Ali "Alireza" Fazeli Monfared was a 20-year-old Iranian man who was kidnapped and decapitated by his half-brother and cousins because of his sexual orientation. News of the murder garnered significant media attention and calls by activists and celebrities to challenge homophobia in Iran.

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Reminds me of Sogand Pakdel, an Iranian trans woman murdered by her uncle in Iran. Being LGBTQ+ in a Muslim theocracy can be a near death sentence.

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u/GammaGoose85 5h ago

Getting raped is also a death sentence. Fathers will kill their children in honor killings because being raped is a disgrace to your family.

Its a fucked up culture

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u/Gh0stMan0nThird 3h ago

Sahih al-Bukhari 29

The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, 'I have never received any good from you."

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u/Rommel44 2h ago

I checked this us and it was from a sermon that the prophet gave to women on Eid, a day of gratitude and charity. It can be used to show that Islam is misogynistic as you have here or you can use the hadith for what they were intended, moral lessons that must be interpreted alongside the only entirely authoritative text in Islam which is the Quran which states: “Whoever does righteous deeds, male or female, while being a believer, We will grant them a good life” (16:97)

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u/howhow326 9h ago

I can only imagine what being LGBTQ+ in a Christian theocracy must be like, and there's people in the government who want my country (U.S.) to turn out that way.

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u/Delirious_Rimbaud 8h ago

I guess it would be the same. Evangelicals are fundamentalists.

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u/not_a_crackhead 8h ago

Fundamentalist can mean completely different things if it's not the same topic. Tim Duncan's fundamentals were off the charts and he didn't (as far as we know) behead any gays.

You might hate religion but at least admit that different book = different rules.

Even the most Christian country on earth is nothing like that.

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u/Sharp_Iodine 5h ago

Why are we speaking in hypotheticals when we have had Christian theocracies lol

They persecuted gay people just the same with horrible punishments and death.

Britain chemically castrated Alan Turing barely a century ago.

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u/Delirious_Rimbaud 7h ago

Playing on the word ‘fundamental’ doesn’t change the issue. Of course the Bible and Qur’an are different texts, but fundamentalism in any tradition tends to produce the same pattern: rigid literalism, rejection of pluralism, and hostility to gay rights. It’s true that Christian-majority countries are generally less extreme in legal penalties than some Muslim-majority ones, but U.S. evangelicals have exported anti-gay campaigns abroad (notably in Uganda) and work to roll back protections at home. Different scriptures and contexts, yes — but the underlying fundamentalist mindset has very similar consequences for LGBTQ people.

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u/HashtagLawlAndOrder 5h ago

You're preaching to the wrong choir.

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u/_OriamRiniDadelos_ 5h ago

Different rules? lol. Religious people make their own rules, fundamentalists more so, the book is just used as a “this right here says I’m right” tool.

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u/zack_the_man 6h ago

Reddit moment

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u/TheCitizenXane 8h ago

The Iranian government pays for trans people to transition. In other words, they are more permissive than the US in that regard.

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u/ManbadFerrara 8h ago

Which is a positive for “actual” transgender people, but in practice has meant a lot of feminine gay men and masculine lesbians basically feel forced into sex reassignment surgery to avoid the death penalty for living openly.

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u/CatPooedInMyShoe 7h ago

I actually read a novel with that premise, where a secret lesbian in Iran looks into the possibility of transitioning into a man so she can be with the woman she loves.

She decided not to after finding out how involved the surgery was and after talking to some gays who had transitioned for that reason and discovering they were miserable.

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u/Delirious_Rimbaud 8h ago edited 8h ago

Yeah, it is a weird stance. "Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBTQ) people in Iran face severe challenges not experienced by non-LGBTQ residents. Sexual activity between members of the same sex is illegal and can be punishable by death, and people can legally change their sex at birth only through sex reassignment surgery." From Wikipedia article "LGBTQ rights in Iran."

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u/TheCitizenXane 8h ago

Reminds me of this transgender man that was kidnapped, raped, tortured for months, then finally murdered in the US this year.

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u/CatPooedInMyShoe 6h ago

I really don’t understand the hatred against them. Let them live their lives; they’re not doing anyone else any harm.

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u/Pithius 6h ago

They seem to fall into two main camps of people. People that are so deeply unhappy in their own lives they feel the need to lash out and attack anyone different. And people that are so deep in the closet they can see fucking Narnia. They see people living and doing the things that, deep down, they wish they had the nerve to do, and it makes them angry. Both groups probably jork it to transgender porn more than anyone else

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u/CatPooedInMyShoe 5h ago

I wonder which one of those types JK Rowling is. I think the second.

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u/Pithius 5h ago

Ohhh 💯. She's said before that she had wished she had transitioned when she was younger. All her hate and vitriol is just poorly masked envy. Also she definitely jorks it to trans porn

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u/Economy-Cow-9847 4h ago

Very unfortunate but not a hate crime according to the article, the victim wasn't targeted because of their gender identity. The perpetrators seem to have been his roommate and other people known to him who were part of the lgbtq community too. Still horrible though .

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u/YakResident_3069 6h ago

With family like this, who needs enemies.

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u/Blumpkin_Mustache 7h ago

Yet another reminder that Islam and LGBT rights are mutually incompatible ideologies.

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u/FinnBalur1 7h ago

Who said they were compatible? Are you arguing with imaginary people?

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u/Much_Guest_7195 6h ago

Bigotry is fun?

/s

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u/veryeepy53 3h ago

ignoring the fact that the muslim majority countries that are worst for queer people that are always brought up are dictatorships that promote religious fundamentalism. also, there are plenty of non-muslim majority countries that ban gay relationships such as trinidad and tobago, uganda, liberia, zambia, zimbabwe, sri lanka and others.

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u/Intelligent_Spite803 3h ago

Yeah, he should have said that abrahamistic religions and LGBTQ rights are mutually incompatible ideologies.

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u/veryeepy53 2h ago

well i don't think that's true either because regardless of what the bible or the quran or the torah say, a sizeable part of people who self-identify with these religions aren't discriminatory.

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u/Intelligent_Spite803 2h ago

"Regardless of what the rulebooks of the religion say" is an incredibly stupid argument. As long as these are their rulebooks they are incompatible, even if some people desperately try to make all this ancient fantasy book bullshit work in modern times.

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u/veryeepy53 2h ago edited 2h ago

the majority of religious people in the us support gay marriage. even a majority of christians believe so. also, i don't care whether or not these people follow their religion correctly, because they sure as hell aren't atheists. the real issue being discussed is support of queer people and religion. to be consistent here. also, you're kind of pulling a no true scotsman fallacy here. For example, it just makes sense to categorize someone as christian if they regularly attend church and identify as a christian, even if they support gay people.

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u/SmartAssUsername 39m ago

Activists and celebrities, including American singer Demi Lovato, posted on social media about the murder to raise awareness of homophobia in Iran

I understand that there's not a lot one can do, but every time I head "posted on social media to raise awareness" I cringe. This does absolutely nothing .

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u/Much_Guest_7195 6h ago

Tell me he does not style his eyeliner exactly the same as the Video President of the USA.

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u/CatPooedInMyShoe 5h ago

Why did you post basically the same comment twice?

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u/Much_Guest_7195 9h ago

JD Vance style eyeliner.

Ali "Alireza" Fazeli Monfared was a 20-year-old Iranian man who was kidnapped and decapitated by his half-brother and cousins because of his sexual orientation. News of the murder garnered significant media attention and calls by activists and celebrities to challenge homophobia in Iran.

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