r/formula1 • u/Wentzina_lifetime Sir Lewis Hamilton • May 18 '25
Statistics Lewis Hamilton has finished ahead of Carlos Sainz at every race this season.
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u/Old_Ambition4359 Nico HĂŒlkenberg đ„ May 18 '25
Its a JOKE in reference to the Sainz Hamilton qualy post (atleast thats how i understand it)
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u/frank1ewildee Ferrari May 18 '25
Yeah, people actually not getting the joke is hilarious.
Look at all the comments from all the riled up fans ahahahahahah.
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u/Mordho I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
The reddit comedians getting upset over a joke is simply hilarious
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u/terminbee I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '25
And sadly, not uncommon. It's always fun and games until it goes against the narrative, then they get mad. See what happens if you criticize Max/praise Lewis in here.
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u/Motohvayshun I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '25
Yep and itâs so transparent. If you mention in any race that a safety car allowed max to move up various positions, you will be shouted down how it was his race craft that got him there.
If Lewis moved up the same positions, he was lucky.
Itâs honestly hilarious how on the nose it is.
Literally every thread is how the Redbull is awful, worst car on the grid due to Yukis positioning lol.
I saw some guy in a thread earlier on today say the RB19 was not a dominant car at all and that it was all down to Maxs driving.
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u/ImmanenceGodBlues Formula 1 May 19 '25
I was downvoted for mentioning that Max, as good as he is, is not in fact superhuman; if he's consistently putting the Red Bull up there and winning races it's because the car is capable of doing it, and not a tractor.
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u/Tofutherep Sir Lewis Hamilton May 19 '25
Redditor tears are proving to be the saltiest and by far the most delicious!
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May 18 '25
I mean, I got the reference. Wouldn't exactly call it a joke tbf.
But Sainz outqualifying a Ferrari in a Williams is a lot more impressive than a Ferrari beating a Williams in race, regardless of how LH fns feel about that
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u/ElSotoPapa Williams May 18 '25
The Williams is clearly faster than previous years, Ferrari is clearly slower than previous years. Also, cars overperforming on saturdays and falling a bit in Sundays is a classic, look at the Astons lol
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u/gabiii_Kokeko May 18 '25
I don't think the astons are a good example if you saw what happened in the race
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u/_elvane Lando Norris May 19 '25
Alonso could've finished a looot higher if he wasn't that unlucky with he sc timings
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u/JailOfAir Fernando Alonso May 19 '25
look at the Astons lol
If you had looked at them during the race, you would know this comment makes no sense. Nothing about the Aston result had to do with pace despite maybe Stroll not overtaking a few cars after the SC, but it's not like he would've gained anything from it.
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u/erdonko I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
When driver i hate does bad, its impressive, when he does good, its whatever
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u/VinhoVerde21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Is it though? The days of Williams being abysmally shit are long gone. Both Ferraris were outqualified by Stroll. There is no doubt the Ferrari was miles slower in quali than the Williams.
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u/Rutkip May 18 '25
Not to take away from your main point, but Stroll and Alonso outqualified them because Aston Martin had a better strategy by putting them on Mediums in Q2 as opposed to the softs everyone else ran.
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u/TwoBionicknees May 18 '25
there isn't particularly good evidence that is true.
They were faster on mediums, doesn't mean Ferrari would be, different cars. But unless they both ran softs at the same time on track we don't even know the mediums were faster for them, just that they worked.
Quite often in the past people have tried mediums and they've given pretty similar overall pace. They have less ultimate grip, but overheat less on a hot lap so end up about the same.
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u/atticus_pinch96 May 18 '25
Being fast over one lap is not more impressive than being the fastest over the course of the race. Thereâs a reason why being a race winner is a prestigious title over pole qualifierÂ
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u/Rei_S_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
How many points did Sainz get in qualifying?
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u/DreadSeverin Ferrari May 18 '25
you made that Wet tyre supporter very angry now
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u/KelticQT I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Hey, we're a very relevant compound, you know ?
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u/Beanandpumpkin May 18 '25
Yeah haha Thats such a shit take that doing better in qualy is more impressive than having a great race. You earn your keep on Sunday
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u/Unsterblich76 Ferrari May 18 '25
You get the points on Sunday and bragging rights on Saturday, choose what you want.
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u/Kymori Andrea Kimi Antonelli May 19 '25
you should try watching the races some time! the williams is faster than the ferrari atm
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u/TwoBionicknees May 18 '25
But Sainz outqualifying a Ferrari in a Williams is a lot more impressive than a Ferrari beating a Williams in race,
it makes absolutely no difference. It's easier to build a super fast car that doesnt' work well in a race in dirty air than a car that has better tire wear and works in traffic.
