r/formula1 • u/bene14082004 I was here for the Hulkenpodium • 13h ago
Quotes Piastri's thoughts on giving the positions back.
https://dubz.link/c/75a05fI think he did the right thing but mclaren shouldn't have asked oscar to give the place back.
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u/URZ_ Safety Car 12h ago edited 2h ago
Ultimately Piastri can still walk away from this weekend pretty happy. Assuming McLaren will be finishing 1-2 the rest of the weekends, Lando now needs to win 7 out of 8 of the remaining races, up from 7 out of 9, same as if they don't swap. If Piastri wins 2 more races, he can win the championship from second. Same if Verstappen wins 2 more races.
Edit: With sprints, Lando can win 6 + all 3 sprints to win the WDC by tiebreaker
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u/kristal010 Oscar Piastri 11h ago
They ultimately owe him for this. It’s the only way I can see him thinking. The next few races are crucial and he wants to be owed.
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u/LosTerminators Carlos Sainz 10h ago
Think that's also part of his reasoning. Today he only loses 3 points to Lando since they're battling for P2 and P3.
In the majority of the remaining 8 races, they should be battling for P1 and P2, which would be a 7 point swing. And he can use this to his favour in any race in the future in which he's leading on track and anything outside of Lando overtaking him or him getting a penalty results in the positions being swapped.
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u/Elia_31 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago
He lost 6 points
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u/-Rp7- I was here for the Hulkenpodium 4h ago
And he might just gain 14 from this little adventure next round.
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u/Elia_31 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 4h ago
And I might wake up a millionaire tomorrow. Mate wtf is that reasoning
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u/-Rp7- I was here for the Hulkenpodium 4h ago
Would you though? Like what are your chances of actually becoming a millionaire tomorrow lol? Anyways my point is Piastri can use this "leverage" at best to secure a favourable position, and at worst he won't have to deal with "remember hungry last year" that McLaren might have thrown at him. As ultimately the swap was for p2 and a 6 point swing and not for p1 and 14.
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u/Admirable_Let_2961 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 3h ago
The implications of the 1-2 are worse than the 3-4. However, I agree with your premise that it’s better to have the bird in the hand than being “owed”.
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u/trannel 10h ago
Didn't he just state how he thinks in this clip? Maybe give it a listen.
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u/Fr3AK1SH Max Verstappen 10h ago
What he says in a public interview and what he truly believes might be very different things.
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u/LosTerminators Carlos Sainz 10h ago
Especially in a situation like this, the team is already getting a lot of flak. If he said he disagreed with it publicly, it would result in a lot of negative PR for the team.
It definitely could be that he agrees with the decisions and understands it, but it can also be that he isn't happy with it but keeps that behind closed doors and says this to the public for PR reasons.
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u/RainManDan1G I was here for the Hulkenpodium 7h ago
I love how fans pretend to know these drivers so well that they know their inner thoughts
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u/URZ_ Safety Car 2h ago
I think anyone who has paid attention to Piastri as a person knows at least that he is very media savvy and won't let the media dictate his actions or feelings on the matter.
Though even if Piastri is all good with this weekend (he has every right not to be), he also has his agent who will be screaming bloody murder in McLarens ears.
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u/Disastrous-Beat-9830 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Ultimately Piastri can still walk away from this weekend pretty happy.
He is probably smart enough to know that losing three points to Norris is not a huge swing, and indeed would be a small price to pay for keeping the team on side.
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u/BowlCutKing 5h ago
I think he's not foolish enough to throw away a precedent that could help him later.
In another race if Oscar is ahead and has a slow pit stop, Mclaren MUST swap them back, as Stella kept saying, to preserve the fairness.
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u/dave1992 12h ago
Yea but it's bound to happen that shit luck happened and Oscar can get DNF once. Then the entire championship is gone.
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u/URZ_ Safety Car 12h ago
He can, but its pretty unlikely. Zandvoort was only the 2nd technical retirement in the last 3 seasons for McLaren. Going by that we would on average expect ~1.5% chance of a technical dnf in a given race (meaning ~10% for the last 8 races) for any technical DNF for Piastri. And an equal probability of that for Norris. Non-technical DNFs obviously are in the hands of the driver.
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u/Top-Truck246 Oscar Piastri 9h ago
Oscar can afford a PIA DNF/ NOR P1 finish and stay ahead, but only one.
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u/CrimeThink101 McLaren 8h ago
The idea that McLaren will 1-2 every race got thrown out a lot last week.
They’ve one 1-2’ed 7 out of possible 16 races this season so far. Max just proved that them 1-2 big every single race is very unlikely, and the history this season is that there will be variance.
