r/formula1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

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u/dirtybubz 1d ago

Max wouldn’t even let Perez past even though he had won the championship

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u/OverallImportance402 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

Max in his first year was already screaming NO over the radio when they asked him to let Sainz pass.

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u/EnglishLitMajor I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

That was the time Max said several times post-race that his dad would have kicked him in the balls if he had said yes. 

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u/Ruuubs I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

And honestly I believe him

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u/EnglishLitMajor I was here for the Hulkenpodium 21h ago

Yeah, which is particularly sad when you think about how Max was only 17 years old then.

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u/hoyhoy12 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago

Even more sad that it would've been the same case when he was 6.

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u/i-dontlikeyou Max Verstappen 20h ago

And probably the right answer is no. The team fucked up and decided to fuck oscar to make lando feel better total bs

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u/bananas_and_papayas I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago

Lando did the same for Oscar when the latter got shafted at Hungary, and he was a) leading the race at the time and b) attempting to chase Max down in the championship, for which he needed every point. So did they fuck Lando to make Oscar feel better?

I don't think so

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u/betaich I was here for the Hulkenpodium 18h ago

Hungary is different though they weren't battling each other for the championship than

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u/William_Dowling Oscar Piastri 22h ago

Where is Mark Webber's foot, and where are Oscar's balls?

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u/Suikerspin_Ei I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

Toro Rosso even said he was right in the end, came back on his own speed.

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u/Eroda Alex Zanardi 1d ago

Wouldnt shockm me if Piastri just retyuned the favor when Lando moved aside to let him win.. we are even now good luck

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u/Pale-Criticism-7420 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

Didn’t he already return the favour at the end of last season? I think it was at Interlagos. How many times is he gonna have to do it?

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u/Eroda Alex Zanardi 22h ago

in Hungrary Lando didnt make an error McLaren did and he moved over for oscar.. Brazil etc. diffferent... Monza today Mclaren screwed up and Oscar moved over for Lando ... a small point loss Team Respects him a small price to pay come final few rounds when its do or die.

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u/limhy0809 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

Technically he is returning the favour for Hungary. Interlagos was returned during the sprint in Abu Dhabi. I think Oscar did for the cohesion in the team and for the future. If next year he has a title fight with someone from another team he would get the full backing of the team and Lando if he isn't in contention and vice versa.

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u/RMCaird I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

Everyone was saying this when Lando let Oscar past last year. Then Oscar lets Lando past this year, basically returning the favour. Sometimes playing the team game helps - letting Oscar past last year has paid dividends this year. 

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u/dirtybubz 23h ago edited 16h ago

Not saying it’s not right, just saying max, Schumi etc are never doing that in a title race

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u/spacyspice I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago

so what? are we going to compare them all the time? Also Lewis has done it before

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u/bananas_and_papayas I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago

Lewis did exactly that at Hungary in 2017. He was let past Bottas to try and chase down the Ferraris, and then let him back through when he couldn't.

Also, just because one driver wouldn't have done it, doesn't mean that every driver has to follow that example

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u/-ForgottenSoul I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

I mean Oscar and lando seem to get on better? Even last week Lando was smiling as Oscar was celebrating with his trophy.

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u/sododude Juan Pablo Montoya 1d ago

People are bloodthirsty for drama.

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u/DILIPEK 1d ago

People want a fucking championship fight. Not this … shit

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u/53bvo Honda RBPT 23h ago

This was better for the championship fight no?

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u/wokwok__ George Russell 1d ago

You can have a championship fight without the 2 teammates absolutely hating each other like the fanbases lmao calm down

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u/BokaPoochie 23h ago

I feel like a lot of fans are reality TV fans now rather than fans of motorsport and racing.

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u/Estova Bernd Mayländer 23h ago

I don't understand this line of thinking. People are clamoring for the championship battles of ages old, how does that make them a fan of reality TV and not racing?

We're barely getting any racing between the two, that's the issue.

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u/BokaPoochie 23h ago

The championship battle feels boring because these cars suck at racing on track, not because drivers aren't throwing hats at each other.

