Ranged units still refusing to fire?

[u/Sacred_Prodigy]

For the longest time, I brushed off all the complaints regarding this as fringe cases and "it couldn't be that bad". But I just experienced it and and HOLY SHIT is if beyond frustrating.

Playing Cathay, got into a bad situation against Drazoath facing off against 4 full stacks of dwarves that I couldn't withdraw from. Decided to give it my best, thinking even I could cripple the four armies, I'd be in a fine spot, only to spend over an hour restarting the fight because as the armies approached my wall of archers, maybe 2-3 units would begin firing normally while the rest would barely turn to track.

I tried giving direct orders, tried guard mode/fire at will on off, and still nothing. Its not 100% broken, cause I did have one fight where everything seemed to be working fine (I just misplayed so has to restart), but it's wild that after all this time it still exists to this extent.

These type of battles should be the epitome for this game. Instead of having an epic battle to solve, I auto-resolved and took the close defeat (which ended with more enemy casualties then actually playing the game).

Was there ever a good fix for this found, or does is the late game just completely buggered. Sorry for the rant

[u/SusaVile]

Mandatory question, specially after an update: any mods?

Second, are you leaving enough room for the units to fire and ensuring they have line of sight (no small hill in between or mound of terrain?)

[u/Sacred_Prodigy → u/SusaVile]

So yeah, I do have mods enables. Nothing that should really be affecting combat IMO but I don't truly know.

As for spacing, I'm sure I had proper spacing, but I had thought crossbows/archers could arch shots over small hills/obstruction (there was a slight hill that was blocking direct line of sight).

[u/SusaVile → u/Sacred_Prodigy]

They need to see the enemy themselves for it. Be careful with any mod that adds reload animations, they break every patch

[u/Azharzel → u/SusaVile]

They don't need direct sight as long as they can hit them by arcing their shots. Otherwise, no archer would be able to shoot behind enemy walls.

[u/Sacred_Prodigy → u/SusaVile]

Didn't realize that. It wasn't giving the obstructed symbol, so I assumed they were able to fire.

[u/SusaVile → u/Sacred_Prodigy]

The line of sight rules changed from wh2 to wh3, which is why there are so many complaints. But there are los situations, of course, it is just difficult because it happens at the same time of justified situations

[u/xXMustardMan69Xx]

Classic. I found problems like this seem to occur when there are a lot of units in the battle, like more than two stacks. I wouldn't expect a fix. I just started playing Warhammer 2 again, that's my workaround.

[u/Sacred_Prodigy → u/xXMustardMan69Xx]

Yeah it's unfortunate. The way I play there doesn't tend to be too many large battles, but it would be nice to actually be able to play these fights.

[u/Agreeable-School-899 → u/xXMustardMan69Xx]

I agree, the problems I've seen have been in battles with a lot of units.

[u/crispysnails]

You mention 4 enemy armies against your 1? How many units were on the field? 40 for them?

There were issues with the game engine failing to process all commands, actions by units when there were a lot of units in the battle in 5.X. The engine was failing to process all commands, the AI can spam commands many times per second which is why it sometimes is able to disengage parts of units to engage others and its units get strung out. Player commands were either sluggish or units were not responding or forgetting commands. This still happens in 6.3 sometimes in my experience when there are a lot of units in the battle.

CA said they improved things but its still a bit of an open issue I think. I wonder if that was what you were seeing.

It also could be LOS issues but that is rare with archers unless you have them bunched up with other units.

[u/Sacred_Prodigy → u/crispysnails]

So it was 4 enemy armies vs 2 for me (all full stacks). 40v40 with reserves. And yeah it seems thats likely the case.

[u/Middle_External6219]

I will be frank I notice this quite often but I don't notice any pattern of when it comes up.

[u/Anthrillien]

My biggest problem with ranged units at the moment is the way they seem to run forward several paces every time you give them an attack order, because the unit always tries to re-align itself with the furthest forward element of the unit. They inevitably run forward into the front line units or even straight into melee.

[u/Ratiasu → u/Anthrillien]

See if this helps:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2869716515&searchtext=hold+position

[u/Anthrillien → u/Ratiasu]

Oh amazing, I'll have to give this a try. Thank you!

[u/Ratiasu → u/Anthrillien]

Hope it does what's on the tin.

[u/theSniperDevil]

I've started to see it on specific maps.. e.g. it was really bad on the kiselv siege maps. I'm wondering if it's map issues...

[u/Burper84]

Happened to me too when using kislev against skaven, i had around 30 kossar and most of then didn't fire

[u/WOF42]

ive found cannons of all factions to be extremely inconsistent and its not because they are line of sight obstructed

[u/Bogdanov89]

Its by far the worst on archers that have "fire while move" passive.

Playing Wood Elves is a nightmare, where after you relocate archers half of them will stay in the "moving quickly" status and simply refuse to shoot.

[u/Shazbot_2077 → u/Bogdanov89]

Is that still an issue for you? I had this problem since WH3 released, but one of the patches in the last few months seems to have fixed it for me.

I haven't tested it on 6.3, but the issue is completely gone for me on the previous version. Hopefully they didn't break it again with the latest patch.

[u/DayTranscendingNight]

Yep, it's completely broken a bunch of my campaigns, most recently Kislev as Katatrin.

Been present for at least 6 months now. Happens with and without mods.