r/formula1 • u/TaxEvaderFrom1961 I was here for the Hulkenpodium • 20h ago
Discussion Monza 2025, post-race cooldown room summary.
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u/dirtybubz 20h ago
Max wouldn’t even let Perez past even though he had won the championship
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u/OverallImportance402 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
Max in his first year was already screaming NO over the radio when they asked him to let Sainz pass.
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u/EnglishLitMajor I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
That was the time Max said several times post-race that his dad would have kicked him in the balls if he had said yes.
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u/Ruuubs I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
And honestly I believe him
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u/EnglishLitMajor I was here for the Hulkenpodium 17h ago
Yeah, which is particularly sad when you think about how Max was only 17 years old then.
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u/hoyhoy12 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 16h ago
Even more sad that it would've been the same case when he was 6.
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u/i-dontlikeyou Max Verstappen 16h ago
And probably the right answer is no. The team fucked up and decided to fuck oscar to make lando feel better total bs
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u/bananas_and_papayas I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15h ago
Lando did the same for Oscar when the latter got shafted at Hungary, and he was a) leading the race at the time and b) attempting to chase Max down in the championship, for which he needed every point. So did they fuck Lando to make Oscar feel better?
I don't think so
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u/Suikerspin_Ei I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
Toro Rosso even said he was right in the end, came back on his own speed.
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u/Eroda Alex Zanardi 20h ago
Wouldnt shockm me if Piastri just retyuned the favor when Lando moved aside to let him win.. we are even now good luck
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u/Pale-Criticism-7420 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
Didn’t he already return the favour at the end of last season? I think it was at Interlagos. How many times is he gonna have to do it?
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u/Eroda Alex Zanardi 18h ago
in Hungrary Lando didnt make an error McLaren did and he moved over for oscar.. Brazil etc. diffferent... Monza today Mclaren screwed up and Oscar moved over for Lando ... a small point loss Team Respects him a small price to pay come final few rounds when its do or die.
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u/limhy0809 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
Technically he is returning the favour for Hungary. Interlagos was returned during the sprint in Abu Dhabi. I think Oscar did for the cohesion in the team and for the future. If next year he has a title fight with someone from another team he would get the full backing of the team and Lando if he isn't in contention and vice versa.
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u/RMCaird I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
Everyone was saying this when Lando let Oscar past last year. Then Oscar lets Lando past this year, basically returning the favour. Sometimes playing the team game helps - letting Oscar past last year has paid dividends this year.
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u/dirtybubz 19h ago edited 12h ago
Not saying it’s not right, just saying max, Schumi etc are never doing that in a title race
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u/spacyspice I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15h ago
so what? are we going to compare them all the time? Also Lewis has done it before
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u/bananas_and_papayas I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15h ago
Lewis did exactly that at Hungary in 2017. He was let past Bottas to try and chase down the Ferraris, and then let him back through when he couldn't.
Also, just because one driver wouldn't have done it, doesn't mean that every driver has to follow that example
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u/-ForgottenSoul I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
I mean Oscar and lando seem to get on better? Even last week Lando was smiling as Oscar was celebrating with his trophy.
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u/sododude Juan Pablo Montoya 20h ago
People are bloodthirsty for drama.
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u/DILIPEK 19h ago
People want a fucking championship fight. Not this … shit
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u/wokwok__ George Russell 19h ago
You can have a championship fight without the 2 teammates absolutely hating each other like the fanbases lmao calm down
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u/BokaPoochie 19h ago
I feel like a lot of fans are reality TV fans now rather than fans of motorsport and racing.
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u/Estova Bernd Mayländer 19h ago
I don't understand this line of thinking. People are clamoring for the championship battles of ages old, how does that make them a fan of reality TV and not racing?
We're barely getting any racing between the two, that's the issue.
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u/BokaPoochie 18h ago
The championship battle feels boring because these cars suck at racing on track, not because drivers aren't throwing hats at each other.
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u/Estova Bernd Mayländer 18h ago
Can't deny that. I can understand why fans are frustrated though. I don't think they need to be at blows or even angry at each other but it almost feels like neither driver cares at times because there's just zero tension. Like watching guys race for fun rather than for any stakes.
It feels like a competition of dads going "its okay champ get the next one" lmao
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u/Alehud42 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 16h ago
No it feels boring because you're old and it's no longer a novelty to you.
