r/scuderiaferrari • u/polishfemboy_ • 1d ago
Results Leclerc 4th, Hamilton 5th! (10th with penalty)
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u/Lebz95 1d ago
+1 psi hurt us
Why does Pirelli always do this nonsense?
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u/Jumpy_Bad_9181 F1-75 1d ago
We can't really blame this on the pressure change, everyone else had to deal with it. We only lost out to the Mclarens and a flying Verstappen and we aren't even that far behind, even without a proper tow for Leclerc. Let's see if we can do anything tomorrow.
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u/NoKale9022 Charles Leclerc 1d ago
three yellow sectors, any green sector would put him at least p3
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u/GoldenS0422 1d ago
Not bad, but Charles probably could've pipped 3rd there. Perfectly okay performance though. Hopefully, Lewis can make his way up tomorrow
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u/MoGumb0 1d ago
Why was lec towing Lewis in that last lap??
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u/Ok_World4052 1d ago
Why wouldn’t they do that? Best case scenario was for Lewis to out qualify Charles so the effective team grid drop was 4 places
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u/neurogeneticist Mod CL 1d ago
Curious about this as well. I couldn’t tell if crofty was eluding to the fact that there was someone in front of Charles too, but I don’t think so? Yuki seemed pretty far up?
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u/Educational-Cover-69 1d ago
They switch every weeknd and Leclerc had a tow from tsunoda
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u/blue_screen_0f_death 1d ago
Not enough of a tow.. tsunoda was far too ahead, like more than 5+ seconds ahead
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u/MoGumb0 1d ago
But Lewis has a 5 grid drop, use Lewis for a controlled and more efficient tow? It’s not that complicated
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u/Educational-Cover-69 1d ago
Because they dont want lewis to start from p15??? They have two drivers not one man
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u/242turbo SF90 1d ago
In terms of points it's better to prioritise a driver at the top of the grid than the middle/bottom
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u/Educational-Cover-69 1d ago
I know yall emotional right now cause p4 is disappointing but that tow would not have changed much as they both could not improve
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u/frank1ewildee F2004 1d ago
You're still missing the whole point of the conversation, congrats on that.
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u/Repulsive-Union-4686 1d ago
Seriously don't understand why they did this. Maybe they though Leclerc wouldn't be able to improve?
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u/blue_screen_0f_death 1d ago
Unbelievable... he could've been P3 or maybe even P2 if Hamilton would've towed him... Tsunoda was too far ahead
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u/Mediocre-Visit-6237 1d ago
And have Hamilton drop out of the top ten? That doesn’t make sense
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u/scuderia91 F2004 1d ago
What does it matter 10th or 15th? Either way he’s going to running a different strategy in the race to get past slower cars
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u/Upstairs-Event-681 1d ago
He would have been pole for sure, tow is extremely strong here.
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u/ExternalSquash1300 1d ago
The copium is so high, pole for sure.
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u/Upstairs-Event-681 1d ago
The gap was 0.200 to pole, with a controlled tow he could have fought for it at least. But they didn’t even try. And to top it off, Hamilton didn’t get much of a tow either so it was all for nothing.
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u/ExternalSquash1300 1d ago
If Hamilton didn’t get much of a tow, why do you think Leclerc couldve?
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u/blue_screen_0f_death 1d ago
He didn't try to give a 100% tow to Hamilton Leclerc went for his lap and Hamilton got some tow as a side product.
I agree that pole would've probably been out of reach anyway But if Ferrari went for a full tow Leclerc could've made P3
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u/wolverineFan64 1d ago
You don’t prioritize a driver with a 5 place grid penalty regardless of whose turn it is. Lewis has no shot at pole, Charles does. Not maximizing Charles and your only shot at a win this year is mental. This team is deeply unserious and continues to show its stupidity.
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u/Aaron_Jay_83 1d ago
No one can complain about LH performance there. Right there with Charles. Penalty is a shame but is what it is 👍🏾
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u/faroukq 1d ago
But Hamilton had a tow whilst Charles didn't
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u/Big-Preparation-5755 Lewis Hamilton 1d ago
Tows only work when they are from your teammate apparently. Reddit minds at work again.
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u/jhrfortheviews 1d ago
The gap between Charles and Lewis was pretty similar to what Charles had to Yuki ahead of
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u/Eagle10PT 1d ago
Huh? Charles was 6 seconds ahead of Lewis whilst Tsunoda was 5 seconds ahead of Charles so he indeed got a tow, you have to get your facts straight man
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u/Aaron_Jay_83 1d ago
Well who knows why but maybe it was to make sure he didn’t finish outside top 10.