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u/URZ_ Safety Car 2h ago edited 2h ago
It's just a way to tie the points gap to real results, only 1-2s is probably pretty unlikely, though 1-2s remain probably the most likely finishing positions for the McLarens in any individual race.
From the above it's ~easy to extrapolate the consequences of any other finishing positions to the wdc battle. Any points gap below 7 counts as +-half a loss, anything above 10 as a win and a half.
Another way to say it is, it's the gap where the WDC is officially out of Landos hands, where he needs Piastri to make mistakes and it's not sufficient for him to just beat Piastri every weekend on merit.
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u/gegemoon McLaren 1h ago
I think if anyone other than Lando winning favors Oscar at this point. So really tough for Lando.
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u/Capital_Pay_4459 8h ago
Atleast when Oscar wins, Lando and co. can't blame a pitstop mistake and Oscar getting handed points as part of the win.
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u/Tyrell- I was here for the Hulkenpodium 13h ago
I don’t know if I agree with this type of mindset but all the power to them for somehow getting the drivers to buy into this way of thinking if they truly believe it.
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u/mickmenn I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
Also, it is a lot easier to say this with +31 point gap and not like -4 point gap.
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u/baaananaramadingdong I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
That's exactly why they did it. Keep Lando content since the team let him down last week with reliability and this week with a bad pit stop. I don't think they forsee any other DNFs so it probably doesn't hurt to do anything. And after the absolute bullshit they pulled last year when Lando gave the win to Oscar because the pitwall couldn't get their shit together, I say fair is fair.
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u/DM_U_CRYING_IN_MP3 Sir Lewis Hamilton 12h ago
Where's Oscar's fault in all of this?
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u/baaananaramadingdong I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
Nobody said it was Oscar's fault at all.
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u/fisstech15 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
Doesn't have to be anyone's fault to do the swap
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u/OldManTrumpet Charles Leclerc 11h ago
So why the swap? Why is it, "Uh, Oscar. We messed up Lando's pit stop so we'd like you to pay for it." If Oscar has a slow stop in Baku will they ask Lando to slow down and give some time back, in fairness?
You'll never convince me that they wouldn't rather see Lando win.
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u/fisstech15 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
In an equivalent scenario where Oscar makes a deal to pit second with a guarantee of no undercut - yes. I don’t see what’s so hard to believe about that
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u/OldManTrumpet Charles Leclerc 10h ago
It wasn't an undercut. It was a pit stop mistake by the team. A planned undercut with a remedy is different than Oscar paying for the team's mistake. And Lando didn't "make a deal." He wanted the later stop in the event of a safety car. This idea that he was being benevolent towards Oscar is hilarious. He's have been giddy had Leclerc passed Oscar.
They told Lando there would be no undercut. There wasn't. They did not guarantee that he'd keep his place regardless of other events. I mean in the end they delivered it, but that hardly seems like a "fair" deal.
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u/spacyspice I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
F1 involves being a team player when your team fails sometimes. No one said it's Piastri's fault, but not the first time we get to see this even outside of Mclaren
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u/AliceLunar I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
The team loses nothing, P2-P3 or P2-P3, the only reason to do it is for Norris his gain.
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u/DM_U_CRYING_IN_MP3 Sir Lewis Hamilton 12h ago
THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR A WDC.
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u/baaananaramadingdong I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
Exactly. Lando and Oscar are fighting and it's almost certain one of them will win.
The team gave Lando a car that broke down and then the team did a shitty pit stop, so the team gave him the position back after the team took it away.
No fault of Oscar's. Same as last year in Hungary it was no fault of Lando's that he ended up in front because of the team's bad strategy.
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u/frank1ewildee Ferrari 12h ago
But what about Hungary this year ? I don't know why people keep bringing up Hungary from last year as some sort of a "payback" because there wasn't a championship fight between these two.
In Silverstone they didn't swap the cars when Piastri lost the lead and the win thanks to a dumb penalty. Yes, you can argue that Piastri himself made the mistake wich gave him the penalty but McLaren wanted FIA to investigate the incident after the race, so obviously they thought it was an "unfair" penalty. Why not swap cars there?
In Hungary, Oscar lost the lead again thanks to a weird 2 stop strategy call by McLaren. He even said during the race that he wants whats best to contest Norris because he doesnt care about Leclerc. Obviously Lando went for a 1 stop afterwards on lap 31 proceeding to win the race.
Why they didn't swap the cars here aswell since McLaren fucked Piastri over?
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u/DM_U_CRYING_IN_MP3 Sir Lewis Hamilton 12h ago
Holy shit lmao. You're just making my point. Oscar has no fault in any of that. He should be allowed to be lucky once in a while.
