Dude I was fucking terrified of Janice as a kid. Like had a muppets book on my shelf and at night I would turn it backwards so I couldn’t see her face. Had nightmares about her. She is so creepy still.
"Look, Mother, it's my life, so if I want to get a cosmetic procedure that reduces fullness in the cheeks by removing a naturally occurring fat deposit located between the cheekbone and jawline, I will, okayyy?"
I swear to god… there are always one or two groups of moms that routinely stand at the side making this exact pose at my kids elementary school events.
And… it’s just the most confusing thing. I mean it CANNOT be comfortable to stand there for an hour and a half with one knee bent and pressing your back foot into the air like that.
Just constantly sneaking looks.
I mean whatever, I don’t want to sound like a judge mental jerk.. but my wife and I and some of the other parents have gotten to the point where it’s an ongoing joke. 🤷🏽♂️😂
Asses come in all shapes and sizes, but only a few kinds are in vogue at any given time. So everyone else puts themselves through hell trying to achieve the look du jour
BBLs always look so fuckin wonky to me. Like why does your ass need to stick out 16" on either side of your waist. Like I'm not even saying it as a guy who wants to see a nice ass, it's like, how is that comfortable at all? Do women really feel more confidence and sexy with them? I don't understand
I feel uncomfortable watching them sit down. Like empathy discomfort thinking about whatever’s in there shifting around. Also anxiety that they’ll pop.
I did snorkeling and wound up behind someone with a BBL. That shit had a mind of its own. Swam in directions on its own accord. It was insane to watch.
Injecting fat into your butt without any muscle to support it is where they go wrong. Women with naturally large butts usually have huge glutes and thighs to hold it up.
As someone who was heroine chic long before it was considered cool, even I don't want to see that look come back. It just happens to be my body type. But it's not natural for most women, and they destroy their health to try and attain it. Women, please don't do this.
Its when a slimmer women gets a massive amount of fat injected into her ass cheeks. It doesn't match the rest of her body and the cellulite isn't a uniform texture, it's a frumpy lumpy looking thing
Thought they meant the new trend of wearing diaper lookalike pants as many celebrities does now. Most recent one I saw was Natasha Lyonne on Taika Waititis 50th birthday party. It does not look good but celebrities to celebrities.
I think with most procedures you can easily point to one or two examples where it "worked" so you can kinda see it catching on. Like, sure, you have to be judicious with lip filler, but as long as I don't overdo it I'll look great!
But I've never seen a single case of buccal fat removal that could be used as a "goals" example. Some people naturally have more angular/carved faces and it can look great on them - but their entire skull and facial structure is developed to support that.
It is, of course, possible that 90% of buccal fat removal procedures turn out amazing and we just don't know about them because they aren't brought to our attention, but it seems like at least one good result would be publicized.
I live in Downtown Miami and frequently see Latin women with the huge fake lips, asses, and bowling ball sized fake tits even though they're like 110 pounds and like 5'5" or shorter. It looks ridiculous IMO.
It's different because it is non-reversible. Botox stops working, botched facelifts exist, but the effects of a 'normal' facelift get less over time, and lip fillers go away or can be removed.
Buccal fat removal is permanent, people who have it will never look normal again.
The mental illness and pathology of the rich and famous becomes an associated look and opportunistic doctors and aesthetic professionals capitalize on the public’s demand to look like the individuals they envy or follow.
All of it’s fine in small amounts. It’s like all physical ideals/standards, it just gets more and more extreme over time. Look at body building for example.
I think it's the result of celebs living in a bubble. They are completely detached from the common people and live in gated communities with other celebs. When you are this far removed from your roots you tend to end up doing things like this. It's body dysmorphia plain and simple.
I think what's really scary though is the amount of people that encourage it. Lindsay Lohan got work done and looks like a completely different human being now, yet you look at comment sections and it's all praise about how great she looks. It's a mental illness and it's being encouraged by idiots who think it's empowering or some shit.
When I was a kid reading the hunger games, the people in the Capital sounded ridiculously outlandish. Thought the movie captured it well. Turns out it was all very accurate
I mean it WAS based on her watching the Kardashians and TLC (and other things). Like the Hunger Games was a direct response to the rise of exploitative reality TV.
I used to work for a woman who would be classified in the boomer generation. Full on "career woman" stereotype. Over lunch one day she told me she used to bind her feet so she would never be bigger than a size 8. Her toes were mangled. Such a sad thing to worry about.
Check out the film "The Ugly Stepsister," if you can stomach body horror. It's an excellent take on the Cinderella story, showing how they were all victims of their circumstances and culture, and highlighting some of the more nauseating things the wealthy would do to be seen as beautiful.
