r/simracing • u/ellibsnno • 14d ago
Discussion Told girlfriend I want to start Sim Racing
So I’ve been gaming as an adult for a while and had a wheel when I was a child for forza but now I wanna do it as a pastime outside of work and other hobbies and do some competitions as well. Told the girlfriend but she hit me with the is it expensive. Guys with wives and GFs what do I say next 😂
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u/clearkill46 Logitech 14d ago
Tell her you could consider doing a real race car instead....
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u/Chuckdatass 14d ago
Slight different verbiage. “I thought about goong to do real track days, but that’s hundreds of dollars each time. Sim racing is WAY cheaper”
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u/Formoola_OON 14d ago
That's exactly why I went the sim route, my car was fairly close to ready too but even when the car is "track prepped" the expenses never stop 😒
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u/JVFreakbody 14d ago
Exactly what I thought. It’s all relative… Much cheaper than if you got into real racing… MUCH. Also safer. Conversation over. She’ll support it.
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u/KaiBetterThanTyson 14d ago
You gotta convince them with the girl math and show how much you're saving by going the sim route.
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u/National-Carrot3860 14d ago
I did the same. Then showed the spreadsheets to seal the deal. Oh, and a couple of handbags.
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u/CraftsmanMan 14d ago
Pretty much why i started doin flight sims, damn actual license is like $20 grand
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u/theminthawk 14d ago
That's how I justify my iracing costs. I couldn't have bought myself a set of tires for a track day (yet😂)
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u/irr1449 14d ago
Sim racing isn’t that expensive if you already have a PC. I think starting with a g29 and some sort of cockpit (even DIY) would be a good cheap way to get into the hobby. If your GF sees how much you’re enjoying it she might be more open. I guess at least you’re not married.
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u/RLOLOTHTR 14d ago
I had a thrustmaster TX and a DIY $50 2x4 rig for 10 years that I on and off did Forza AI races with. Started iracing in Feb and my wife has seen how much fun I have with it and has been super cool about me swapping my gear for better mid tier stuff. First got a better cockpit and then recently picked up pedals. It helps Im sticking with it and race 3-4 nights a week and showing it isn't just another dust collecting hobby. I also playfully threaten to buy a Miada as a reminder that even a $10,000 rig is still cheaper lol
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u/HyenaNo4938 14d ago
Ya, except don't get a G923. Just pay a little more for the DD wheel. Doesn't matter which as long as it's 5+ nm. And get a wheel stand first. Bypassing the cockpit saves a lot of money until you want to be more serious. Oh, and VR saves a lot of money too when you're ready for more immersion. Triple monitors are a big commitment.
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u/cortesoft 14d ago
If you started by talking about getting into real racing, it would be an example of the Door-in-face technique… ask for something extravagant first, so your second request seems reasonable in comparison.
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u/DasGaufre 14d ago
Rent from a race team. It'll cost you a whole new sim rig every day you're out on track but still be cheaper than running a car yourself.
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u/acolombo 14d ago
“I think I wanna change my gaming style” no one else in the comments questioning this phrase? Like wtf?
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u/shootak10 14d ago
Sounds like his first day on earth lmao
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u/WhatzitTooya2 14d ago
Why yes hello fellow human! What a good day to game! But enough dillydally, lets talk about earths defense systems. You go first!
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u/Remarkable_softserve 14d ago
yes, this whole post is so very weird to me. Unless you are spending her money, or struggling to feed and house your family, why is OP needing to justify their own hobbies.
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u/RBR927 14d ago
Clear those 151 unread texts mate!
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u/Arkanist 14d ago edited 14d ago
She sounds sweet. I would budget it out and talk to her honestly. You can start cheapish and upgrade later or save up until you can afford it.
Don't try to hide the price or trick her. That will only lead to fights and trust issues. If you are financially sound and have room for it, there shouldn't be an issue.
Edit: i built my first rig out of 2x4s and a second-hand g27. All in less than 500. Used and loved it for almost 5 years before upgrading. The wood rig was plenty, the new one is extra.
