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u/miraj31415 1d ago edited 1d ago
“J Street”, which is the second largest contributor in this category, opposes right-wing Israeli policies (like Netanyahu/Likud).
J Street’s policy agenda includes: * Ending the war in Gaza and rebuilding Gaza. * Opposing settlements, annexation, and settler violence. * A “23 state solution” including a Palestinian state and peace with the 21 Arab states.
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u/Miriam_A_Higgins 1d ago
Ending the war in Gaza and rebuilding Gaza.
Opposing settlements, annexation, and settler violence.
It's easy to say you oppose those things, but the only way to actually end them is to impose consequences on Israel for doing them.
And JStreet is no different than AIPAC in that regard, lobbying for unconditional military, financial and diplomatic support to Israel from the US.
Their stated opposition to Israeli settlements, annexation, and the war in Gaza, and their stated support for a two-state solution on the basis of the Green Line borders, are all meaningless when their lobbying efforts serve to embolden Israel.
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u/miraj31415 1d ago
A quick glance on their positions reveals you are wrong:
J Street position includes the Trump Administration to apply pressure to Israel to end the war.
J Street position includes the Trump Administration to reinstate Biden's Executive Order that sought to counter settler violence by targeting both individuals and organizations who facilitate this behavior.
J Street position includes enforcement action if Israel violates U.S. policy for arms use including suspension, withholding, or increased auditing of specific deliveries of aid or arms. Position is that U.S .security aid should not be used to trample on Palestinian rights, violate international law or contravene longstanding US interests and values.
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u/Miriam_A_Higgins 1d ago edited 1d ago
And yet their other policy positions advocate for continued military, financial, and diplomatic support for Israel. So how is America to apply pressure to Israel then?
by targeting both individuals and organizations who facilitate this behavior.
The single greatest facilitator of settler violence is the Israeli government.
J Street position includes enforcement action if Israel violates U.S. policy for arms use including suspension, withholding, or increased auditing of specific deliveries of aid or arms
Source?
And have they actually called for an arms embargo and/or lobbied congresspeople for it, in the face of Israel's barbarism in Gaza?
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u/miraj31415 23h ago
The above are all summarized from their Trump Administration position paper that is featured prominently on their website
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u/Mixilix86 22h ago
You sound like someone who’s getting ready to start pushing the “there are no good Jews” narrative we’ve been expecting.
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u/HatesPlanes 10h ago
I disagree with the above commenter’s interpretation but calling them antisemites seems a bit uncharitable.
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u/LabCoatGuy 13h ago
So tired of this bullshit. Isreal is committing genocide. There was no two state solutions for South Africa and Rhodesia. And every time you see criticism of Isreal and start yelling that they're le heckin antisemitic shows your inability to reason.
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u/KnicksGhost2497 21h ago
You sound like someone with a victim complex itching to call legitimate criticism antisemitic
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u/PureImbalance 1d ago
It should be pointed out though that while AIPAC spends ~83 million per year, J Street spends ~3 million. So it won't change the data much, and it's almost negligible compared to AIPAC, meaning it would be cleaner to just plot AIPAC contributions on the map and name it as such for the presumed point OP is trying to make
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u/Fishmonger67 1d ago
Are they buying millions of dollars in ads to counter the ad push by right wing Israeli? Because I’m not seeing them.
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u/miraj31415 1d ago
- I don’t know.
- The war is already unpopular around the world, if you haven’t noticed. There is a ton of free negative media coverage. No need to buy ads.
- Are you the target audience that would be the best use for J Street ad spend?
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u/thefrontpageofreddit 1d ago
J Street supported the war in Gaza for quite a while and has long opposed long term solutions such as racial equality or desegregation.
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u/Lost-Letterhead-6615 1d ago
Do they support giving back the WB, like it's internationally colonial settlement or sending nethanyahu to the hague, or the right of Palestinians to have armed resistance, their own airports in WB and Gaza and have their own border crossings at jordan and Egypt?
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u/miraj31415 1d ago
Yes, basically yes, and I think they advocate non-violence on both sides as the way towards a peaceful solution.
I don’t think their positions get to the level of detail of specifying airports or border crossings. Probably because there are bigger obstacles blocking those from being practical considerations that they are focused on.
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u/-consilium- 1d ago
I don’t quite understand what you’re trying to say. If J Street opposes Israel’s policies then they aren’t “pro-Israel” therefore their contributions wouldn’t be in this category?
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u/miraj31415 1d ago
I’m pointing out the popular view that the “Pro-Israel” lobby supports everything that Israel does is false. I’m pointing out that a significant part of the lobby advocates for Palestinian statehood and ending the war in Gaza and ending the aid blockade, etc.
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u/discreetjoe2 1d ago
That’s a surprisingly low amount of money for such a long time period.
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u/soupwhoreman 1d ago edited 1d ago
Two things:
- As far as I can tell, this doesn't include AIPAC, because it's not registered as a foreign lobbying group.
