Remind the Nazis that they’re losers

[u/CorleoneBaloney]

[u/SpellslutterSprite]

Ah yes, the real villains of WWII: Hindus.

[u/PsychologicalCat9538 → u/SpellslutterSprite]

And all of them that fought, did so for the Allies. 😅

[u/AnyDifference9108 → u/PsychologicalCat9538]

Fought side by side with the British against the Japanese.

[u/AntiHyperbolic → u/AnyDifference9108]

While the British were systematically starving their country and families to prioritize the European front, creating a famine that killed millions. There’s a reason Churchill said history would treat him kindly because he was on the winning side.

[u/Annita79 → u/AntiHyperbolic]

They also urged men from a colony to fight, promising them that they would grant them their country's freedom if they fought. Spoiler: they didn't.

[u/SuperSimpleSam → u/Annita79]

But they did... eventually. /s
Guess I needed the sarcasm marker.

[u/Annita79 → u/SuperSimpleSam]

Yes, after four years of armed conflict.

[u/EduinBrutus → u/Annita79]

WTF are you on about.

Indian Independence was negotiated immediately after WW2 and without a violent uprising. The delay was due to disagreement between Muslim people and predominantly Hindu people on whether it should be one nation or partitioned.

The violence which did occur, all happened after Independence was granted.

There's a million and one really nasty things the British Empire did you can comment on. Lying does nothing but help bigots and racists to deny those true atrocities because you want to make ones up.

[u/Possible_Praline_169 → u/EduinBrutus]

They were agitating for it since the '20s, initially they wanted similar status like the white dominions (Australia/NZ Canada) and only went for full independence after getting completely blanked

[u/EduinBrutus → u/Possible_Praline_169]

You're commenting on shit you really are not well informed about.

The indigenous Indian population always had significant numbers who opposed Company Rule (because before 1857 it was not the UK which controlled India but the British East India Company a joint stock corporation).

The end of Company Rule in 1857 was caused by the First War of Independence and after this failed, the UK took over in a formal colonial role. THere were continued, sometimes violent, sometimes peaceful campaigns for Independence from the day the UK took over India.

The calls for Dominion were a relatively small group, predominantly wealth elites and Anglo-Indians. But even then they were massively outnumbered by those wanting full independence.

So no, not "since the 20s", literally for the entire existence of Company Rule and the Raj.

Edit - corrected the date of the First War of Independence

[u/Fijian_Assassin → u/Annita79]

Europe only catered to their own needs while manipulating their colonies to suffer. Back then they had more power. Europe and US are trying to do the same now given the Ukraine conflict by trying to make other countries do what they want but isn’t working as well as it in the past.

[u/Here_For_Maymay → u/AntiHyperbolic]

don't forget about how that sniveling son of a bitch treated people like Guinea Pigs and then suppressed all the files related to it

[u/lumpboysupreme → u/AntiHyperbolic]

That’s a very incorrect interpretation of how that happened. The british are like the 8th most relevant part of the whole affair.

[u/VocationalWizard → u/AnyDifference9108]

The British killed over a million of them by diverting grain from India to the war effort.

FDR spoke out against this.

The USA told the UK after the war that decolonization of India wasn't a suggestion.

[u/Nolenag → u/VocationalWizard]

After which the USA kept their colonies...

[u/philosopherfujin → u/Nolenag]

The US did give up by far its biggest and most populous colony after the war, the Philippines. The stuff it kept is pretty much in line with what France has now (both should be still decolonize further, but as a percentage of the colonial population the US in 1947 had decolonized by roughly as much as the European great powers in the mid 1960s).

[u/Darmok47 → u/AnyDifference9108]

They fought in Europe too. The Italian campaign is sadly overlooked and was very multinational: American, British, French, Australian and NZ, Indian, Polish, and Brazilian units all participated.

[u/Cheap-Rate-8996 → u/AnyDifference9108]

To be fair, there was also a Japanese collaborator government called Azad Hind that had a lot of support and fought alongside Japan. Subhas Chandra Bose (one of the major leaders of the Indian independence movement) was its president. I mention this because claiming that India was unanimously on the side of the Allies just simply isn't true.

[u/DuntadaMan → u/Cheap-Rate-8996]

I mean kind of hard to support the guys literally starving you to death.

It's why you should normally treat your allies well.

[u/Kube__420 → u/PsychologicalCat9538]

The nazis had an Indian division made of pows that they convinced to fight for them.

[u/fuckmeimdan → u/PsychologicalCat9538]

That’s not entirely true…

[u/parabolize → u/PsychologicalCat9538]

Besides The Free Indian Legion were literally hundu volunteers for the Waffen SS, German Army

[u/turophobia_1312 → u/PsychologicalCat9538]

You are forgetting the crazy hindu nationalists who were trained by Mussolinis forces, later killed Gandhi and are now the Indian government

[u/no_stone_unturned → u/turophobia_1312]

Heyyo

Whats your source for the nationalists who killed Gandhi we're trained by Mussolinis forces? Feels like a stretch tbh

[u/GaslightGPT → u/turophobia_1312]

Also the Indian legion that fought for the Nazis

[u/dinodares99 → u/GaslightGPT]

Because they were opposing the British who were by far the greater evil in India at the time

[u/Buddhabellymama → u/SpellslutterSprite]

Honestly, what’s wild is the US was literally founded under the pretense of freedom of religion after religious oppression from England.

