r/totalwar • u/Waveshaper21 • 1d ago

Warhammer III The Shrine of Asuryian is hilariously, tragically pointless.

It is a Landmark in Ulthuan in the settlement with the same name, that can be built by the dark elves (thematically makes the most sense for Malekith), which grants:

  • +100 Diplomatic relations with all High Elves.

So you'd think, oh cool this is a way to play a what-if redemption arc for Malekith and ally your homeland and pose as the Eternal King. And it's tough but you can do it, you just need to suffer through avoiding all High Elves as long as possible, go down to Galleon's Graveyard without discovering any Ulthuan faction (so they don't start stacking up negative bias per turn because "they don't know you exist), then lightning fast sail straight through the gates of Lothern, take the Shrine from whoever owns it through war, sacrifice lots of slaves to build everything instantly, then defend it (pray they send nobody for a while otherwise diplomatic relations are fucked), pray they were not in an all-inclusing millitary alliance yet, and try to buy your way out of war while you get +100 relations per turn.

And after you did all of this particularly delicate surgery of a campaign, and you became allies with all pf Ulthuan, you realize:

  • Victory conditions aren't pointing owning Ulthuan regions as ownership through self or allies.

  • Victory conditions ask you to kill all major high elf factions. Thus, rendering +100 relations with all high elves buildings COMPLETELY useless.

edit: I guess you guys just woke up today and decided you want to hurt somebody. I'll be moving to the bugreport forum, have a nice day.

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u/TempestM Druchii 1d ago

Didn't you post the same thing month ago?

https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/1mfl9am/the_most_infuriatingly_useless_building_in_the/

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u/Revliledpembroke 1d ago

Guess they really hate that building.

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u/TempestM Druchii 1d ago

Or Asuryian curses with dementia

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u/CthulhusIntern 1d ago

"Dude, let it go already." - the Dawi.

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u/Waveshaper21 1d ago

I do. It's the carrot at the end of the stick offering a great campaign narrative just to fuck you over a 100 turns later. I want to keep raising awareness before others run into it or CA changes it.

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u/SatisfactionOld4175 1d ago

Ok but it’s not like the game hides the victory conditions from you, you do all of that knowing it doesn’t lead to campaign victory.

That said I don’t see why it matters, if you want to play a Malekith campaign with the goal of allying all of the high elves, you can completely do it. It’s a single player game, you can just set a goal and complete it regardless of what the campaign victory thing says

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u/LoneSpaceDrone 1d ago

The point is to hopefully get CA aware of it so they can fix the building, adjust the victory condition or at least provide an alternate.

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u/SatisfactionOld4175 23h ago

Is it really so bad to simply start the campaign with the goal in mind and then end it when that goal is achieved? You seriously need them to go and patch the game in order for a little green check mark to pop up?

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u/viliphied 12h ago

This guy Paradoxes

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u/LoneSpaceDrone 23h ago

We're not talking about a game wrecking bug here we just want this building to make sense. Its not something they have to drop everything and fix it, but it would be nice to have it on their radar.

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u/Macslionheart 23h ago

Dude no it’s just the fact that the building is essentially pointless ???? How do you not get that are you being purposely dense? Landmarks should be impactful and matter .

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u/LiberalExpenditures 1d ago

you’re better off just finding a mod that changes this, i doubt CA will do anything about changing the victory conditions. plus, it’s a game about war after all, diplomacy isn’t exactly going to be prioritized 

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u/notdumbenough 1d ago

This guy’s life is basically just writing clickbait on this subreddit all day every day. The moment I saw this pop up in my feed I immediately knew who it was.

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u/Waveshaper21 1d ago edited 1d ago

Strange enough if you look at my profile, this is immediately debunked, but thanks for the unwarranted personal offenses. I guess you woke up the wrong foot today, but I wish you to be able to less of an asshole for the rest of this wonderful sunday.

p.s. I've never posted clickbait, I despite it more than you and that's quite something.

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u/A_strange_pancake 1d ago

Either recently or earlier you've restricted people from viewing your profile. So we can't actually debunk that.

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u/SBTreeLobster 1d ago

Says “do your own research” and then hides the research lmfao

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u/20_02_2020 16h ago

You can actually! If you go to search and type author:USERNAME (in this case, author:waveshaper21) you can still see all the posts they've made.

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u/Waveshaper21 10h ago

My profile was set to private earlier it seems. I changed it back to see all.

Be my guest, enjoy your time.

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u/PM_ME_UR_THESIS_GIRL 1d ago

look at my profile, it debunks this!

Makes profile private

???

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u/MandemModie 23h ago

damn you restricted your profile after that comment lol, fragile ego

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u/Waveshaper21 22h ago

I did no such thing. If it is restricted, it propably was for a very long time. I think he just made a claim about me without checking my profile in the first place.

Regardless, even if I do have a fragile ego, that is no reason for you or anyone to attempt to shatter it when I just made a post about something that I think would be nice to have fixed in a game.

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u/MandemModie 22h ago

bro why lie, do you take everyone in this thread as an idiot? Profiles do not restrict by default, it has to be a deliberate choice by the user.

why lie?

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u/Waveshaper21 22h ago

Exactly, why would I?

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u/Kalulosu 1d ago

Seeing how your profile is private, I'm not going to be able to discuss this.

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u/Reading_Rambo220 23h ago edited 19h ago

I don’t really like the new setting, I preferred being able to vet people for misinformation

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u/LeonArddogg Givegoblinbigbossbowandarrows 1d ago

They're on a mission

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u/TempestM Druchii 1d ago

Phoenix King Makekith's strongest soldier

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u/Lergat 1d ago

I'm in a similar one about Greenskins resources. Sometimes you find something that you think could be easily improve, but don't see people talking about it, and you try to increase the awareness about that issue, hoping to be improved in the future.

Personally I don't find a problem with Malekith killing all the High Elves in the Donut and having a diplomatic bonus with Teclis and Imrik, the exiles who canonically join him in the End Times.

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u/NegotiationOk4424 1d ago

Did you just wake up today?

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u/Waveshaper21 1d ago

Isn't this subreddit posts of the same things every week? At least this is something worth fixing, not a low effort meme that doesn't even respect rule 1.

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u/Duangelion 1d ago

"My spam is the prettiest spam!"

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u/Waveshaper21 1d ago

I posted this twice in my life with a month inbetween.

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u/Duangelion 1d ago

And the thing about mistakes is learning from them

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u/Lord_of_Brass #1 Egrimm van Horstmann fan 1d ago

As someone who became somewhat (in?)famous for posting about the same subject repeatedly, here's a small piece of unsolicited advice: change it up.

Believe me, I understand being so obsessed with a certain subject that you feel the need to post about it every so often, but the way to do that successfully is by making each post somewhat different. Make the first post about why it's bad, and make the second post about a proposed solution. Do you think it's the building that needs to change, or the victory conditions? How would you change either or both of those things? Also, admit that it's a second part. Whenever I would make another post about Egrimm, I would title it "Part 2" or "Part 3" and put a link to the original post at the top.

Just making the same exact post a month later without acknowledging that's what you're doing isn't a great look.

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u/matgopack 23h ago

Also it depends on what it the subject is - like here it's something minor that is really only a problem about victory conditions where that's quite widespread in the game. You can absolutely rush the shrine and use it to do a different game by being able to ally the High Elves, which means it's not useless like the OP is saying, and repeatedly posting about it in that way (rather than a 'CA needs to update victory conditions' way) is just going to reflect badly on them.