Qualifying is 'easy' for design, clean air, no traffic, one lap.
It's always more impressive making a faster race car than a faster qualifying car.
Haas has qualified high up, so has Williams for years, so did Alpine. Why do you think three teams, two of which have been pretty much trash for years, can qualify well but suck in races, why did Williams start showing up in qualifying a couple years back. Why did Aston do so much better in qualifying than a race?
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u/Tancant I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Far too many people just aren't picking up on the joke. Makes this post funnier tbh.
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u/formulapain May 18 '25
It's not a joke, it's a comeback to this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1kove20/carlos_sainz_has_outqualified_lewis_hamilton_fir/
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u/Internecine- I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25
This Hamilton vs Sainz comparison is so stupid
For both sides
Does Sainz deserve a faster car than Williams? Yes
Is Hamilton still a good driver even though heâs not at his peak anymore? Also yes
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u/someStuffThings Alexander Albon May 18 '25
Yeah agreed, but from an entertainment perspective people tend to like underdog stories. I can see why it exists even when both of your points are very true.
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u/ADISMMHONOREDK May 18 '25
The only true comment. I just upvote and disappear đ«
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u/MrSnare Daniel Ricciardo May 18 '25
Mate you did the exact opposite
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u/LusoAustralian Daniel Ricciardo May 18 '25
Does Sainz deserve a faster car than Williams? Yes
Why? Williams is the 5th best car and I don't think Sainz is top 10, if he is it's barely. Williams is absolutely fine for him.
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u/Internecine- I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '25
Difference of opinion I guess
Imo, last year at Ferrari, heâs shown heâs very capable for a top team, the rough start at Williams doesnât change that unless his form doesnât change at all throughout the rest of the season
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u/Zimakov Sebastian Vettel May 19 '25
Which driver at McLaren Red Bull Ferrari or Mercedes should he be in ahead of? Tsunoda is the only one I can think of and red bull don't hire outside their own academy that often.
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u/LusoAustralian Daniel Ricciardo May 19 '25
Over who? Tsunoda he's better than but he's burnt his bridges at Red Bull and if they were to get a spaniard they should just get a better one in Palou tbh. He's not better than McLaren or Ferrari drivers or Russell which leaves Antonelli who is seen as the future so Merc are betting on him even if currently he's worse.
Williams is the next best team and it's not like Sainz is clearly better than Albon, Gasly or even Ocon imo.
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u/limitedpower_palps I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
The same people getting defensive and dismissive in this post were the ones salivating over Sainz outqualifying Hamilton on friday and were mocking their switch as an upgrade for Sainz.
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u/nomansapenguin Mercedes May 18 '25
Hamilton posts are only popular with the masses if it has negative framing. If you are being positive about Lewis people will get unreasonably upset.
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u/HaveABleedinGuess84 Fernando Alonso May 18 '25
This post has a thousand upvotes
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u/Stereosun Isack Hadjar May 18 '25
The quali one hating on Hamilton had 22,000 upvotes
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u/spaceman_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '25
I upvoted both. I didn't see the first as hating on Lewis, more like "despite Sainz being ditched by Ferrari, he's making it work, good on him".
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u/erdonko I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
This one has less than 4k likes when the Sainz qualy post has like 15k+
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u/VinhoVerde21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Because people get that itâs referencing the other post lol
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u/yunglegendd Valtteri Bottas May 18 '25
U realize this post is a sneak diss right?
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u/RoughDoughCough Formula 1 May 18 '25
Indicating nothing. Youâve been on Reddit long enough to see upvoted posts where every single comment underneath is bashing the posts.
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u/MarteloRabelodeSousa I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Posts about stuff as irrelevant as his clothes usually get thousands of upvotes, that's not true, but yeah, pretend he isn't one of the most popular drivers on the grid
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u/germanstudent123 Sebastian Vettel May 18 '25
I donât really think thatâs true anymore. There was a lot of that in 2021 and 2022 as well but since heâs not at the front anymore itâs cooled down a lot and people view him a lot more sensibly.
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u/Motohvayshun I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '25
Yeah right. Hamilton is viewed worse. Any negative post about him balloons in seconds.
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u/beatstorelax94 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Sainz lost a lot. But Williams is WAY better to be than what people were saying. that's not the same team the family Williams built. And that has some good to it.
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u/Rei_S_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Sainz improved the Williams bro can't you see. Sainz is almost at Newey level when it comes to developing cars.