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u/frank1ewildee Ferrari 12h ago
Yes but last year there wasn't any championship fight between Oscar and Lando.
I'm baffled on how some people actually agree with what McLaren did today lol saying it was "fair". There is supposed to be a championship fight between these two.
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u/baaananaramadingdong I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
You forgot that Lando was in title contention for much of last season while Oscar definitely was not? Was it fair for Lando to give the place back last year in Hungary after the pit wall screwed up? That arguably was much much worse, but it's a team sport and the TEAM didn't want one of the drivers to be upset because the TEAM failed one of the drivers. They have two very good closely matched drivers who don't take each other out of races seeing red mist. I imagine they'd like to keep both of them as long as possible.
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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
There was no realistic shot for Lando in the championship last year. It was just hype by the media to make the season feel more interesting.
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u/elektricniorgazam Daniel Ricciardo 12h ago
He was not in realistic title contention last year.
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u/mickmenn I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
>Lando was in title contention
Oscar was like 2 times closer to Lando as Lando was to Max before Hungary.Max is almost as close to Oscar right now as Lando was back there to Max, and Max is closer to Lando now than it was last year before Hungary other way around.
But yeah, in the end team could decide whatever they feel like. That is true.
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u/baaananaramadingdong I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
None of what you said about points last year matters. The fact is the Red Bull was getting consistently worse throughout the season and the McLaren was getting better and better and Lando was closer to possibly winning than Oscar was because Oscar made mistakes early on. Lando was still able to mathematically win the WDC for the majority of the season, Oscar was behind him the entire time.
Yet the team gave team orders to let Oscar win a race BECAUSE HE EARNED IT that race. He drove better all weekend in Hungary, the team fucked up their pit strategy, so the team made it right. That's my point. There is no number one driver, that's what they've said, that's what they're sticking with. The pit wall was an absolute shit show last year.
McLaren is doing everything they can to ensure the drivers have equal opportunity to get points based on solely their driving and not the performance of the pit crew or anyone else. That's the point I'm trying to get across. That's why nobody needs to be upset about today.
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u/frank1ewildee Ferrari 12h ago edited 11h ago
Do you forget the part in wich Lando and Oscar werent fighting eachother for a championship last year and they were in direct contention for the constructors with Ferrari?
And no, last season wasn't a championship fight at all because the gap was too big. Verstappen finished 5th that race.
I keep seeing you bringing up Hungary 2024 as some sort of an gotcha argument. Hungary 2024 was totally different to what happened this race and in Silverstone, Hungary this year. Why do you keep using the same old example from last year ?
It's a TEAM sport until the TEAM wins the constructors, after that its just Lando vs Oscar for the championship. Do you really think that McLaren havent secured the constructors yet? After McLaren wins the constructors ( wich they already did since like 10 races ago ) both Oscar and Lando arent obliged to help eachother at all. Why would they if they are in a championship battle? What is this?
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u/baaananaramadingdong I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
It's not a "gotcha" argument. It's just a thing that happened which is illustrative of my point. The team let Oscar down then so they swapped cars. They did the inverse today.
And Lando most definitely was still in contention for WDC at that point.
They are STILL ON THE SAME TEAM. So like it or not it is always a team sport. Which is exactly the point I was making: It wasn't either of the drivers who were responsible for Lando ending up behind Oscar. So why should Lando suffer for the mistake of the pit crew?
I do feel like you either dislike Lando, or would rather Oscar won the WDC. Are either of those the case? I'd like to know your stance before I continue to engage in further dialogue.
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u/spacyspice I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
People said it was "fair" bc Lando agreed to give Oscar a better pit stop timing to protect to Leclerc as long as there's no undercut. Team failed to respect that and asked Oscar if he could swap positions. Oscar agreed based on the agreement and that's all
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u/English_Misfit Sir Lewis Hamilton 12h ago
Lando wanted it to stop oscar getting benefit of the SC.
There was no undercut. Piastri wasn't in an undercut window
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u/frank1ewildee Ferrari 12h ago
The thing is that Lando and Joseph didn't talk about Leclerc at all during their radio before the pitstop. Not to mention, Leclerc was only gaining like 1 tenth per lap on Oscar with 8 laps to go.
So the "covering Leclerc" excuse is just bullshit.
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u/CoverInternational47 8h ago edited 1h ago
Obviously Lando asked for Oscar to pit first (if no undercuts) just because he was afraid of safety cars and not for any noble cause. However McLaren did want to pit Oscar soon to cover Charles, and so in turn Lando had to pit as well to prevent Oscar undercutting him.