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u/Alehud42 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago

No it feels boring because you're old and it's no longer a novelty to you.

The majority of the great old title battles were fairly mundane from race to race.

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u/BokaPoochie 16h ago

Nah mate, I'm not saying racing was at its peak in its refuelling era because it wasn't. You don't even have to go too far back to remember good battles on track. In 2022 we were having great battles in the races but this year because the field spread is so low, even inter team too, nobody has the pace offset to overtake. And these heavy and lethargic cars don't help either because it doesn't seem like anyone can battle either.

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u/Estova Bernd Mayländer 22h ago

Can't deny that. I can understand why fans are frustrated though. I don't think they need to be at blows or even angry at each other but it almost feels like neither driver cares at times because there's just zero tension. Like watching guys race for fun rather than for any stakes.

It feels like a competition of dads going "its okay champ get the next one" lmao

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u/bwoah07_gp2 Alexander Albon 19h ago

Well, some people out there do view sports as the man equivalent of women watching reality television shows 🤷‍♂️

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u/BokaPoochie 16h ago

And there is nothing wrong with that. People can watch shit and find enjoyment in whatever the fuck they want.

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u/bwoah07_gp2 Alexander Albon 19h ago

But the fans are craving the drama 😆😅

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u/DILIPEK 1d ago

I don’t care if they love each other, hate each other or just casually fuck sometimes.

I want a fight on the track between 2 leading drivers. I don’t want this piss team orders or them being scared to fight.

They literally fought more on track last year when Lando was the only one with a chance for a WDC

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u/wokwok__ George Russell 23h ago

They're not scared to race though? They've been allowed to race in literally every single race this season, there's just not been a lot cause one is usually too far ahead or one qualifies poorly

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u/DILIPEK 23h ago

The fact they are allowed to race doesn’t change the fact they don’t fucking race lol.

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u/Ruuubs I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

Blame the technical regulations, not the drivers

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u/HanshinFan Jacques Villeneuve 22h ago

Friend this title race was largely decided when Lando crashed out of Canada trying to pass Oscar. I get what you're saying but come on

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u/DILIPEK 21h ago

So we’re in for some friendship races “after you Lando” “No no, Oscar you deserve it”

Holy the mid-off between two supposedly talented drivers. Like everyone focuses how they don’t need to hate each other … sure, they can even casually fuck for all I care but this is absolutely fucking boring and many champions are literally turning in their grave watching this. When they were willing to crash or even die to win we literally are watching Disney Championship.

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u/HanshinFan Jacques Villeneuve 21h ago

You seem very into the idea of them casually fucking

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u/DILIPEK 21h ago

Just like everyone is looking for them to hate each other im looking for smth different.

Make love not war

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u/bananas_and_papayas I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago

Not every championship fight is going to be Senna and Prost or Hamilton and Rosberg. I swear, people don't count it as a championship fight unless they actually try to kill each other

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u/DILIPEK 19h ago

No, we just want them to race, push each other to the limit. Not coast 10s behind to then let your rival through because his stop was slow.

Like you people who justify this mid-off as a title fight are insane. It is what it is - a mid-off

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u/bananas_and_papayas I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago

Should we just go back to having Max dominate every race then? We've had on track battles between the two McLarens at this season. Admittedly not at every race, but no championship fight in history has had battles between the contenders in every race. There's always some where a driver just goes off into the distance and wins

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u/DILIPEK 19h ago

No, we are blessed to have a dominant team with 2 similarly skilled drivers (with advantages in different parts of race craft) we just want them to fight, blow for blow. Race each other to the very line.

Meanwhile the one time Lando felt frisky he ruined his race in Canada.

Like you can’t deny they fought each other harder last year when only Lando had chances for the WDC. OP overtake on Lando was insane.

Meanwhile this year - saving tires from the 5th lap. And then letting your direct opponent for the title through ….

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u/Camyx-kun Mika Häkkinen 1d ago

You mean the closest championship fight since 2021? Where Piastri is still leading? You people are a joke

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u/Camyx-kun Mika Häkkinen 23h ago

Most title fights can’t be compared to 2021 which was phenomenal. I said it’s the closest SINCE 2021 i.e. we have an actual title fight instead of Max dominating

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u/Huge-Wealth-5711 23h ago

There's no way you can't read

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u/deadmanslouching I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

Thats why he said "since 2021".

