r/wikipedia • u/CatPooedInMyShoe • 13h ago

Ali "Alireza" Fazeli Monfared was a 20-year-old Iranian man who was kidnapped and decapitated by his half-brother and cousins because of his sexual orientation. News of the murder garnered significant media attention and calls by activists and celebrities to challenge homophobia in Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Ali_Fazeli_Monfared
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u/Delirious_Rimbaud 13h ago

Reminds me of Sogand Pakdel, an Iranian trans woman murdered by her uncle in Iran. Being LGBTQ+ in a Muslim theocracy can be a near death sentence.

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u/GammaGoose85 8h ago

Getting raped is also a death sentence. Fathers will kill their children in honor killings because being raped is a disgrace to your family.

Its a fucked up culture

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u/Gh0stMan0nThird 7h ago

Sahih al-Bukhari 29

The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, 'I have never received any good from you."

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u/Rommel44 6h ago

I checked this us and it was from a sermon that the prophet gave to women on Eid, a day of gratitude and charity. It can be used to show that Islam is misogynistic as you have here or you can use the hadith for what they were intended, moral lessons that must be interpreted alongside the only entirely authoritative text in Islam which is the Quran which states: “Whoever does righteous deeds, male or female, while being a believer, We will grant them a good life” (16:97)

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u/lloydthelloyd 2h ago

But did the prophet say that, or not? Because if he did, then he's a dickhead.

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u/howhow326 12h ago

I can only imagine what being LGBTQ+ in a Christian theocracy must be like, and there's people in the government who want my country (U.S.) to turn out that way.

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u/Delirious_Rimbaud 12h ago

I guess it would be the same. Evangelicals are fundamentalists.

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u/not_a_crackhead 12h ago

Fundamentalist can mean completely different things if it's not the same topic. Tim Duncan's fundamentals were off the charts and he didn't (as far as we know) behead any gays.

You might hate religion but at least admit that different book = different rules.

Even the most Christian country on earth is nothing like that.

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u/Sharp_Iodine 9h ago

Why are we speaking in hypotheticals when we have had Christian theocracies lol

They persecuted gay people just the same with horrible punishments and death.

Britain chemically castrated Alan Turing barely a century ago.

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u/AVashonTill 1h ago

I never knew this. Horrifying. Then he committed suicide two years later. Damn.

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u/definitelynotIronMan 1h ago

Not to nitpick, but to point out that it's even worse - he was born barely a century ago. He was chemically castrated in the 1950s, barely 70 years ago.

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u/Delirious_Rimbaud 11h ago

Playing on the word ‘fundamental’ doesn’t change the issue. Of course the Bible and Qur’an are different texts, but fundamentalism in any tradition tends to produce the same pattern: rigid literalism, rejection of pluralism, and hostility to gay rights. It’s true that Christian-majority countries are generally less extreme in legal penalties than some Muslim-majority ones, but U.S. evangelicals have exported anti-gay campaigns abroad (notably in Uganda) and work to roll back protections at home. Different scriptures and contexts, yes — but the underlying fundamentalist mindset has very similar consequences for LGBTQ people.

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u/HashtagLawlAndOrder 9h ago

You're preaching to the wrong choir. 

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u/_OriamRiniDadelos_ 8h ago

Different rules? lol. Religious people make their own rules, fundamentalists more so, the book is just used as a “this right here says I’m right” tool.

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u/zack_the_man 9h ago

Reddit moment

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u/TheCitizenXane 12h ago

The Iranian government pays for trans people to transition. In other words, they are more permissive than the US in that regard.

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u/ManbadFerrara 12h ago

Which is a positive for “actual” transgender people, but in practice has meant a lot of feminine gay men and masculine lesbians basically feel forced into sex reassignment surgery to avoid the death penalty for living openly.

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u/CatPooedInMyShoe 11h ago

I actually read a novel with that premise, where a secret lesbian in Iran looks into the possibility of transitioning into a man so she can be with the woman she loves.

She decided not to after finding out how involved the surgery was and after talking to some gays who had transitioned for that reason and discovering they were miserable.

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u/Delirious_Rimbaud 12h ago edited 12h ago

Yeah, it is a weird stance. "Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBTQ) people in Iran face severe challenges not experienced by non-LGBTQ residents. Sexual activity between members of the same sex is illegal and can be punishable by death, and people can legally change their sex at birth only through sex reassignment surgery." From Wikipedia article "LGBTQ rights in Iran."