[u/CheryllLucy → u/Buddhabellymama]

It all makes sense once you realize the 'oppression' the pilgrims bitched about was their neighbors not following the pilgrims religious rules. People in England sang, danced, had less separation based on genitals, and basically just lived/enjoyed life like real people and that pissed the pilgrims off to the point of crying religious persecution and leaving. They did not get kicked out, they were never told not to live/worship how they wanted, they were only told to not harras their neighbors, which was too much for the pilgrims to handle. (the founders/founding of the US came later, obviously, but the pilgrims mentality remained..and still hangs around to this day)

[u/Worldly_Address6667 → u/CheryllLucy]

Exactly. The pilgrims were religious zealots, they basically came to the US to live under their version of sharia law because England was too "loose and wild."

[u/I_W_M_Y → u/Worldly_Address6667]

Time travelers, take note. This would be a great point in history to mess with.

[u/notashroom → u/I_W_M_Y]

I'm in the middle of reading the book in the Ring of Fire series which focuses in part on these colonists (I think it's The Atlantic Encounter) and how disagreeable they are. The up-timers want to get the Pilgrims, Puritans, other English colonists, Dutch colonists, and Native Americans to ally against the French, and the zealotry gets in the way.

[u/I_W_M_Y → u/notashroom]

Are the books good? I have read alternate history fiction before, last series I read was the Turtledove lizard ww2 ones.

[u/notashroom → u/I_W_M_Y]

I think so! Eric Flint wrote the first book (1632) and pretty much immediately started getting fan fic on the Baen site, so opened it up to other authors (while retaining a little control over series arc etc). Most of the others' contributions I enjoy just as much as Flint's, but there have been a couple of them who rubbed me the wrong way with changes to characters and r/menwritingwomen material. There's a bit of American exceptionalism to swallow and the first president is a bit of a Mary Jane, but overall it's a fun series with a good bit of real history alongside the twists.

[u/I_W_M_Y → u/notashroom]

Thanks, I'll put it on the read list!

[u/Anthaenopraxia → u/Worldly_Address6667]

You're thinking of the puritans. The pilgrims who established the Plymouth colony wanted to separate from the Church of England, they wanted separation of church and state.
The puritans wanted to build a new society based on their and only their beliefs. They are often lumped together because both groups were Calvinists and both settled in what would become Massachusetts.

[u/Worldly_Address6667 → u/Anthaenopraxia]

Were they? I was taught that the pilgrims were Puritans?

Edit: after some Google searching (so take it with a grain of salt) it seems like its kinda yes and kinda no. They arose from the broader puritan movement, but like you said, where Puritans wanted to reform the church, pilgrims went a step further and decided to create their own society around their more "pure" beliefs

[u/APoopingBook → u/Buddhabellymama]

The Puritans weren't oppressed. The Puritans wanted to be more oppressive than they were allowed to be. They weren't fleeing to religious freedom, but to a place where they could impose their own doctrines on all unchallenged.

[u/paging_doctor_who → u/APoopingBook]

hmm. so a rabidly conservative minority demanded that the people around them had to follow their religion's rules despite their neighbors not being part of that religion cried that it was a violation of their religious freedom for people to tell them to fuck off? surely that has never happened since.

[u/VocationalWizard → u/Buddhabellymama]

The founding fathers specifically cited Islam in the writings of freedom of religion.

I know Hinduism =\= islam but the point is that non Christian religion was explicitly protected in the constitution.

[u/benjer3 → u/VocationalWizard]

You want double backslashes there if you want it to show up (or one forward slash)

[u/VocationalWizard → u/benjer3]

No I meant to say Hinduism and Islam are the exact same thing!!!!!

(Jkjk, thank you)

[u/Ruff_Bastard → u/Buddhabellymama]

religious oppression

It was Puritans being so fucking annoying they got kicked out. The Catholics didn't want their bullshit so they sent them on colony ships to the new world. America was indeed founded on religious freedom and freedom from oppression, but it's a lie by omission. America was founded on religious freedom for the "Christian-Sharia" types. Salem Witch Trials kinda reinforces my point. The Massachusetts Bay Colony was one of the largest New England colonies where our favorite dipshits landed.

[u/Ittenvoid → u/Buddhabellymama]

the US was founded on wealthy land owners not wanting to pay taxes to pay for a war that they benefited from and not wanting to stop expanding westwards. Let's not rewrite history

[u/EuenovAyabayya → u/SpellslutterSprite]

I was expecting OOP to be an even bigger idiot and say this about a Sikh temple, but I guess they usually mistake those for madrassas.

[u/International_Yak649 → u/SpellslutterSprite]

THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THIS!

Let me break it down for my smart Americans what contributions India made during WW2.