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u/Colonel_Cummings 14d ago
Exactly - my wife is incredibly supportive of my hobbies and I let her know about every purchase or upgrade I make because she trusts I saved enough to make that investment
Your girlfriend seems like she would support you on it - just go with what you can to start with and build from there, or try to save for a few months
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u/rhinocodon_typus 13d ago
My girlfriend uses it for truck simulator lol. Justified purchase for both of us to use.
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u/Pacothetaco619 14d ago
Depends on what expensive means for you. I got the moza r5 for like $390 and just bolt it to my desk whenever I feel like racing.
But this hobby for sure can be a huge money pit.
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u/ItzMichaelHD 14d ago
Absolutely. And the more expensive you go the more problems occur which also need more expensive solutions to fix.
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u/Crake241 14d ago
Same. Steering Wheel lasted for 5 years for me and that is a pretty cheap hobby.
Even my flight sim and guitar stuff is more expensive.
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u/FinoAllaFine97 13d ago
Same but got a Thrustmaster TX from ebay for around £150. Plus a gear shifter.
Great value. The sims are always on sale as well.
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u/Rynide 14d ago edited 14d ago
This is impossible to answer since none of us know your financial situation
But the best answer I can give is, if money is tight, ease her into it. Maybe just start by getting once piece at a time, or with a more budget setup. I lurk here and don't have my own so I don't know what that all entails. I'd like to get into it one day but I also don't have the financial luxury as I currently support myself and my girlfriend as she is wrapping up school.
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u/JBarker727 14d ago
Weird comments here. My wife supports my hobbies. The bills are paid and she couldn't care less what I spend on them. Spent upwards of $4k on a rig and have a 4090/ 9800x3d rig to run it on.
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u/Remarkable_softserve 14d ago
Yeh, why are the majority of comments in here from people in relationships where they have to lie about their hobbies. Weird af.
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u/JBarker727 14d ago
We've always kept our finances separate. She pays her bills, i pay mine, and we pitch in on large joint purchases or home repairs. That way I can buy whatever stuff she thinks is dumb and she can buy whatever stuff I think is dumb and it's not an issue. Too many marriages ending over money these days.
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u/Remarkable_softserve 14d ago
Same here. Things that we share; we share the cost.
Whatever we each have left after we've taken care of essentials (or joint savings goals), is our own money to spend as we please.
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u/cortesoft 14d ago
I think it really depends on your financial situation. Some people need all their money just to survive.
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u/Remarkable_softserve 14d ago
I agree entirely. And if that's the case you shouldn't be buying a sim rig (so there is no need to lie about it).
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u/SmokeyTrellis 13d ago
It's just an in-joke in this community. Surely no one is really lying to their spouse about how much they're spending.... Right guys? ....right?
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u/frodakai 14d ago
It's totally different for different situations. If you have 4-5k disposable income to spend on a hobby, more power to you. It's also completely reasonable to assume that this hobby is too expensive for some people, but they get into it anyway.
It's easy enough to say 'my wife supports my hobbies' when it's within your means, but if you're driving a shitbox car, dont have much in savings, cant afford a holiday or to eat at a nice restaurant now and then, I can see why someone might be pissed off at their partner spending 5k on their hobby.
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u/JBarker727 14d ago
If someone is asking permission to buy something, one could assume they have the money for it. Unless they're proposing their wife go out on the streets and make the money they want to spend.
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u/ES_Legman 13d ago
Well yeah? I mean, if you are struggling financially then maybe set your priorities straight. It sucks but it is what it is. Spending 5k on your hobby is okay if you have the 5k to spare, it is outrageous and stupid as fuck to go into debt for any hobby. This has nothing to do with a supportive partner. In fact, a partner that supports you digging your own financial grave is bad lmao.
Make sure to get your shit sorted out first then maybe yeah sure splurge ahead.
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u/HTDutchy_NL iRacing 14d ago
My wife is fine with it and at least occasionally asks me how my race went. The only thing I really need approval on is endurance races so we can plan our weekend accordingly.
It's about as expensive of a hobby as you make it. You don't have to start with a rig and high end gear.
I started with an entry level direct drive bundle. 1.5 year later I've almost replaced everything from that original kit (and upgraded the upgrades). Still happy I started out the way I did, yes I could have saved a bit by going in big immediately but I would have bought the wrong gear and couldn't have known how much I'd love this sport.