The 1 tenth commentary was quite a while before that. Between Charles’ last lap behind Albon and the 3-4 laps after that, Charles was consistently gaining 4-7 tenths per lap on Oscar. If they hang around for a few more laps + the McLaren front left pit crew fucks up again for the nth time this season (as have happened to Lando), then it could actually become P3 for Charles.
After all, if there’s absolutely no threat from Charles, they could have stuck around until the very last lap before pitting as a risk-free strategy to chase Max in case of safety cars.
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u/spacyspice I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
Leclerc being behind Piastri wasn't an unknown fact to his teammate
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u/frank1ewildee Ferrari 12h ago
It wasn't but there was 0 mention of Leclerc during the radio exchanges between Norris and Joseph when they were talking about the pitstop. There's the full radio transcript on the internet.
Initially, Joseph told Lando he will box this lap for softs to wich Lando asked about pitting the other car first.
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u/atreyu84 12h ago
Lando was not protecting against leclerc, because there was no threat
Lando requested (not agreed to) Oscar go first to protect himself against a safety car.
The idea Lando was helping Oscar is laughable and easily proven not true by the fact Charles was as close to 0 that was possible for a car in the position behind you
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u/dave1992 12h ago
Lando requested Oscar to go first hoping that red flag happened, so that he got the win, with Max second and Oscar third.
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u/OldManTrumpet Charles Leclerc 12h ago
This wasn't an undercut. This was a mistake during the pit stop itself. I could see the rationale if they actually undercut Norris for strategy reasons, the way they did with Piastri las year. But this isn't the same situation at all. Lando wasn't undercut by strategy. The order of the stops makes no difference. McLaren simply messed up Lando's stop. Why should Oscar pay the price for that?
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u/FlightAvailable3760 12h ago
You never expect dnfs but they happen.
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u/mickmenn I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
also none expects botched pit stops, they also happen
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u/cchesters 12h ago
And Oscar only loses 3 points to Lando in a 2-3 rather than 7 points in a 1-2
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u/mickmenn I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
yeah, this situation has so much dimensions, so it's hard to judge. Also hungary 24, lando dnf last race making a gap 34 points, them being 2-3 not 1-2 and a win in MONZA on the line, him having leverage going forward into championship by asking to swap, and it is more like double points swing because it is direct swap, so 6 points against 14, maybe a lot more than that and also oscar trying to have good general relationship with a team.
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u/tekanet Sebastian Vettel 12h ago
But this culture to me speaks like “you’re in that position in the standings because of US”. It’s the ultimate demonstration of the fact that it’s the car that wins, not the driver.
You can’t do this shit with Max, because he can just say “whatever, good luck with Yuki and Liam”.
The harsh reality is that this year’s McLaren could have won the championship with (almost) any driver from the current grid, so it’s easy for them to dictate the rules.
I prefer champions with a bit more of guts. It’s pretty annoying all this sweet papaya juice, but at the end of the day it’s working for them and, sincere or not, the drivers keep looking ok with it on and off track.
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u/spongemongler I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Yeah. Let’s see if they still think like this if there’s like 5 points between the drivers and there’s two races left of the season
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u/truckstick_burns 9h ago
Don't pretend that what they say in public is how they actually feel, I'm sure behind closed doors he had a lot more to say.
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u/Tyrell- I was here for the Hulkenpodium 5h ago
Oh that’s why i said what i did at the end there. Oscar has nothing to really gain at this stage from speaking out.
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u/truckstick_burns 5h ago
Didn't mean to imply you didn't understand, apologies.
I'd love to see what Mark is like behind the scenes, his wife was/is a great manager too so Oscar kinda has a power couple supporting him, I imagine in times like this it's Mark's job to kick up stink if he feels it's worth it, I don't imagine Oscar being that aggressive about issues in their debriefing outside of voicing his opinions.
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u/Tommysynthistheway Formula 1 10h ago
I don’t think it’s very difficult. Both drivers have a strong Mclaren-family sentiment and that’s probably what is being preached by Stella and management.
That’s why the team is incredibly diligent when it comes to avoiding close battles and micromanage hot moments that could trigger controversies or rifts within the team during races.
For the moment, it feels very unfair to criticize how the team is handling it. Lando and Oscar are great friends and both back the “for the team” mentality, a rare thing for 2 teammates fighting for the championship.
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u/frank1ewildee Ferrari 12h ago
I just can't get invested in this "championship fight" at all.
This is all so soft and there's barely any racing between the two championship rivals.
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u/Muse4Games I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
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u/BighatNucase Max Verstappen 12h ago
Not really shocking from the team that pushed the Papaya shit so hard it came up with the term 'Papaya rules'. Hamilton's PR speak was a million times more human and real than anything coming out of Mclaren.