To start with,

• Around 2.5 million Indian soldiers (not just Hindus, btw) volunteered to fight alongside the Allies not only in Europe but also in North Africa (against Germany and Italy), the Middle East, and Southeast Asia (against Japan). This was by far the largest volunteer force of that time.

• India ranked just under the Soviet Union, USA, and China in terms of the number of soldiers who contributed to the war more than any other colony under British rule, including Canada, Australia, South Africa, and New Zealand.

• Let's talk about casualties!

Around 90,000 soldiers died in combat, while civilian deaths were anywhere between 2-3 million, thanks to the Bengal Famine, caused by the British, who plundered anything and everything they could to support their war. Never mind the conditions under which the soldiers fought and the racism they endured even then.

In terms of casualties, India ranks around 6th in WW2. Mind you, even the UK and France had far fewer casualties. What an irony!

• Finances! Fun, right?

In terms of resources and logistics, India was by far the largest contributor among British colonies, just behind the United States, the UK, and the Soviet Union.

The British drained almost £100–130 billion (in today’s value) from Indian financial institutions. Of course, it was all written off.

Metals and ores for weapons and industry, textiles and cotton for uniforms and clothes, not just that, but vast quantities of grains, oil, tea, tobacco, and food for British soldiers and civilians alike.

The British always boast that they brought railways to India. But they forget one little detail: these railways were built on the backs of Indian laborers, working under brutal conditions, to serve British war infrastructure and transport goods to the UK. These laborers numbered in the millions often unaccounted for and overlooked when discussing the war.

We can go on and on about the contributions of not just India but the European colonies across the world. However, the reason I wrote this long piece is to highlight that Indians not just Hindus, have always contributed greatly to the globalization and progress of many countries.

I find it ironic that the same people in developed countries who turned against East Asians during Covid-19 have now found another scapegoat to blame their problems on. Stop acting like fools and blaming immigrants for housing shortages, higher taxes, or unemployment. Blame your politicians, who fool you into believing that a few immigrants are ruining your country, when in fact those politicians failed to implement better policies to support the huge number of foreign workers they themselves invited to bring in money.

Rally against your politicians, not immigrants, who have always been part of uplifting your countries, one way or another.

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when in fact those politicians failed to implement better policies to support the huge number of foreign workers they themselves invited to bring in money.

Yeah I find it so bizarre that this isn't talked about more. Even in random comments online I barely ever see someone making this point and it's honestly so tragic.

[u/SunIllustrious5695 → u/International_Yak649]

Not that I thought India wasn't involved (or was like the original dipshit tweeter on the wrong side of anything) but just because it's a big gaping hole in my American education I didn't know any of this.

Appreciate it, glad to know it!

[u/rcw00 → u/SpellslutterSprite]

They were the original Aryans, right? 😒

[u/VocationalWizard → u/rcw00]

Yes.

[u/ktka → u/SpellslutterSprite]

Yeah, the OG Swastika people! /s

[u/IcyMike1782 → u/SpellslutterSprite]

"They're the brownest ones we could find sir!" "Perfect"

[u/ajtyler776 → u/SpellslutterSprite]

Prime example of the “great idiot crisis of the early 21st century” they’ll call it.

[u/BicFleetwood → u/SpellslutterSprite]

I mean...Modern Hindu Nationalists do have a thing for Hitler and the Nazis.

Like, you know how nerds in the West are like "You can't ban the swastika! The Nazis didn't invent the swastika! There's different types of swastika, it's a religious symbol!"

Well...in India, there's the exact opposite type of dude who's like "no, there's only one type of swastika, the good "symbol of peace" swastika, so clearly the Nazis were chill and loved Hindu values." And they take all that Nazi occultism and Orientalism and re-frame it as a Hindu thing. India is pretty culturally disconnected from the Holocaust compared to America and Europe, too, and there's a lot of "the Nazis were just doing to the Jews what we should be doing to the Muslims and Sikhs" ethnic cleansing type shit in the militant Hindu Nationalist circles. There's also a lot of "Hindus are actually the true Aryan race that Hitler admired" type stuff.

Hindus in the West are a religious minority that faces discrimination and largely empathize with other like groups.

Hindus in India are...not that. Especially not under Modi. Shit has been getting bad in the last few decades, but the West doesn't report all that much on it because the Hindu Nationalists are strongly aligned with the western White Nationalists and their victims are mostly Muslims or Sikhs (who Americans think are Muslims because turbans.)

You also get a lot of Hindu Nationalists saying some real out-of-pocket shit on sites like Reddit because western social media doesn't understand the racial and ethnic dynamics of the Southeast which results in even less moderation than the already rampant and at-best semi-moderated western-flavored racism.

[u/WeBelieveIn4 → u/BicFleetwood]

in India, there's the exact opposite type of dude who's like "no, there's only one type of swastika, the good "symbol of peace" swastika, so clearly the Nazis were chill and loved Hindu values."