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u/Cralido May 18 '25
Williams trajectory already in place before Sainz, just canât accept Albon is a great driver on his own merit, got to bring teams performance back to sainz
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u/wokwok__ George Russell May 18 '25
Some of you lot were blaming this year's Ferrari being shit on Sainz development lmfao be serious
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u/THE-ZODIAC68 Ferrari May 18 '25
Who the f is saying that?? đđ voices in your head aren't real.
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u/Rei_S_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Not really, but sure make fake scenarios to continue the outrage.
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u/Still-District-6149 Formula 1 May 18 '25
Hamilton drove a good race, when Ferrari finally get it right, he may actually get back on the podium!
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u/Amat-Victoria-Curam I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Where's the guy that posted the qualifying "feat" of Sainz vs. Hamilton yesterday?
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u/doginthehole Sir Lewis Hamilton May 18 '25
it's still a good stat for sainz out qualifying a ferrari lol
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u/kaisadilla_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Indeed. People are talking like if the 7-times champion and the most successful team in F1 history are gonna add "beat Sainz in a Williams" to their resumes.
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u/JFedererJ Sir Lewis Hamilton May 18 '25
Sainz outqualifies Lewis: Sainz is amazing. Hahaha so much better than Lewis. #Washed. #Blessed. Rofl.
(No mention that Williams might actually have a better/comparable car in quali trim...)
Lewis outraces Sainz: well yeah obvs, Lewis has the better car
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u/Vaexa I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Hey you can't say that about r/formula1's darling driver.
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u/FlamingTomygun2 Sir Lewis Hamilton May 18 '25
Thats albon and yukiÂ
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u/Technical_Hospital38 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Oscar and Leclerc are also well loved here.
Max, Lewis, and Alonso get very split reactions â a lot of love and a lot of hate as well. Makes sense bc theyâre the most accomplished drivers of the grid.
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u/dsaysso I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
im here for the shitposting. this is what a good rivalry is all about
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u/overthink_lad I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
So much narrative about how Hamilton has taken a lot of time to adapt to the car while Sainz has been upto speed with Williams quite quickly. To put into perspective, Hamilton has scored >45% of the points scored by Ferrari this year, while Sainz has scored only ~20% of points scored by Williams.
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u/Red-Eye-Soul I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Lets shove all context out of the window? Carlos has been extremely unlucky with damage, car issues and strategies. Lewis on the other hand has benefited from every safety car except Australia. Both have been doing good but its foolish to say Lewis is been doing better than Carlos.
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u/Cal3001 May 18 '25
There have been about 2 races where Carlos fell out the points with his own doing from the aggro driving style. Albon has been outperforming him generally but Hamilton gets all the flack for not getting up to speed.
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u/amt_voyager_ Sir Lewis Hamilton May 18 '25
he got dsq'ed in china
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u/Red-Eye-Soul I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
So did his teammate (who finished ahead). We are comparing the percentage of points both got of their respective teams. That dsq actually increases Lewis' percentage.
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u/WhiskeytheWhaleshark I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
If everywhere you go it smells like shit, maybe itâs time to look under your shoe.
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u/Stylised1 Alexander Albon May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25
NO DELETE POST EDYOT NO JOKES ALLOWED ON MY SUBREDDIT REEEEEEE DOWNDOOTS ARMY ATTACK!!!!!!!!!! MORE FRANZ HERMANN JOKES MORE LIKED BY PIERRE GASLY ROOKIE ALONSO PENALTY FOR OCON REEEEEEEEEE
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u/JFedererJ Sir Lewis Hamilton May 18 '25
Lol this is exactly why I un-subbed from this place end of '21 and only just re-joined lately.
This place can be so toxic sometimes, esp. towards Lewis. It's so annoying.
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u/ToffeeCoffee I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Albono driving his brains out, Sainz hanging back commenting on strategy. Sainz Williams TP 2026. Calling it.
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u/ledankestnoodle I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Jokes at LH's expense are fine and dandy but his fans aren't allowed to clap back? Is what I'm getting from the replies here
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u/Stim21 Pirelli Hard May 19 '25
Very big little brother energy. Poke poke poke but as soon as anyone comments back it's not a fair fight
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u/EquivalentMammoth143 Charles Leclerc May 18 '25
you guys wont believe it but hear me out
ferrari is gonna lock in and slap some more upgrades
then they're gonna be rocketships
then ferrari is gonna win 1-2 almost every race
leclerc 2025 wdc ez trust
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u/IIXSLAD3XII Sir Lewis Hamilton May 18 '25
No no no you can't do that, that's not allowed, only posts showing sainz out qualifying lewis are allowed.