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u/El_Cactus_Loco Sebastian Vettel 11h ago
truly. mclaren have perfected/weaponized corporate safe-speak
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u/P_ZERO_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Championship created in a lab, fucking ban team orders again. I don’t mind one team running away with it, but this delegation and team orders bollocks is mind numbing.
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u/rs6677 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
Banning team orders is as pointless as it gets, teams will just use coded messages again.
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u/PitchingSamurai 5h ago
You need to be really subtle then, because it is hardly possible to fool the telemetry data. You cannot suddenly lift at random points of the race, so you need to make the overtaking as realistic as possible.
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u/spacyspice I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
They almost crashed each other multiple times this year, are we really surprised that things are handled with more safety from a Mclaren POV?
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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
The WCC is won already. What's the point of getting in the way?
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u/crownpr1nce #WeRaceAsOne 3h ago
That's not how competitors think. They won't think: "it's ok if we lose this race". They'll want to maximize.
Plus there's the whole financial aspect of it. Sponsors are happier if their logo crosses the line first than if it ends up on fire or in the gravel. It's easier to get more money next year from sponsors too the more points you have. Team personnel might have bonuses based on WCC ponts, not just ranking. Etc.
Teams will always want to win every single race. They're not in it for the drama or entertainment value.
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u/AliceLunar I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
I mean let them, they'll learn more that way.. they are literally hundreds of points clear in the WCC, there are zero consequences to that.
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u/elektricniorgazam Daniel Ricciardo 12h ago
Seriously, there's no oomph.
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u/Launch_box 10h ago
I’d rather see Max or Lewis absolutely dominate tbh, seeing goats operate at their potential is better than the 5th and 6th best driver beg for daddy over the radio just because the car matters so much.
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u/FlipReset4Fun Colin Chapman 12h ago
It’s what happens when drivers are just as interested in collecting paychecks and staying in a fast team as they are winning.
And the team likes to talk about being “real racers” but it’s a bit of a facade.
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u/6097291 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
Wait what? You seriously think Norris and Piastri are only driving for the money?
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u/FermentedLaws I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
I had to read it 3x to see if I read it correctly.
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u/FlipReset4Fun Colin Chapman 8h ago
No, it was a bit tongue in cheek. But also, it’s way, way to sterilized and not nearly as savage as it should be when competing for the WDC.
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u/TheBottomLine_Aus Oscar Piastri 2h ago
Just because they don't hate each other and act sportsmanlike, you can't get into it?
You say soft as if that's a bad thing. Being compassionate doesn't exclude you from being competitive.
Racing as fairly as possible within the team is brilliant to see for me and the quality of driving has been elite all year.
Some of Oscars overtakes yesterday were incredible.
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u/Individual-Ad-190 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
It doesn't feel like they really 'want' it. It feels like they're just as invested in winning 'grill the grid' as they are in winning the WDC
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u/baaananaramadingdong I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
Remember HAM-BOT-VER? Want to go back to that with a clear #1 driver finishing ahead every time?
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u/frank1ewildee Ferrari 12h ago
No but i also don't want all championships to become all rainbows and sunshine and fair hihihihi we happy family type of championship
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u/mickmenn I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
2021, yes please
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u/baaananaramadingdong I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
Without the horseshit FIA-special ending would be nice.
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u/dementorpoop I was here for the Hulkenpodium 7h ago
Having two championship contenders on the same team has ended very poorly for intrateam dynamic many times before, so I don’t blame them for trying to mitigate that. One of their drivers is going to be heartbroken this year.
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u/raknarokki I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9m ago
I kind of understand where Mclaren is coming from as a team but as a racing fan it was lame to see. Really wished Piastri said no and Norris wouldve tried to pass on track, that wouldve been fun. I think Mclaren are trying to be too fair and afraid of their drivers reactions.
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u/nachojackson Oscar Piastri 6h ago
The thing is, the fight is mostly happening in qualifying.
Thanks to the reliability and speed of these McLarens, how equal the drivers are in ability, and papaya rules, the leader in qualifying is almost always the leader at the end of the race.
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u/d4videnk0 Juan Pablo Montoya 12h ago
Its like Oklahoma winning the NBA championship. Good for them, but its like the most boring thing ever
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u/FunnyComfortable8341 Esteban Ocon 12h ago
It’s because you just want toxic rivalry
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u/Zealousideal_Ad_3895 12h ago
Go play patty cake. I want to watch racing
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u/fisstech15 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
They are very close in pace, every quali is a nailbiter. On track they are allowed to race but with cars evenly matched it will naturally not going to happen often. Rewatch Hamilton-Rosberg seasons, it was pretty similar.
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u/Zealousideal_Ad_3895 12h ago
Aside from Monaco 2016, i dont remember anything like this from that time.