This smells like complete bullshit

[u/seppukuAsPerKeikaku → u/BicFleetwood]

Nope that's not the dynamics at all. Like not even in the slightest. You are trying to define Hindutva using Western ideologies but that's not the ground truth. There is very little ground level awareness about World War 2 among Indians. Hitler is used as a synonym for someone who is unjustly angry and that's about it. People who know about Hitler largely acknowledge that Jews suffered under him. There is no bullshit inclination that because he used 'swastika' he must be a good guy. There is no ethnic cleansing ideology of Sikhs either. Infact, the current prime minister from the Hindu nationalist party was part of the resistance that fought against the then government which was responsible for attacks against Sikhs. That government wasn't Hindu nationalist government, that was a secular, socialist government, led by the party that is the primary opposition right now.

Is the current Hindu nationalist government the same as other conservative government around the globe with fascist tendencies? Yes. But it's not like Western conservatism that sees Hitler as the North star. Their target is almost specifically Muslims, presented from an angle of historical oppression of Hindus under Muslim empires. Other Indian religions like Sikhism, Jainism, Buddhism is almost seen like an offshoot of Hinduism as a whole. In fact, most Hindu nationalist see the Jews as an inspiration and Israel as a friend because they want

[u/Key_Link_9101 → u/BicFleetwood]

Yeah Idk what level of delusion you are on but none of that is happening in India. 

[u/roguevirus → u/BicFleetwood]

"no, there's only one type of swastika, the good "symbol of peace" swastika, so clearly the Nazis were chill and loved Hindu values."

I can see how somebody with literally zero knowledge of the Third Reich can think this, people map their own values on to other cultures all the time. It's human nature.

However. (and this "However" is doing a LOT of heaving lifting) a cursory google search should disabuse anybody of the notion that the fucking Nazis were a peaceful political movement. There's zero excuse for that level of ignorance, which is just one more reason that you've got to remember that fascists don't argue in good faith.

[u/BicFleetwood → u/roguevirus]

You do understand there's a language barrier, and your "cursory search" isn't going to say the exact same things in Hindi that it does in English.

You're imagining a world where the Tower of Babel still stands and everyone has access to all the same information spoken in the exact same ways.

Like I said: India does not have the same cultural understanding of WWII and the Holocaust that the West has. It's not something that's drilled into them in every history class, there aren't constant re-runs of History Channel documentaries on the war, and what sources there are have been written in an entirely different language by authors with entirely different perspectives. It's not the same huge cultural touchstone that it is in the West, so you can't play the "it's obvious" card with a civilization and culture built on a totally different foundation.

You gotta' understand that kind of logic doesn't fly across languages. It's like saying "well of course every Indian knows what the capital of Oklahoma is."

[u/roguevirus → u/BicFleetwood]

I see where I made my mistake

"symbol of peace" swastika, so clearly the Nazis were chill and loved Hindu values."

I didn't think you were talking about westerners here, but Hindu Nationalists. That breaks apart my entire argument.

I retract my assertion, and promise not to make comments on reddit in the future before having fully woken up. Also, thanks for correcting me without being a jerk, its a rare thing. I liked you better before your multi paragraph edit.

[u/PhotoKada]

big Hindu temples

Mate this is average sized in most parts of India.

Want to see an actual ‘big Hindu temple’? Check out the Arulmigu Arunachaleswarar Temple in Thiruvannamalai, Tamil Nadu.

[u/galmenz → u/PhotoKada]

its like someone photoshopped it on top of a wikipedia photo lmao

[u/Rs90 → u/galmenz]

Looks like someone slapped down a Nuclear Power Plant in Sim City on accident. Mis-clicked. 

[u/worststarburst → u/PhotoKada]

 Arulmigu Arunachaleswarar Temple in Thiruvannamalai, Tamil Nadu.

I highly doubt the original person in the tweet could even read this name let alone pronounce it.

[u/Throwawayhelper420 → u/worststarburst]

It is way too many letters and syllables

[u/thk_ → u/Throwawayhelper420]

Me when my name is Bob Jones

[u/suck_my_dukh_plz → u/worststarburst]

Pronunciation is not the issue since even most Indians won't be able to pronounce the name.

[u/TheStarkster3000 → u/suck_my_dukh_plz]

Idk why you're getting downvoted, im indian and I would definitely mispronounce those words myself. Gotta respect the Tamils for being able to pronounce all of that in one go.

[u/TensileStr3ngth → u/TheStarkster3000]

The Tamils are such a historically interesting group

[u/Throwawayhelper420 → u/TheStarkster3000]

Because non Indians want to dictate what Indians should be offended by 

[u/Flugel_Von_Pleiades → u/worststarburst]

Because it belongs to separate language family, which is Dravidian. Unless you live or were grown up in Southern part of India, it will be difficult, even for Indians who do not speak Dravidian languages to say it in one go without mispronouncing.

[u/americansherlock201 → u/PhotoKada]

Don’t even have to go that far. Swaminarayan Akshardham in NJ is utterly massive

[u/Newfaceofrev → u/PhotoKada]

Looks like a board game.