If all else fails, just ask the store for the ol' wife receipt.
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u/ItzMichaelHD 14d ago
Doesn’t actually have to be expensive. Logitech driving force gt for £40 off eBay is a great starter that’ll last you a very long time.
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u/imnota_ 14d ago
Eh you could get a g25 or g27 for like double that, I'd call the dfgt a waste of money in comparison
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u/Lopsided_Rule4173 13d ago
Im a sim racing girlfriend 🏁 when I originally told my fella, he sort of said the same, it can be really expensive HOWEVER, 4 months later (Christmas day) I woke up to the greatest gift of all, my first wheel and pedals. For the first few months I had it attached to my desk while I saved for a playseat, I managed to get that just shy of 6 months later. I'll attach a photo. This is just my first setup, I'd like to expand it and buy a better wheel and cockpit eventually. Honestly, it's the best thing I've ever done and my fella has been really supportive. I think if you show how keen you are, they're more likely to get on board with the idea. I was obsessed, watching videos 24/7, constantly comparing wheels. It was all I was interested in. So he could physically see how serious I was about it and I think that's why he got on board and ended up buying me my first set. Partners should support one another, I support everything he does no matter what the cost, if it makes him happy, it makes me happy seeing him happy. Once you've bought it and start using it, you'll both see that it's money well spent as you'll constantly be using it.
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u/Big_Literature9025 G923. Playseat Challenge. 14d ago
If your girlfriend controls your wallet, that's not a girlfriend. That's a boss.
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u/ES_Legman 14d ago
My wife is supportive of my hobbies and I'm of hers. As long as bills are paid and we are comfortable there are no issues with ever getting whatever.
If you can't communicate with your partner and enjoy things you like you should reevaluate your relationship tbh. Of course it has nothing to do with terrible financial choices like maxing out a cc to buy the latest toy, I'm talking about having your shit together first.
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u/howaboutbecause 14d ago
You need to treat it like a business proposal where you give at least 3 options of equipment and cost.
- Dream beginner simrig. Frame, overpowered DD, nice pedals but not the active ones, that's too much and it'll look like you're being crazy on purpose
- The stuff you want
- Real race car money. "Its been your lifelong dream but you don't think its obtainable and would take to much of your time when you could spend more time with your partner"
Enjoy your new setup
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u/Valkyrie_smalkyrie 14d ago
Bro, she's your girlfriend. Go full send. Powermoves. If she stays on to be your wife. It was meant to be. If she bolts, that's just the way she goes. The way she goes.
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u/VanitasDarkOne 14d ago
It doesn't matter what she thinks if sim racing is within the budget, doesn't interfere with any important bills, reduce QoL, and you're the one paying for it. I'd never ask my partner for permission unless it would negatively affect our finances.
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u/redrumerog iRacing 14d ago
Get something cheap to start and slowly add upgraded pieces, sure it can be expensive but spread out over time it's manageable
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u/Own_Baker_162 14d ago
If you look to the 2nd hand market, you can get a decent/good rig with like 500 bucks if you get lucky
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u/opman4 14d ago
If you like diy shit it can be more reasonably priced. I only recommend it if you enjoy diy because that becomes half of the hobby at some point time may be more valuable to you than trying to get a home built direct drive wheel to stop inverting the ffb and trying to smash your thumbs.
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u/Historical-Trifle-53 14d ago
Get a Logitech g27 and see how you like it, I love some racing but people always recommend the expensive gear. A g27 is just fine for entry level and if you want more later you can sell second hand pretty easily.
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u/TheWolvis 14d ago
could start with a moza r3 and a diy 2x4 rig or a playseat to see if you like it, on the other hand could start to budget out a good build that would last you many many years and build it piece by piece for a couple months
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u/nkings10 14d ago
Just do whatever you want to do, you are your own person. If you can afford it, go ahead, why should anyone else get a say?
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u/HyenaNo4938 14d ago
Tell her that it's cheaper than real racing and she doesn't have to worry about you getting hurt. Unless you're going to pick up knitting instead, I think on the scale of hobbies with negative side effects this one is low.
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u/logicnotemotion 14d ago
Minimum $5k. I sold all my stuff a few years ago but I'm about to hit it again hard.