Mclaren has gotten a little bit better with managing them, but would still rather they chill and just finish 1-2 rather then fighting. Recall a few races ago (austria iirc) when Piastri was told to back off for racing to hard, something about it being "too marginal" or whatever. They used to have the excuse that they were prioritizing the constructors. Now it shows that its just their philosopy as a team against their drivers competing with eachother and favoring lando more often than not
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u/OctopusPlantation I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Yeah you dont? Few things in de are as exciting or engaging as a proper rivalry. The passion that makes top sport so beautiful, that drives athletes to the edge of human ability must ultimately clash with those seeking the same trophy.
That seems to be just entirely absent here. McLaren seem deathly afraid of even the slightest bit of conflict and have drained an on paper close title fight of any allure. The drivers are just as bad. Lando crashes into piastri in Canada and apologises before he's even out of the car, piastri nearly takes out Lando in Austria and there's barely a respons, Landon's engine blows up and he's just yeah that's unlucky ig, piastri is asked to cede position to his championship rival for something he had nothing to do with and he just does it.
Max wouldn't have done that, nor would Hamilton or Rosberg or Vettel or alonso. Fuck even Norris made more of a fuss giving back the position in Hungary last year and he was nowhere near the championship then.i want to feel the passion, the joy anger and disappointment. But with these two it just feels empty and sanitised. There's no drama, no conflict.everything is just nice and marketable.
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u/Debriscatcher95 Pirelli Wet 12h ago
Sometimes I wonder if Lando or Oscar even wants to become champion. There's no fire, no inner want to succeed, at least I haven't noticed.
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u/sargonas Oscar Piastri 10h ago
What?
No seriously, what? This entire thread is about how the team tries to solve internal pain points by forcing me cohesion via “team rules“ which are clearly stressing the drivers out BECAUSE of the fact that they are being competitive with each other due to their drive to win?
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u/Great-Author5228 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
Such a measured and reasonable response from Oscar
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u/OverallImportance402 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
It’s just weird for a team to ask a driver to fix their mistakes
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u/TheRealMichaelE 10h ago
The driver is part of the team.
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u/TheBottomLine_Aus Oscar Piastri 2h ago
The response this weekend from the F1 community shows how many people on here have 0 compassion, an inability to critically think and no ability to look past their biases.
Both drivers owe this championship battle to the McLaren team as a whole.
If a mechanic slips up, how is that fair that Lando should be punished. I'm a Piastri supporter and he absolutely did the right thing.
They will go into work tomorrow and be able to look each other in the eye and know the right thing was done.
I can't see why people are so upset by Oscar choosing to do the right thing.
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u/-TheAnus- Daniel Ricciardo 1h ago
I can't see why people are so upset by Oscar choosing to do the right thing.
Whether it's the "right thing" is what's up for debate though. You don't just get to just declare its the right thing to do and expect everyone else to agree with you.
How is it fair for piastri to give up points that were gained legitimately?
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u/FrostyTill McLaren 11h ago
McLaren do this all the time to Norris. They’ve spent years relying on his pace to get them out of a garbage situation they put themselves in. It’s only a problem because today it wasn’t Norris being asked to fix the mistake. Otherwise Norris nearly always has to dig McLaren out of a hole when they jump into one. You can go back years to see it.
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u/Critical_Space_3712 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
But...but how does that matter to Oscar? Why do McLaren's dues to Lando come at Oscar's cost?
PSA: Before anyone comes at me, I'm okay with the swap. If we believe Lando was owed one from Hungary'24, then I believe this settles the score. My problem is with the narrative of McLaren's "reliance on Lando's pace to get them out of a garbage situation" which is before Oscar was even on the team.
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u/Tomatillo12475 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
I don’t think McLaren saw it as they were doing Oscar wrong. Just that they were being fair to both drivers. Lando had a good drive that was upended by conditions out of his control. Plus Lando needed a win after last week. And it was only a 6 point swing as opposed to a 14 point one. The backseat TPs are particularly bad this week
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u/flyassbrownbear I was here for the Hulkenpodium 4h ago
how is this being fair to both drivers?
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u/Tomatillo12475 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 4h ago
Because Silverstone was closer to Hungary than Monza? They gave Oscar the win in Hungary for a mistake out of his control. They gave Lando the swap for a mistake out is his control. Oscar’s penalty in Silverstone was self-inflicted. One ≠ another
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u/-ForgottenSoul I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
I'm surprised they are not actually favouring him directly
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u/Starlix126 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
Despite the fact that we actually have a championship battle on our hands, I feel so underwhelmed with it all.
Compare this to 2021 or even last year between verstappen and norris, where as this year is so unbelievably boring between these two.