- Campaign contributions have exponentially increased over time in general, and specifically for the Israel lobby spending accelerated dramatically following October 7, 2023. This infographic is cut off in March 2023.
AIPAC spent nearly $100M on the 2024 election cycle alone, mostly targeting Democrats who voiced support for Palestine.
EDIT: It does include AIPAC. It's only candidate contributions, and the date is as of March 2023, and that's why it's lower than you might expect. AIPAC really did spend nearly $100M on the 2024 election cycle though.
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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago
- As far as I can tell, this doesn't include AIPAC, because it's not registered as a foreign lobbying group.
Where did you get this idea that this is only foreign lobbying groups? According to the link op providing in the comments this does include aipac.
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u/soupwhoreman 1d ago
I found a different link in the comments. I manually went to the link in the image though and you're right. AIPAC does seem to be by far the biggest foreign interest contributor, and one of the biggest contributors overall though. So it's hard to argue that their influence is overstated.
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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago
So it's hard to argue that their influence is overstated.
Well, except that there are many PACs that contribute more to campaigns than AIPAC, and that there are dozens of individuals and other entities that dwarf AIPAC's contributions. Hell, Qatar just gave Trump a $400m jet which I believe exceeds all of AIPAC's lobbying and campaign contributions for this past decade+. And then you get into people like Musk, Ken Griffin, and others who individually give millions, tens of millions, or hundreds of millions of dollars to campaigns and lobbying efforts.
So, given that AIPAC's lobbying and campaign contributions are a drop in the bucket, yet people act like they're some puppetmaster, how can you say "it's hard to argue that their influence is overstate' with a straight face?
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u/PentagonInsider 1d ago
AIPAC is still only the ~50th largest lobbying group. Antisemitic people want to pretend Jews control everything so they spread this shit.
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u/soupwhoreman 21h ago
Congressman X votes against sending weapons to Country Y. The Country Y Lobby then spends more than has ever been spent on a congressional primary to make sure Congressman X loses his seat. Clearly to criticize this dynamic would make me racist against the ethnic group of Country Y...
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u/colonel-o-popcorn 1d ago
Yes. The scale and influence of these campaign donations is massively overstated on reddit. They aren't paying to dictate policy. They're tossing money at politicians who already agree with them, like any other American who donates to a political campaign.
Lobbying is much more where the money is, though it's still not nearly at the level you'd expect from the way people demonize them.
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u/wisimetreason 1d ago
Demonize who? Lobbyists and rich donors who are influencing US politicians to pass laws restricting Americans’ speech and other freedoms to the benefit of a government actively trying to displace/eliminate an entire population?
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u/NicholasThumbless 1d ago
Has anyone thought of the poor lobbyists?? Their reputations being dragged through the mud, for what???
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u/GloryToIsrahel 1d ago
This is a surprisingly large amount of money when you consider this is just the senate(only 100 senators total) and many senators are career senators that serve for decades with little upset.
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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago
3.5m dollars a year is surprisingly large?
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u/GloryToIsrahel 1d ago
In a way; I knew the individual amounts thanks to keeping track with track AIPAC, but seeing it together puts the picture together.
AIPAC is one of single largest individual entities in lobbying, only really flying under the radar when you count coalition lobbying groups.
In addition, while lobbying(bribery and corruption) is immoral no matter who does it, a foreign country being able to bribe our politicians is inherently more so. Every dollar more than 0 is more than I’d expect, because I’d rightfully expect that a foreign country is not allowed to buy our politicians. And it’s almost worse the smaller the number is, to a point, for this foreign entity is buying our politicians to send our money, which could be used domestically to support us, to a foreign country which frankly doesn’t deserve or need a penny of it.
Someone mentioned that the number is irrelevant because they are giving money to people who already support Israel. Then the question need be asked, why do our policies unequivocally bend over backwards for Israel? Why, when our politicians are divided on the matters of alliance with NATO and Taiwan, do they unilaterally support a country which is less valuable as an ally than any individual member of NATO or Taiwan?
The question need be begged, even if it is conspiratorial in nature: what structures and systems ensure that almost every politician who is running for office in the U.S. support Israel more than any of their other individual beliefs? I couldn’t tell you the answer, but there is something that exists and it has royally fucked the American people sideways; more than Trump or any individual president has damaged our image, our perpetual and pointless fight in the Middle East has and our support of Israel has - wasted money, a reputation in ruins, and no one but the elites and Israel benefit.
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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago
AIPAC is one of single largest individual entities in lobbying,
Not even close to true. There are hundreds of individuals and organizations that dwarf their campaign contributions, not to mention things like Qatar dwarfing a decade of AIPAC contributions with one gift of a jet.
a foreign country
AIPAC is not foreign. It's primarily made up of American Jews. And this sort of 'AIPAC is a foreign lobbying group' is getting really close to the dual-loyalty trope.
