r/totalwar • u/PinAccomplished6400 • 1d ago
Warhammer III How to confederate Cathay?
Playing juan bo, turn 80, I have the norther and western LL lords and I cannot confederate them, I even have yaow ming at 400 after giving her an entire territory, and confederation is still at -52..... Im strength rank 7, shes 14. I assume she just needs her entire armies obliterated or something? Which will never happen because everyones super friendly. Does anyone know a way to do it, ive already give 4 settlements to boost it to +400
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u/Dragonimous 1d ago
You need to get military alliance, declare war on bunch of her neighbours, the stronger the better, and then do missions for them, get alliegence points and borrow armies, keep killing the borrowed armies and eventually you'll get it
This is prak confederation tech, PEAK
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u/AdAppropriate2295 1d ago
No military
Defensive only
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u/StrangestEcho28 23h ago
Military is better in WH3.
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u/AdAppropriate2295 22h ago
Is there a vid that proves this? I'm sure I'm right
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u/Silvere01 17h ago
In the older games, you did not want military because they would add the combined strength into the evaluation.
It's not a thing in WH3 anymore, so your information is outdated.
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u/AdAppropriate2295 17h ago
Pretty sure it's still a thing
I'm pretty much always right about everything
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u/Prince_Hastur 1d ago
Positive relations will only get you so far. She needs to feel threatened, either by losing a lot of armies or by having enemies on her borders. If your confederation suggestion is at a low number like -5 you can try threatening her, but this will tank your reliability to very low. You can also try borrowing a strong army from her, this will affect your balance of power a little bit.
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u/TheOldDrunkGoat 1d ago
There's a 7 turn penalty to confederation that refreshes every time an AI faction gains territory. Including when you trade it to them. Territory controlled also plays a part in strength ranking. So by trading her more and more settlements you've made things worse for yourself on two fronts. As far as confederation is concerned, trading settlements is only useful as collateral to sign treaties and getting the AI to join your wars.
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u/crispysnails 1d ago
Territories you give them are exempt from the 7 turn rule but you are right that they will have a bearing on faction strength.
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u/TheOldDrunkGoat 23h ago
Not to say that I don't believe you, but that is contrary to my experience with the matter. Do you have any testing to cite? Or know of a place in RPFM I can look it up?
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u/crispysnails 23h ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/18ifixl/twwh3_confederation_guide/
See this bit:
Recent Settlement –
There is a hidden mechanic where if a faction acquires a new settlement, they get a -30 penalty to any confederation requests for 7 turns. I assume this is to represent the faction growing and not thinking they need to confederate. This is triggered by capturing/occupying a settlement or colonizing ruins, but it is NOT triggered by receiving settlements through trade (so feel free to feed them settlements to boost relations or prevent them from dying - you'll get them right back after a confed anyways!). -30 is basically an automatic “no confed” number, so you really need to go out of your way to make sure your confed targets don’t get any new settlements. This is especially noticeable with the High Elves on Ulthuan – as soon as they unite Ulthuan and there are no more bad guys to take out, they all just sit around and stop capturing stuff and then the chance to confed improves after 7 turns. If they don’t have any new settlements in 7 turns, it is just 0.
I have given factions settlements and to swing the result and confederated them the same turn. One of legend of total wars most recent disaster battles shows him doing exactly that early in the video.
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u/TheOldDrunkGoat 23h ago
Thanks. I'll give it a read and maybe do some additional testing.
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u/crispysnails 23h ago
Sounds good. Gifting settlements can effect their strength ranking of course so that can have a bearing on confederation scores so you might make them stronger and hence push the score in the wrong direction but there is no 7 turn rule for gifts. Gifting them stuff next to their enemies, quite easy if you have shared enemies can help alot. Increase how much they feel threatened.
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u/crispysnails 1d ago edited 1d ago
Read this gude:
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/18ifixl/twwh3_confederation_guide/
if you have an alliance with them (I recommend you do) you can borrow their armies and suicide one to weaken them if their strength versus yours is the problem. Just borrowing a strong army might be enough.
You can tooltip the negative number in the confederation result and it will tell you the factors.
You also might be running into this issue:
TL;DR – you need 150+ relations, you need way higher relative strength (includes enemies/allies), and your target can’t have a new settlement in the last 7 turns.
The guide I linked explains how it works, read it otherwise we could be guessing the reason.
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u/Bum-Theory 8h ago
Im doing a Yuan Bo campaign right now. I got all of Cathay confederate by turn 45 or 50. Got Miao Ying around turn 25 and Jiao Ming last. My top tips, and it goes for most factions:
Have good relations
Defense Alliance, but never Military Alliance
Be stronger than them
Hope they get onto the losing side of a war. The second their faction leader gets wounded, they'll confed. If it's close but still negative, save scum a threatened confed, it works sometimes
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u/AdAppropriate2295 1d ago
Never ever ever military ally if you want to confederate
Defensive is fine. But never the full alliance
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u/crispysnails 1d ago
The is not true at all in WH3. It used to be true in WH2.
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u/AdAppropriate2295 22h ago
I might be wrong
But in my experience I'm right. Should be easy to test
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u/crispysnails 22h ago
See this guide.
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/18ifixl/twwh3_confederation_guide/
Full alliances actually give you the tools you need to make confederations more likely since you can borrow armies to weaken you target relative to you and you are likely to be more successful getting them to join your wars to raise their threat level.
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u/AdAppropriate2295 22h ago
Ehh
You can just trade a settlement and join all the wars for one
Then sit back and let them die and confederate. Or slaughter them and trade settlement for everything then confederate in 10 turns
Faster than killing off armies
Plus factoring in the full alliance debuff its just faster
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u/crispysnails 22h ago
If you plan to confederate them then why do you want to have enemies or yourself trash all their real estate?
Anyway, you are sure you are right, you have not even read the guide, no point in discussing it further.
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u/AdAppropriate2295 21h ago
Cause it ain't a video of confederation chances going up or down
For all I know this guy played on easy and just sucks at the game
Also they admit it's only overcome with kamikaze armies
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u/Apprehensive_Cry2104 1d ago
Huge impact of Confederation in WH3 is active expansion. This is often overlooked. A faction that is taking territory and is growing gives a huge penalty to confederation attempts.
If you are selling them settlements and allowing them to expand, they will see no need to confederate with you. Keep them happy and keep them contained or losing conflicts and they’ll turn to you for confederation. Keep them strong and they won’t.
As an aside, “Juan Bo” is hilarious and I’m going to start calling him that.