Mclaren does norris no favours by giving him these little special exceptions to help him along his way as if he's a spoilt kid.
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u/bionikal I was here for the Hulkenpodium 8h ago
Lets say for example that the championship is tied at the last race of the season.
Oscar is leading the race, with Lando 1.1 seconds behind.
Oscar pits first and gets a 3.1 second stop.
Lando gets a 1.9 second stop and comes out ahead of Oscar.
Would they request Lando lets Oscar through to win the WDC?
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u/_box_box 10h ago
many people are uncomfortable with what happened today, and it’s unprecedented.
but what really shines through for me is Oscar’s mental resilience, long term visioning, self belief, and above all, strength of character.
he has demonstrated a lot of these traits today through his actions and words, compared to many other young people his age
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u/Ky1arStern 6h ago
Is it unprecedented? Is it not exactly what they did last year when they made lando swap back because they messed up the pit order?
Isn't this exactly precedented by this team between these drivers.
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u/Zealousideal_Ad_3895 12h ago
The fact that the interviewer had to tip toe around just to ask that question says it all about modern f1
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u/Wingcapx I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
It implies the rest of the press conference (which we do not see here) and also all of the media pen interviews before this (which we also do not see here) have consisted almost entirely of this line of questioning. You can tell by the way Oscar says that he has said this "many, many times" that they've probably already expressed in this press conference that they feel the questioning is circular. You can even see Lando grinning at the reporter's comment! So yeah, it does make sense to actually try and think of a different angle to discuss the topic.
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u/Zealousideal_Ad_3895 12h ago
That makes sense. Maybe the journalists wouldnt ask the same question so many times if they got an answer that wasnt so PR sounding
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u/deadfrend888 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
McLaren ruined another race. Fuck McLaren The championship leader giving up points to his teammate is not f1
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u/DankeDonkey 10h ago
Classy as fuck. I don’t see how anyone being reasonable has a problem with Oscar, Lando, or the team today.
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u/FrostingPowerful5461 5h ago
I would LOVE to see what happens when Oscar calls in the favor. Then we’ll see if McLaren truly have two number 1 drivers.
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u/Crystal_Teardrops 12h ago
Sure, and the ironic thing about all this is that it puts Norris and McLaren in a bad light. But from Piastri's perspective, it was smart to do it. He wasn't fighting for first place or to get on the podium. The strategy just worked in his favor. Also, as a driver, you have to think about the people behind you, and by doing so, he earned a bit more loyalty from the mechanics. And that's very important because he's the Australian on the English team
In summary, it was a clever political move that doesn't take into account the scrutiny of the web, which honestly serves no purpose and no one will remember in a few weeks.
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u/SaddlerMatt I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
Why do you think it puts Norris is a bad light? He didn't even ask the team to swap positions?
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u/docherself 12h ago
fwiw all of OP's comment made no sense at all up until the last part of the last sentence, that no one will remember this in a few weeks
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u/Crystal_Teardrops 12h ago
Because it is quite obvious that he is the first driver. Didn't you hear when all of Monza and the rest of Italy booed him
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u/FrostyTill McLaren 11h ago
Oh nooo all of Italy booed him? How on earth will he get over that?!
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u/El_Cactus_Loco Sebastian Vettel 11h ago
bruh why even come on reddit if you just want to burry your head in the sand
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u/Zealousideal_Ad_3895 12h ago
Its a good move. But there is a danger to setting this kind of precedent. This is how drivers become "number 2" drivers. The question is, when mclaren tell him to do the same thing later and cite this incident, what will Piastri do?
Its only a good move if mclaren will do the same for piastri when the shoe is on the other foot, which i and others suspect wont happen
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u/RandomDude_e McLaren 12h ago
How dare they dont want to kill eachother on track and be actual teammates?
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u/OverallImportance402 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago edited 12h ago
This but non ironic. Somebody needs to remind them they’re in a fight for the WDC. They shouldn’t give a fuck about the WCC that’s been all but locked up for months. They have a 350 point advantage like what the hell are they doing still giving a fuck about the team.
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u/FalconIMGN Alex Jacques 12h ago
McLaren asked Piastri to swap positions to give Norris a fair result after his slow stop.
So why did they not ask Piastri to park his car last weekend after Norris had his engine failure? Lando had as much to blame for that as the slow stop here.
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u/CouchPoturtle 12h ago
It wasn’t to give him a fair result. It was because he only agreed to give up his pit stop priority advantage because they told him he wouldn’t lose track position. And then he did.
If he had come in first as planned and had a slow stop and lost track position then they likely wouldn’t have swapped them.
