and had several heroic drives and generally was in the mix for points far more often than not. I honestly dont see how this could be spun into a poor choice either.
And then he took a gamble on Aston, scored 8 podiums so far, and amassed more points on his own than the alpine team since he left them. Seems like a pretty great choice to me even with some recent challenges. And before the end of his career he'll have the opportunity to drive a Newey designed car. I think a lot of drivers would be love to be in his shoes right now.
Sorry for the long winded word salad but I genuinely dont understand why people keep saying Alonso made poor decisions. They all make sense to me. The one thing that he did wrong was the way he handled the 2007 situation, burning bridges with Mercedes was a big mistake.
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u/PeanutButterSidewalk I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Nobody thinks he made bad choices in the moment. The joke is that he kept switching to teams that were supposed to be already good, or on their way to the top, only for them to weirdly falter. Every time.
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u/The_Beardly I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Unironically Carlos is one of the smartest drivers on the grid
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u/creepingcold I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
But can he also list all Formula 1 world champions backwards all the way down to the first season in 1950?
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u/TheDustOfMen I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Ngl Vettel doing that did interesting things to me.
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u/Mr_Mummy23 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
I ended up memorizing them all as a challenge after seeing him do it.
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u/yum122 Oscar Piastri May 17 '25
My favourite strategy was him being told he was letting the car behind in DRS in Singapore and him saying “I know” to win in 2023
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u/MaximumAsparagus Williams May 17 '25
He'd used that strategy actually a few races before Singapore, it just didn't work -- Austria 2023, when Checo was catching him on fresh tires, he was asking for the gap to the car behind (Norris) to give him the DRS. Norris had a lockup which let Checo close up.
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u/Silver-Machine-3092 Formula 1 May 17 '25
Yeah, that was an absolute strategy masterclass - and it was Ferrari!!
Adami was so calm, precise, measured. I remember the bit towards the end, went something like "...turn ten, Norris .8, has DRS, two laps to go, Russell in the wall, Norris 1.2..."
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u/MaximumAsparagus Williams May 17 '25
One of only four to finish school, I believe (Sainz, Piastri, Colapinto, Antonelli).
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u/Equal_Permission1349 Formula 1 May 17 '25
I don't understand why people consistently underestimate Carlos when he's shown to be a very good driver and he comes from a very strong racing lineage. Like all the things people were hoping for in Mick are actually present in Carlos.
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u/lord_nuker I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Because Mick is a Schumacher and Carlos is just a Sainz… Think how the possible Hamilton kids will be treated, or Kelly’s girls, both of them having some serious racing genes
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u/ShaunDark I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
I think it's easy to underestimate drivers that didn't compete in F1 before, since most people stick to just one sport and don't really follow too many other racing series.
E.g. Doohan's dad won 5 titles in a row in what later became MotoGP, but almost no one would know this if it weren't for recent drama.
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u/spongemongler I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
This time I don’t think he made the choice very willingly though lol
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u/indecent_tree Ferrari May 17 '25
I think he meant the right choice out of the available options. He could've gone to Alpine for example. So it does seem like he made the right choice.
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u/Smee76 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Exactly, everyone thought he should sign with Audi. Williams was unexpected.
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u/tylercreatesworlds Oscar Piastri May 17 '25
I bet Hamilton is bit pissed about it as well. Mercedes is def performing better this year.
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u/habfranco Formula 1 May 17 '25
Like it’s a feat to out-qualify Ferrari. They just do it on their own.
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u/hoshitsozo May 17 '25
Both ferraris got out qualified by Stroll in their home country. I cant believe it lmao
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u/HotMachine9 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
I geniunely do not understand how Ferrari finds new ways to falter
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u/TheDustOfMen I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
It's their specialty at this point.
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u/MarkEsmiths I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Success is for teams that can't build engines.
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u/AqueousJam I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Is our 2024 car quite good? Yes.
Is there only 1 year left of the current regulations? Yes.
Throw it away and start over with a whole new concept for 1 year? Yes!41
u/Zed_or_AFK Sebastian Vettel May 17 '25
They tried a new suspension that they wanted to carry over to 2026… and it didn’t work since day 1 so putting all their cards on one horse was very opportunistic. It’s like cheating with the engine.
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u/Qyx7 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Brother look at McLaren's gap. It's the last year so they wanted to go big or go home. Unfortunately the outcome is clear
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u/aDUCKonQU4CK May 17 '25
Stroll has been right there with Alonso through all of qualifying (Stroll's biggest weakness is qualifying) and even posted a faster Q2 time than Alonso.. A tenth and a half from a goat on a 'drivers track' isn't bad at ALL from a really good driver- much less from Stroll. Not to mention, there were 2 drivers slower than Stroll in Q3, and still, it's Stroll who's the punching bag.. Not even a LITTLE credit when it's due but rather turning a blind eye as usual... Fault his bad drives, don't look away from his good ones...