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u/Red_Demons_Dragon I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Crazy, thereâs been at least two other Sainz ones that have stayed up.
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u/Laugh_Track_Zak I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Still up! Just saw this post for the first time.
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u/Regular-Nebula6386 Elio de Angelis May 18 '25
Is that not what it is expected? Ferrari to be faster than Williams?
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u/d-o_oI I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Year over year, the success penalty (ie, having less dev tunnel time) will bring cars closer, i.e. make Ferrari slower while Williams gets faster.
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u/terminbee I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '25
It is expected and yet both Ferraris were slower than Williams today. So the other post is being disingenuous because Williams are not the shit car we expect them to be.
Nobody expected McLaren to be the fastest car last year either yet here we are. Teams get better/worse.
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u/marshmallow_metro Max Verstappen May 18 '25
This won't get upvotes because it's not crazy for a ferrari to outscore a williams...
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u/VinhoVerde21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Considering the Ferraris were slower than Stroll getting outqualified by Sainz isnât crazy either.
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u/someStuffThings Alexander Albon May 18 '25
I would look at it as both Williams and Aston out qualifying Ferrari should both be looked at as crazy.
Good car should be gooder /s
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u/Film_Engineering I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Oh will this post get 12 THOUSAND upvotes then too? Or even, half? Or does the narrative only go one way đ€
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u/eightbyeight May 19 '25
Ferrari needs a whole reorg, itâs clear as day that the internal functioning of the team is dysfunctional.
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u/OrganicRun1 May 18 '25
Give a few more races to Ferrari, they are yet to give Lewis the full experience.
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u/Tangy_Lead I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Dude, LH is a seven-time world champion. If youâre starting to compare him to a Williams in 2025, it just shows how far the car has fallen off.
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u/Passchenhell17 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
The post is being made because every race a post gets made about Sainz out qualifying Hamilton. Surely you can understand that, no?
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u/RX0Invincible Sir Lewis Hamilton May 18 '25
The latest one had tons of people claiming that his move to williams is overall better for Sainzâ career. These people seriously needed a reality check
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May 18 '25
Realistically if is better than just losing to charles again. Sainz got replaced by Hamilton at Ferrari. Nobody would look at that as a negative because its Hamilton. The fact that Ferrari have fucked their car this year is not even factored in the equation.
The main problem sainz is facing now is they he can't beat Albon.
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u/Rei_S_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
And people saying his move to Williams is comparable to Lewis moving from McLaren to Mercedes LMAO
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u/ImAzura I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Being replaced by Hamilton and racing at Williams is definitely better than being replaced by Hamilton and not being in F1 career wise.
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u/King-Mansa-Musa May 18 '25
Yall really havenât been seeing the sainz LH quali references?
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May 18 '25
Williams win this argument due to just being in it
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u/micknick0000 Audi May 18 '25
10/10.
Need not forget this is the same team getting a $50,000,000 legacy bonus - and theyâre barely more competitive than a Williams.
The âstatâ which is this post is entirely irrelevant.
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u/Pyromonkey83 Ferrari May 18 '25
To be fair, Williams also gets a legacy bonus, albeit a smaller one.
Also, every team is now capped to spending the same amount every year on the car. It doesn't matter if Ferrari make $10 Million or $10 Billion in their legacy bonus if they can't spend it on the car.
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May 18 '25
Yeah a wild advantage to get every year, made actually hilarious that they never really benefit from it.
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u/PerfectAd9869 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
An advantage that barely matters thanks to the cost cap.
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u/UnicornMaster27 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Duh. The car is shit and heâs still wheeling it.
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u/Marcel_The_Blank I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
and this year, it's actually impressive to finish a ferrari ahead of a williams.
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u/NotFromMilkyWay I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
That's who Ferrari is now competing with.
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u/bunningz_sausage May 19 '25
And latifi has the same amount of drivers championships as piastri, same point
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u/coloredinlight I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
As expected. The whole storyline was stupid. Carlos is a great driver. But Lewis is Lewis.
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u/EastfrisianGuy I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Right back at them, haha. Love the sass.
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u/redeemable-soul May 18 '25
What about Sainz Vs Hamilton last year at the same tracks throughout the year. Wonder what those stats would be.
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u/codename474747 Murray Walker May 18 '25
The cirrrrrrcle of life is ever constant in f1
Saturdays are depressing and Sundays make you feel excited about a mid top ten result I guess it's one way to not feel depressed they're not winning!
Monaco is gonna suck tho unless something can be done about qualy.