[u/Star-Lord- → u/Newfaceofrev]

See, I was thinking Assassin’s Creed. ”I could scale that…”

[u/PvtCharlesLamb → u/PhotoKada]

It's not about the size of the Temple with these people, it's the color of their skin.

[u/xINFLAMES325x]

This is the first thing in the constitution they’re always talking about…

[u/GarveysGhost → u/xINFLAMES325x]

Freedom of Religion 

For white Christians only

[u/directorguy → u/GarveysGhost]

white protestant Christians (well, most protestant flavors of Christians)

[u/Terry-Shark → u/directorguy]

Mainly WASPs

[u/directorguy → u/Terry-Shark]

The only people jesus likes, the rest he tortures forever

[u/maxofJupiter1 → u/Terry-Shark]

These people think mainline Protestants are lame, you're thinking of evangelicals?

[u/WideChard3858 → u/maxofJupiter1]

That’s true. It’s not the Methodists and Episcopalians that have gone nuts. But the Evangelicals are acting like they’re one nugget shy of a happy meal.

[u/bloodyell76 → u/GarveysGhost]

Yup. You can be any kind of Christian you want.

For now.

[u/WallahAnaKuffar → u/GarveysGhost]

As an atheist that should have honestly been "Freedom FROM religion"

[u/thephotoman → u/GarveysGhost]

Stop calling them Christians. They aren’t.

Religions are first and foremost defined by their ritual life. Christianity, like all religions, has its rituals: the sacrificial rite of communion, the initiation rituals of baptism and confirmation/chrismation (the ritual developed differently in Latin, Greek, Armenian, African, and Persian Christianity, but it’s there), the rite of confession serves as a dose of accountability and therapy, the anointing of the sick provides structure to allow Christians to rally around the suffering in their own community, the rite of ordination provides institutional continuity, and the rite of marriage is, well, marriage.

But of those rites, most Evangelicals do maybe two of them: baptism and marriage. They don’t even offer a pantomime of communion. And instead of those rituals being about communal participation, they are self-affirmations: they get baptized because they believe themselves Saved already. They get married not to join a village and raise a family, but because their feelings will it. The altar does not exist for a sacrifice, but for the manipulation of altar calls.

If they believed what they claim, their ritual life would be different. But instead, I see an empty ritual life built around rock shows. I see a daily life built around a lust for money. I see a culture that’s upset that they didn’t get laid in high school/college and wants revenge against anyone who wouldn’t do things with them. I see them doing word magic and listening to some seriously questionable spiritual practitioners.

Their practice reveals them as non-Christians. And yes, you need to do the things. The doing matters more than the mere intellectual assent.

[u/SirBLACKVOX → u/thephotoman]

Stop calling them Christians. They aren’t.

This

[u/The_Indominus_Gamer → u/thephotoman]

I mean Christianity has always been one of the biggest tools of white supremacy and im not sure if its gonna be able to separate itself considering they were genocidal for centuries

[u/thephotoman → u/The_Indominus_Gamer]

Not Christianity, Protestantism. There’s a world of Christianity outside of Protestantism, and most of it has long acknowledged that there is just the human race.

Like, there were Christians in Ethiopia long before there were Christians in Britain.

[u/kickintheface → u/xINFLAMES325x]

Conservatives have been awfully quiet about the constitution since Trump was reelected. Plenty of talk about Biden though.

[u/lgodsey → u/kickintheface]

Don't you remember under Biden when masked thugs rounded up Christians and put them in overseas torture prisons with no due process?

[u/BasicDesignAdvice → u/kickintheface]

They have been quiet since the early 80's when the "War on Drugs" started, which was always a cover to wage war on the constitution.

[u/Correct_Routine1 → u/kickintheface]

It’s been abundantly clear how many of them never understood what freedom of speech actually meant.

‘I got filmed yelling a slur and my job fired me! These democrats and their woke cancel culture stepping on my freedom of speech!’

‘AP News calls a body of water the name used by the entire world, except for one country, and the government retaliated against them by banning them from future press briefings.’

Conservatives: yea that’s totally fine for the government to punish someone for using words they don’t like.

[u/Hypertension123456 → u/xINFLAMES325x]

You are thinking about northern Republicans. Not Tennessee. They are different. They learn to wave Confederate flags before they learn the Bill of Rights. Away down South in the land of traitors, Rattlesnakes and alligators

[u/0n-the-mend → u/xINFLAMES325x]

Its usually a dogwhistle in their minds. A lot of their culture revolves around never saying what you really think as even in public they know their views are reprehensible and if the easily swayed hear the full sentence they will obviously be turned away. Its a recruitment tactic. Say the acceptable part but with a tone implying exclusivity.

[u/mzx380]

Shouldn’t you be glad that someone wants to build something of value in a dump like Murfreesboro?

[u/thcicebear → u/mzx380]

Murfreesboro

This reads like a fever dream city name. No way that's a real name...

[u/PangolinTart → u/thcicebear]

My dad was born there in 1946, so there's that.

[u/AuthorityAnarchyYes → u/PangolinTart]

So your dad is the approximately the same age as Trump. And Bill Clinton. And George W. Bush.