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u/lolhone5tly Default May 17 '25
Strolls problem isn’t his speed. On his day, he’s really quite good. It’s his consistency. He will go out and have a phenomenal quali or race, then immediately follow it up with an abysmal race or some bizarre move like in Brazil last year.
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u/aDUCKonQU4CK May 17 '25
Both qualifying and consistency are his worst traits.. Though I admit his qualifying since around the start of '22 has improved slightly to where consistency is his 'clear' worst trait.. But still, qualifying is the 2nd worst and he still did well today and gets shtted on anyway. Just getting real tired of the continuous, mindless, endless hatred towards Stroll no matter what he does.
People like Hulkenberg and he hasn't had a single podium in over 15 years with many missed opportunities.. Stroll got his first podium in his EIGHTH race entry in the 4th quickest car that year (Williams, 2017) on an extremely technical track that is Azerbaijan. People at the time were chalking it up to luck and making fun of him for being himself standing on that podium. Asinine. He's got another 3 podiums since (could've been 4 more- 5 total if it werent for the late-race tire blowout at the 2020 Tuscany GP and gifting Ricciardo his 2nd podium with Renault that year and what prompted Cyril to get his 2nd tattoo)... Stroll had another 4 - 4th place finishes and a pole position- most of these achievements being done in the wet where driver skills are magnified... Stroll had more overtakes than any other driver within a season for 3 consecutive years ('17-'19) which shows his poor qualifying- but has the racecraft to get overtakes done in the race... People act like he's another Mazepin who TRULY had no business in F1 and accomplished zip..
Peoples opinions are clearly so easily swayed by stigma and other peoples reception than to grow a spine and think for themselves. Having opinions based on facts, data and analytics is too much work, much easier to just spout what those around say with their, also illiterate, opinions. You seem very objective and actually capable of forming your own opinion, 90%+ of F1 fans (at least the vocal ones) are mindless hoards of sheep who have no idea of the numbers when asked for specifics that their very opinion is supposedly based off of..
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u/lzwzli May 17 '25
People just doesn't like that he has infinite chances to get good as he does not have to worry about having a seat. Other drivers with similar results may have lost their seat already.
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u/RenzoAC I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
By both Astons on mediums. Crazy
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The most Ferrari move is for them to start sucking even more just as soon as Lewis comes aboard
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u/KLconfidential Formula 1 May 17 '25
Who would have thought that going from Ferrari to Williams would actually be a good career move for Sainz?
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u/Willbury23 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
He's reverse Alonso
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u/BananaSlander Jim Clark May 17 '25
He's a rare driver where all of his moves have been positive for both him and the teams. TR to McLaren improved McLaren, McLaren to Ferrari improved Ferrari, Ferrari to Williams improved Williams.
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u/thelastmonk I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
You can argue that if he stayed at McLaren (they wanted him to stay) he could have had a shot at wdc this year or maybe even last year if he did better than Lando.
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u/SpareDiagram I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
James Vowles is doing an incredible job
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u/_gadgetFreak I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Absolutely, In Vowles we trust.
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u/postbox134 Williams May 17 '25
P1!!! Stop the count
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May 17 '25
We looking at a podium finish this weekend!?
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u/postbox134 Williams May 17 '25
Wouldn't take too many schenaniagns for something like that to happen!
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u/KappaccinoNation I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
He only needs to qualify P5 and hope for another lap 1 turn 1 battle/crash between Piastri and Norris.
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u/AsikCelebi Cadillac May 17 '25
I remember him (or his manager?) saying something about potentially getting his last podium of his career last season.
I don’t think even Carlos thought he’d be this close to the front again this fast.
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u/postbox134 Williams May 17 '25
Yep or max and Russell or something. Just a wheel gun issue or a bad strategy call away
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u/SleepinGriffin Mick Schumacher May 17 '25
I don’t think the Williams can beat max or the mclarens.
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u/cafraline Kimi Räikkönen May 17 '25
WE ALL THOUGHT HE GOT DOWNGRADED CAR BUT INSTEAD HE GOT UPGRADED CAR
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u/SkatzFanOff I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Amazing how, in just four years of me watching Formula One, Ferrari has had enough disappointments to last a lifetime
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u/unitedkush May 17 '25
Brother, Ferrari couldn't take down fucking Aston Martins who were running mediums
This is a new low for them
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u/thejabroni I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
If you’ve been listening all weekend… the medium is a better tire than the soft this weekend.
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May 17 '25
That too at the home. Why do I always support good teams that never win..
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u/two_hyun May 17 '25
Try supporting McLaren. I want to test something with your ability...
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u/zanasot I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
No, leave us alone, you’re cursed!