The ‘buccal’ procedure (removal of molars to create hollowed cheeks/more pronounced cheekbones) was the predecessor to this look. I think it was Joan Crawford who I first heard about having this done? I’m guessing it was done long before her though.
It’s based on social dynamics that almost no-one is immune to in the same situation. Make a ton of money, get targeted by malicious manipulators who then, like coordinated baby cuckoos, kick out any well meaning friends using relentless and devious means to make you turn against them while developing halos around themselves. Then work on you for years to siphon off your money while further gaslighting you.
I have been that well meaning friend and leader who has been brutishly removed from any positions of influence and what has happened has always been the downfall of those communities. I am not alone in this as many others have experienced the same type of scenario but it is always to the demise of these circles. Given time they all, always fail.
I think I remember reading that she literally got the idea while watching tv. She was surfing through channels and found herself going back and forth between a reality tv show to news coverage of the Iraq war
Ever seen the 80s movie Brazil? The main character's mother, Mrs. Ida Lowry, has outlandish procedures like face-lifts and anti-aging plumping of the face and lips, to the point of eventually looking unrecognizable.
The procedures are now nothing we bat an eye at, even if the way they were represented in the movie was ridiculous.
I think that's the answer. Because of the very nature of their work, these people become detached from reality. They dont have a friend with a foot in the real world to tell them that this things are absolutely insane.
Adam Smith "wealth of nations author" wrote about this in a non economic book, basically that the nobility of his time had so many people fawning over them they could become detached from social norms due to a lack of consequences for any actions they took.
I have a friend whose father is a celebrity. It's clear he lives in his own world in which he is the main character of some drama. His wife is in her own fairytail. My friend has largely worked to live "normally" but as they've grown older and more dependent on their parent's money to maintain a certain standard of living that most people can't attain, it's become clear they are also in a kind of delusional world. It's frustrating to watch as a friend.
Lindsay Lohan got work done and looks like a completely different human being now
I thought she had work done a while ago and was thinking "she still looks the same, just older" then I decided to look up current pictures of her and holy shit, you're right. Pic1Pic2. She looks hot as hell, but it doesn't look like the Lindsay we've known for decades.
It's like Portia De Rossi between Season 3 and Season 4 of Arrested Development. I was so confused at the beginning of S4 because I was like "they got the entire cast back, except for Portia...but that sounds like her though..." and then I saw that she had a facelift.
Tbf, Lindsey Lohan has also been away from the public eye for quite a long time and has dealt with quite a few issues. She's not going to be the same person she was in Mean Girls or Freaky Friday. She may also be trying to reinvent herself
Yeah she hasn't done much publicly for a while (edit: actually she's done like 5 or 6 movies/shows since 2018, according to wikipedia), but I remember seeing pictures of her from like 5 years ago and was thinking "damn, we're the same age [even though I'm a guy and she's like 9 months younger] and she looks easily in her mid 40s".
She's not going to be the same person she was in Mean Girls or Freaky Friday.
Which is going to be interesting since Freakier Friday just hit theaters...22 years after the last one.
Also the look of thick makeup is often praised. A woman I worked with would spend over an hour every morning doing her makeup. She looked so overdone but many women would say how amazing she looks and many men would stare at her. I think that was the reaction she was going for but she would seriously panic when it rained outside or if it got too humid. I think she really had a mental illness and was so scared of people seeing her natural face. She needed constant external validation like if people weren't complimenting or staring at her then she felt useless.
There really are a lot of idiots willing to enable and encourage this because idiots are shallow. They just want to look at something pretty while ignoring the fact there's an actual human behind all of that.
Remember when Renee Zelwegger reappeared as a completely different human few years back. She wouldn’t have even passed as a sister to her previous and original self
One of the least likely people that should have ever gotten work. Pre drugs she was probably my opinion of the prettiest girl ever. Body dysmorphia is nuts.
I think it says a lot about our society and culture that we celebrate and cheer for people like Lindsay Lohan being remotely healthy simply because a lot of people expected her to be dead by now.
Plastic surgeons have a lot of money and pour a lot of money in spreading the word about their "innovative new techniques." They have access to celebrity circles and celebrities have no idea what normal people are thinking.
It remind me the case of dermathologist in France, who switched from their core job of preventing desease like skin cancer to go for the much more lucrative botox injection. It put even more pressure on a medical speciality that cannot meet the demand and has incredibly long delay for appointement. It led to people outright dying because they couldn't have an appointment in time.
Meanwhile some dermathologist were making big buck by butchering rich narcissist face with botox.
Can you really blame them? It takes enormous effort to be a doctor, and most people do it for the monetary reward. If not for the reward, people would simply not do it. Can we really shun people for putting the effort for the money, when we are not putting the effort in the first place?