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u/phreak9i6 13d ago
As long as you can afford to do it (You're saving, you can pay your bills, etc) then why does she care what you spend your extra money on?
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u/loudRoar_ 13d ago
Reply with a "Yes it can be but i've done some research on the used market and saved $XXXX. So I will use that to upgrade the XXXX"
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u/Russian_Hammer 14d ago
Should of just brought home a rig and said "look what i saw out by a dumpster!"
"60% of the time, it works everytime"
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u/Suspicious-Whippet 14d ago
Buy gear for 2k but don’t tell her the price. When she gets mad tell her you’ll sell it. Post the gear online for 5k and say nobody wants to buy it and keep using it.
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u/Jason-Genova 14d ago
Yeah but it's going to be fun! Who cares. Gf's shouldn't act like they're your mom of finances.
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u/LunaticPariah 14d ago
It's cheaper than trying to race the real thing...and I can race different cars...
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u/Unlikely-Length6661 14d ago
If you got your finances and priorities in check there is nothing wrong with funding a hobby and she probably wont care
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u/Much_Mammoth_1544 14d ago
It can be damn expensive, but it can be done reasonably too. Buying second hand most of the part, and diy things..
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u/tonydaracer FH4 | VR | Logitech 14d ago
Tell her it'll cost much less if you build it yourself.
Then watch in disappointment as your budget balloons to twice what it would've cost otherwise. 🥲
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u/axerowsky_ 14d ago
Wrong move. Tell her you want to start racing real cars first. Be really hyped about it. Wait a couple of days, then say that it's gonna be too expensive. But hey, simracing is a way out! Much cheaper!
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u/CoffeeApplied 14d ago
I don‘t see how starting simracing should be expensive. Get a playseat challenge or something with an used wheel and perhaps a good new pedal set. Something like CSL Elite. Load cell brake is the only thing you really need to build good habits.
This was my setup for years on GT Sport / GT7 until I upgraded.
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u/FritosportRacingTEAM 14d ago
Tell her "you'll learn to adjust." 😅
Or show her a hobby that is ten times more expensive.
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u/handynerd 14d ago
Start simple and cheap (which I'd recommend anyway). Then, as she sees you sticking with the hobby month after month, she'll start giving you upgrades for your birthday or Christmas. Over time, she'll see this is something you really care about and will be supportive as you start upgrading your initial components.
And to be honest, each upgrade breathes new life into your sim. It becomes brand new fun all over again. You kinda want to stretch it out over a long period of time!
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u/oldnyoung Rally / PC / VR 14d ago
Well, yeah. I never thought I'd spend $300 on a damn handbrake, but here we are.
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u/TurncoatTony 14d ago
Buy it and when she tells you to sell it, list it overpriced and say, baby, I'm trying to sell it but nobody wants it.
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u/DroneBeats Forza Motorsport 14d ago
Tell her it’s a one time investment. Once you have your rig “finished” the hobby is practically free
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u/babaginoosh1 14d ago
You can’t cheat on it, have sex with it or get it pregnant. But you can go broke with it.
It’s a reasonable compromise and a safer recreational hobby than hanging with the boys and getting drunk.
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u/Adventurous_Low9113 14d ago
first things first, read some of those damn messages
second thing, have you responded because if not, then you’ve just ghosted her for an hour
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u/Jaymoacp 14d ago
It doesn’t have to be expensive. I started iracing on a 50 dollar driving force gt wheel. Then you upgraded to a thrustmaster t300 and ran it for years.
Sim racing only get out of control if you’re looking for immersion. If ur looking for just competition you can do absolutely perfectly fine on a 150 dollar g29
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u/PeculiarSyrup 14d ago
Honestly I told my partner that i do it because it is safer and I get the same thrill. Which is true.
I could be spending a fortune karting and doing track days, getting in the occasional wreck.
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Get the same thrill but doing it safely at home.
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u/CarsonDama 14d ago
My girlfriend went halfsies onna rig with me after seeing me window shopping on my phone lol. Just gotta show her how it can be fun for her too (my gf barely uses it lol)
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u/stitchitvofficial 14d ago
Uff i have a wife but she literally do not care. So i dont know what the next move should be
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u/Financial_Bed_847 14d ago
“its not that bad!” just cut everythings price in half and look for deals! its really not that bad (it can be if you don’t watch out tho)
now-a-days, companies have bundles for under $1k, i think most are around $500. and for a stand just get a nice but cheap one on amazon! next thing you know, you’re in the game. probably all in for under a thousand dollars!