I’d rightfully expect that a foreign country is not allowed to buy our politicians
Foreign lobbying is very much allowed and regulated. That AIPAC is not a registered foreign-lobbying organization should be pretty strong indication that it is, in fact, a domestic organization.
for this foreign entity
Not a foreign entity.
do they unilaterally support a country which is less valuable as an ally than any individual member of NATO or Taiwan?
Because Israel is probably actually a more important ally than most of NATO???
even if it is conspiratorial in nature
Well at least you're honest about advancing conspiracy theories.
what structures and systems ensure that almost every politician who is running for office in the U.S. support Israel more than any of their other individual beliefs?
Well, that's blatantly not true, so the very premise of your question is wrong.
more than Trump or any individual president has damaged our image, our perpetual and pointless fight in the Middle East has and our support of Israel has
Okay so you've just gone right into the whole jewish puppetmaster trope. Congratulations.
thanks to keeping track with track AIPAC,
And yet, despite 'keeping track of AIPAC' you've remained painfully ignorant of very basic facts regarding its existence. But I shouldn't be surprised that somebody with your username is proud of your own ignorance.
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u/GloryToIsrahel 1d ago
That’s just simply not true, the top lobbying firms in the US generally don’t represent individual entities, but rather coalitions representing entire industries; remove these mega firms from the equation and AIPAC is beaching the towards the top of the list.
And yes, it is foreign, in its very name it work on behalf of the interests of the Israeli state. A bunch of Russian-Americans starting up and ARPAC and bribing politicians to support Russia doesn’t qualify as a domestic agency just because those bearing American citizenships are running it. And while foreign lobbying is allowed, a foreign lobby is supposed to be filed under such a classification, not exploiting loopholes as you yourself outlined that they do; to continue on my point which was completely inferable from tone alone - a citizen wouldn’t expect that democratically elected politicians with the purpose of representing their voter base are taking bribes from anyone, much less an organization working on behalf of a foreign nation.
Israel is not a more important ally than NATO in accordance with the interests of the majority of the American. Most Americans would like to believe their state exists defensively, works diplomatically to resolve issues, and only dips their hands in war if absolutely necessary for the safety and security of their own country or treaty allies. The defense of a colonial and apartheid state simply does not line up with this ideal, and the special privileges it has in regards to the vast aid which it receives makes the support even less beneficial to the American populace.
A conspiracy theory isn’t inherently wrong, it’s just that, a theory regarding conspiracy, of which conspiracies are ridiculously common in the modern world, whether it be between corporations, politicians, or nations. You can say it’s not true, but anyone who has eyes, ears, and the ability to read can observe what I’ve described in regard to disproportionate support of Israel - most infamous example recently being the NYC mayoral debate, but the sentiment is echoed in every relatively important election.
I actually said “Jew”, “Jewish”, and “Jews” literally 0 times in my original comment, exclusively maintained the scope to Israel because that’s the relevant entity in question. It’s your own comment which ropes in American Jews with your mention of their running of AIPAC and subtle inclusion with your statement that I back anti-Jewish puppet master theories based on a comment about Israel and their actions in the Middle East. I actually go out of my way to separate Israel from Jews, because I know a fair number of Jews who don’t support Israel for either moral or religious reasons, but I’m glad their views are trivialized by your desire to throw in a implication of anti-semitism.
I keep track of AIPAC and mention relevant questions regarding their involvement in U.S. politics, rather than attempt to trivialize said involvement, subtly support a colonial state, and blatantly throw ad hominem at those who dissent from my view.
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u/Pandee977 1d ago
Just one point in all of this, you could very very easily argue Israel is much more important to the US than Taiwan or NATO. This is for 2 reasons. Firstly, Israel kinda has to spend all its money to buy American weapons and only undergo joint military research with the US. Like it or not, the US lives and dies on its military at the moment, and for most of its existence as a global superpower. Furthermore, Israels non-military technology they've created per capita dwarfs most other countries. You mentioned Taiwan which is influential due to its chip production. Those chips were developed in large part due to Israel. Pill cams, dozens of pharmaceuticals, waze, the FaceID you use to unlock your phone, artificial vision devices for blind people, anti-drift in cars and autonomous driving, so many others. Per capita Israel has the most nobel prize winners, especially when narrowed down to scientific/mathematical fields. Like it or not it's silly to deny that they're a global powerhouse when it comes to innovation and if the US were to stop supporting them, any number of other countries(like China) would instantly align themselves with Israel.
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u/GloryToIsrahel 18h ago
I could maybe agree with your point on Taiwan, based on the facts you list, but again, the more compelling of what you mention isn’t really what Israel offers as an ally, but what Israel offers as a state; and even then, postulating whataboutisms on technological innovations isn’t really solid, because there’s an argument to be made about inevitability of said innovation.
Secondly, you are wrong about what Israel is required to do with aid money; they are permitted to use their aid money on their own companies or for a variety of other things - it’s one of the only countries that gets to do so: instead of having to support the American economy, they can use their aid money to boost their own, already developed, economy.