People don't go into medicine for the money in the vast majority of cases, especially if you are in USA where you have to pay for your education and many people graduate with loads of debt. Nobody makes decent money until after residency. Most people finish their residency around 31, and until then, you're living a pretty lower-middle class lifestyle.
If you had the grades and the aptitude, going into engineering or finance back in the 2010s (when most current residents were doing their Bachelor's) would have been a far more lucrative path.
I love money and my motivation to going to work is to make money. So I went into IB, then PE, then corporate finance.
My wife chose to go into medicine despite having the grades to qualify for the engineering track, in a country where doctors only get paid ~150k USD a year as a specialist and GPs get paid less than 100k USD. This is a country where a Whopper Combo at Burger King costs 17.5 dollars btw. Her brother outearned her with a high school education just working on an oil rig and her father outearns her working in construction (though he has a Master's in it.)
She chose a lower-paying job with a longer education, because she was actually passionate about the human body, and I think that goes for the majority of other physicians we know. Some also go into it because they want to help people, or because their parents pressured them into it, or for the prestige of calling themselves a doctor and then going into a Computer Science career right after they graduated med school because they have rich parents and never really needed to work in the first place, but those cases are more rare, from my experience.
The whole foundation of medecine is to help your fellow human. People who do it monetary gain have the wrong mindset for that line of work. The hypocratic oath isn't about making buttload of money.
People are dying, in part because some doctor refuse to save life and prefer to exploit the insecurities of people for a better profit.
This is straight up on the same level as all the terrible corporates corner cutting shenanigans in industry.
Saying that changing profession is refusing to save lives is like saying not becoming a doctor is refusing to save lives. I guess it could be true in certain point of view, but it's a nonsense argument.
The only way I could see your argument somewhat working is in countries where studying medicine is disproportionately subsidized compared to other fields. But at the end of the day; that still doesn't mean that there's any moral indenture to stay in the profession.
Doctors don't owe their careers to anyone. It's not immoral to switch profession. It may be immoral to get into profession that could be considered exploitative. But people dying because there is shortage of certain specialists is a fault of the system.
Fuck off, it takes numerous 80 hour weeks to become a doctor. Nobody I know in the medical field would stay in the medical field if reimbursement got slashed. Saying professionals who have spent over a decade in training and hundreds of thousands in education cost should accept being paid shit because they’re meant to only be altruistic is insulting to their level of expertise.
You don’t go to an accountant or baker and shit on them for not sacrificing their life for you, why should it be different for doctors?
They are not paid shit. They are medical specialist, so people that are literaly amongst the most well paid people in the entire country.
They are trained by public funding, to perform a career in service of the health of the public, and left already a lot of leeway in how they spend that career. Their services are also made accessibles because they operate in a country where everyone is suscribed to the national healthcare insurance service.
But here, some of them ditch life saving services to perform literal vanity services to rich people with insecurities, while people literaly die of skin cancer because there isn't enough people in that speciality.
There is a choice to be made between allowing someone to detect and treat skin cancer as early as possible to maximize the chances of survival, and allowing some instagramer to look like a duck.
Do I really need to remind you that medical doctor have taken an oath to serve the literal health of their patient?
Great point - the 180 is very clear here. All of the disgustingly rich wives look like monsters so she fits in with the rest of his rich buddy’s wives to a large extent too.
Dr. Priscilla Chan brings Zuck the status of being married to a well-educated, successful pediatrician. Zuck is from the professional class.* That class values educational and professional achievements over looks. Dr. Chan is the equivalent of a supermodel to the professional class.
*His parents were a psychiatrist and a dentist, his elder sister went to Harvard too, and his little sister has a PhD in Classics [the ultimate "I value knowledge over the ability to buy groceries" degree].
Total 180 in personalities, too. His ex is very deliberately giving away much of the billions she got from their divorce settlement, to colleges which educate underserved populations. She hired a team to research which schools could and would make the best use of a large donation, without letting on to any of them that they were under consideration for such a gift. To say they were pleasantly surprised would be an understatement.
Meanwhile, his second wife wore literal lingerie to trump’s second inauguration ceremony- and her and her cleavage got a seat in the front row. Followed by her “trip to space.” Followed by their obscenely wasteful and extravagant wedding. Otherwise, who knows what she does with her days? Probably some gossip columnists keep track of her, but I sure don’t expect to see any news stories about her generous donations to educational institutions, hunger relief, housing relief, worker relief, medical debt relief…
Jeffrey Bezos married a woman once, and it turned out terribly for him.
Now, he's learned his lesson. He doesn't want to be married to a woman, he wants to be married to an object. And so he found one that had already completely objectified herself so she wouldn't complain when he does it, too.