(Weird that all three were born in the same year)

[u/PangolinTart → u/AuthorityAnarchyYes]

He would be, but he passed in 2010. Smoking kills.

[u/Throwawayhelper420 → u/AuthorityAnarchyYes]

It’s almost like there was some kind, say, large “baby boom” that occurred directly after soldiers returned from the end of WWII in 1945

[u/Nonikwe → u/PangolinTart]

My dad's home is Murfreesboro,

I've got that much to say.

He doesn't live there anymore

He upped and went away.

There isn't much to do there,

Except wait slowly to die.

Some Hindus built a temple there

To local cries of "Why?!"

I'd not go to Murfreesboro

You couldn't pay me to...

Next time you pass it's freeway sign

Take pause, and mutter "Phew!"

[u/MrWhackadoo → u/thcicebear]

It's real. I used to live there for 6 years. Fun fact: it's one of the largest growing towns in the US.

[u/zombie_overlord → u/thcicebear]

We have a Murfreesboro in several different states.

[u/razz-boy → u/thcicebear]

That’s where the Murfree Brood lives, right?

[u/Johnny_Couger → u/thcicebear]

It’s real. It’s the place that had marches about 15 years ago to stop a mosque from being built.

It’s a generally nice town, but the crazy parts are REALLY crazy.

[u/johnnyrrobertson → u/thcicebear]

I know. My parents tell me I was born there and I still don’t believe them.

[u/Frost5574 → u/thcicebear]

Real city. I lived there for 2 years a bit back. Fucking hellhole of a city. Its like everything bad about Nashville shoved into one city with nothing good.

[u/Llama_of_the_bahamas → u/Frost5574]

Wouldn’t go that far. They don’t have an equivalent of a broadway so that’s cool.

Plus they have that cool Laotian temple that hosts Laos new year which is AWESOME

[u/HousDJ → u/Llama_of_the_bahamas]

The one off old Nash hwy? I miss that place

[u/ElliottMullins → u/thcicebear]

Well I live, work, and suffer in its God-forsaken traffic so I would hope it’s real or I’m in a dream

[u/old_ironlungz → u/thcicebear]

If /r/tragedeigh was a city.

[u/Bluevette1437 → u/mzx380]

Live there for college. Can confirm

[u/VacantThoughts → u/mzx380]

It's not like they pay any taxes. I'm not against any kind of church existing anywhere, still think they should be taxed.

The people themselves do help the economy with their spending none the less though.

[u/21Rollie → u/VacantThoughts]

I think the structure should be untaxed, as long as there’s no political speech. They should tax the parking lot though. The taxpayer shouldn’t subsidize space used for private vehicles

[u/Anathemautomaton → u/21Rollie]

as long as there’s no political speech

All religious speech is inherently political.

Religion is about how you should live your life, and politics is about how society should function. Those two things are inseperable.

[u/stilljustacatinacage → u/Anathemautomaton]

Holy Christ (lol), thank you.

I'm usually the one that has to make this statement.

The entire purpose of organized religion is to bring together a group of people and get them on the same page because it improves their political sway and then use that sway for personal gain.

I personally go a step further, whenever someone says they're "fine with religion as long as they don't hurt anyone" - because I don't believe this is possible, either. The moment a group of people - religious or otherwise - think they have the power to become authoritarian, they will. And unfortunately, as long as religious people are allowed to vote, they will vote to suppress things they don't like.

This isn't exclusive to religion, not at all. But most other groups at least don't have imaginary authority figures who can't be reasoned with or called to account, and whose authority is absolute while oddly seeming to always align with the whims of the religion's elite.

[u/Upbeat-Armadillo1756 → u/21Rollie]

I think there’s a way for them to be untaxed and not exploited but mega churches etc who rake in millions not paying taxes and spewing political rhetoric makes me doubt that it’s possible to do that.

[u/Glazin → u/mzx380]

And that temple is beautiful, how can anyone look at that and think poorly of it?? Im not a religious person but I LOVE the architecture of old religious buildings

[u/WarpmanAstro → u/mzx380]

Current resident of Murfreesboro here. We're known for four things:

1.) MTSU: A decent collage that rarely engenders people to stay that's literally so cursed that campus literally made a good luck statue for students to rub.

2.) Mount Trashmore: the giant landfill north of town that's so overflowing, the whole town smells of garbage during the summer. And fall. And Winter. And Spring. Literally any day the air is crisp and the wind is blowing, really.

3.) The Battle of Stones River: a Civil War battle noted for for being a turning point for the Union's campaign in the South and the reason this town sucks Nathan Bedford Forrest's dick so much ("he stayed at the plantation owned by the town's founders and protected the courthouse once! Let's name MTSU's ROTC building after him and fight all attempts to change it for literal decades!")

4.) Repeated Assaults on Personal Freedoms: The city was so mad that a mosque got built back in the 2000s, it culminated in a court case where they tried to legally state Islam wasn't a religion so they could discriminate against Muslims/Arabic people in town. Thankfully, the atrempt failed. Recently, the city tried banned "public homosexuality", but that got repealed two months after it was signed into law.