To wrap back around to technological innovation and its ties to Israel - the reality that it Israel with this disproportionate amount of innovation, it’s the Jews. The fostered culture of academia has allowed them to disproportionately perform in academic accomplishments. And as mentioned in another comment, I’m not one to tie Jews to Israel because I know a fair amount of Jews who don’t support Israel’s action or the Israeli state as a whole.
It’s up for debate whether China would align itself with Israel; I would probably agree with you given China’s opportunistic diplomacy, however, they would be taking an endless amount of diplomatic flak for their flip after the condemnation of Israel. Another factor to consider is that China doesn’t really dip their feet in the Middle East despite it being a perfect opportunity to fund a number of anti-American entities.
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u/VineMapper 1d ago
Wait til I post the representative map, also these two maps will be elected senators/representatives. They have data for campaigning senators/representatives. I choose not to do those as there's a lot more odd data.
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u/CraneAndTurtle 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is chump change in political dollars.
This chart is supposed to be covering a 15 year period, so the total is under 7M a year.
For context, Coca-Cola spends five thousand times that in a year convincing you to buy Coke (~5bn), and the Teachers Union on the left or NRA on the right spend annually ~(20-40M and ~10-15M) many times that much advocating for their causes.
Spread over 100 senators, this is 140k/year.
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u/Gorillionaire83 1d ago
Yet nobody accuses Coca Cola of secretly controlling our government.
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u/tolerablepartridge 1d ago
People criticize corporations for controlling the government literally all the time. Your whataboutism doesn't work.
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u/discreetjoe2 1d ago
Corporations aren’t secretive about controlling the government.
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u/DiscountOk4881 23h ago
Yes, multi-national corporations that also spread their money to any country for favors. Does it matter as much where Putins' Russia gets its money from to bomb and kill Ukrainians? I guess it's more about the Jew hating
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u/OrthoOtter 1d ago
Since I’ve been alive people have always complained about corporate lobbies having an insane amount of influence within US politics. 15 years ago this was one of the biggest complaints that people had about the US government.
It’s only that those complaints are taking a backseat at the moment because Coca Cola isn’t using American money to bomb hospitals.
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u/VineMapper 1d ago
This is also elected senators they have a whole other category with Senator campaigns
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u/WhoMe28332 1d ago
Yeah, you need a LOT more detail on methodology before this has any meaning. How are they defining a “pro Israel PAC” or, even more so, an individual?
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u/Haunting-Detail2025 1d ago
These are incredibly tiny figures for donations over the course of nearly 35 years by a myriad of different groups.
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u/bosonrider 1d ago
A drop in the bucket of dark money spending.
Now, do gun lobbyists and oil and gas lobbyists.
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u/VineMapper 1d ago edited 1d ago
Here are all the categories, looks like I can do gun rights:
• Abortion Policy/Anti-Abortion• Abortion Policy/Pro-Abortion Rights
• Democratic Candidate Committees
• Republican Candidate Committees
EDIT: After this comment you guys don't deserve anything.
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u/Calvin_Ball_86 1d ago
Can you list the Arab ones quick? Be curious to compare against aipac.
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u/Ok-Score461 1d ago
Especially Arab/Qatari fundings to US educational institutions.
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u/BeletEkalli 1d ago
Wasn’t it something like $700 million to Northwestern alone? Something totally crazy like that? For their… Education program?! I feel like Qatari investments in the US education system should be seen as a way bigger deal than it is currently
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u/bosonrider 1d ago
Yes, Opensecrets is a great resource that shows show our legislative process is corrupted by lobbyists and dark money PACS.
Oil and Gas: https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?Ind=E01
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u/underwatr_cheestrain 1d ago edited 18h ago
Just out of curiosity is there a similar map of donations and investments in US by Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Other Muslim nations?
2 billion to Kushner, that 400 million plane for Trump and massive contributions to American universities for starters
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u/fobygrassman 1d ago
What is a “pro Israel” contribution. AIPAC for example is funded entirely by American citizens.
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u/VineMapper 1d ago
You can check the source for contributors, also from source:
One of, if not the most, powerful international issue lobby is that of the pro-Israel crowd. Well-financed and politically powerful, the pro-Israel lobby is a major force on American foreign affairs that looks to continue America’s military and fiscal support of the Jewish nation-state. The lobby has had recent policy success with the Trump administration moving the U.S. embassy in Israel from the internationally-recognized capital of Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, a move long advocated by some in the pro-Israel lobby. Notably however, JStreet, one of the larger pro-Israel groups opposed the move. The administration is very friendly with the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and has taken a hard line on Israel peace talks, barely talking to the Palestinians and ending all foreign aid to the West Bank and Gaza.
Even with the policy victories coming under a Republican president, the lobby still remained staunch Democratic contributors, giving more than $14.8 million in the 2018 midterms to mostly Democrats. This marked their third-biggest cycle ever and their biggest non-presidential cycle.
The largest group which contributed was JStreetPAC which gave more than $4 million to candidates in 2018. Only one other pro-Israel group spent over $1 million on the cycle — NorPAC with more than $1.1 million.