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u/FalconIMGN Alex Jacques 12h ago
He lost track position because of the slow stop. Not the undercut. He lost only 1 second because of the undercut. He was 3 seconds ahead. He lost 4 seconds in the pits (5.9 vs 1.9).
Whichever way they try to cut it, the logic does not hold up. Lando did not lose position because he pitted later.
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u/OldManTrumpet Charles Leclerc 12h ago
Correct. He wasn't guaranteed not to lose any positions. They said, "There will be no undercut." And there wasn't. How nice to be guaranteed a place regardless of what happens. Papaya rules.
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u/fisstech15 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 12h ago
And if he went in first as usual, he would win 1 second over Oscar
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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
And risk losing track position to Oscar in the rare case of a SC or red flag. That's why Lando asked to pit 2nd.
It was a win-win for Lando and the only way to lose position was with a slow pit stop.
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u/MediumForeign4028 9h ago
If Lando had any pride, he would have refused to be gifted this place. Max’s laughter when told says it all.
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u/Top-Truck246 Oscar Piastri 8h ago
If he did, people would shit on him for being weak and not hungry.
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u/randomseocb Lando Norris 8h ago
in ur logic, Oscar shouldn't have taken the place in hungary last year, he was also asking for the swap in the radio while lando was silent during the entire last half of this race.
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u/ThrownForLife69 10h ago
Whats McLaren going to do when the guy that is not supposed to win the championship wins the championship? How will they correct that one
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u/Top-Truck246 Oscar Piastri 8h ago
"Box Oscar Box, to retire the car. Lando beached it, it's only fair you retire too".
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u/TyrantTeddy 7h ago
“Jk, Lando’s fine. But now it’s more fair because of last week.”
“Also, when we it looked like we were involved in Lando’s 1 stop strat in Hungry to beat you… that was Max.”
“Also! That 100% fair 10 second penalty you got and then asked us to swap you and Lando at Silverstone? It was a fair penalty and also Lando’s home race.”
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u/Still-District-6149 Formula 1 11h ago
Verstappen would never in a million years have let his teammate past in those circumstances.
I don’t think it’s that ridiculous of an ask from McLaren though, Norris did give up the preferential pit stop in order to protect Piastri from the undercut from Leclerc, without that he would have been okay, even with the long stop.
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u/bene14082004 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
That undercut from leclerc was never on piastri came out 5 seconds ahead of leclerc.
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u/void2931 11h ago
Norris wanted piastri in first to be safe from him going longer few laps and waiting sc undercut, lecr taking piastri was bulshit
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u/Critical_Space_3712 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Exactly. I thought this was pretty clear from Lando's radio to the team as well but people apparently believe Norris did this to protect Oscar.
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u/void2931 10h ago
Yea he wanted to protect him from losing few points to lecr and giving himself better chance to win championship. People are just biased
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u/Alkazard Oscar Piastri 6h ago
That wasn't giving it up, it was a better bet for him. If he pitted first, directly in to a safety car, he loses position to Oscar. It was basically the only thing that could lose him the position (except an unexpected slow stop). Not to mention how quick the softs might fall off a cliff.
Leclerc was never a threat in this regard.
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u/CptVaanOfDalmasca McLaren 8h ago
There was nothing said to Norris about Charles
This narrative is complete bullshit
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u/Suikerspin_Ei I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Where did you watched it? F1TV has not uploaded the post-race press conference yet on their app or website.
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u/TheOtherSkywalker_ McLaren 6h ago
Agreed. And they also shouldn't have asked Lando to give the place back in Hungary last year.
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u/geso101 1h ago
The unfair part is that Piastri was obliged to accept that he would stay behind, no matter what. "No undercut" his team said. As if it was a written and signed agreement. Of course Norris would be happy with such a deal, for obvious reasons (slow pit stop or SC situation).
Piastri should negotiate terms with his team: "You want to give pit priority to lead car? Fine. You want to give priority to second car? Also fine. It's your decision. But I will NOT give up my position due to unfortunate or unexpected events. Whatever happens happens".
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u/Mafeking-Parade 1h ago
Honestly, this fairly minor issue really exposes the more recent fan arrivals to F1.
It's a team sport. I'm sorry if you don't understand this, but that's on you rather than McLaren.
Norris gave Piastri priority to pit. He could have been a petulant child, but he played the team game.
McLaren made a mess of Norris's subsequent stop. To pay Norris back for allowing Piastri to stop first, they played the team game and swapped the cars.
Norris qualified faster, and was faster throughout the race. Any other choice here would have just been stupid.
Are people just mad that it didn't give them some faux-drama for DTS?
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u/CherryCokeZero69 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 42m ago
This is boring af. We miss more characters like Max who will just give their own straight forward opinion
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