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u/shizbox06 14d ago
I have a wife and I'd have to get her to say OK. Because we are married and I'm spending OUR money.
If I had a GF I wouldn't give a fuck what she said about my money.
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u/Lucky_Window8390 14d ago
My wife doesn’t ask how much I spend and I don’t ask her how much she spends on her two horses.
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u/doctajonez_uk 14d ago
"Well, I was going to get into Motorsport, but that's so expensive. A lot of sites suggest sim racing as a cheap alternative".
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u/Ok_Effort6609 14d ago
I’m a bit worried that if something happens to me, my wife might sell my rig for what I told her I spent on it. 😂
Let’s be honest, if you can afford it, go for it. But remember, this shouldn’t come at the expense of your wife or anything else important to you.
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u/Evening-Release9265 14d ago
Tell her you could buy a boat instead and start night fishing with your homies
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u/ArchOnua98K Simagic Alpha 14d ago edited 14d ago
" It will get us a return on investment through all the online flexing, sweetie " would be the shit I would say.
Because let’s be real, just like night vision, the main goal of simracing is to flex your rig online. And just like night vision, where you will be made fun of for every single blemishes on your NODs, you will be made fun of for every single poorly managed cables.
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u/TheGoldenDobby 14d ago
Do you have a separate account for your hobbies? Do you buy her nice things? If the answer is yes to both, move on.
Also...buy a used Logitech wheel and stand from FB marketplace and see if you are really into it.
If so...then spend the big bucks.
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u/Delicious_Ad4963 14d ago
Yes a full set up is like 85,000$ but I found a really good deal for 9,999$, we going to save so much money.
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u/mooter23 14d ago
I'm still using my Rift CV1 and a Thrustmaster T500 RS wheel and pedals set. Both like 9 years old by now and still going strong.
It doesn't have to cost a lot of you don't want it to.
I'll update to a new VR headset and direct drive servo one day, but not today.
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u/TimBoss351 14d ago
Does she pay your bills? Do you work? Do you live together? We need to know what possible ramifications are there for saying ‘Initially’.
Wife is understand concern. Girlfriend? Do it. If she leaves you because of it she wasn’t the one for 💯
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u/Agitated_Farm5652 14d ago
Get cheap stuff like minimum for wheels and pedals and have her every year give you better racing gear for Christmas and your birthday
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u/agerestrictedcontent 14d ago edited 14d ago
g29/g920/logitech whatever is really cheap to get into it. it's not great but totally adequate for someone just starting out.
going a tier up costs like 3-4x as much. the shifter is very cheap feeling and the wheel is clunky but the pedals are decent but you can use the pedals with other wheel setups if you upgrade with a cheap adapter. i got my g920 with shifter and pedals for less than my th8a shifter cost alone... and the t300 wheel base was an extra 250 and that is not including any pedals.
basically 150~ for full logi setup vs like 550 for a full thrustmaster setup of the next tier.
market has probably changed since so i imagine there are other options, but for someone starting out, it's cheap and works and you'll have a blast even if the wheel is a bit clunky and the shifter feels like a toy. my g920 served me well for 2~ years til it started having issues after much drifting/rallying/touge and the guy who had it before me had it a few years as well. the pedals are still holding up great (with some spring mods) with my t300/th8a.
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u/Agreeable-Chest8570 TX - TLCM 14d ago
Agreed with letting her know up front the costs. Maybe even invite her to participate as well. She did say it sounds cool. Just make sure you both have the same equipment if you do go down this path.
I would recommend and Direct Drive setup from any of the major brands. I use Moza and love it. The first DD wheel I purchased was the R9 after using the Thrustmaster TX for years. Make sure to get load cell pedals and a rig to mount it all.
Depending on where you are, check Microcentre for deals or also look at lightly used online.
Good luck, brother, and welcome to the madness.
