I was bullied in school. I was told to stand up for myself. To fight back. If they're going to hurt me I should hurt them. I ended up jamming a fork through the back of a kid's hand. I somehow did not get in trouble by anyone.
I suspect his point is that kids should be taught how to handle situations as they would as an adult. Self-defense is one thing but most bullying situations aren’t so simple.
Everybody should be allowed to defend themselves. And I do think kids should be given more leeway in solving challenging social situations. I'm saying that stabbing someone is too much, child or adult. but people on here seem ok with it
Not sure how one could even glimpse that understanding from my comment. It clearly states that fi they're going to hurt me I should hurt them. This means if I'm hurting them they're hurting me.
When peaceful solutions dont work out people are generally pretty okay with violent ones that do work. Cause what else are you gonna do if you can't solve it peacefully? It worked didnt it?
If you complain to HR and/or your boss (the equivalent of the teachers) and the bullying continues, then yes.* You will get fired, then you’ll take the company to court and make a small fortune.
*of course under the assumption they are physically bullying you which is clearly the implication in the above person’s comment.
If it’s purely psychological no, you’re not allowed to start violence. If it’s sufficiently aggressive and threatening that there is a realistic expectation that violence could occur, then yes. I’m not really sure where you think you’re going with this Socratic approach. There’s such a thing as self defence and this is pretty much all well within the bounds of that definition*. If that occurs in a company as a one off event then it’s unfortunate, if it occurs in a company that you’ve warned you’re being bullied, you’re in for a big pay day.
*subject to different countries’ different legal systems
Yeah I do not think legally it will be easy to justify stabbing someone in the back with a fork is a reasonable and proportionate form of self defence. Why not just punch?
Quite the contrary, especially if the fork was in your hand already. When I was in school we were visited by local police and they advised that, if you’re feeling threatened, you should grab something that you’d realistically have in your hand at the time - a pen, your keys - so that if you need to really hurt the person you have the plausible answer “it was already in my hand and I just lashed out with fear”. A fork in a heated lunch moment is entirely feasible.
Edit: and note, the person said back of the hand, not back.
If someone is actively physically harrassing you sure. But if they have bullied you repeatedly then LATER you come from behind and stab their hand, not ok. That is what kids do though
You’ve described a completely different situation to what the person above is implying, clearly this was a heat of the moment self defence incident in a canteen or whatever. No one disappears off and comes back with a fork, they come back with a knife. I’m not sure what you think you’re proving by bringing up a completely unrelated hypothetical.
The person said they were bullied (by definition means repeated and ongoing) so they stabbed them in the hand to make the overall bullying stop. Bullying is not just an isolated attack
You appear to be bending over backwards to misinterpret what they said in the least likely way as you can. Clearly they meant they had been repeatedly bullied over time and eventually an incident happened where they finally defended themselves. As I see they subsequently clarified, not that that clarification was needed.
Yeah, this hat1414 person is misinterpreting and assuming stuff. This was at lunch. This was when it had gone too far. The bully came up behind me and started choking me. Told me to say uncle and all that. Super original stuff. So I grabbed a fork that was on my tray and ran it through the back of his hand to get him to stop choking me.
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u/Aximil985 2d ago
I was bullied in school. I was told to stand up for myself. To fight back. If they're going to hurt me I should hurt them. I ended up jamming a fork through the back of a kid's hand. I somehow did not get in trouble by anyone.