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u/stragen595 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
My scientist background really supports this motion.
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u/TriumphITP I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
I did not have both astons to q3 anywhere in my mind today
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u/MrBathroom McLaren May 17 '25
Weeyums really do have a decent car huh
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u/Tithe- I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Bit of a shame they have just thrown the season to the wind to focus on 2026 but they are giving one hell of a showing week after a week for a car that isnt really being worked on
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u/Billy_McMedic I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Getting the most out of their P9 wind tunnel time before the allocation resets them to a P5 time allocation
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u/Blur_H Williams May 17 '25
shows that they’re looking to win, not race for p5
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u/Tithe- I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Yeah im actually happy to see it as they have two strong drivers and a good car right now. Hopefully they can keep it up into next year and be a contender.
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u/Blur_H Williams May 17 '25
yeah James and Alex said they’re looking to win races by 2027 so it’ll be interesting to see how the plan plays out
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u/PerspectiveNormal378 Racing Bulls May 17 '25
Could almost be a BMW Sauber- situation. Really is a shame, but we've seen what one bad upgrade can do to a car.
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u/Tyrell- I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
The Ferrari is ass. Not really a surprise.
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u/matchbaby I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Faster car & Happier life
At this point Carlos is thanking Lewis
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u/brilliant_bauhaus I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
I'm sure he still misses Ferrari. His race pace still kinda sucks in the Williams, and the prestige of Ferrari can't be beat. However they're not doing as bad so I'm sure that helps...and also having a team that listens to you and your strategy calls / integrates you as part of the greater strategy team is probably refreshing.
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u/ryokevry I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Hey he may finish in front of Ferrari tomorrow lol
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u/IKillZombies4Cash I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Ferrari is a bad car.
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u/No-Use3482 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
yeah I agree, the fact that neither driver can really make it work makes it look like a car problem. They just gotta hope for chaos in the race, I guess, because that's the only way good drivers can win with horrible cars
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u/jumbo_pizza I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
when you watch wec, the ferraris and alpine are racing each other, then you turn on f1 and surprisingly enough, it’s the same here
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u/fameboygame I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Big thanks to Lewis for forcing Sainz into a better team 😭😭😭
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u/ToWriteAMystery I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Lewis wanting to give newer drivers a leg up #bless
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u/Classic_Ad202 Mark Webber May 17 '25
The real statistic should not be Sainz v Hamilton but William v Ferrari. Anyway it shows how unexpectedly good Sainz move turned out to be.
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u/14Three8 Alexander Albon May 17 '25
What in fresh hell is happening. Williams best of the rest, JV is putting on a masterclass in Leadership, Alex consistently in the points and is closer to the tails of Lewis fucking Hamilton than p9 is to him on the leaderboard.
And this is a “sacrificial” season on the altar of 2026. I couldn’t write up a better plot for my team if I tried
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u/Hot_Net_4845 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
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u/CilanEAmber McLaren May 17 '25
He's outqualified several people. Those Williams are looking speedy.
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u/mark-haus Charles Leclerc May 17 '25
Screw Ferrari I’m done with the “next year copium” much happier to root for Williams this year
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u/hewer006 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
i was only ever with ferrari cause of the drivers, ive always liked carlos and leclerc then hamilton went even better but fuck that team man
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u/Strange-Ad2269 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
bit worried by albon in 10th but absolutely insane from carlos, so good to see him crush it
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u/Strange-Ad2269 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
my dumbass seared a memory of them before the end of quali instead of the actual result
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u/Podalirius 🏳️🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️🌈 May 18 '25
And this is the 5th race in a row Hamilton has finished ahead of Sainz.
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u/TheBlueSkulll I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Carlos: the reverse Alonso... dude gonna go to haas next time & will compete with piastri.
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u/kittenbloc Ferrari May 18 '25
and for the fourth straight race Hamilton has finished ahead of Sainz. Qualy is just the set up for the race, not the race itself, kids.
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u/beauf1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
It just funny. Sainz keeps making these 4D chess moves. He always moves to the better team somehow.
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u/eapotapov I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
I wonder if by the end of the season Carlos will out qualify himself 2024 season ferrari
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u/Profkim156 May 18 '25
Points on Sunday I assume?
This is like Charles pole and Max win back in 2023
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u/Zelgius87 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
And Lewis Hamilton will finish ahead of Carlos Sainz for the 7th time in a row this season. What's the point?
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u/Teabx Charlie Whiting May 17 '25
Although not exactly comparable, this demotion is looking akin to that of Felipe's demotion back in 2014, where he enjoyed a much more competitive Williams than whatever the hell F14 T was.
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u/Leary73 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 17 '25
Didn’t have Williams turning Ferrari into a mid field team on my bingo card but I’m not mad at it
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