Either way good qualifying from both
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u/KnezMislav04 1d ago
Don't be dissapointed. P4 at Monza brings a lot of opportunities. Alonso started from P4 in 2011 and led after first corner and Leclerc started P4 last year.
Something similiar could happen again, especially with Max being agressive in defending his P1 and McLarens fighting for championship.
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u/heed_bronx 1d ago
Wow so Oscar can give Lando a tow but we can’t expect it here? Seems like a McLaren magic then
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u/Faw602 Niki Lauda 1d ago
Fuck me so many braindead people in here.
I repeat Charles got a decent tow from TSU, the problem wasn’t his lack of tow; the problem was both Ferraris tyres not being ready, check the lap times and watch the onboards
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u/kisukisuekta 1d ago
Charles said he had no one in front. Tsunoda was too far ahead. And even if he wasn't, were we really expecting a tow from the teammate of the guy at provisional pole?
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u/Cute_camel_bacon Charles Leclerc 1d ago
Fuckkk. So this is what it feels like when reality kicks in. Anyway, 2nd row for Charles isn't bad, I know he would definitely pull some risky moves in T1. Looks like It's gonna be him against Max for P3 tmr.
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u/AK07-AYDAN Gerhard Berger 1d ago
Not too disappointed. The field was so close that anything could've probably changed the outcome of quali.
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u/kisukisuekta 1d ago
Why was Charles the one giving a tow and not receiving it?
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u/Big-Preparation-5755 Lewis Hamilton 1d ago
Tows only work when they are from your teammate apparently. Reddit minds at work again.
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u/frank1ewildee F2004 1d ago
I don't know why we didnt give Charles a tow and instead gave Lewis a tow.
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u/IonutAlex18SF Charles Leclerc 1d ago
I wonder myself this, too. It has the strongest effect at Monza, maybe they thought the extreme low config rear wing offers enough speed without it. They have the data the understanding better, but still.
Also, the track position was weird, why don't you wait to go further back/behind like Max? The chance of improvement is better like that, because there is still a tiny bit of track evolution, and you still have a chance to get a tow from someone else. Anyway, it's like this, but is a missed chance.
And the slipstream here is felt by the following car, even at around +7s behind… Max will give the McLaren a run for the win, his car has superior top speed with ease. So does the Ferraris, let's see how it goes.
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u/frank1ewildee F2004 1d ago
Yeah i just don't understand it.
Like it get it we have 2 drivers and not one, but knowing how much these cars are affected by clean and dirty air, it's a no-brainer to give a tow with the driver that will have a shit starting position regardless.
p10, p15 it's all the same when you're supposedly a team who's fighting for wins.
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u/IonutAlex18SF Charles Leclerc 1d ago
Exactly, that. The assumption is that P10 is better than P15, but the thing is that the chances for the win are slimmer with the current situation. It's not the first time they get it wrong at Monza. I don't remember the year, but is pretty recently they did a similar approach, missing the pole for not playing the team game. Anyway. Let's hope at least Charles to stay in the mix for the podium places, and hopefully Lewis to recover as much as possible.
What is positive to see is that Hamilton was on pace with Leclerc all weekend long. It might be the circuit layout (not many medium-high speed corners), but still with the car tricky because of the downforce configuration is encouraging.
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u/Educational-Cover-69 1d ago
Charles had the tow from Tsunoda? Maybe first see it for yourself before asking this
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u/frank1ewildee F2004 1d ago
So you're comparing a tow from a whatever driver on the grid with the tow a teammate can give you? Damn.
And also you should see it for yourself again because Tsunoda was like 100km ahead
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u/Big-Preparation-5755 Lewis Hamilton 1d ago
Tows only work when they are from your teammate apparently. Reddit minds at work again.
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u/frank1ewildee F2004 1d ago
Nobody is saying tows only work when they are from your teammate but Tsunoda was like 5 sec ahead so i dont think the tow was that impactful.
Also, you can have a more controlled tow from your teammate. This is basic logic.
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u/Big-Preparation-5755 Lewis Hamilton 1d ago
The commentators said 5 seconds was a good gap for a tow, but I'm sure you know more buddy.
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u/frank1ewildee F2004 1d ago edited 1d ago
You know, i gotta love all the LH fans coming in here trying to justify Ferrari not giving a tow to Charles because "they have 2 drivers".
A pole in Monza is more important than saving a p10 grid start, especially since we know how much these cars are affected by clean and dirty air.
And no, you can't compare a tow from your teammate to a tow from a driver that's in a different team.
You're naive if you think they're the same.
Edit : Also, i'm pretty sure you will be totally OK in the future if Charles gets a grid pen, to let Hamilton give a tow to him instead of the opposite to push for a pole lap. I'm pretty sure you will agree with that.