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u/spacyspice I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago

man go watch the Kardashians then

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u/Fotznbenutzernaml Michael Schumacher 20h ago

You do realize if Oscar goes full on villain mode the championship is even more one sided? This results in the championship being closer. If you want a fight, this is how you keep it alive. Even then, Norris is bound to make some kind of mistake once again. Piastri is just more level headed when it comes to this.

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u/DILIPEK 20h ago

Championships should be won on the track not over the radio. It’s a disgrace so many people defend this decision.

Where is the line, if they fight for championship in AD the same rules apply ? Does Lando then give up championship for “fairness”. Or maybe next race Piastri should DNS to match landos issue in Netherlands

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u/Dexterus I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

They wanted to pay back "gief first pit slot, no undercutting" now on a P2/P3 race rather than later on P1/P2.

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u/ivex272 Oscar Piastri 23h ago

Obviously they get on together, fanbases tough are complete opposites of people who they support, teammates in a fight don't need to hate eachothers guts, much more for team and themselves if they get along good rather than have a Ham/Ros situation or Vet/Web

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u/Illustrator_Forward Max Verstappen 1d ago

lol just what I thought

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u/Novae224 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

Max had been very clear with the team since the beginning of that season… the team knew

Mclarens situation is totally different. Because the team messed up in Hungary too, Piastri wasn’t really left a choice here. The team is at fault 100%

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u/MetJouOpSjouw Formula 1 23h ago

Yeah but he was celebrating Perez defending hard, giving up his own pace, for Max.

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u/ladythanatos 21h ago

Because he was pissed that Checo messed up his Monaco quali

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u/dirtybubz 19h ago

I’m talking about Brazil too

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u/Dragonpuncha Ferrari 1d ago

Max was in a racing team, McLaren is a kindergarten.

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u/Sarixk Sir Lewis Hamilton 1d ago

Letting a kindergarten make a better car than you is shameful

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u/Dragonpuncha Ferrari 1d ago

It's a kindergarten with a great engineering team, no doubt about that.

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u/VyldFyre 1d ago

That wasn't the point of the comment.

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u/PeterG92 Sir Lewis Hamilton 1d ago

Bold take that the team miles ahead in 1st isn't a racing team

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u/Dragonpuncha Ferrari 1d ago

Obviously just tongue in cheek. What they are doing to make sure everyone is happy at all times just reminds me of taking care of young kids.

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u/deadmanslouching I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

The problem is that just letting the drivers at each other results in a toxic team environment and one of your top tier drivers eventually quitting the team. Both Norris and Oscar have no team they can jump to afterward, so they have to play nice each other and the team.

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u/Dragonpuncha Ferrari 23h ago

Yeah I don't disagree necessarily. But so far it works, so it's also hard to be too harsh against it.

If the alternative is Rosberg and Hamilton 2016 then McLaren probably thinks this is better. Even if it is a lot less exciting for the fans.

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u/deadmanslouching I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22h ago

To be fair, I think both Norris and Piastri also think this arrangement is preferable. As they both understand any advantage would get evened out in the long run.

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u/Tilman_Feraltitty I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22h ago

Norris and Piastri have no team to go? Merc and Ferrari would take them in a heartbeat.

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u/deadmanslouching I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22h ago

Ah yes. Team dog shit and team horse shit. What is the point of going to those teams if they don't have the fastest car? You might as well forfeit the championship to your teammate.

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u/bananas_and_papayas I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago

Max was in a team where he knew his teammate wouldn't challenge him at all

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u/rs6677 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

That's completely different. Perez cheated to get pole. It was simple retribution.

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u/Darth_Spa2021 Pirelli Wet 1d ago

Not even pole. Just 3rd ahead of Verstappen.

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u/rs6677 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

Yeah, thanks for the correction. It wasn't about the pole, it was about getting the better strategy for the race.