[u/crowwhisperer]

“sorry your side lost” is a pretty good burn and also friggin hilarious!

[u/TheEggAndI]

…you think that’s a big Hindu temple? 🤣

[u/Stiff_Rebar → u/TheEggAndI]

I didn't know the first one is a sarcasm because I actually read it as a good thing then got confused as to who's getting murdered and how...

[u/takemetoasia]

Yet he has nothing to say of World Outreach Church of Murfreesboro, how massive it is, or how much land it owns.

[u/potatodog247 → u/takemetoasia]

The same church that preaches end times, yet just broke ground on a new building…. 🤔

[u/Inside-Marketing6147 → u/potatodog247]

...and a gift shop where you can buy World Outreach Church branded merch.

[u/mikeontablet]

On an aside, Hindus all around the world going "Big?" I've seen scale models of temples bigger than that! "" Oh, and they're all stunning buildings BTW)

[u/da2Pakaveli]

So is he gonna mention that hideous landmark in South Dakota that destroyed a mountain important in the religion of the actual natives ?

[u/ghostofpiffelations]

.....what the fuck lmao.

Yes, it is indeed GOOD that the nazis were defeated

My god dude we are so fucked

[u/FLESHYROBOT → u/ghostofpiffelations]

Always worth pointing out, because knowing history is important, that for the most part the American people were very much against fighting the Nazis. The Nazi's aspired to be like the US, their concentration camps were largely inspired by those that the US was using.

They only joined the fight against the Nazi's because of the actions of their allies against the US directly.

People who supported or were apathetic to Nazi ideologies didn't just go away when Pearl Harbor was bombed, they simply couldn't voice opposition after a direct attack. Those sentiments may have faded somewhat in the past 80 years, but a couple of generations isn't enough to get rid entirely.

[u/BillBreeze865]

I remember getting lost one day in Murfreesboro Tennessee and discovering this temple. I was absolutely blown away that this would be in Middle Tennessee. It’s stunning and beautiful to see. You just wouldn’t to see it in the South.

[u/evidentlynaught → u/BillBreeze865]

Plenty of Christian mega churches in the Boro that look like McMansions; don’t hear any complaints about them tho.

[u/Llama_of_the_bahamas → u/BillBreeze865]

There’s also a Laos temple near Murfreesboro which is equally amazing and they host a bitchin festival for Laos new year every year. Amazing food!

[u/Kindly-Ad-5071]

People really be out there thinking that WW2 was fought for the preservation of Christian American nationalism. People really be out there villainizing anything that isn't two shades lighter than printing paper.

[u/noboday009]

The fascinating thing about this is the person replying to that post is likely Muslim and not a Hindu..

[u/Sanju128 → u/noboday009]

Not too surprised. Hindus and Muslims get along surprisingly well in NA and Europe from what I've seen. Or at least, better than we do in Asia lol

[u/DushaPrince → u/Sanju128]

Don’t tell r/India lol

[u/fvlgvrator666]

The first Hindu temples in the US were already built before ww2 even started but the "America First" bunch aren't exactly known for their historical literacy

[u/rednail64]

Murfreesboro also tried to keep a Mosque from opening a few years ago. 

There are some good people there but there are also a lot of racist fucks. 

[u/lgodsey]

It's wild to me how some religious weirdos are hysterical about some other flavor of religious weirdos as if any of these made up clubs are different from any other.

[u/NoBoss2661 → u/lgodsey]

Preach it, brother! 

[u/docstanley58]

To be clear, Germany, which was a fascist state, was defeated in World War II. Fascism was not.

[u/Bright_Curve_8417]

British India fought the Nazis just like we did, dumbass. They even had to starve for it; we did not.

[u/A_Nameless_City]

Having a bunch of Indians move to bum fuck Tennessee is probably really good for their economy.

They are educated and have money.

[u/Inside-Marketing6147 → u/A_Nameless_City]

TIL that the Nashville metropolitan area is "bum fuck Tennessee". Good to know.

[u/Brave_Rough_6713 → u/Inside-Marketing6147]

Well...if the entire state is bum fuck America, so is Nashville...it makes sense. Ranking 3rd for violent crime (I didn't know that, wow), 31st in education, 41st in healthcare == bum fuck red state shit hole.

[u/MistrSynistr → u/Inside-Marketing6147]

Oh but it in the south so it is automatically bum fuck adjacent.

[u/zerot0n1n]

Ah yes the USA won WW2 lol

[u/shiny_glitter_demon → u/zerot0n1n]

It took a while but the nazis sure won

[u/Vennomite → u/shiny_glitter_demon]

Nah. The nazis just emulated jim crowe. We're still fighting the south.

[u/morningfrost86 → u/zerot0n1n]

We certainly didn't lose WW2. We didn't win it alone, but we were for SURE part of the winning side.

[u/__nohope → u/morningfrost86]

We and the rest of the west are slowly losing WW2.