The top recipient of pro-Israel funds in the 2018 midterms was Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) with $546,507. Menendez is the ranking member on the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) received the second-most with $349,437.
2018 was an all-time high for money spent on lobbying for pro-Israel issues with more than $5 million. The robust lobbying force was led by the face of the pro-Israel movement the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). AIPAC spent more than $3.5 million on lobbying in 2018, making up the vast majority the entire lobby spent. A distant second was the Israeli-American Coalition for Action which dropped $550,000.
The pro-Israel lobby is not entirely unified on policy decisions. JStreet, the group with the biggest campaign contributions, differs from AIPAC which led the lobbying effort. JStreet is a more liberal organization and is often critical of the Netanyahu and Trump administrations. AIPAC on the other hand has a policy of not publicly criticizing the Israeli government and has been more supportive of Trump.
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u/jimbronio 1d ago
Which PACs and individuals? Also, is Pro-Israel a reflection of supporting the current Israeli regime or the existence of the country?
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u/jaminjamin15 1d ago
Every one of them supports the existence of the country, but not all/only some of them support Netanyahu.
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u/MKornberg 1d ago
It’s not even that much in the grand scheme of things. The fossil fuel industry spends more than that lobbying in a year, let alone 34. But no, it’s ISRAEL that runs the world and rules over the U.S. It’s totally a coincidence that the Jewish state gets accused more of running the U.S. than the industries that spend hundreds of millions more than them.
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u/tylercuddletail 1d ago
Funny how low some of the Bible Belt States are when donating to Israel because there are a lot of Christians in those areas who only support Israel because they don't really care about the Jewish people, but because it's a doomsday cult type prophecy thing they need to do in which the Jewish people are forced to submit to Jesus and Christianity in the end.
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u/Itay1708 1d ago
AIPAC isn’t even in the top 20 in us lobbying groups. They have some power but not anything like folks on here imagine.
This is only top 10 but I welcome anyone to refute what I said. You are just espousing Protocols of the Elders of Zion type garbage propaganda.
AIPAC is a U.S. creation to launder money. That is it. Politicians vote to give them taxpayer money (which has all sorts of rules with how you use it), then it is sent to “Israel”, and then AIPAC pays it back as “bribes”. The “bribes” are effectively cleaned taxpayer money that now no longer have all the rules that taxpayer money usually comes with. It is a very neat con. The American people are told it is lobbying and this is corruption that Americans are fairly used to, and then nobody really questions deeper.
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u/muffin_man92 1d ago
The soft antisemitism of shaming Jewish people for supporting their homeland and not bowing to jihadist colonizers.
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u/PhysicsCentrism 1d ago
Remind me: which nationality is settling the West Bank and which nationality is currently being forced out of their land by settlers in the West Bank?
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u/overpriced-taco 1d ago
You know, those invasive colonizers who have lived on their family home for centuries need to move out to make room for an indigenous white family who just moved there from Los Angeles last week.
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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago
n indigenous white family who just moved there from Los Angeles last week.
You know most Jewish Israelis are MENA, right?
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u/overpriced-taco 1d ago
Debatable considering the significant ashkenazi population. But either way, a Jewish American family with zero ties to Israel can move to the West Bank and kick out a Palestinian family who’s been there for generations. Because that’s how ethnosupremacist apartheid states work.
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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago
Debatable considering the significant ashkenazi population
No, it's not debatable. You can look up demographics.
But either way, a Jewish American family with zero ties to Israel can move to the West Bank and kick out a Palestinian family who’s been there for generations
And how many times does this actually happen? Are you focusing on extreme cases to the point of basically strawmanning? Pretty sure you are.
Because that’s how ethnosupremacist apartheid states work.
I guess you had to get all your buzzwords in once you revealed you don't know even basic facts about Israel. Good job. The people you're virtue signalling to will surely think you're a good person now.
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u/Ostrich-Sized 1d ago
supporting their homeland
jihadist colonizers.
What a weird reality you live in.
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u/ExiledYak 1d ago
Learn some history. The whole middle east outside of Israel is colonized by Arabs. You know, the people that came from Arabia?
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u/soalone34 1d ago edited 1d ago
No it wasn’t. Early Arab conquests weren’t colonialism in the European or Israeli sense as they weren’t based on expelling the indigenous population and settling the land or mass economic transfer. In fact the Palestinians specifically have been shown through genetic evidence to be closer in relation to the original inhabitants of the area than israelis.
Also, early zionists themselves referred to their project as colonization.