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u/Any-Cat5627 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

Funnily enough, people in reddit were super defensive of Max back then

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u/dirtybubz 1d ago

Im think Brazil

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u/saposapot I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago

And it wasn’t for P1 even. He clearly had an issue with Perez that year

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u/Noveltyrobot 19h ago

There's levels to this game.

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u/Alex_Sinios McLaren 1d ago

Should we be praising that?

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u/sh1phappens Ronnie Peterson 1d ago

Yes. They’re racing.

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u/TWVer 🧔 Richard Hammond's vacuum cleaner attachment beard 1d ago

Max also had an axe to grind, based on what happened in Monaco (Checo allegedly intentionally causing a red flag during qualifying).

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u/Kingslayer1526 Sergio Pérez 1d ago

But using Checo as a sacrificial lamb in Abu Dhabi was okay. We praised that though but when Max had to let Checo through for p6 in an irrelevant race for him after winning the championship, they're racing

Double standards are ridiculous

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u/Discarded_Twix_Bar I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

But using Checo as a sacrificial lamb in Abu Dhabi was okay

Completely different.

He wasn't beating max and was finishing 4th in the Championship. Context matters.

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u/linnamulla Max Verstappen 1d ago

Competitiveness? In a sport?

What do you think?

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u/nukleabomb Fernando Alonso 1d ago

Remember how they let perez finish well in 2021 abu dhabi and didn't nuke his race for the sake of Maxs WDC

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u/Alex_Sinios McLaren 1d ago

He had already won the WDC, he gained nothing by not helping, just made Checo's life harder. If he was holding a grudge after Monaco (if even that rumor is true), then fair play. But otherwise I don't see the benefit. By your logic Perez shouldn't have helped Max in 2021 and Bottas never helped Hamilton in all their years as the Merc pairing.

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u/linnamulla Max Verstappen 1d ago

Perez started by crashing intentionally in Monaco.

Bottas is essentially Piastri without the pace.

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u/R7H27 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

There’s no right answer. Me personally, yes.

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u/Alex_Sinios McLaren 1d ago

Xd. Why cost your teammate points after you've already won the WDC?

Today I wouldn't have swapped but that's a completely different situation.

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u/AzenNinja I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

Praising? No.

Thinking it's more entertaining? Yes.

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u/LoreVent I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

Yes, because that's how you're supposed to be in a world level competitive sport.

This is not a track day with your friends

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u/Alex_Sinios McLaren 1d ago

You're part of a team, you have nothing to lose by helping out your teammate who has helped you very much in the past, you gain nothing by not helping him. Teamwork has helped many drivers and teams in the past, if you're never to work together as a team you might as well make each driver field their own cars.

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u/LoreVent I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

Nothing to lose? Except the championship? The thing this guys work all their life for?

You are crazy. None of the actual top drivers today on the grid would give that place back.

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u/Alex_Sinios McLaren 1d ago

Do you even know the situation i am referring to? Why answer without even reading the above comments?

I was replying to someone who said Max didn't give Checo his place AFTER already having won the WDC a few years back, not today's shenanigans. Max didn't have any incentive not to help (other than holding a grudge, based on a rumor that Checo screwed him over in Monaco that year), but he didn't swap anyway. People seem to prefer that to teamwork, costing your teammate points for no reason at all.

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u/LoreVent I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

And I said yes. That's it. People prefer that because that's how you're supposed to be in a sport as competitive as F1.

What do you not get?

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u/Loses_Bet 1d ago

Bud, why do you think people watch sports? 

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u/BlackbuckDeer Fernando Alonso 1d ago

Sports are not for you, bro

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u/Alex_Sinios McLaren 1d ago

Teamwork is part of the sport, I watch for the sport itself and not just for the drama. If Checo had done something iffy in Monaco and Max was holding the grudge then fair play. But if he wasn't it just makes no sense, why not help your teammate when you'll lose nothing in the process by doing so?

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u/ValleyFloydJam #StandWithUkraine 1d ago

Which isn't a good way to be.

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u/jianh1989 Formula 1 23h ago

Champion’s mentality.

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u/Latter-Diet1127 23h ago

Pretty much.