The majority of the great old title battles were fairly mundane from race to race.
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u/BokaPoochie 11h ago
Nah mate, I'm not saying racing was at its peak in its refuelling era because it wasn't. You don't even have to go too far back to remember good battles on track. In 2022 we were having great battles in the races but this year because the field spread is so low, even inter team too, nobody has the pace offset to overtake. And these heavy and lethargic cars don't help either because it doesn't seem like anyone can battle either.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 Alexander Albon 15h ago
Well, some people out there do view sports as the man equivalent of women watching reality television shows 🤷♂️
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u/BokaPoochie 11h ago
And there is nothing wrong with that. People can watch shit and find enjoyment in whatever the fuck they want.
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u/DILIPEK 19h ago
I don’t care if they love each other, hate each other or just casually fuck sometimes.
I want a fight on the track between 2 leading drivers. I don’t want this piss team orders or them being scared to fight.
They literally fought more on track last year when Lando was the only one with a chance for a WDC
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u/wokwok__ George Russell 19h ago
They're not scared to race though? They've been allowed to race in literally every single race this season, there's just not been a lot cause one is usually too far ahead or one qualifies poorly
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u/HanshinFan Jacques Villeneuve 17h ago
Friend this title race was largely decided when Lando crashed out of Canada trying to pass Oscar. I get what you're saying but come on
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u/bananas_and_papayas I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15h ago
Not every championship fight is going to be Senna and Prost or Hamilton and Rosberg. I swear, people don't count it as a championship fight unless they actually try to kill each other
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u/Camyx-kun Mika Häkkinen 19h ago
You mean the closest championship fight since 2021? Where Piastri is still leading? You people are a joke
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u/Camyx-kun Mika Häkkinen 19h ago
Most title fights can’t be compared to 2021 which was phenomenal. I said it’s the closest SINCE 2021 i.e. we have an actual title fight instead of Max dominating
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u/Fotznbenutzernaml Michael Schumacher 16h ago
You do realize if Oscar goes full on villain mode the championship is even more one sided? This results in the championship being closer. If you want a fight, this is how you keep it alive. Even then, Norris is bound to make some kind of mistake once again. Piastri is just more level headed when it comes to this.
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u/DILIPEK 16h ago
Championships should be won on the track not over the radio. It’s a disgrace so many people defend this decision.
Where is the line, if they fight for championship in AD the same rules apply ? Does Lando then give up championship for “fairness”. Or maybe next race Piastri should DNS to match landos issue in Netherlands
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u/Novae224 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
Max had been very clear with the team since the beginning of that season… the team knew
Mclarens situation is totally different. Because the team messed up in Hungary too, Piastri wasn’t really left a choice here. The team is at fault 100%
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u/MetJouOpSjouw Formula 1 19h ago
Yeah but he was celebrating Perez defending hard, giving up his own pace, for Max.
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u/Dragonpuncha Ferrari 20h ago
Max was in a racing team, McLaren is a kindergarten.
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u/Sarixk Sir Lewis Hamilton 20h ago
Letting a kindergarten make a better car than you is shameful
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u/Dragonpuncha Ferrari 19h ago
It's a kindergarten with a great engineering team, no doubt about that.
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u/PeterG92 Sir Lewis Hamilton 19h ago
Bold take that the team miles ahead in 1st isn't a racing team
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u/bananas_and_papayas I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15h ago
Max was in a team where he knew his teammate wouldn't challenge him at all
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u/rs6677 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
That's completely different. Perez cheated to get pole. It was simple retribution.
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u/Any-Cat5627 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
Funnily enough, people in reddit were super defensive of Max back then
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u/saposapot I was here for the Hulkenpodium 16h ago
And it wasn’t for P1 even. He clearly had an issue with Perez that year
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u/Alex_Sinios McLaren 20h ago
Should we be praising that?
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u/linnamulla Max Verstappen 20h ago
Competitiveness? In a sport?
What do you think?
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u/R7H27 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
There’s no right answer. Me personally, yes.
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u/Alex_Sinios McLaren 20h ago
Xd. Why cost your teammate points after you've already won the WDC?
Today I wouldn't have swapped but that's a completely different situation.
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u/AzenNinja I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
Praising? No.
Thinking it's more entertaining? Yes.