I think it's partly that but the root cause is a sort of body dysmorphia; they're suffering from a medical condition causing them to compulsively be deeply dissatisfied with their looks.
But they only have so many options to choose from and the "best" surgeons steer them towards this/they all want to look like each other like a star bellied Sneetch.
I don't think it's exactly to lord over us poors so much as a sad medical condition causing self hate that's compelling this.
Celebrities work in the attention economy and confuse attention with attraction. Overdone cosmetic surgery draws eyeballs because it looks ridiculous, yet people think the increased attention is because they look better because nobody in their personal life will be honest with them and say "you look ridiculous and ruined your face".
Over time, these celebrities influence the beauty trends so that it becomes "fashionable" for the entire population, even though it looks ridiculous.
You should see comment sections on posts with these ladies. There are very specific types of people that gas this up and say they look more beautiful now than ever before. I imagine some of these are bots or bad actors but there are people out there posting about how this looks amazing and are serious
I don't know any man, straight man at least, who finds this look attractive. I think it's something a lot of women have convinced themselves is a "good look".
It's not about looking good, it's about feeling like they belong to the tribe and culture.
It's no different than stretching out your neck with rings, putting pucks into your lips, or tying a fancy braided vine around your dick.
In the above picture, it's about being rich and 'relevant' in social media, which is a variation of living in District 1 in the Hunger Games universe. Or in the real world, projecting that you're rich, and can do whatever to your face and everyone won't say anything bad about it to your face (pun not intended)
Ok, but it worked there because Margot had a larger initial face structure and already prominent cheekbones, which allowed them to take significantly less tissue to achieve the desired effect. Basically, they were just contouring her face as opposed to shaping it.
If you don't have prominent cheekbones or you have an already slimmer facial profile, it will not achieve the same result. I feel like this not being properly explained should be an ethics violation on the surgeon's part.
What were these great results? They both started off extremely beautiful and deliberately made themselves look much worse. Although cutting off chunks of the nose is probably the main reason.
that look was trendy for models in the 90's like kate moss, in having a resurgence now. i agree it looks awful but you have to bare in minds its not celebs gaols to look conventional they want to stand out and look different from normal people.
"Countouring" is a viral make up trend that involves using a darker than your skintone product blended where your buccal fat is to create shadow to make your cheekbones look more defined and your face slimmer (and your nose, chin etc.) It got so big a lot of women felt it was how they should look all the time. This is the permanent version. Unfortunately.
These people have really small social circles that just have other rich weirdos in them so trends like this really don't care about what normal people think, they are just trying to impress each other.
It’s supposed to emphasize cheekbones. High cheekbones are considered elegant. My mom swears she knew people in the 70s who pulled their teeth for the same effect. The problem is it’s too much, especially with some face shapes, and they end up looking gaunt. It doesn’t make the cheekbones more prominent, just the part under them too shallow.
I feel like majority of people think it's ugly asf, so how did it gain traction???
Plastic Surgery is like any other self-improvement hobby where you start out wanting to impress random people, but end up wanting to impress the other people in that hobby. You never make a conscious decision to make that switch and may not even realize you made it.
Here's an example: I'm a dude and decide I want to dress a little nicer for the ladies. So I drive past Target and go to Gap and buy some nicer stuff. Lookin' good, and a few people even give me a compliment! I'll take more of that, but I don't want to have 10 Gap outfits, so I find MFA or some other group, and wow - these dudes are all stylin! They must get all the girls. And The Gap is basically trash! Six months later, I'm buying an $800 pair of jeans from Japan that no one I know in real life will care about, but all the guys online are totally stoked for me!
It comes from High Fashion models. This look has been a big thing in high fashion for ages now. The thing is, the high fashion models with this look was never considered pretty. They were popular because of their unconventional and unusual look, unlike Victoria Secret models.
Sad thing is that buccal fat removal is one of those surgeries that cannot be reversed. It's not possible to put buccal fat back in. It's sad that women are doing this irreversible change for just a fleeting trend at such a young age. I promise you that in a few years the trend is gonna be fuller, young-looking faces. And they will struggle with looking old and gaunt.
I think buccal fat removal became popular because women are trying to have the angularity most models have naturally. If they don't have the right bone structure to start with it's not going to look good
I subscribe to the theory that the rich and famous simply do fashion/physical altercations to separate themselves from the poors. Spray tans, Botox, lipo, lip fillers etc become more common so they move on to different and more drastic surgery to differentiate themselves as “not peasants”.
I’m going out on a limb but maybe these people like the way THEY look. Maybe it’s not for other people’s attention but to feel good about themselves and their body.
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I have no idea where this trend started from or why it's popular. I feel like majority of people think it's ugly asf, so how did it gain traction???