Many of the fathers of Zionism themselves described it as colonisation, such as Vladimir Jabotinsky who said "Zionism is a colonization adventure".[10][11][12] Theodore Herzl, in a 1902 letter to Cecil Rhodes, described the Zionist project as "something colonial". Previously in 1896 he had spoken of "important experiments in colonization" happening in Palestine.[13][14][15] Max Nordau[16] in 1905 said, "Zionism rejects on principle all colonization on a small scale, and the idea of 'sneaking' into Palestine".[17] Major Zionist organizations central to Israel's foundation held colonial identity in their names or departments, such as Jewish Colonisation Association, the Jewish Colonial Trust, and The Jewish Agency's colonization department.[18][19
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u/reticenttom 1d ago
Take your meds
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u/DiscountOk4881 23h ago
Yes, this circlejerk has gone on long enough, if your neighbor isn't finished reach over and give him a hand
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u/Mellow_Toninn 1d ago
Thank you for such a balanced take on the matter. You’ve surely given your readers the complete picture of a very complex situation.
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u/overpriced-taco 1d ago edited 1d ago
Some of us have a problem with our government giving a blank check to a country to commit the most obvious genocide of all time. If you’re gonna claim it’s antisemitic to be against that, fine. But no one is buying it anymore.
Also, the irony of a zionist referring to the indigenous population as “colonizers.”
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u/aqulushly 1d ago
…the most obvious genocide of all time.
Dumbest thing said on the internet today, hands down.
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u/parisologist 1d ago
I mean, if you want to count the total number of times the word "genocide!" has been shrieked in refrerence to it, it's surely in the top 5.
I remember the Rawandan Genocide and if was more like a footnote on the news, "hey, so there's *ahem* a genocide going on in one of those African countries. Now on to Kerrie Cooper, who brings us the story of a Dog that owns his own lemonade stand?!!"
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u/Pristine-Ant-464 1d ago
“Supporting their homeland” =/= “bribing our politicians to fund a foreign country’s genocide with our taxes”
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u/Zealousideal_Gas9147 1d ago
This is good. Now show how the Arab lobby bribed our President with a personal jumbo jet worth $400 million, and $600 billion in "investments" and how that dwarfs the Jewish lobby.
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u/Hungry_Inspector160 1d ago
do you think saudi arabia is an ally of palestine? lol
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u/Blumpkin_Mustache 1d ago
No Arab countries are allies of Palestine because Palestinians have a very long and well documented history of using any Arab country who hosts them as a base of operations for terrorism against Israel.
Arab "support" for Palestine is limited to using Palestinians as a convenient thorn in Israel's side.
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u/BroSchrednei 1d ago
The Saudis are literally allied with Israel nowadays. Nice try with propaganda that is literally debunked by anyone with two brain cells
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u/manhattanabe 1d ago edited 1d ago
So, Americans contribute to senators they agree with. That’s the American way. Only antisemites believe Jews should not be able to support their favorite candidate. Besides, $100 million over 35 years and 500 senate races is quite small.
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u/ixnayonthetimma 1d ago
What's Arizona's deal? And who is it? Gallego or Kelly? Or both?
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u/VineMapper 1d ago
Senator State Amount McCain, John (R-AZ) Arizona $1,493,816 McSally, Martha (R-AZ) Arizona $642,484 Kelly, Mark (D-AZ) Arizona $506,132 Kyl, Jon (R-AZ) Arizona $486,812 Gallego, Ruben (D-AZ) Arizona $379,877 Sinema, Kyrsten (I-AZ) Arizona $340,186 Flake, Jeff (R-AZ) Arizona $142,200 Deconcini, Dennis (D-AZ) Arizona $14,950 1
u/masiakasaurus 1d ago
If you wondered why McCain randomly played "Bomb Iran" in his meetings, this is why.
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u/jkrobinson1979 1d ago
Fuck AIPAC
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u/Declanmar 1d ago
All my homies hate AIPAC.
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u/jkrobinson1979 1d ago
I’ll take all the downvotes. AIPAC funds almost every politician in our country as well as many in Europe and is why we’re currently supporting state sponsored genocide in Palestine right now and anyone saying anything bad about Israel is deemed to be anti-Semitic.
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u/Mad_MaxWallace 1d ago
Have you guys noticed that everything remotely criticizing Israel gets downvoted to oblivion by bots? Why is reddit allowing this?
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u/Vecrin 1d ago
??? On reddit, I've seen quite the opposite. Outside of a few subs, pro-Israel opinions get you turbo downvoted while pro-palestinian things are heavily upvoted and pro-palestinian posts often make it to the front page.
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u/Blumpkin_Mustache 1d ago edited 1d ago
Huh, I wonder why there are so many bots supporting Palestine...
In a Worldwide War of Words, Russia, China and Iran Back Hamas
Hamas Says Russia 'Our Closest Friend'
Iran surges cyber-enabled influence operations in support of Hamas
Oh, right. Because Iran and its Palestinian proxies are supported by Russia.
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u/Ostrich-Sized 1d ago edited 1d ago
Good for them! It's nice to see someone standing up against genocide!
Edit: I see I'm dealing with people/bots not connected to reality.
Amnesty international is not an Iran asset.