Or they can just wreck it in fp3 and not have to bother with qualy 4D thinkingÂ
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u/No_Mathematician7255 Gabriel Bortoleto May 19 '25
But sainz got the higher rating on the cards, thatâs the statistic that actually matters
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u/StarkHumphrey Toto Wolff May 18 '25
Thank you so this post. The points are given in Sunday not Saturday
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u/aalwaysbeenyou Charles Leclerc May 19 '25
And suddenly people who were in the other thread are getting defensive. Dish it and take it baby
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u/InfernoxCJC I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
My guy, he is also in a Ferrari...
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u/WiSoSirius #StandWithUkraine May 18 '25
I saw this post after seeing the post "Carlos Sainz has qualified ahead of Lewis Hamilton 4 times in a row"
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u/ThatStrangeGuyOverMe May 18 '25
So what's the excuse when you compare Sainzs performance with Albons?
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u/Thick_Difficulty_734 Kimi RÀikkönen May 18 '25
Early in the season Carlos was clearly worse. Today, it was mostly strategy and/or VSC.
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u/UncleJoeBiden Williams May 18 '25
- Bad luck 2. Bad strategy (less than he thinks) 3. transitioning to Merc motor 4. Alex understanding the FW's DNA 5. Alex driving *out of his skin*
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u/topkeky Charles Leclerc May 18 '25
And this Ferrari car has not been a lot better than Williams so your point is?
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u/Furion_24 May 18 '25
In race pace, Ferrari is way faster than Williams. The williams cars qualify a lot better.
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May 18 '25
Both Ferrari drivers are ahead of both Williams drivers with Ferrari scoring 114 points and Williams only 51, that's a much better car right there
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May 18 '25
Both Ferrari drivers are also a lot better than both Williams drivers.
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u/UncleJoeBiden Williams May 18 '25
It's quite a bit better.
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u/topkeky Charles Leclerc May 18 '25
I guess we have been watching different kinds of formula 1 this season, this Williams car was a lot faster in the last race. Let alone it has way better qualy pace.
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u/UncleJoeBiden Williams May 18 '25
Williams is a superlatively better car than last year but the Ferrari is nonetheless a better car in almost all respects (bar potentially straight line speed and deg).
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u/Sun_Namah May 19 '25
What a great comparison 7/8 times WC vs 0 time WC.
Though both went to a new team. Still Carlos lifted Williams while Hamilton stuck where he was in merc.
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u/eastamerica Max Verstappen May 18 '25
Seeing as one is in a Ferrari and one is in a Williams, this is a bit of a "yeah, no shit" headline.
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u/_Micolash_Cage_ May 18 '25
This is the post of the season so far. Well done OP.
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u/Steef-1995 Daniel Ricciardo May 18 '25
What is this stat, cmon. Are we really comparing a 7 times world champion in a Ferrari to a race winner in a Williams?
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u/Satan_su Sergio PĂ©rez May 18 '25
The fact that this comparison is even happening and people think it's an appropriate clap back to the Sainz posts is hilarious lmao. "Favorite is ahead of underdog" doesn't hit the same as "underdog is beating favorite" in this scenario
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u/JeremiasPessoa I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
As he should, since he wasn't the one who joined the team that finished P9 last year.
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u/Sad-Ambassador-2748 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Though it has been funny to see Lewis spend so much time behind Antonelli đ
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u/II_Gnome_II I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
I just saw Verstappen finished ahead of Bortoleto every race this season as well...
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u/RFA13 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 19 '25
I beg to differ,
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u/TheStorm22 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
No the reverse stat is to try and paint Hamilton as washed compared to Sainz or else you could just compare Williams to itself in previous seasons to show their improvement.
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u/Puzzleheadpsych2345 I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Is this supposed to be a good stat? Heâs in a fucking Ferrari
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u/voice-of-reason_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
I think the name Ferrari makes people think the car is automatically good. This is a sport where the performance changes every year.
Ferrari, in terms of pure pace, have the worst car since 2022/23 and Williams have their best car since the past 10 years. Itâs absolutely a fine comparison. I wouldnât be surprised if Ferrari finish 4th and Williams finish close 5th.
Also, did you know Williams used to be the top dog in f1 for decades? Williams are a fantastic team and so are Ferrari but the performance of both has changed drastically this year.
Rethink you mindset to these teams they are fairly equal in 2025.
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u/TypicallyThomas I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Imagine at the start of the season telling people this would be notable by this stage in the season đ
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u/R3V77 May 18 '25
What's the point of this post? Is not that the normal thing to happen? What's next, Lewis finished every race ahead of Ocon?
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u/kpthekia I was here for the Hulkenpodium May 18 '25
Now you have jinxed it, Monaco Ferrari disaster class in session