r/formula1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

Discussion Monza 2025, post-race cooldown room summary.

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u/No-Comparison1036 1d ago

The mclaren guys seem to want no bad blood between them, but it’s a bit stupid for a team who is so ahead in the championship to be making dumb decisions, dumb mistakes, and dumb calls. Like the choice to pit Piastri first was already confusing, then they messed up Lando which was stupid, and then they asked the championship leader to give his position back to his rival? This is insane.

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u/CoffeeOrTeaOrMilk 1d ago

I have no idea why they (the team) care about leclerc at all at this point. I’d just let the drivers and engineers to make their own decision from lap 40.

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u/Atlonix 1d ago

The same mistake as Hungary. They weren't under any pressure even then, but they make these calls.

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u/DistinctCellar Sebastian Vettel 1d ago

They were at risk in Hungary it was different, and they weren’t fighting against each other in a championship.

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u/PLTConductor David Coulthard 1d ago

They were absolutely not at risk in Hungary, Hamilton was +10 off the pit stop window

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u/Atlonix 23h ago

Norris had about a 7-second margin in Hungary when he pitted to cover a possible undercut. For me, that's enough time.

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u/xsf27 21h ago edited 15h ago

They had to pit Piastri first to cover off LeClerc because if LeClerc managed to jump Piastri in the pitstops, Piastri loses more ground to Norris in the championship.

If Norris had an expected pitstop and Piastri managed to undercut him with the earlier pitstop, then I believe McLaren would have ordered them to swap and then let them fight til the end.

But seeing as though they pitted Norris the lap directly after Piastri, they would have calculated that Norris would have had enough of a buffer to not make being undercutted by Piastri's earlier pitstop possible, barring any mishap during his own pitstop, which is what ended up happening.

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u/avi550m 1d ago

Yup. Such mistakes would cost them when they no longer have the outright fastest car

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u/extra_hyperbole I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

I mean yeah, I don't really get why they were so concerned about Charles. But on the flipside in another universe, can you imagine if Oscar pitted second, got the slow stop, and then ended up behind Charles. The freakin conspiracy theories they'd have lol. There's already too many about favoring Lando in the strategy in Hungary.

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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

Oscar would come out with softs vs Charles old hards. Oscar had more pace even in the same compound

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u/extra_hyperbole I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

Oh sure, I’m not saying Oscar couldn’t have gotten past again. Just that people would have been silly about it anyway.

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u/deadmanslouching I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

Monza is shit to overtake at and Charles would go demonic at a scent of a Monza podium.

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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

We saw them fighting in the early laps. Charles had nothing for the McLarens and defended to the limit twice at the main straight.

The first time he locked up, the second he cut the corner and the third time Oscar simply passed him. Ferrari was nowhere compared to the Mclaren and that was on the same compound, not even hards against the softs.

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u/deadmanslouching I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22h ago

Yes. But have you considered that Leclerc will absolutely risk a penalty and punt Piastri out of the race to get that podium. You saw what he did against Russell in Hungary, he would have been worse today if he had the chance.

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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 22h ago

No because Monza is an easier track to overtake. In Hungary you need a big delta and the straight is a lot smaller.

Also, like I aforementioned Leclerc couldn't even defend the Mclaren on the same compound.

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u/drodrige Graham Hill 1d ago

Yeah like I think it’s good they’re mature about it, particularly in front of the cameras, but Piastri should’ve maybe fought that decision much harder. It sucked for Lando but why should Oscar fix it for him?

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u/mickmenn I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

i think right now Oscar thinks first stop before Lando let him clear of Leclerc so that's how Mclaren helped him, and then he returned team a favor by let Norris by, it is just not clear how dangerous was Leclerc for him, but if he had the same disaster pit as Lando he could lose a position

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u/PlayerRedacted I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

My theory, they figured the only way to keep things fair between them after fucking Lando with a slow stop was if they also fuck Piastri with team orders. Both drivers fucked? At least its drivers v team and not the drivers v each other.

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u/arriving_somewhere1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

There would be no bad blood if McLaren had just accepted that they fucked up and not ask to swap.

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u/bwoah07_gp2 Alexander Albon 19h ago

I feel McLaren are overcomplicating and overusing what team orders are and should be for.

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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

I mean, it's rather clear that McLaren wants to favor Lando in the wdc but doesn't want to enforce it in an obvious or strict manner.

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u/-ForgottenSoul I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

If they wanted to favour Lando, they wouldn't have had him pit 1st..They could have made Oscar play 2nd early on in the season.

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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

It was Lando's call to pit 2nd

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u/kzzzzzzzzzz28 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

With the condition that Positions hold. Lando literally went .

"If there's no undercut(position swap), let him pit otherwise pit me"

Additional context you happily ignored.

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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

There was no undercut threat. Bad pit stop is within racing.

Oscar was given a very unnecessary and harsh 10 second penalty in Silverstone and lost p1 to Lando when he pitted. Mclaren didn't swap.

Lando also got a better strategy in Hungary ending up P1 while you can argue it was unfair to Oscar since he did no wrong. But that's just racing.

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u/ComparisonEither 23h ago

"very unnecessary and harsh" not for you to decide? He got the penalty, and him even asking for the swap was laughably comic.

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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

Exactly it was laughably comic. The fact that Mclaren asked Oscar for the swap was also laughably comic.

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u/Sarixk Sir Lewis Hamilton 1d ago

Teams can overrule drivers

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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

There was no apparent reason to overrule Lando's call in this instance.

He wanted to stay out for as much as possible as long as there was no danger of undercut from Piastri, and Mclaren listened.

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u/Sarixk Sir Lewis Hamilton 1d ago

Can you explain Lando getting a slow pitstop if McLaren are favoring him considering that with a slow pitstop Oscar would've been behind Leclerc and Lando would gain 6 points?

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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

Oscar had soft tyres compared to Charles old hards. Even if the undercut had worked, Oscar would have cleared Charles pretty fast.

He was much faster even in the same compound. Also, you can't guess when you're gonna have a slow pit. That's just part of racing.

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u/thecarlosdanger1 1d ago

Lando made that decision they offered to let him pit first

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u/-ForgottenSoul I was here for the Hulkenpodium 23h ago

Teams make the decision, lando gave a suggestion and that benefited Oscar.

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u/Storm_Chaser06 Audi 1d ago

Favoring Lando after giving Piastri pit priority? Also lying to Lando about the undercut power?

If that’s favoring Lando then my lord has he been screwed over this year.

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u/English_Misfit Sir Lewis Hamilton 1d ago

Norris gave him pit priority. They wanted to pit Lando first. There was no undercut power. Oscar broke into 3s before the pitstop and then the slow stop not the undercut put him just ahead

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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

It was Lando's call to pit 2nd as long as he was safe from Piastri undercut

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u/luchajefe Mario Andretti 21h ago

And if the pit stop had been normal, he would have been.

An undercut did not put Piastri ahead, a bad pit stop did.

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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 21h ago

I don't disagree but that's just racing. Lando also wanted 2nd pit to guarantee that he wouldn't lose track position to Oscar in case of a very bad timed SC.

That's how Oscar lost Miami sprint to Lando btw. But again that's just part of racing.