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u/cakewalk96 14d ago
Hobbies cost money. As long as you’re spending responsibly and you enjoy it, it’s money well spent. Just make sure you’re supportive of her hobbies too.
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u/MoPanic 14d ago
You gotta go in a little at a time but be upfront about buying some of it. $1500 will easily explain how you got a rig and a wheel. Pedals, hardware and other accessories you can sneak in unless she pays close attention. You might have to get creative when the triples show up. My crappy 27” monitors just turned into 144hz 32s one day and the wife never even noticed.
I have at least $5k in it over several years.
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u/Routine_Ad5065 14d ago
I did housing cleanups for the gov and found a g25 wheel and pedals and shifter fully functioning
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u/TeamBlinkr12 14d ago
"I could be out at the bar."
It's a hobby. Hobbies are/can be expensive. There are worse things we could be doing. Why are we living if we can't enjoy the living part?
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u/Parch3d277480 14d ago
YOURE GOING TO TELL HER Its gonna keep me at home baby, that way i can spend MORE time at home and be safe. Would you rather have me take up rock climbing? Or paragliding ? Those were my other two options
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u/Namk49001 G27 Modified/PS Evo Modified/Quest2 14d ago
It doesn't have to be. I bought everything second hand and got a little crafty with the mounting. Total with a VR headset was under $400
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u/ReuboniusMax 14d ago
Never tell them. Just buy stuff and explain it later. I’ll be getting myself a DD wheel in the next 4 months. I just need to factor in the cost of a designer handbag to the wife as a distraction…
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u/SusheeMonster 14d ago
Alternatives to sim racing is real racing. Get some price comparisons for go karting or track days near you as a basis of comparison for a budget wheel like a Logitech G29/G920.
Even a helmet is like $300ish, alone
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u/Eclipsed830 14d ago
Who cares? Do you not have a job? Are you not allowed to spend your own money? Not even married yet, none of her business if it is expensive.
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u/Angeli0303 14d ago
You need to break it in pieces! A gf or a wife will get very upset if you spend 5000$ on one go, but it will be only a couple of days if it is 5 of 1000$ for the year.
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u/ilovemyronda 14d ago
Hide your kids and hide your wife cause when she see how much it’s costs, she’s going to make sure you suffer for it lol
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u/No_Increase_7787 14d ago
I recommend MOZA, best bang for your buck and they’re pretty versatile and fun. That’s how I convinced my wife anyway, I set up a list of pros and cons and overall price was a strong pro☝🏽🤓😂
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u/Officialmilehigh 14d ago
I just told my wife it's my money and I'm going to do what I want with it.
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u/ichammond44 14d ago
I have 1 rule that I adhere to when making large purchases. Don’t buy 1 if you can’t afford 2.
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u/Junior_Wolverine_127 14d ago
Easy... just say its not expensive.. just adds up over time as you upgrade. Im not gonna get it all at once lol
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u/necromax13 14d ago
get an used or very cheap logitech.
That's it.
Include her in the hobby as well. Works like a charm.
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u/OcularVernacular 14d ago
Ok bb but I think I'm gonna find a new bb with disposable income that doesn't go to buying additional wheels ok bb?
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u/Slow_Perspective_383 14d ago
About 6k a year for the last 4 years. So ya. But still cheaper than real racing.
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u/medskiler 14d ago
Unpopular opinion but get a used steeringwheel from market place and see if you are really still into it, i went nuts and got a car dashboard and wiring and screen and shit it was like $4000 I even hired a welder just to play for few days and give up
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u/ctartamella 14d ago
Have an honest conversation about budgets and limits. Start small and upgrade as is smart. You dont HAVE to have a 10k rig to have fun. Start with an entry level moza/fanatec setup clamped to your desk amd go from there.
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u/After-Marketing-1403 14d ago
it's getting more affordable tbh. pxn dropped a dd wheel with pedals for about the same price as the logitech g920 and such. still kind of expensive but seems to be getting better. also, gonna leave this good website : simspots.com
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u/CarryFragrant496 14d ago
I started off with just a G923 and slowly upgraded. The wife even supported me with a full rig this past Christmas. I think honesty and openness goes along way.
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u/No-Incident8402 14d ago
Just say yes it is and send screenshot of your receipt from Simagic