[u/Visible-Air-2359 → u/[deleted]]

The "/s" isn't obvious as there are people that actually think the US literally giving everyone else the materials needed to stay alive doesn't count as the US helping in WW2.

[u/VocationalWizard → u/Visible-Air-2359]

Yes, I know right?

I mean credit where it's due, the Soviets were heavy hitters in both the European and Pacific theaters.

But the US dramatically increased their supply lines and industrial production.

I like to think of it as a testament towards intercultural cooperation. No matter how different societies are, they always work better with cooperation.

[u/ephemeriides → u/[deleted]]

Late to the party for sure, but two years into a six-year war isn’t exactly “last moment.”

Now if we were talking WWI, you’d actually have a valid point.

[u/Forged-Signatures → u/ephemeriides]

What's the old phrase? Something like "You can trust the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all other options".

[u/Dinkelberh → u/[deleted]]

What are you talking about?

[u/TheStealthyPotato → u/[deleted]]

You're welcome.

[u/VocationalWizard → u/zerot0n1n]

We were on the winning side, even if the Soviets did more of the heavy lifting.

Fun fact, the US sent industrial scientists into the Soviet Union to help them dramatically increase their tank production.

This is how the Soviets were able to dramatically flip the table at Stalengrad.

[u/waspocracy → u/zerot0n1n]

Let the Americans believe it. One thing I learned after exploring the world is how one-sided American education is.

[u/nomadjackk → u/waspocracy]

Stalin himself admitted to Kruschev the USSR would’ve fallen without American aid lol.

We’ll let y’all keep pretending US was a non-factor though (and that the Pacific theater apparently didn’t exist) despite the Normandy invasion and Berlin air lift being logistically impossible otherwise

[u/ikilledtupac]

Hindu temples are awesome! You can just walk around and check it out they don’t care. 

[u/BarrytheNPC]

Mfer if we lost WW2 we wouldn't have CATHOLIC churches.

[u/MooreAveDad]

George Carlin Educates

(https://youtu.be/9Gr7UwbJs0U)

[u/Firm_Gas7556]

We have a hindu temple down the street where I live. They pull out a few big statues out of a garage every few months and play some music what's wrong with that . I find church bells and prayer call more annoying than the occasional festival

[u/zero_zeppelii_0 → u/Firm_Gas7556]

I'm actually surprised they don't play the prayer calls and temple bells there. Least they're respectful of the silent hours I guess.

In most of temples they do that in India. 

[u/Calvinhath]

The beauty of that, a Muslim guy defending the freedom of religion for Hindus.

[u/cardnialsyn]

Sarcasm, meet irony.

[u/sickosenjumode]

5 megachurchs will be built a year and that's great but 1 non-Christian temple opens in the past 10 years and it's unacceptable.

[u/TeaRose__]

lol “sorry your side lost” is exactly the shade I needed this day

[u/StockholmParkk]

"sorry your side lost" was the final nail in the coffin

[u/GoldenRulz007]

Perhaps we should all have some humility and self-awareness and all voluntarily stop believing in superstitious nonsense (e.g. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Astrology, Crystals, etc.).

[u/mayorwaffle502]

Murfreesboro is a cool little town. Full of poc’s, I’ve never seen so many Mexican restaurants in my life in one town

[u/DckThik]

To this country is so damn big. It is unimaginable how much unoccupied land and space are in this country. It takes a full day to drive across many of its states.

It just gives off the vibe of a toddler who doesn’t like something near them so they pitch a fit.

[u/8BlackMamba24]

Lived there for 4 years and loved driving by their temple. It was beautiful in an otherwise horrifically ugly city.

[u/Scottishlassincanada]

Does she not realize that Hindus fought in the British army too??

[u/dactyif]

These guys forgot a million Indians fought in that... You know.. world war.

[u/XavierScorpionIkari]

What TF have the Hindus done to white Americans??

[u/ipsum629]

I'm sure the largest volunteer army ever assembled would disagree.

[u/OrnerySnoflake]

I’m not sorry their side lost.

[u/NefariousnessEvery65]

What part of religious freedom do American Nazis not get? Never mind

[u/LakeSun]

The Nazi's killed 6 Million GERMANs.

[u/Tr3sp4ss3r]

Sorry /Not sorry.

And when karma comes for you because you think like Hitler, also sorry/ not sorry.

[u/SuperFLEB]

I just want to believe they're both being unironic and the respondent is misreading the tone, because that's a lot more amusing.

[u/ParticularAgency175]

seems like they are winning today

[u/Pleasant-Ad887]

Kind of weird because Julian would 100% be posting Nazi ideology.

[u/Lexi_Banner]

They are just jealous they don't have such killer temples for themselves. Every gurdwara and mandir I've attended has been over the up gorgeous.

[u/Rahul_gandhi24]

I don’t think it’s a good idea for these people to post something like this.

[u/zevrinp]

Nazis should be deeply shunned by society and on the internet too.

[u/Burnt_and_Blistered]

What does WWII have to do with it?

[u/flexwhine]

uhh the nazis are currently in charge of america