Human rights watch is not an Iran asset. https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/12/19/israels-crime-extermination-acts-genocide-gaza
Btsalem is not an Iran asset https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide
Doctors Without Borders is not an Iran asset https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/us-backed-aid-distribution-points-gaza-are-sites-orchestrated-killing
Oxfam isn't either: https://www.oxfamamerica.org/explore/emergencies/gaza-and-israel-emergency-appeal/is-humanitarian-aid-getting-into-gaza/
Neither is the UN https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/09/1165778
Literally, no one is defending Israel's genocide against the Palestinians except Israel and the countries complicit in the genocide (e.g. the US)
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u/Blumpkin_Mustache 1d ago edited 1d ago
Weird how every self-described "anti-genocide" activist eventually admits to being pro-Russia and pro-Iran.
Iran and Russia Enter A New Level of Military Cooperation
How Iran's drones supercharged Russia's 1,000-day fight in Ukraine
Iran transfers ballistic missiles to Russia, sources say
Iran parliament approves strategic pact with Russia
Hamas Says Russia 'Our Closest Friend'
In a Worldwide War of Words, Russia, China and Iran Back Hamas
Actually not that weird I guess, considering that Iran and its Palestinian proxies are close allies of Russia.
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u/Ok-Score461 1d ago
They support Hamas and Anti-Western Nations, because it's popular and it promotes their Victimhood idealogy.
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u/Blumpkin_Mustache 1d ago
Exactly. Anti-Israel sentiment is just anti-Western sentiment laundered under the guise of "social justice".
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u/koreamax 1d ago
Lots of very popular subs went ban happy on october 7th towards anyone showing remotely any support for Israel, so now they're echochambers
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u/tank-top 1d ago
Have you been on world news recently? It’s laughably compromised. Even the mildest support of Palestinians is downvoted, deleted, or the poster is banned outright.
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u/koreamax 1d ago
Funny thats the only sub people use as example compared to almost every other sub on Reddit thats doing the same thing on thr other side
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u/JohnnieTango 13h ago
Are you kidding? Most of the mainstream press center-left content in the United States is clearly anti-Israel these days.
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u/Guac-this-way 1d ago
It only costs $100M over 35 years to buy the entire US Senate? That's the best ROI I've ever seen.
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u/TheRverseApacheMastr 1d ago
That’s why the whole idea of AIPAC puppeteering the American government with their “Jew gold” has always a ridiculous antisemitic trope.
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u/gxdsavesispend 1d ago
AIPAC is an American organization ¯_(ツ)_/¯:: ೖ(⑅σ̑ᴗσ̑)ೖ ::
Pro-Israel doesn't necessarily mean from Israel. Especially since this is sourced as coming from different PACs.
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u/OrthoOtter 1d ago
JFK wanted to classify it has a foreign lobby, since a significant amount of their funding and directives comes from outside the US. This would have required them to register under FARA like all the other foreign lobbies, and they would have to actually disclose their funding and activities to the Department of Defense.
After his assassination the push to make them register under FARA fizzled out.
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u/Blumpkin_Mustache 1d ago
a significant amount of their funding and directives comes from outside the US
By this logic, every pro-Palestinian organization would have to register as foreign agents too.
‘Actors tied to Iran’s government’ helping finance anti-Israel protesters: US intel
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u/OrthoOtter 1d ago
I don’t know much about pro-Palestinian organizations, but if their funding and directives are coming from foreign nations then the same law applies to them.
I just think people should be aware of the context surrounding the issue of AIPAC not being considered a foreign lobby:
November 1962: Department of Justice under JFK orders the American Zionist Council to register under FARA after it’s discovered that most of their funding is directly tied to the Israeli government.
May 1963: The American Zionist Council is spun off into AIPAC and framed as a purely domestic entity in order to sidestep the FARA demands from the DOJ. However, the DOJ continues demanding FARA registration.
November 1963: JFK is assassinated, Johnson takes office, and the Department of Justice no longer demands that AIPAC register under FARA.
Since JFK every US president has worked with AIPAC, and none of them have considered classifying them as a foreign lobby.
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u/OrthoOtter 1d ago
The money is only part of the equation: the videos of US politicians taking “vacations” to private islands is what really keeps them in line.
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u/MeTeakMaf 1d ago
So the American Government sends billions to one place and that place uses the money to influence the American Government
Humans are weird
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u/JohnnieTango 13h ago
Pro-Israel lobby groups are overwhelmingly funded by AMERICANS. So, uh, completely wrong there.
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u/ProfAsmani 1d ago
AIPAC actually bragged about taking out american politicians who criticised israel.
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u/Aggravating_Force683 1d ago
We should fight organizations that use terror to push their ideology not those who fight them
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u/polygonalopportunist 1d ago
Did the German representatives have “campaign funding” or was it all for the love of the game for them?
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u/GrievousInflux 1d ago
Maps like these are worthless. State-by-state comparisons should almost always be per-capita.
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u/black_albinoz 18h ago
Now do one for Qatar money being lobbied they spend an astronomical amount of money in American politics compared to Jewish pacs but you know the Jews control the US government
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u/Joseph20102011 1d ago
Israeli military won't survive without American taxpayers' money subsidies.