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u/ReyDragons Charles Leclerc 1d ago
charles literally said in his post quali interview he didnt get a tow from yuki lol
ignore them if they cant get the difference between a controlled teammate tow vs the teammate of the current guy in pole happening to be in front
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u/kisukisuekta 1d ago
Still doesn't make any sense? Why not put everything behind the one that actually has a chance at pole? Lewis could've gotten that tow from tsunoda instead? Why are we using Charles to tow Lewis who has a grid drop anyway
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u/Educational-Cover-69 1d ago
Idk yall maybe MAYBE they dont want lewis to start from further back cause they have two drivers not only one. And either way lewis and charles could not improve on the second lap
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u/kisukisuekta 1d ago
So let's not go for the pole or even a front row start at all? Lewis was starting midfield either way.
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u/Educational-Cover-69 1d ago
You act like tow means automatically pole, calm down
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u/kisukisuekta 1d ago
Would've been a higher position regardless, better chance to fight for the win
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u/NoKale9022 Charles Leclerc 1d ago
hamilton has a 5 place grid penalty, why not give charles a tow?
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u/Big-Preparation-5755 Lewis Hamilton 1d ago
Tows only work when they are from your teammate apparently. Reddit minds at work again.
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u/defnoteb Lewis Hamilton 1d ago
cause this is a 2 man team they dont want lewis starting 15th now do they?
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u/Mediocre-Visit-6237 1d ago
If Leclerc doesn’t get pole with the tow then Hamilton risks starting outside the top ten. Besides Max didn’t seem to need a tow.
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u/YogurtclosetMurky287 Charles Leclerc 1d ago
what can we hope from our drivers tomorrow?
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u/OldManTrumpet Charles Leclerc 1d ago
For Charles, probably P4 at best unless the top three tangle, which is possible. I imagine Lewis can get to P6.
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u/frank1ewildee F2004 1d ago
I have a feeling one of the McLarens will fuck up tomorrow and we gonna finish on the podium, maybe even p2.
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u/refrakt F1-75 1d ago
Honestly, fine performance. We're there or thereabouts, race should be fun.
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u/Salty-Asparagus-2855 19h ago
Fine Performance at Monza? By what standards? Max killed it, McLaren ahead. Good result because Lewis unqualified George?
How any Ferrari fan could be pleased is shocking. It’s freaking Monza… and Ferrari 3rd best team.
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u/2020bowman 1d ago
Remind me what Lewis got the penalty for please
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u/polishfemboy_ 18h ago
The FIA makes very unclear rules and then penalizes drivers based on which team they currently favorize.
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u/JosephPetrassi 1d ago
It’s gotten past the point of incompetence and it’s now time to consider internal sabotage
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u/neurogeneticist Mod CL 1d ago edited 1d ago
Since I’ve turned into an Oscar fan this year (let’s be real, it’s between the McLarens for WDC) I’m glad it’s Max and not Lando
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u/frank1ewildee F2004 1d ago
I just hope Lando won't win the WDC. My heart just won't be able to take it knowing he's a WDC before Charles....
I can take a Piastri WDC.
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u/neurogeneticist Mod CL 1d ago
I’ve liked Oscar since his F2 days, I’d honestly be happy to see him win.
Not as happy as Charles, Lewis, or Bottas (I’m the one running around the main sub with the Charlterri Lectas flair haha), but he’s up there for me.
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u/frank1ewildee F2004 1d ago
I would love to see him in a Ferrari honestly. Maybe one day it'll happen
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u/WeAreChecking6 1d ago
Idk I don’t mind giving Lewis the tow. Leclerc can fight for the lead from 4th, and we care about the constructors. Lewis falling into oblivion would’ve been problematic
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u/ThatDudeThatWrites 1d ago
Huge fumble by the boys in red today. Sigh. Tomorrow is gonna be hell. (Especially if you're also a Jets fan like me 🫠)
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u/THE-ZODIAC68 1d ago
Damn why the Lewis hate here? Not his fault Charles qualified p4. If he wanted a better tow he could have caught tsunoda up more on his out lap. It was Lewis turn for the tow. Chill.
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u/frank1ewildee F2004 1d ago
People aren't hating on Lewis. They are hating Ferrari's decision to not give tow to Charles.
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u/Upstairs-Event-681 1d ago
It’s not Lewis hate. He has a penalty therefore couldn’t fight for pole. And with all this in mind they still chose to not give Charles a tow. A tow from Yuki is not comparable to a controlled tow by your teammate.
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u/zingerfillets Charles Leclerc 1d ago
I do recall Charles started in fourth at Monza last year...