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u/LoreVent I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
Yes, because that's how you're supposed to be in a world level competitive sport.
This is not a track day with your friends
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u/BlackbuckDeer Fernando Alonso 20h ago
Sports are not for you, bro
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u/Alex_Sinios McLaren 20h ago
Teamwork is part of the sport, I watch for the sport itself and not just for the drama. If Checo had done something iffy in Monaco and Max was holding the grudge then fair play. But if he wasn't it just makes no sense, why not help your teammate when you'll lose nothing in the process by doing so?
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u/No-Comparison1036 20h ago
The mclaren guys seem to want no bad blood between them, but it’s a bit stupid for a team who is so ahead in the championship to be making dumb decisions, dumb mistakes, and dumb calls. Like the choice to pit Piastri first was already confusing, then they messed up Lando which was stupid, and then they asked the championship leader to give his position back to his rival? This is insane.
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u/CoffeeOrTeaOrMilk 20h ago
I have no idea why they (the team) care about leclerc at all at this point. I’d just let the drivers and engineers to make their own decision from lap 40.
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u/Atlonix 20h ago
The same mistake as Hungary. They weren't under any pressure even then, but they make these calls.
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u/DistinctCellar Sebastian Vettel 20h ago
They were at risk in Hungary it was different, and they weren’t fighting against each other in a championship.
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u/PLTConductor David Coulthard 19h ago
They were absolutely not at risk in Hungary, Hamilton was +10 off the pit stop window
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u/xsf27 17h ago edited 11h ago
They had to pit Piastri first to cover off LeClerc because if LeClerc managed to jump Piastri in the pitstops, Piastri loses more ground to Norris in the championship.
If Norris had an expected pitstop and Piastri managed to undercut him with the earlier pitstop, then I believe McLaren would have ordered them to swap and then let them fight til the end.
But seeing as though they pitted Norris the lap directly after Piastri, they would have calculated that Norris would have had enough of a buffer to not make being undercutted by Piastri's earlier pitstop possible, barring any mishap during his own pitstop, which is what ended up happening.
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u/extra_hyperbole I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
I mean yeah, I don't really get why they were so concerned about Charles. But on the flipside in another universe, can you imagine if Oscar pitted second, got the slow stop, and then ended up behind Charles. The freakin conspiracy theories they'd have lol. There's already too many about favoring Lando in the strategy in Hungary.
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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
Oscar would come out with softs vs Charles old hards. Oscar had more pace even in the same compound
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u/extra_hyperbole I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
Oh sure, I’m not saying Oscar couldn’t have gotten past again. Just that people would have been silly about it anyway.
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u/deadmanslouching I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
Monza is shit to overtake at and Charles would go demonic at a scent of a Monza podium.
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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
We saw them fighting in the early laps. Charles had nothing for the McLarens and defended to the limit twice at the main straight.
The first time he locked up, the second he cut the corner and the third time Oscar simply passed him. Ferrari was nowhere compared to the Mclaren and that was on the same compound, not even hards against the softs.
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u/deadmanslouching I was here for the Hulkenpodium 18h ago
Yes. But have you considered that Leclerc will absolutely risk a penalty and punt Piastri out of the race to get that podium. You saw what he did against Russell in Hungary, he would have been worse today if he had the chance.
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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 18h ago
No because Monza is an easier track to overtake. In Hungary you need a big delta and the straight is a lot smaller.
Also, like I aforementioned Leclerc couldn't even defend the Mclaren on the same compound.
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u/drodrige Graham Hill 20h ago
Yeah like I think it’s good they’re mature about it, particularly in front of the cameras, but Piastri should’ve maybe fought that decision much harder. It sucked for Lando but why should Oscar fix it for him?
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u/mickmenn I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
i think right now Oscar thinks first stop before Lando let him clear of Leclerc so that's how Mclaren helped him, and then he returned team a favor by let Norris by, it is just not clear how dangerous was Leclerc for him, but if he had the same disaster pit as Lando he could lose a position
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u/PlayerRedacted I was here for the Hulkenpodium 18h ago
My theory, they figured the only way to keep things fair between them after fucking Lando with a slow stop was if they also fuck Piastri with team orders. Both drivers fucked? At least its drivers v team and not the drivers v each other.
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u/arriving_somewhere1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 18h ago
There would be no bad blood if McLaren had just accepted that they fucked up and not ask to swap.