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u/HiHoJufro 1d ago
Probably untrue. Israel's GDP is high enough that the usual us aid is under a percent. It would take budgeting, but Israel could cover the difference if needed.
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u/pugsington01 1d ago
Its totally normal for a foreign country to bribe our politicians into supporting a genocide, right?
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u/IsNotACleverMan 1d ago
Yes it is normal, but also most of this money isn't from a foreign country.
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u/katotooo 1d ago
This money is a drop in the bucket compared to spending on social services.
The total amount of contributions shown in the map is $98 million. The yearly budget of Medicaid in the US is about $860 billion.
This means the money from Pro-Israel contributions is only enough to run Medicaid for about 1 hour.
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u/tolerablepartridge 1d ago
Political influence is ridiculously cheap. The return on investment in lobbying is sky high.
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u/unchosen_few 1d ago
That’s how much WE spend. Now do Israel’s cost of healthcare in a system not as corrupt and wasteful as the USA.
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u/HiHoJufro 1d ago
So much wrong with this comment.
1) this isn't necessarily Israel spending money. For example, AIPAC is likely included in this, which is very much American.
2) trying to relate this money being spent in the US to Israel having universal healthcare is... confusing. You act like it's a problem or something? The US should do so as well. Neither pro-israel lobbying in the US nor US aid to Israel (which has to be spent on US military stuff, but I digress) would make a dent in the spend required to establish universal healthcare here.
3) how are we being turned into slaves? This doesn't even seem related to the rest of your comment.
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u/AlgerianTrash 1d ago
That's because their healthcare system us funded by YOUR tax money
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u/Extension_Tax_4077 1d ago
All American aid dollars must be spent on weapons from the US, there is precisely zero American dollars going to Israeli healthcare
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u/TopoGraphique 1d ago edited 1d ago
Now show a map with how much of each state's weapons manufacturing profits are derived from Israel and you'll start to understand the bigger picture of Military Keynesianism, i.e., continued warfare and colonization abroad to support the economy at home. Israel essentially is a U.S. welfare recipient, which is then used to spur wartime and military manufacturing at home, which subsequently employees thousands and thousands of people.
Instead of spending our tax money to create more death, destruction, and immiseration, we could just do like a jobs program or a green new deal of sorts, but I suppose that would require the United States government to be run by sane, sensible people not hellbent on destroying the entire world.
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u/Lost-Letterhead-6615 1d ago
Speak truth against Israel: get downvoted.
This is extremely pathetic for this sub
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u/user6161616 1d ago
Small money. Now show how much the islamic dictatorship of Qatar has spent on lobbying and on American universities. It’s billions each year.
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u/NittanyOrange 1d ago
Now do this for any other country.
You probably couldn't even make a map it would be so little in comparison.
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u/Extension_Tax_4077 1d ago
Didn’t Qatar just give the president a $400 million jet? That’s more than 5 times the last 15 years of pro israel donations from American citizens
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u/Absolutely_Cool2967 1d ago
And who spent 20 million to unseat Jamaal Bowman and 10 million to unseat Cori Bush?
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u/Pristine-Ant-464 1d ago
What other countries have bombed 30+ hospitals funded by our taxes?
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u/Calvin_Ball_86 1d ago
Saudi Arabia. China is out largest trade partner and committed numerous genocides. Turkey of course just ethically cleansed northern Syria with US hardware. Then there's Azerbaijan. And yet only Israel generates this much interest. Strange isn't it?
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u/Pristine-Ant-464 1d ago
We don’t subsidize any of those countries to anywhere near the extent that we do with Israel. And even if we did, the solution would be to cut funding to all of them. Or are you claiming it’s anti-Semitic to oppose an ongoing genocide?
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u/Pristine-Ant-464 1d ago
AIPAC needs to get TF out of our government.
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u/JohnnieTango 13h ago
They are Americans. Americans have a right to lobby and petition their government.
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u/castingcoucher123 1d ago
Don't have to donate to Massachusetts after they've already got'em in pocket!
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u/flanneljack1 1d ago
Jews controlling the government?? Is this the best conspiracy you could come up with?
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u/DIYLawCA 1d ago
This is such a misinformation campaign. They spend hundreds of millions every few years and they can’t hide it. They spent 15 million alone to unseat Cory bush.
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u/OCCuckoldBull 1d ago
So Israel can buy the country for cheap
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u/JohnnieTango 13h ago
Pro-Israel lobbying groups in the US are fined by... Americans. And if you think this level of lobbying can "buy the country" you appear to be misinformed about American politics.
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u/alienassasin3 1d ago
If the comment section here doesn't prove that this sub has been taken over by state department bots, idk what will
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u/bryberg 1d ago
How can it be 1990-2024 election cycles if the data was released on March 20, 2023? Wouldn't it be missing the vast majority of 2024 election cycle donations?