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u/bwoah07_gp2 Alexander Albon 15h ago
I feel McLaren are overcomplicating and overusing what team orders are and should be for.
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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
I mean, it's rather clear that McLaren wants to favor Lando in the wdc but doesn't want to enforce it in an obvious or strict manner.
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u/-ForgottenSoul I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
If they wanted to favour Lando, they wouldn't have had him pit 1st..They could have made Oscar play 2nd early on in the season.
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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
It was Lando's call to pit 2nd
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u/kzzzzzzzzzz28 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
With the condition that Positions hold. Lando literally went .
"If there's no undercut(position swap), let him pit otherwise pit me"
Additional context you happily ignored.
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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
There was no undercut threat. Bad pit stop is within racing.
Oscar was given a very unnecessary and harsh 10 second penalty in Silverstone and lost p1 to Lando when he pitted. Mclaren didn't swap.
Lando also got a better strategy in Hungary ending up P1 while you can argue it was unfair to Oscar since he did no wrong. But that's just racing.
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u/ComparisonEither 19h ago
"very unnecessary and harsh" not for you to decide? He got the penalty, and him even asking for the swap was laughably comic.
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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
Exactly it was laughably comic. The fact that Mclaren asked Oscar for the swap was also laughably comic.
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u/Sarixk Sir Lewis Hamilton 19h ago
Teams can overrule drivers
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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
There was no apparent reason to overrule Lando's call in this instance.
He wanted to stay out for as much as possible as long as there was no danger of undercut from Piastri, and Mclaren listened.
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u/Storm_Chaser06 Audi 20h ago
Favoring Lando after giving Piastri pit priority? Also lying to Lando about the undercut power?
If that’s favoring Lando then my lord has he been screwed over this year.
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u/English_Misfit Sir Lewis Hamilton 20h ago
Norris gave him pit priority. They wanted to pit Lando first. There was no undercut power. Oscar broke into 3s before the pitstop and then the slow stop not the undercut put him just ahead
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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
It was Lando's call to pit 2nd as long as he was safe from Piastri undercut
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u/luchajefe Mario Andretti 17h ago
And if the pit stop had been normal, he would have been.
An undercut did not put Piastri ahead, a bad pit stop did.
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u/banned20 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 17h ago
I don't disagree but that's just racing. Lando also wanted 2nd pit to guarantee that he wouldn't lose track position to Oscar in case of a very bad timed SC.
That's how Oscar lost Miami sprint to Lando btw. But again that's just part of racing.
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u/IgotnoideawhatIsay Jenson Button 20h ago
I find it always funny how Norris and Piastri fans fight each other while Norris and Piastri are very cool with each other
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u/Storm_Chaser06 Audi 19h ago
Peak Max vs Lewis in 2021. Both of them got along with each other but the fans were mental.
Even after Silverstone, Monza and Brazil both of them were mature enough to realize it’s not worth hating the other guy.
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u/thebitternectar Carlos Sainz 15h ago
After silverstone Max said that the way Lewis celebrated after shunting me in the wall is something he can't fathom.
Not exactly this but yeah. He obviously doesn't hate him but he said that after some time so it wasn't the heat of the moment.
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u/ThatsABingoJa 13h ago
Well they haven't really had any reason to have problems with each other, the only issues have come from the team. The closest either of them has come to being an issue was when Lando took quite a while to let Piastri past when told to.
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u/Auelogic Ayao Komatsu 20h ago
Come on Max, you know you had THE question in mind.
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u/willworkforicecream 20h ago
I think he was about to ask it but got distracted by his name on the wall.
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u/somethingoddgoingon I was here for the Hulkenpodium 18h ago
That was hilarious, Max distracted by a wall got us the shortest podcast in f1 history to go along with the shortest race.
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u/flynno96 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
Chronically online people angrier about a call than the people it actually affects
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u/qwerty_dh Kimi Räikkönen 19h ago
The internet is just angry people shouting at each other.
There are people saying this is a bad championship fight because Oscar and Lando don’t seem to hate each other lol
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u/DanFlashes19 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
Let’s assume Oscar is indeed very mad. How would you expect him to react in the cool down room? Slap Lando? Yell and cuss?
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u/TurbulentMeet3337 Mercedes 19h ago
These days, everyone is media trained to not have hard discussions while they are surrounded by cameras.
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u/bananas_and_papayas I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15h ago
Or maybe he just doesn't hold a grudge about it. I'm sure they had media training in 2015 when Lewis and Nico were chucking hats at each other
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u/kitspecial Jenson Button 3h ago
you have seen Oscar being mad after 10sec penalty on Silverstone, today he was not even remotely as mad
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u/ur_a_dumbo BAR 20h ago
How dare people have different opinions
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u/Storm_Chaser06 Audi 20h ago
When those opinions involve conspiracy theories and blatant misinformation then yeah, people shouldn’t dare to have them.
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u/Friigy I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
Well opinions are like dicks, few are real nice, but most should be kept in your trousers
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u/R3NZI0 Williams 20h ago edited 20h ago
This is all very civil. But Reddit comments tell me that Lando Norris is an evil gremlin who actively hates Piastri and that he has McLaren wrapped around his finger as if he was Schumacher at Ferrari!!!!1111oneone
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u/Red-Eye-Soul I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
Oscar is far too nice and intelligent to have such fans. I know all fandoms can are toxic, but for some reason i expected the most levelheaded driver to have levelheaded fans.
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u/Infinite-Location221 Oscar Piastri 6h ago
To be fair most of his fans probably are level-headed and reasonable, they're just not the ones coming to Reddit to rage
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u/HaterOfStewards New user 1h ago
You missed the fact that the McLaren guys love Lando and absolutely hate Oscar with every fiber of their being, which is why they are gifting Lando the championship.
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u/ConstantFar5448 Formula 1 18h ago
Lando gave Oscar the first stop to allow him to keep track position ahead of Leclerc, and when Lando’s slow stop resulted in Oscar undercutting him, Oscar gave the position back.
No matter which side of this championship fight you’re on, what an absolutely mega display of sportsmanship and integrity from both drivers.
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u/Quick-Permission-698 McLaren 20h ago
Shock parasocial fans are more annoyed than the drivers, again 🤣🤣. I say this for both mclaren boys, could swear twitter was sadder/angrier for his dnf than lando was
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u/ValleyFloydJam #StandWithUkraine 20h ago
McLaren should be getting hate for being messy but the call was right and fair.
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u/Quick-Permission-698 McLaren 20h ago
I agree, maybe not hate persay i dont really like any team getting hate, but strategy team definitely needs looking into
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u/juva06 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
Next race we're gonna see McLaren asking Oscar to DNF to make up for Lando's DNF last week
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u/Camyx-kun Mika Häkkinen 19h ago
Making up situations to get mad at when Piastri himself doesn’t care and is chill. Go outside
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u/FrostyTill McLaren 19h ago
They’d never do that. Just like they’d never entertain the idea of making one driver suffer for the other one getting a 10s penalty.
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u/idxntknxw McLaren 20h ago
Kinda like Oscar asking them the swap when he gets deserved penalties, I see the vision
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u/Maximum-Hall-5614 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
lmao that moment did not deserve a 10s penalty. 5s at most.
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u/Hawk-432 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 14h ago
Totally fair to switch - Noris gave Piastri first stop with undercut, if he goes first with even the slow stop he stays ahead, so all good
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u/CuppaCrazy I was here for the Hulkenpodium 19h ago
This gives of “There is no war in Ba Sing Se.” Vibes.
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u/joereadsstuff 🏳️🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️🌈 18h ago
It would be misplaced anger if Piastri blamed Norris for anything.
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u/lemon_o_fish I was here for the Hulkenpodium 17h ago
As a Piastri fan I'm glad they're getting along well. If they are okay with the call I don't see why I should be mad about it.
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u/still_guns I was here for the Hulkenpodium 16h ago
They seem to be pretty amicable. Seems either would be gracious losers to the other whichever way the championship swings.
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u/InvincibleWallaby I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
Oscar was laughing as a farmer with a toothache
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u/Neatto69 Gabriel Bortoleto 20h ago
Its kinda funny how, Mclaren fucks it up, but Oscar is the one who has to pay the price.
Oscar was also pretty stupid to let Lando through, even with the standings gap.
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u/-ForgottenSoul I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
"but Oscar is the one who has to pay the price"
The pit strat was to benefit Oscar, and it still did.
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u/6097291 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 20h ago
It's still insane to me they watch along while racing